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Sounds a bit like what a drug lord might tell his dealers.  No switching from one status to the other... got it.   However, if that is true, I would imagine that if the church legally closed or dissolved or whatever, that they could start a brand new one and just not file for 501C3 status.  

You are right, that is exactly how it needs to be done. The old corporation is dissolved completely. Then the church would need to give itself a new name, as keeping the old name that is on the old corporation papers, the old property title and the old bank accounts could eventually cause legal headaches. It's quite a convoluted process.

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Brethren, I stated the above statement on August 9, 2016. Today, I saw the attached article, "Trump and Reagan Shared a Common Goal, American Greatness." http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018/

I recently watched a video (I'll try to find it again) that talked about Sweden (the "perfect" country) and the aftermath of them accepting so many "refugees". While I'm sure a small percentage moved

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1 minute ago, weary warrior said:

You are right, that is exactly how it needs to be done. The old corporation is dissolved completely. Then the church would need to give itself a new name, as keeping the old name that is on the old corporation papers, the old property title and the old bank accounts could eventually cause legal headaches. It's quite a convoluted process.

Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when from taxes we wish to be reprieved.

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Fox News had an interview with Dr. Alveda King (niece of Martin Luther KIng, Jr.), concerning the Trump Administration.

During the interview Dr. King said she is encouraged by the steps of President Trump thus far. She is encouraged that Presisdent Trump is analyzing the job situation with the black race and coming up with good solutions with job creation.

Also, she mentioned two things that are noteworhty concerning President Trump and this thread:

One. Dr. King said, "I commend him for all of his appointments.'

Two. Dr. King said, "... to see jobs come back to America is a great thing."

http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/5315918167001/?#sp=show-clips

I agree with her. The steps President Trump has taken thus far, in several areas, will lead to make America great as before. Dr. King's other comments concerning the destructive speech by Senator Warren is also noteworthy.

 

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Fox News had an interview with Dr. Alveda King (niece of Martin Luther KIng, Jr.), concerning the Trump Administration.

During the interview Dr. King said she is encouraged by the steps of President Trump thus far. She is encouraged that Presisdent Trump is analyzing the job situation with the black race and coming up with good solutions with job creation.

Also, she mentioned two things that are noteworhty concerning President Trump and this thread:

One. Dr. King said, "I commend him for all of his appointments.'

Two. Dr. King said, "... to see jobs come back to America is a great thing."

http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/5315918167001/?#sp=show-clips

I agree with her. The steps President Trump has taken thus far, in several areas, will lead to make America great as before. Dr. King's other comments concerning the destructive speech by Senator Warren is also noteworthy.

 

MLK, who was a commie himself (he attended Highlander Folk School in Tennessee), would be a conservative compared to the left wing lunatics of today's America. They would probably accuse him of being an Uncle Tom.

 

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7 hours ago, fastjav390 said:

Every major city in my home state is receiving them. I've always said its good to be 100+ miles from anywhere.

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On 12/02/2017 at 11:07 PM, Alan said:

fastjaqv390,

Thank you very much for the information concerning the settlement of Muslim refugees into the United States.

It sure does appear that the refugee settlement program is a government program that churches get involved for monetary purposes and not for the sake of the gospel. It is an open shame for churches to get involved with programs (governmental or non-govermental), for the sake of lucrative gain.

It is my hope that this is one of the government programs that President Trump eliminates. Keep us informed and let us know if there are any bills in the Congress that will address this program with the intention of getting rid of it.

Brethren,

The second article that fastjav390 posted, "Refugee Settlement Watch," 

is noteworthy. 

Paul the apostle stated to avoid men in the church who teach erroneous doctrines and practices within the church, "Preverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself." 1 Timothy 6:5 In the next chapter of 1 Timothy continued this thought,Paul also stated the following concerning stiving for monetary gain by any saint, or church, "For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows." 1 Timothy 6:10

The churches who get involved with programs like the Refugee Settlement Program, for monetary purposes, or popularity, have erred from the faith. And, it is one of the un-necessary programs created by our government that needs to be eliminated. If the Refugee Settlement Program is eliminated by President Trump I am of the opinion that it would be beneficial for America.

