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Hell's Compartments: Then, Now, and In the Future.

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Hell is the place souls go that are without bodies.

There were two compartments in Hell. One for those who are tormented and destined to be judged and another for those who were comforted and waiting for their redemption. When Jesus descended at his death he went to the prison of Hell. Those in prison that he preached to were not in rebellion to God but only "sometime were disobedient". They were sinners that believed in God and were waiting for the redemption so that they could be saved by Christ. The faithful of old, from before the crucifixion, were led captive from the captivity of the grave.

Today there is now only one compartment for the rebellious because the debt has been paid and the faithful disobedient no longer go to Abraham's in prison but to be with the Lord in Heaven.

One day their will be no Hell all will be resurrected in body and those who are not already in Christ will stand before God to be judged. 

Luke 16:22-23 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham’s bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; 23 and in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

Hebrews 11:13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.

Luke 23:39-43 And one of the malefactors which were hanged railed on him, saying, If thou be Christ, save thyself and us. 40 But the other answering rebuked him, saying, Dost not thou fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation? 41 And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss. 42 And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom. 43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.


Matthew 27:50-53 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost. 51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent; 52 and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, 53 and came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

Psalm 68:18 Thou hast ascended on high, thou hast led captivity captive: thou hast received gifts for men; yea, for the rebellious also, that the Lord God might dwell among them.9 Blessed be the Lord, who daily loadeth us with benefits, even the God of our salvation. Selah.

Ephesians 4:7-10 But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ. 8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. 9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? 10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)

1 Peter 3:18-22 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: 19 by which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; 20 which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. 21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ: 22 who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.

2 Corinthians 5:7-8 (for we walk by faith, not by sight:) 8 we are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

Romans 8:22-24 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now. 23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body. 24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?

Daniel 12:2-3 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. 3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.

Revelation 20:11-15 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

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3 hours ago, John Young said:

Daniel 12:2-3 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. 3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.

 

3 hours ago, John Young said:

Luke 16:22-23 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham’s bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; 23 and in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

John Young,

Thanks. :) Your lesson is a good reminder for us to be more zealous in our soul winning efforts. 

Alan

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On 9/17/2016 at 3:51 AM, John Young said:

There were two compartments in Hell.

I'm not entirely convinced of this. The phrase 'afar off' could mean as far as Heaven is from Hell.

I believe this type of 'separation' is alluded to here...

Luke 16:26
"And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence."

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On 9/17/2016 at 3:51 AM, John Young said:

Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?

Why can't this simply refer to Mary's Womb?

I offer this as reference...

Psalms 139:15
"My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth"

The phrase 'Lowest parts of the Earth' is clearly referring to a Mother's belly during pregnancy.

Even the word 'Pit' refers to the Womb...

Isaiah 51:1
"Hearken to me, ye that follow after righteousness, ye that seek the LORD: look unto the rock whence ye are hewn, and to the hole of the pit whence ye are digged"

Look at the word 'first' in the verse. What was the first thing Jesus did when he came to Earth?

He descended into Mary's Womb to become born.

Simple and beautiful.

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6 hours ago, MJW said:

I'm not entirely convinced of this. The phrase 'afar off' could mean as far as Heaven is from Hell.

I believe this type of 'separation' is alluded to here...

Luke 16:26
"And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence."

Heaven and hell are indeed far off from each other, but I don’t believe you can see one from the other. 

The old testament saints could not to heaven until the sacrifice for their sins – Christ – had been completed.  Their souls had to go somewhere. If not Hades, then where?

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They obviously saw each other in OT times, and even were able to communicate on at least one occasion - according to Jesus in Luke 16 - though there was a great uncrossable gulf between the two places.

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Hi Jerry and Salyan.

Have either of you ever had a dream that was so real, it was as if you were in a different place altogether?

How about a nightmare?

When having a dream or nightmare, we often have 'visions' of places and events. They seem physical, yet... it's a bit of a mystery how it all works.

You folks obviously know there are many verses referring to the dead as 'sleeping'...

Ephesians 5:14
"Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light"

The point I'm making is that I believe when the dead are sleeping, they are dreaming. The main difference between them and us is they no longer have a body to wake up into... at least not until Resurrection Day.

The Rich Man, being in Hell, was having a nightmare.

Lazarus, being in Abraham's Bosom, was having a pleasant dream.

Somehow, the two are able to interact. Again, this shouldn't be too hard to imagine since we've all had dreams where it was as if we interacted with other people and other worlds.

