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On 8/9/2016 at 9:30 PM, swathdiver said:

Like Obama, I will constantly pray for his salvation, support him when he honors God and oppose him when he does not.  

President Obama and Secretary Clinton share the same ideology. Indeed, they shared nearly the same path of radicalization, Obama passing through the same doors as Hillary just a few years later.  They are box Marxist-Leninists whose god is their belly and hate America and her founding documents and her founding fathers.

I'm not gonna lie about praying, I don't pray as much as I should, I need to get back into praying more but  I am not praying for some people Obama & Hillary I will not pray for. I trust that God understands my heart.

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Like Obama, I will constantly pray for his salvation, support him when he honors God and oppose him when he does not.   President Obama and Secretary Clinton share the same ideology. Indeed, they

Brethren, I stated the above statement on August 9, 2016. Today, I saw the attached article, "Trump and Reagan Shared a Common Goal, American Greatness." http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018/

I recently watched a video (I'll try to find it again) that talked about Sweden (the "perfect" country) and the aftermath of them accepting so many "refugees". While I'm sure a small percentage moved

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Who would have ever thought we would vote for Trump? I voted for Trump and I am so thankful that he won. I prayed that God would deliver us from evil before and  on election night. We almost lost our Country, we came that close  if Hillary would have won. Some of these republicans need to just go on with the democrats because they're not true republicans.

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9 hours ago, Ronda said:

I have been away for a while, so forgive me for popping in abruptly. But I felt the need to make a correction here; "allah" is NOT God. He is the "god" of islam. Ask any muslim and they will tell you that "allah has no son".

The One true God... the God of Abraham ,Isaac, and Jacob, the God who created all things, the Alpha and Omega, the omnipotent and omniscient God the Father DOES INDEED have a Son... His only BEGOTTEN Son, Christ Jesus. Therefore the "god" they call "allah" is not at all the same God I worship.

That was a tongue in cheek comment primarily thrown into the thread as humor.  welcome back. 

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That was a tongue in cheek comment primarily thrown into the thread as humor.  welcome back. 

Oh so you are not a Muslim. That's really really good. Sorry I didn't fully read over the thread and I'm new here. I don't trust Islam and I'm very concerned about the political correctness that has pushed Islam into western civilized culture.

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24 minutes ago, abbey said:

Oh so you are not a Muslim. That's really really good. Sorry I didn't fully read over the thread and I'm new here. I don't trust Islam and I'm very concerned about the political correctness that has pushed Islam into western civilized culture.

Yes, his real name is Akhmed Muhammed Hussein Al Orval, but you can call him "Al" :laugh:

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Brethren,

In an, "National Day of Prayer speech," President Donald Trump signed an Executive Order that forces the Federal Government, specifically the IRS, to not target Christians, churches, and pastors for the following of their religious beliefs. This Executive Order will, among other things, cancel the Johnson Amendment that prohibited pastors, from their pulpit, by the threat of revoking their tax exempt status, from making political comments or getting involved in social issues.

Quite frankly I believe that this Executive Order will stop a lot of the political, social, and special rights groups from verbally, and legally, attacking pastors, Christians and churches.

http://video.foxnews.com/v/5421767813001/?#sp=show-clips

President Trump said, "No American should be forced to choose between the dictates of the Federal Government and the tenets of their faith."

Also, in the beginning of his speech, President Trump partially quoted James 1:17 when he said, freedom "... is a gift of God." throughout the speech President Trump reminded the public that our founding fathers (he quoted Thomas Jefferson at one point), enshrined religious freedom as the first (and main), freedom in our great land of religious faith.

President Trump is trying to reverse the evil, unjust, un-democratic, un-constitutional, attack on our religious freedom from the Federal Government, special rights groups, the homosexual crowd, the socialist and communist leaning men and women in power in our country, and give us back our Constitutional rights.

And, President Trump is reversing the trend of revising the early American religious, Christian, history of our country.

I think with signing this Executive Order that President Trump is helping America being a better country again.

I think that President's Trump is answered prayer from God above in starting to heal our land from the destructive actions of Clinton, Obama, and the militant atheists and homosexual crowd. "If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land." 2 Chronicles 7:14

May God above bless all of you.