Alan

But would it be beneficial to the preaching of the gospel to refugees, or do you not think they need the gospel?

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But would it be beneficial to the preaching of the spel to refugees, or do you not think they need the gospel?

It appears to me, that the denominations that are currently involved with the Refugee Resettlement Programs that fastjav390 linked to are not preaching the gospel to the refugees. In fact, they are not preaching the gospel to those already in their churches.  

Yes, all refugees need the gospel.

I am not, nor the churches that I report to, in any way, or manner, against honest, freedom loving, refugees from any country.

The point we are making in this thread is the illegal immigration into the Unites States and the false usage of the word 'refugee,' in order to gain entry to the United States by Muslim terrorists and those who miss-use the government agencies here in America for material gain.

I have been to numerous solid, straight as an arrow, IFB churches that love folks of all races, creeds, and countries. In these IFB churches they have ministries within the church to various other people groups. In these IFB churches I have seen ministries to Muslims, Hispanics, Chinese, Laotion (refugees from Laos), Vietnamese, and other non English speaking nationalities. I myself have partricipated in Chinese outreaches.

The good work of the IFB churches among other nationalities, refugees, etc..., is not mentioned by the press, news organizations, or mainline denominations. In fact, the good work among the IFB churches to refugees and non-English speaking nationalities, are deliberately ignored by the mainline press and the religious news organizations.

Alan 

 

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In an article by Newt Gingrich called, "Why Trump's presidency will be great for America but Canada too," Newt goes on to explain why the jobs policy of President Trump will help both the United States and Canada. 

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/02/13/newt-gingrich-why-trump-s-presidency-will-be-great-not-just-for-america-but-canada-too.html

President Trump will help America and those countries willing to get behind good business fiscal policies and regulations.   

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President Trump just signed a bill into law eliminating unnecessary coal mining regulations.

http://video.foxnews.com/v/5325977499001/?#sp=show-clips

The elimination of these unnecessary, and destructive to our economy, will be beneficial not only to the coal mining in West Virginia, but to other industries using coal in other States. 

President Trump is making good his campaign promises to eliminate regulations that have hurt the economy of America and lessened our greatness as a country.

 

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President Trump just signed a bill into law eliminating unnecessary coal mining regulations.

http://video.foxnews.com/v/5325977499001/?#sp=show-clips

The elimination of these unnecessary, and destructive to our economy, will be beneficial not only to the coal mining in West Virginia, but to other industries using coal in other States. 

President Trump is making good his campaign promises to eliminate regulations that have hurt the economy of America and lessened our greatness as a country.

 

George Soros was behind the push for all these regulations. He was then buying up all the coal stock once it dropped because of Obama regulations. Once he bought it up he sought for the expansion of the coal industry. It's all a big game.

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When President Trump vowed to, "Drain the Swam," in order to make America great, he is making Cabinet appointments that will help his endeavor to, "Drain the Swamp."

One of the efforts is to do away with the un-Constitutional regulations of the EPA. the new head of the EPA is Scott Pruitt. One of the burdensome, un-Constitutional, and destructive EPA regulations is the regulatory power the EPA gave themselves to control the ponds, waterways, streams, and small puddles of water that are on the farms of America and land owners in the country.

http://video.foxnews.com/v/5328998174001/?#sp=show-clips

Hopefully, Scott Pruitt of the EPA will get rid of the destructive regulations of the EPA and make our country great again for the average American farmer and country land owner. 

 

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Brethren,

President Trump is seriously considering leaving the U.S. participation (membership), of the United Nations Human Rights Council due to its blatant anti-Israel policy agenda.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/03/01/us-reconsidering-membership-in-un-council-urges-end-to-israel-obsession.html

The membership and participation in this anti-Semitic, and unholy, U.N. Human Rights Council was initiated by Obama.

This action would not only be great for America, but also for Israel, and for our relationship as a country with the will of God helping the Jews as much as we can.