Yet, there is no way we can pass from our bed to these other places.

I hope that makes sense.

As a side note, we often hear that the 'dead know nothing'...

Ecclesiastes 9:5
"For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten"

People interpret that as if the dead have no consciousness outside of the body. What they do not understand is that the living know nothing either...

Job 8:9
(For we are but of yesterday, and know nothing, because our days upon earth are a shadow:)

That's another topic I suppose.

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Context, context, context. The Bible does not teach any kind of soul sleep or unconsciousness of the dead. They are conscious - just not aware of what is going on i the world after they have departed it. The context of Ecclesiastes 9:5 and Job 14:21 show that. Job 8:9 is not even referring to what believe think or are aware of after death.

Sad - you claim to believe the King James Bible, but post in various threads in such a manner as to explain it away.

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50 minutes ago, Jerry said:

Context, context, context. The Bible does not teach any kind of soul sleep or unconsciousness of the dead. They are conscious - just not aware of what is going on i the world after they have departed it. The context of Ecclesiastes 9:5 and Job 14:21 show that. Job 8:9 is not even referring to what believe think or are aware of after death.

Sad - you claim to believe the King James Bible, but post in various threads in such a manner as to explain it away.

What is sad is that, not only did you not comprehend what I wrote, but you bore false witness against me.

Nowhere did I mention 'Soul Sleep' or say that the dead are not conscious... quite the opposite actually.

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Fascinating verses about communication in a dream state...

Job 33:14-15
"For God speaketh once, yea twice, yet man perceiveth it not"
"In a dream, in a vision of the night, when deep sleep falleth upon men, in slumberings upon the bed"

and...

Genesis 31:11
"And the angel of God spake unto me in a dream, saying, Jacob: And I said, Here am I"

or...

Genesis 20:3
"But God came to Abimelech in a dream by night, and said to him, Behold, thou art but a dead man, for the woman which thou hast taken; for she is a man’s wife"

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16 hours ago, MJW said:

Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?

Why can't this simply refer to Mary's Womb?

I offer this as reference...

Psalms 139:15 "My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth"

The phrase 'Lowest parts of the Earth' is clearly referring to a Mother's belly during pregnancy.

Even the word 'Pit' refers to the Womb...

Isaiah 51:1 "Hearken to me, ye that follow after righteousness, ye that seek the LORD: look unto the rock whence ye are hewn, and to the hole of the pit whence ye are digged"

Look at the word 'first' in the verse. What was the first thing Jesus did when he came to Earth?

He descended into Mary's Womb to become born.

Simple and beautiful.

Because nowhere in the text does it say its referring figuratively to the womb and neither do your referenced verses. It simply is not a metaphorical passage but a describing actual literal actions taken by Christ. Apostle Paul is not making poetry about Christ physical birth but rather contrasting literal actions that Christ took as his Death Burial and Resurrection.

As to Psalms 139:15 David is not referring to his formation in the womb but rather to his "substance". His elements in the earth formed by God long before he was conceived that would one day make up his body. Psalm 139:16 Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and in thy book all my members were written, which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet there was none of themAs to Isaiah 51:1 that is a figurative allusion, but not of a womb, but of a rock quarry.

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17 hours ago, MJW said:

Why can't this simply refer to Mary's Womb?

 

That was your reply/response/question to John's following quotation...

 

On 9/17/2016 at 6:51 AM, John Young said:

9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?

 

Why can't it simply refer to Mary's womb? It can't, because it's referring to the fact that BEFORE Christ ascended to heaven, he first descended into the lower parts of the earth to set free those who were kept in Abraham's bosom.

17 hours ago, MJW said:

I offer this as reference...

Psalms 139:15
"My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth"

The phrase 'Lowest parts of the Earth' is clearly referring to a Mother's belly during pregnancy.

 

No it isn't. You may want to do a word study on what all "the lowest parts of the earth" can (and does) refer to. However, I will tell you this...not once does "womb" get mentioned.

 

17 hours ago, MJW said:

Even the word 'Pit' refers to the Womb...

Isaiah 51:1
"Hearken to me, ye that follow after righteousness, ye that seek the LORD: look unto the rock whence ye are hewn, and to the hole of the pit whence ye are digged"

 

No it doesn't. The word "pit" refers to the current situation that they had "dug themselves into". They were in a bad situation due to their rebelliousness. They had dug themselves into a pit. Read the previous chapter, and you'll clearly see why it refers to their situation and NOT to a mother's womb.