Alan

 

 

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21 hours ago, Alan said:

I think that President's Trump is answered prayer from God above in starting to heal our land from the destructive actions of Clinton, Obama, and the militant atheists and homosexual crowd. "If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land." 2 Chronicles 7:14

May God above bless all of you.

Alan

I think God is using President Trump in spite of this nation's falling away. I'm sure the atheist/homosexual crowd and Hollywood are seething about now. Sometimes God has to show us how good His provision is just before He turns it over to us and we really mess it up. I hope that's not the case. I do believe the prayers of God's people are going up before Him but, I'm uncertain how God's will might deal with a majority wicked and corrupt people.

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I am thankful President Trump is working hard to restore some of our Christian freedoms and rights. I just hope he can get enough done to make a difference. It was wonderful to see him sign the repeal of the "Johnson Amendment", BUT Congress needs to act on the full repeal of the "Johnson Amendment", otherwise it's merely a temporary gesture.

I  was disheartened when suffering through Comey's fiasco earlier this week. When asked about the IRS targeting the "Tea Party" and other conservative organizations, Comey admitted that it was POSSIBLE there was wrong doing but he  "couldn't make a case" because he "couldn't prove intent".  He also admitted that Anthony Weiner and Huma abedin HAD unlawfully kept and shared classified information on an insecure computer. But (Comey) said he "couldn't make a case" because he "couldn't prove intent". Then he again admitted it was likely a conflict of interest when past AG Lynch had met with former president Bill Clinton on the tarmac/plane, BUT again claimed he "couldn't make a case" because he "couldn't prove intent". (Then he gushed over how much he LOVES and respects Loretta Lynch). He also admitted that Hillary had classified emails on an unsecure server, AND that she had SHARED some of those classified emails with Huma Abedin and her former spouse Anthony Weiner, but AGAIN Comey claimed he "couldn't make a case" because he "couldn't prove intent". Then when the question of Susan Rice and her alleged misuse of unmasking and disseminating  classified information could be a crime and should have a special prosecutor requested, he hemmed and hawed and the subject was changed to Mike Flynn (who is a democrat, by the way, and his security clearance was given by the Obama administration), Comey THEN decides that "perhaps a special prosecutor should be considered"????

It is more than apparent that FBI director James Comey is playing partisan politics... but what was more troubling was his apparent lack of respect for the LAW and the CONSTITUTION when Ted Cruz brought forth the legal code showing without a shadow of a doubt that it was/is not Comey's JOB to "prove intent", but to recommend future action to the DOJ and AG. Comey seem nonplussed. He has no respect for the law, nor his position as director of FBI. But instead is rather smug in his position, believing he cannot be ousted (and it IS difficult to remove an acting FBI director prior to his completion of a 10 year tenure). Obama appointed him in 2013, and if he is to serve his full 10 year tenure, he won't leave office until 2023 :( 

The entire time I was watching this dog and pony show... I kept thinking of Isaiah 59:14-15
14 "And judgment is turned away backward, and justice standeth afar off: for truth is fallen in the street, and equity cannot enter."
15 "Yea, truth faileth; and he that departeth from evil maketh himself a prey: and the Lord saw it, and it displeased him that there was no judgment."

 

While I do believe President Trump is acting to bring back Christian freedoms and constitutional rights, I also think that the 'deep state' (whom I believe to be led by evil demonic influence) is too deeply entrenched for even the best of presidents to unravel and defeat.
I believe God heard our voices on election night, and I also believe the Lord is watching over Pres.Trump... there are so many death threats and open avowing to do him physical harm, besides the basest of derogatory remarks airing on television.... That the Lord MUST be protecting him. But I do not think the US has a long term life. As sad as that is to say, I believe there is a reason we are not noted in Bible prophecy. I am hoping that the ruination of the US comes AFTER the rapture, and I am also hoping that the reason the Lord is right now protecting not just the President, but many of us civilians, is because He desired to give us a reprieve to share the gospel with the lost. I fully believe that since most end time prophecy is lined up and at the door that we won't be here much longer. We can clearly see that characteristics of the 'perilous last day' (2 Tim.3:1-7, 13) are evident. (If you don't believe that, try having a CIVIL conversation with anyone on the left on social media... you will be called names that should make a hardened criminal blush).  While the world appears to be falling apart, it is actually falling into place... into God's prophetic timeline. 