Alan 

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Brethren,

President Trump sign an order to rescind numerous Obama-era Environmental Protection Agency regulations on the Coal industry.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/03/28/trump-signs-executive-order-rolling-back-obama-era-energy-regs.html

In my opinion, the Obama-era regulations were harmful to the American economy. They were partially implemented  due to the climate change activists, politically minded politicians who were power-hungry, greedy individuals like Al Gore, and the globalists who want to tax the world and take away the freedoms that American's enjoy.

In my opinion, President Trump's directives will be beneficial to America. President Trump is acting for the benefit of Americans and not for a global society.

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Alan,

My sense of the current situation concerning Mr. Trump is that the American media will never let the American people know anything about the current administration unless it can be delivered with a negative slant.  I am not implying he has done everything right (no one does) but I believe that he has done some really good things we may never see in the newspapers or main line media.  That said Mr. Obama surely went against the wishes of the American public with what is referred to as Obama Care, had there been a vote of Americans the insurance plan would never have gotten to first base.  And now to see him go after environment fanatics is good in my eyes because like yourself I know that for the next 1007 years the world will be just fine environmentally.     

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19 hours ago, Orval said:

My sense of the current situation concerning Mr. Trump is that the American media will never let the American people know anything about the current administration unless it can be delivered with a negative slant. 

The comments by Orval are correct and indicative of the world's attitude towards those people (whether in the church or not), who do right. An individual can see this in politics, business, church history, history of the Jews, and in some churches. 

One of the reasons why the true church history of true local New Testament churches, and the history of correct doctrine, is  skewed (or distorted), is that the false teachers among the churches are more numerous than true teachers of the scriptures. False teachers of the scriptures, and denominational teachers, will ignore, disparage (or to speak of in a slighting way),  speak with a negative slant, of those within the true churches. We are seeing this negative speaking, and writing (especially among internet theologians), of men of God even within the IFB churches.

Orval is correct.

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Brethren,

Please take notice that I did not say one thing about the Healthcare bill that Trump tried to pass, nor have (to my knowledge), said in this thread that the Trump Healthcare bill is a good, or great thing, for America. 

To give one recent example; when I quoted Orval I deliberately did not quote his thoughts on heathcare. 

I also understand that Trump is not righteous in all that he does. In fact, if you notice my postings, I am being very selective in what I post. This is deliberate on my part. I do not agree with all that Trump does, is doing, or is going to do. I am just trying to focus on the actions that Trump is doing that I feel will make America great.

Please, do not make this thread into a debate about the Health care mess. I have my own thoughts on the issue and for now I will keep them private.

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An Apology and an Explanation,

Even though the Health care issue was mentioned, as I mentioned before, I deliberately did not quote it nor reference to it. I am sorry if anybody felt  that I misled them.

This is not a balanced thread. I did not intend it to be a balanced thread. President Trump has so many character traits that I do not feel is worthy to mention, nor do I agree on some of his polices are good for America (including his Health care agenda), that I have had to limit this thread.

It is my hope that all of us can find some ground of discussion within the framework of this thread. I want to include everybody in this discussion. As Dale Carnegie aptly put it, I am 'trying to win friends,' (I think all of you know the rest of the phrase).

Brethren,

My sole intention on this thread is to express the good things that President Trump is doing to help our country become a great country. Hopefully, he will do so according to the law of the land; the Constitution. And, hopefully, the House of Representatives and Senate will act like Statesmen, and not politicians with a personal agenda, and get behind some of the good things that President Trump is trying to pass into law.

The United States has almost been destroyed through the lawlessness, liberal, globalist, and communistic agenda of the Obama administration. I sense that President Trump is trying very hard to get rid of the destructive agenda, destructive regulations, and destructive personnel that permeates the 'swamp at DC.'

Therefore, this thread is to post those good actions of President Trump. I do not think Trump's action of Health care is beneficial for America, so, I do not care to discuss it, nor is it in the realm of the intention of this thread.