 

8 hours ago, MJW said:

You folks obviously know there are many verses referring to the dead as 'sleeping'...

Ephesians 5:14
"Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light"

 

That has nothing to do with physical sleep, nor does it have anything to do with physical death...both are referring to spiritual truths. The lost are "asleep" in their lack of concern for salvation...they are dead in their trespasses and sins. However, Christ will give them light if they will see their situation and turn to the truth of the gospel.

Let me ask you a question. When the Bible says that Christ is the cornerstone of the church, does that mean that he's literally a large stone that was set as the corner of a building?

 

9 hours ago, MJW said:

As a side note, we often hear that the 'dead know nothing'...

Ecclesiastes 9:5
"For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten"

People interpret that as if the dead have no consciousness outside of the body. What they do not understand is that the living know nothing either...

 

Jerry has already answered you on this, but I would like to ask you to read the next two verses. They explain what is meant by "the dead knowing nothing"...which Jerry explained.

 

9 hours ago, MJW said:

Job 8:9
(For we are but of yesterday, and know nothing, because our days upon earth are a shadow:)

 

The clue to what this verse means is...in the verse itself. You should have underlined and emboldened the word "because"...because there's the meaning. Due to the fact that our life span on earth is like a shadow, we know "nothing". Read the previous verses and following verses. Job is imploring to seek wisdom from the fathers. 

 

6 hours ago, MJW said:

Fascinating verses about communication in a dream state...

Job 33:14-15
"For God speaketh once, yea twice, yet man perceiveth it not"
"In a dream, in a vision of the night, when deep sleep falleth upon men, in slumberings upon the bed"

and...

Genesis 31:11
"And the angel of God spake unto me in a dream, saying, Jacob: And I said, Here am I"

or...

Genesis 20:3
"But God came to Abimelech in a dream by night, and said to him, Behold, thou art but a dead man, for the woman which thou hast taken; for she is a man’s wife"

 

It is fascinating; on that, I can agree. However, those are all Old Testament passages which show how God spoke to men at times back then. 

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3 hours ago, No Nicolaitans said:

It can't, because it's referring to the fact that BEFORE Christ ascended to heaven, he first descended into the lower parts of the earth to set free those who were kept in Abraham's bosom.

Right...

In other words, Abraham was this evil tyrant who kept prisoners in his bosom. Jesus had to rescue them.

Lol... this is another interpretation I completely disagree with.

I see many of you don't even bother to see how much twisting of Scripture had to be done to come up with that one.

Seriously... meditate on what you are saying.

BTW...

Everything that is being posted here are merely opinions. We are all entitled to them.

Romans 3:4
"God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged"

If you folks think Sleep and Dreams have nothing to do with each other, hey that's your business.

I think they do. When the Word of God says the dead sleep, I believe it.

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3 hours ago, John Young said:

As to Psalms 139:15 David is not referring to his formation in the womb but rather to his "substance". His elements in the earth formed by God long before he was conceived that would one day make up his body. Psalm 139:16 Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and in thy book all my members were written, which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet there was none of themAs to Isaiah 51:1 that is a figurative allusion, but not of a womb, but of a rock quarry.

Such denial I see in this thread. Seems many of you are offended by the Word of God.

To take such a beautiful notion of a baby forming in the womb and dumbing it all down and stripping it of any creative process is telling.

All because the idea of Hell being related to the Womb are offensive to you. Thus a great effort is made to change this into something palatable.

We aren't talking 'elements formed long ago', we are talking about the formation of a Human Being...

WROUGHT, pret. and pp. of work. raut.

1. Worked; formed by work or labor; as wrought iron.

BTW...

The Book is DNA.

Long before Man discovered that DNA was a book in which all of our Members are written, the Bible had it all laid out in specific detail...

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7 hours ago, HappyChristian said:

Sorry, but Jesus didn't say, "And, as he slept..."

So Jesus never said the dead are sleeping?

Uh, OK?

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5 hours ago, DaveW said:

The KJV has absolutely no indication that the account of the rich man and Lazarus was a dream in any way. It is stated as a factual, real event experienced personally by these two men.

These two notions are not mutually exclusive.

Again, the dead are sleeping.

Sleeping implies dreaming.

3 hours ago, John Young said:

Because nowhere in the text does it say its referring figuratively to the womb...

Nowhere in the Bible does it say "There were two compartments in Hell".

See? I can play that game too.

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2 minutes ago, MJW said:

These two notions are not mutually exclusive.

Again, the dead are sleeping.

Sleeping implies dreaming.