Maranatha!

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Brethren,

I am of the persuasion the Paris Climate Accord was not in the best national interests of America, the American workers, or our sovereignty.  President Trump just announced that the United States is withdrawing from the Paris Climate Accord. I am of the opinion that his actions are a benefit to America and a detriment to the Socialist agenda of the globalists.

http://video.foxnews.com/v/5456490848001/#sp=show-clips

In my estimation, God did bless America with President Trumps decision.

Alan

 

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I personally believe that puny mankind has zero effect on global climate. I also believe that this lie of"climate change" (once called global warming) is continually pushed in order to sway public opinion for the purpose of imposing more and more regulations with the end result being totalitarian control of all industry. They want complete control of "health care"( who lives or dies) and they want total control of all means of production, including agriculture (control of who gets to eat).

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7 hours ago, heartstrings said:

I also believe that this lie of"climate change" (once called global warming) is continually pushed in order to sway public opinion for the purpose of imposing more and more regulations with the end result being totalitarian control of all industry.

I totally agree.

The globalist, the liberals, the Socialist, the Communist are using pseudo-science in order to gain control, by excessive regulation, over the citizens of the United States.

 

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The House of Representatives recently passed two of Trump's bills that will be a benefit to all Americans. I need to correct this statement with a statement by HappyChristian. HappyChristian wrote, "I also want to correct an incorrect statement made in an earlier post. Kate's Law is NOT "Trump's bill." It was written and introduced by Sen. Ted Cruz as a companion to a bill introduced in the House by Rep. Matt Salmon. In 2015. Before Trump ever became a Republican or threw his hat in the ring for POTUS. Bills like this often take time to get passed. This one only took 2 years, which is kind of amazing, actually."  

1. "Kate's Law." This bill would make it easier to punish illegal immigrants who commit crimes on U.S soil.

2. Blocking funding to the "Sanctuary Cities," that are harboring and aiding criminal illegal immigrants.

President Trump said in response to the passing of these bills, "I applaud the House for passing two crucial measures to save and protect American lives ... The implementation of these two policies will make our communities safer." I agree with President's Trumps assessment and statement.

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The Supreme Court of the United States upheld (with some qualifications), President Trump's Travel ban from 6 Muslim countries.

http://video.foxnews.com/v/5490864395001/?#sp=show-clips

 

This is great news and will help defend the borders of the United States

Also, please take notice, the decision of the Supreme Court was unanimous; 9-0. 

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One of the great things about the Trump presidency is that he is bringing back the rule of Constitutional Law to our Judicial system.

After the Supreme court upheld the Travel Ban issued by Trump, the socialist in the Sate of Hawaii sought to overturn the travel ban in the Hawaiian Federal Court. The Federal Judge denied their claim, "Last week, attorneys for the federal government said that the 'close' family relationships allowed under the President Trump's travel ban were based on definitions outlined by immigration law. The state's emergency motion – denied on Thursday by Judge Derrick Watson in Honolulu – sought to make sure that the ban couldn't be enforced against other family members, such as grandparents, aunts and uncles.

In his ruling, Watson reasoned that since the portion of the ban Hawaii was seeking to clarify was authored by the Supreme Court, the state's lawyers should seek clarification directly from them."

Judge Derrick Watson then stated, "This Court will not upset the Supreme Court’s careful balancing and “equitable judgment” ... nor would this district court presume to substitute its own understanding of the stay for that of the originating Court’s “exercise of discretion and judgment.”

What I find is that our Judicial Courts are in the process of ruling by the law  of the land and not by the social agenda of many of the rights groups, democrats, liberals, and other socialist minded individuals. When President Trump issued the Travel Ban he issued it with the definitions already in effect and not the definitions of the activist liberal fanatics.  

Here is the link to the article: http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/35829846/federal-judge-turns-back-hawaiis-motion-on-trumps-travel-ban

 

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11 hours ago, Alan said:

One of the great things about the Trump presidency is that he is bringing back the rule of Constitutional Law to our Judicial system.