Alan

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Like i said before; Mr. Trump ain't going to be perfect. He's a politician, not a pastor (none of those are perfect either). I think the man, however flawed, has the best intentions for our Nation as opposed to Obama and the Clintons who intended to destroy it

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For a forum group that is supposed to enjoy social engagement on any topic there seems to be a tab bit of tender toes amongst the collective membership. Might I suggest we assume others are friendly and can have differing opinions without being frustrated. Social issues are of interest to all (i.e. social) and no two people will agree on every point of a discussion. So, smile, shake your head and praise the Lord we are not all alike God made us different. I loved the line in Robin Hood Prince of Thieves when the little girl asks Azeem if “God painted him”, he replies “yes” because “Allah (Aramaic for God) loves wondrous variety”. That is what we have in the forum “wondrous variety” enjoy it.

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Alas! Being imperfect, we are all prone to make mistakes:sorry: . Especially when it comes to social and political issues  :4_6_103: they sometimes make us harried :4_2_204v: .

So, when I started this thread I tried to make it a positive issue :4_6_100: and limited it to one thought :think_smiley_42: : How the policies of President Trump will help America become great again. I understand that the goal is very limited, perhaps too limited, and have some of the brethren a little concerned (probably rightly so), but, after pulling my hair out what to do :3531a34faafcd3d5ab8749a94f57319e: , please bear with me :15_1_63:  . I will try and take heed to the admonition of the wisest King in the world; "Turn not to the right hand nor to the left: ..." Proverbs 4:27a

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2 hours ago, Alan said:

Alas! Being imperfect, we are all prone to make mistakes:sorry: . Especially when it comes to social and political issues  :4_6_103: they sometimes make us harried :4_2_204v: .

So, when I started this thread I tried to make it a positive issue :4_6_100: and limited it to one thought :think_smiley_42: : How the policies of President Trump will help America become great again. I understand that the goal is very limited, perhaps too limited, and have some of the brethren a little perturbed :4_2_204v:(probably rightly so), but, after pulling my hair out what to do :3531a34faafcd3d5ab8749a94f57319e: , please bear with me :15_1_63:  . I will try and take heed to the admonition of the wisest King in the world; "Turn not to the right hand nor to the left: ..." Proverbs 4:27a

Alan

 

Once again brother Alan I am being force to a refresher course hieroglyphics.  The drawings are so hard to understand. :4_12_2:

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Brethren,

President Trump just signed two new Executive Orders to eliminate the effects off the previous administrations bad trade deals with foreign countries.

I would like to give all of the brethren two of the noteworthy quotes from President Trump.

1. "The theft of American prosperity will end."

2. "Jobs and wealth have been stripped from our country."

President Trump will bring back manufacturing and jobs to America. This action will help America become the great nation it once was economically.

 

http://video.foxnews.com/v/5380884625001/?#sp=show-clips

Alan

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Brethren,

Here is some relaxing music to listen too while we wait for more good news from our Government. It may take  awhile before I can report more good news. So, sit back, open up the Book of Psalms, and pray for our leaders that they will do, "...  that which was right in the sight of the LORD ..." 1 Kings 15:11

Note: On April 5, 2020 I noticed that the original song was not longer available and uploaded a different song; "Blessed Assurance."

I do hope "Blessed Assurance" is a blessing to all of the brethren.

 

 

God bless!

Alan

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I don't like Trump bombing Syria. Especially when there is no proof that Assad had anything to do with it except from what the "White Helmets" have said who have already been proven to be in league with Al-Qaeda. Trump said  during his campaign he would not get involved over there with regime changes that only make matters worse. This has the Neo-Con stamp of approval all over it.

I'm also disappointed with him selecting Kevin Hassett as his economic advisor. Hassett is 100% pro-illegal immigration and outsourcing and is a former chairman of the Council of Foreign Relations. So more broken promises by Trump. I think we can forget about the Wall.

I think the 24/7 hammering he has been taking by the globalists and liberal MSM has worn him down. Let's hope he doesn't become a CFR stooge. 

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President Reagan also had CFR people in his cabinet (McFarland if memory serves).  Is this a case of ignorance or keeping your enemies close?  I don't know.