Aaaahhhh- actually they are in this case.

There is ABSOLUTELY no reason to suggest the rich man nor Lazarus was either asleep or dreaming in the passage.

This a concept that you have entirely imposed onto the passage, for it is not found in the passage.

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3 hours ago, No Nicolaitans said:

No it isn't. You may want to do a word study on what all "the lowest parts of the earth" can (and does) refer to. However, I will tell you this...not once does "womb" get mentioned.

John 8:23
"And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world"

Oh look. We come from 'beneath'.

I know, I know. I'm not allowed to take that verse literal because it's too uncomfortable to think about right?

So let's here everyone's version of "a better translation would have been".

Or how about "what Jesus really meant to say was".

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I wonder, since you have been back on here at half an hour if you wouldn't mind answering my question in your intro please?

I am interested in the answers there.

Thanks.

2 minutes ago, MJW said:

John 8:23
"And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world"

Oh look. We come from 'beneath'.

I know, I know. I'm not allowed to take that verse literal because it's too uncomfortable to think about right?

So let's here everyone's version of "a better translation would have been".

Or how about "what Jesus really meant to say was".

Can I just say, personally your attitude doesn't seem great. You are using language which is not respectful and which has an aggressive tone to it.

Can I suggest that you tone it back and speak with a little more reserve and respect?

 

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3 hours ago, No Nicolaitans said:

Jerry has already answered you on this, but I would like to ask you to read the next two verses. They explain what is meant by "the dead knowing nothing"...which Jerry explained.

His explanation was false in my humble opinion.

Both dead and alive 'know nothing' which means this is not about worldly affairs.

It's about all being ignorant until the Day of the Lord comes.

Do you know what the word Shadow means in Scripture?

Hint...

Hebrews 8:5
"Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount"

It is a three dimensional representation of a fourth dimensional construct.

New Jerusalem is in the shape of a Tessaract BTW...

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30 minutes ago, MJW said:

Right...

In other words, Abraham was this evil tyrant who kept prisoners in his bosom. Jesus had to rescue them..

What?? That is a ridiculous suggestion to make. I know you’re trying to make a (wrong) point,  but please don’t butcher interpretation on purpose.

Abraham was one of the righteous dead. If our interpretation is correct, then he too had to wait for Jesus’ work of salvation to be complete in order to go to heaven. That means he was waiting in Hades too.  

Abraham is referenced in the Bible as being the father of those that believe through faith. As such, and especially as that period of waiting took place when his descendants the Jews were the vast majority of the righteous dead,  it makes sense that he would be referred to with a position of… Leadership? honor?  Either could be implied by that reference. 

Finally, whenever the Bible refers to someone’s bosom in that way, it’s always talking of a place of care and protection - never of captivity. 

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5 minutes ago, DaveW said:

I wonder, since you have been back on here at half an hour if you wouldn't mind answering my question in your intro please?

I am interested in the answers there.

Thanks.

Can I just say, personally your attitude doesn't seem great. You are using language which is not respectful and which has an aggressive tone to it.

Can I suggest that you tone it back and speak with a little more reserve and respect?

 

Sorry Dave! I apologize if I sound aggressive. I really have no ego or axes to grind.

I hesitate to give out personal info because there is very high chance many will use it against me.

But if I must...

My favorite Pastors are Michael Hoggard and Charles Lawson.

I go to their online Church almost on a daily basis and listen to every sermon I can get my hands on.

Unfortunately, as far as a 'brick and mortar' facility is concerned, it's slim pickings where I live.

Most Churches don't use the KJV and corruption is at a high level.

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29 minutes ago, MJW said:

Right...

In other words, Abraham was this evil tyrant who kept prisoners in his bosom.

Didn't "someone" here have a nervous-jerkdown and whine about someone bearing false-witness against him? Yet, you wrongly accuse me by insinuating my words allude to this silliness? 

 

25 minutes ago, MJW said:

The Book is DNA.

Long before Man discovered that DNA was a book in which all of our Members are written, the Bible had it all laid out in specific detail...

How about an actual link to the book and author so that we can see where you're deriving your information.

Are you a Jehovah's Witness or Seventh Day Adventist?

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6 minutes ago, Salyan said:

Finally, whenever the Bible refers to someone’s bosom in that way, it’s always talking of a place of care and protection - never of captivity. 

I completely agree. This is the point I'm making.

So I guess my question is, why is the phrase 'led captivity captive' being interpreted as being captive in Abraham's Bosom here in this thread?