After the Supreme court upheld the Travel Ban issued by Trump, the socialist in the Sate of Hawaii sought to overturn the travel ban in the Hawaiian Federal Court. The Federal Judge denied their claim, "Last week, attorneys for the federal government said that the 'close' family relationships allowed under the President Trump's travel ban were based on definitions outlined by immigration law. The state's emergency motion – denied on Thursday by Judge Derrick Watson in Honolulu – sought to make sure that the ban couldn't be enforced against other family members, such as grandparents, aunts and uncles.

In his ruling, Watson reasoned that since the portion of the ban Hawaii was seeking to clarify was authored by the Supreme Court, the state's lawyers should seek clarification directly from them."

Judge Derrick Watson then stated, "This Court will not upset the Supreme Court’s careful balancing and “equitable judgment” ... nor would this district court presume to substitute its own understanding of the stay for that of the originating Court’s “exercise of discretion and judgment.”

What I find is that our Judicial Courts are in the process of ruling by the law  of the land and not by the social agenda of many of the rights groups, democrats, liberals, and other socialist minded individuals. When President Trump issued the Travel Ban he issued it with the definitions already in effect and not the definitions of the activist liberal fanatics.  

Here is the link to the article: http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/35829846/federal-judge-turns-back-hawaiis-motion-on-trumps-travel-ban

 

I don't really understand your system, but I thought you all promoted the right of states over Fed govt.  I suppose when it suits you, you go the opposite way?

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2 hours ago, Invicta said:

I don't really understand your system, but I thought you all promoted the right of states over Fed govt.  I suppose when it suits you, you go the opposite way?

I don't reply to this thread because I do not adulate Trump, but I wanted to address this. Our country was set up as a federated republic, which means we are composed of (supposed to be, anyway) independent republics (states) with a (relatively weak) central government. Of late, more and more power has been taken by the feds, and far too many people have ceded that power to them. 

However, the Constitution grants the authority to the federal government regarding things like immigration. Article 4, section 4 states: The United States shall guarantee to every state in this union a republican form of government, and shall protect each of them from invasion"...and that would include Hawaii.  Illegal immigration is indeed an invasion upon our country. IMO, the travel ban doesn't go far enough. We need to adopt Ted Cruz' plan, which would make it untenable for illegals to stay here and they would self-deport. That would be a good companion to the travel ban.

I neither like nor trust Trump, but when he does something right, it should be acknowledged. This travel ban is a good first step, and should have been done long ago.

I also want to correct an incorrect statement made in an earlier post. Kate's Law is NOT "Trump's bill." It was written and introduced by Sen. Ted Cruz as a companion to a bill introduced in the House by Rep. Matt Salmon. In 2015. Before Trump ever became a Republican or threw his hat in the ring for POTUS. Bills like this often take time to get passed. This one only took 2 years, which is kind of amazing, actually.  

As I said, I don't post in this thread, but as a moderator I do have to at least skim it once in a while. ;)   When Trump does something right - like the travel ban - he deserves the credit. But he does not deserve credit for something he had nothing to do with, like Kate's Law. 

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22 minutes ago, HappyChristian said:

I don't reply to this thread because I do not adulate Trump, but I wanted to address this. Our country was set up as a federated republic, which means we are composed of (supposed to be, anyway) independent republics (states) with a (relatively weak) central government. Of late, more and more power has been taken by the feds, and far too many people have ceded that power to them. 

However, the Constitution grants the authority to the federal government regarding things like immigration. Article 4, section 4 states: The United States shall guarantee to every state in this union a republican form of government, and shall protect each of them from invasion"...and that would include Hawaii.  Illegal immigration is indeed an invasion upon our country. IMO, the travel ban doesn't go far enough. We need to adopt Ted Cruz' plan, which would make it untenable for illegals to stay here and they would self-deport. That would be a good companion to the travel ban.

I neither like nor trust Trump, but when he does something right, it should be acknowledged. This travel ban is a good first step, and should have been done long ago.

I also want to correct an incorrect statement made in an earlier post. Kate's Law is NOT "Trump's bill." It was written and introduced by Sen. Ted Cruz as a companion to a bill introduced in the House by Rep. Matt Salmon. In 2015. Before Trump ever became a Republican or threw his hat in the ring for POTUS. Bills like this often take time to get passed. This one only took 2 years, which is kind of amazing, actually.  

As I said, I don't post in this thread, but as a moderator I do have to at least skim it once in a while. ;)   When Trump does something right - like the travel ban - he deserves the credit. But he does not deserve credit for something he had nothing to do with, like Kate's Law. 

Thank you for clarifying, LuAnne. I didn't post that to be controversial, I just didn't understand.

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18 minutes ago, Invicta said:

Thank you for clarifying, LuAnne. I didn't post that to be controversial, I just didn't understand.

I know you didn't, and I'm sorry if I sounded like I was rebuking you. I wasn't - just wanted to explain. ;)

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4 hours ago, HappyChristian said:

I don't reply to this thread because I do not adulate Trump, but I wanted to address this. Our country was set up as a federated republic, which means we are composed of (supposed to be, anyway) independent republics (states) with a (relatively weak) central government. Of late, more and more power has been taken by the feds, and far too many people have ceded that power to them. 

However, the Constitution grants the authority to the federal government regarding things like immigration. Article 4, section 4 states: The United States shall guarantee to every state in this union a republican form of government, and shall protect each of them from invasion"...and that would include Hawaii.  Illegal immigration is indeed an invasion upon our country. IMO, the travel ban doesn't go far enough. We need to adopt Ted Cruz' plan, which would make it untenable for illegals to stay here and they would self-deport. That would be a good companion to the travel ban.

I neither like nor trust Trump, but when he does something right, it should be acknowledged. This travel ban is a good first step, and should have been done long ago.

I also want to correct an incorrect statement made in an earlier post. Kate's Law is NOT "Trump's bill." It was written and introduced by Sen. Ted Cruz as a companion to a bill introduced in the House by Rep. Matt Salmon. In 2015. Before Trump ever became a Republican or threw his hat in the ring for POTUS. Bills like this often take time to get passed. This one only took 2 years, which is kind of amazing, actually.  

As I said, I don't post in this thread, but as a moderator I do have to at least skim it once in a while. ;)   When Trump does something right - like the travel ban - he deserves the credit. But he does not deserve credit for something he had nothing to do with, like Kate's Law. 

HappyChristian,

Thank for answering Invicita's question. I agree with your complete post. I also want to thank you for letting me, and all of us, know that it was Senator Ted Cruz who initiated Kate's Law as a companion to a bill sponsored by House Representative Matt Salmon.

Brethren,

HappyChristian is correct in her summation. The Travel Ban does not go far enough to stop the invasion of illegal aliens into America and our Federal government has far too much power over the rights of the Sates. In this case President Trump did though use his power as President for the good of America.

Also, as I wrote earlier in this thread (and mentioned a couple of times), I do not agree with the character, his role model as a President, nor a lot of the policies, of Trump. I just feel he is doing some good executive actions in his capacity as President that are right, and great, for America. President Trump is trying to stop the tide of the socialists, communists, and political activists to harm America and I do applaud him for that.

Alan

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On 8/8/2016 at 11:08 PM, Alan said:

Brethren,

..............Donald Trump made a great economic speech at the, "Detroit Economic Club," in Detroit, MI

 I rarely watch full speeches by any politician, and, personally did not care to hear Trump in a full speech, but, after hearing what he had to say initially, I decided to watch the full speech. I thought it was a great spreech that is worthy of our attention. Here is the link:

Quite frankly, it was almost like hearing the financial and regulatory polices of President Ronald Reagan.

I think the economic policies of a Donald Trump administration would help the financial health of America.............

Alan

I'm not too familiar with President Trump's economic policies but I do sense that the economy has been on the rise since he took office. I will note that our business does increase between the months of February and May, but it's now July and it's still going strong. I have probably done more business in the past five months than I did for each of the last eight years. I think business people in general have more confidence in the economy right now and I hope it stays that way. More business means more jobs, and more jobs means more business. I wish I could say the same for my sheep business but, I haven't sold a sheep in a few months now and I have 5 figures worth that I'm going to have to feed all summer with no guarantee they will sell. I was told by one of the auction buyers that it's the Muslims, who he has dealings with, who are worried about what Trump is going to do. I say it's bad that sheep sales are down but great if these heathens are worried. I hope he ships the whole lot out and bans all of the Muslims. I was fine with them until they began attacking us.