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      As usual, the position of the lieberals in this debate finds no support whatsoever in the Scriptures. The Bible is clear - EVERYONE who has not accepted Jesus as their Lord and Saviour by the time they die goes straight to the fiery bowels of hell, no exceptions and NO EXCUSES.

      Relative to the argument that babies do not go to hell is the false belief that babies and infants are innocent, because they are not old enough to sin. This is utter nonsense. Central to the teachings of Christianity is the proposition that the guilt of Adam derived from the original sin is passed down through the blood through each generation (Genesis 5:3). Our ancestor was Adam - He rebelled against God. That's enough. Since the fall, we are guilty for even existing. You don't know much about Christian theology if you don't know that.
      It is not a matter of choosing to rebel against God when we are old enough to drink and drive. If it was a choice entirely dependent on free will, then chances are some people would choose not to rebel. It would probably work out about 50/50. But the Bible says that the whole human race, every individual who has ever lived and ever will live deserves to go to hell (and that even includes you, my esteemed fellow true Christians). As the theologian John Calvin demonstrated, there is nothing whatsoever that we can do by our own free will to get saved. Nothing! The only way to get saved is to get Grace, and you can only get Grace if God decides to give it to you. The sign of having Grace is a compulsion within your heart to accept Jesus and a miraculous ability to believe in every word of the Bible (have you ever tried to FORCE yourself to believe in something? Hold a gun to someone's head and demand they believe that the earth is flat, or that unicorns exist. It is impossible - no matter how hard the person tries. Belief is NOT subject to will power).

      We are ALL tainted with sin from the moment of conception (Psalms 24:4) and we need the cleansing blood of Jesus Christ to wash away our sins in the eyes of the Lord. So until the born again experience happens, Salvation is not possible. Therefore, babies and unborn babies who die go straight to hell.

      You might think that this is "unfair", but it's not unfair at all. Those who do not have the opportunity to receive salvation, who never in their lifetimes hear the gospel preached (eg babies and savages living in jungles), obviously were Predestined by God to go to hell. God makes sure that His elect are able to hear the gospel preached to them during their lifetimes, in order to give them an opportunity which He knows they will take advantage of. But with a lot of the reprobate, He decided not to bother letting them hear the gospel because He had already decided to send them to Hell anyway. God knows everything, so if a baby dies, God obviously allowed that baby to die because He knew that if it had lived it would have grown up to be a sinner.

      A liberal so called "Christian" I once conversed with, recounted the Old Testament story of a father who was promised that he would be reunited with his dead son, who died in infancy. But the important point to remember here is that this occured in the OLD Testamant. Before Jesus, the requirements for Salvation were very different. Obviously Moses did not go to hell eventhough He never accepted Jesus as his Saviour - he could not have done, as Jesus had not been born at that stage. In Old Testament times, to belong to the Jewish race (God's chosen people) was sufficient qualification to ensure a place in Heaven, so long as you did not break the laws of the Prophets. But since the New Testament, it is imperative to believe in Jesus to get to Heaven.

      Furthermore, one of my associates presented a very simple tongue-in-cheek argument that if death in infancy ensures salvation then it is a very good idea to kill babies. The vast majority of the human race at present is NOT made up of true Christians (Bible-believing fundamentalists), so for a new born, odds are that he or she will grow up to become part of the hellbound majority. Death in infancy, therefore, would guard against that risk, and would be a small price to pay to ensure eternal bliss as opposed to eternal misery and torture.

      To suggest that God makes exceptions to the rule that you must believe in Jesus to get into heaven, based on age or any other reason is to make a mockery of the whole notion of Salvation. It is either necessary to believe in Jesus, or it isn't. If God is going to make exceptions then it obviously isn't necessary. If God is going to allow unsaved babies to go to heaven by default then He is just playing games with us and Jesus isn't necessary at all. It would be better, in that case, to go and live in some remote community in some obsure, primitive country and have a great time sinning all you like. At death, you will end up in heaven anyway if God can see that you have never been told about Jesus and the Bible.

      Babies, and young children who die before they are old enough to understand the gospels and worship Jesus, unfortunately go straight to Hell. This is a Bible fact, and anybody who disagrees is guilty of heresy.
      I trust that I have sucessfully refuted the heresies of the lieberal element that have been smearing the internet with their new-age, pluralist (aka satanic) lies.

      On a final note, I would like to add that the thought of all those screaming infants in hell is enough to make you want to avoid the place at all costs, if you needed any more encouragement!
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