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Over 80,000 migrants have arrived in Italy from Libya this year and over 2,000 have drowned.  about 75-80% of these are said to be economic migrants and not refugees. They are put to sea by trafiikers in overcrowded and unseaworthy and overcrowded boats which usually start to sink soon after they leave.  Govts have stopped patrols but NGOs like Medicins Sans Frontieres have been picking them up/ It seems to me that they are encouraging those who profit from this evil trade and if they returned them to Libya, this trade will stop or greatly diminish/  MSF deny this of course. 

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I agree with both Heartstrings and Invicta's assessment.

From what I have read, America's economy is doing better since Trump has been in office than in the previous years (I do not have precise data to back up this statement). And, the Muslim religious fanatics, who caused the terrorists attacks, are concerned. I feel that Trump is not only helping the economy of  the United States, but he is preventing future terrorist activity. The flood (should I say invasion), of economic refugees have hurt Europe in many ways and it it continues it will destroy the economic, moral, religious, and social fabric of America.

In my estimation, President Trump has already helped America and his policies should help America further.

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On 7/3/2017 at 3:50 AM, Alan said:

The Supreme Court of the United States upheld (with some qualifications), President Trump's Travel ban from 6 Muslim countries.

I don't know when it stopped but America used to have travel bans and nobody complained.  We did not let Muhammadens or Communists and other terrorists whose values were opposed and sought the destruction of the United States.  Pakistan was once on a banned list and President Obama as a young man traveled to that country anyway using a different visa from another country if memory serves.

Even the UK used to ban the Moslems and we can all see how well it worked for them when their socialist/communist rulers rescinded that one!

Wayne, I'd love to have some sheep or goats to keep my grass mowed but the city would surely frown on that idea!  Would need a taller fence too!  Maybe you can market them as pets to folks in rural areas?  Well, I'll pray that the Lord takes care of that situation for you!

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On 08/07/2017 at 7:40 AM, swathdiver said:

Even the UK used to ban the Moslems and we can all see how well it worked for them when their socialist/communist rulers rescinded that one!

When was this in force? I can't find anything about it.

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13 hours ago, Alimantado said:

When was this in force? I can't find anything about it.

I have not heard that either.  We often hear that it was refugees that helped our country to be great.  They forget, or choose not to remember, that it was Christian refugees from Catholic Europe that helped our country.  Weavers from Northern France, Farmers from Netherlands, for instance.  There was also what was known as the "Protestant work ethic" People were eager to work.  Now many Just don't want to work, just live off the state.  There is plenty of work on farms, picking fruit, etc.but people won't leave their homes to go to farms for work, but Europeans come hundreds of miles to work on farms.  Farmers say if they cannot get the foreign workers, they can;t operate.  

When I was at school we we taught "Our Duty", now it seems they are taught "Our Rights,"

(I notice that I have got a spelling checker back so you should see a difference in my spelling, typos etc.)

 

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14 hours ago, Invicta said:

I have not heard that either.  We often hear that it was refugees that helped our country to be great.  They forget, or choose not to remember, that it was Christian refugees from Catholic Europe that helped our country.  Weavers from Northern France, Farmers from Netherlands, for instance.  There was also what was known as the "Protestant work ethic" People were eager to work.  Now many Just don't want to work, just live off the state.  There is plenty of work on farms, picking fruit, etc.but people won't leave their homes to go to farms for work, but Europeans come hundreds of miles to work on farms.  Farmers say if they cannot get the foreign workers, they can;t operate.  

When I was at school we we taught "Our Duty", now it seems they are taught "Our Rights,"

(I notice that I have got a spelling checker back so you should see a difference in my spelling, typos etc.)

 

Now, your country has been invaded by hordes of Muslims and now even the mayor of London is one of them. Unlike those European immigrants of days gone by, the vast majority of these people will not assimilate. They fully intend to over-run your country and do away with your culture and are becoming much more bold about it too. It is only going to get worse. Our country has already allowed a Muslim to hold the highest office in our land which I still consider unconscionable . But now, in our country, I believe President Trump may be part of the last line of defense because, in spite of his faults, he actually cares about the U.S., unlike Obama who was bent on destroying it.

Yes, we have both "duty" and "rights" and these are outlined in our Bible. Our "duty" is to be concerned with the "rights" of others.

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