As for Syria, we have no business as they are not a threat to our national security (As I see it).  At times Syria has cooperated with us even though their government is Marxist-Leninist and a longtime ally of the Soviet Union and today's Russia.

North Korea poses a threat to our allies.  The USS Pueblo would either be back in our hands or sitting on the bottom of their harbor if I were President.  Like the Japanese on Wake Island during WW2, I would let the 7th Fleet use them for target practice. 

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I am not american, so I really don't have much right to say anything, but if I may be allowed an observation.......

I think that the fact that Trump is actually not a politician is both a good and bad thing: it means that he often makes decisions without thinking about the political fallout, but it also means that he often makes decisions without thinking about the political fallout........ :laugh:

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In a speech at the 2017 NRA (National Rifle Association), convention President Trump not only defended the Constitutional (the Second Amendment), right for us to 'bear arms.' He said, "The eight year assault on your Second Amendment freedoms has come to a crashing end."

http://video.foxnews.com/v/5415343978001/?#sp=show-clips

President Trump is making America great again by undoing the destructive Obama, Clinton, and other democratic political leaders, regulations that have been put in force in order to destroy the Constitution of the United States of America and take away our constitutional right to 'bear arms.'

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On 3/30/2017 at 2:49 PM, Orval said:

“yes” because “Allah (Aramaic for God) loves wondrous variety”. That is what we have in the forum “wondrous variety” enjoy it.

I have been away for a while, so forgive me for popping in abruptly. But I felt the need to make a correction here; "allah" is NOT God. He is the "god" of islam. Ask any muslim and they will tell you that "allah has no son".

The One true God... the God of Abraham ,Isaac, and Jacob, the God who created all things, the Alpha and Omega, the omnipotent and omniscient God the Father DOES INDEED have a Son... His only BEGOTTEN Son, Christ Jesus. Therefore the "god" they call "allah" is not at all the same God I worship.

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Sorry for disrupting your thread, brother Alan.  I am just now reading and catching up some... an excellent thread on the topic. I must also say that we knew where the US was headed under the past democrat administration, and it was NOT in the direction of Christian rights and freedoms.  

While President Trump is not a perfect man (none are), he DOES stand for the constitution, Christian freedoms, he has avowed to be a friend to Israel, and it could very well be that the Lord has given us a reprieve to give the gospel to the lost in these last days. Had the left won, there is little doubt in my mind that we would have seen even MORE loss of freedoms, and MORE trampling of the constitution than we already have. 

Censorship from the left is on the rise... I can attest to being banned for 24 hours on facebook for sharing a Bible verse (Isaiah 5:20, ironically). Other sisters in Christ have ALSO been given bans for sharing either sermon videos or scripture as well. The media (including social media) in the US are predominantly owned by the left. They want to shut free speech down and control the narrative in the hopes that they will again win the presidency in 2020. The President is correct in calling the media out for their bias and complete censorship of all things conservative as well as Christian. For that reason I pray in thankfulness to the Lord that He has given us this reprieve, however short it may end up being, to share the gospel freely in public. 

I also pray for our president every day, as scripture tells us to:
1 Tim. 2:1-4
1 I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;
2 For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.
3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.


Maranatha!
 

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I have been away for a while, so forgive me for popping in abruptly. But I felt the need to make a correction here; "allah" is NOT God. He is the "god" of islam. Ask any muslim and they will tell you that "allah has no son".

The One true God... the God of Abraham ,Isaac, and Jacob, the God who created all things, the Alpha and Omega, the omnipotent and omniscient God the Father DOES INDEED have a Son... His only BEGOTTEN Son, Christ Jesus. Therefore the "god" they call "allah" is not at all the same God I worship.

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Sorry for disrupting your thread, brother Alan.  I am just now reading and catching up some... an excellent thread on the topic. I must also say that we knew where the US was headed under the past democrat administration, and it was NOT in the direction of Christian rights and freedoms.  

While President Trump is not a perfect man (none are), he DOES stand for the constitution, Christian freedoms, he has avowed to be a friend to Israel, and it could very well be that the Lord has given us a reprieve to give the gospel to the lost in these last days. Had the left won, there is little doubt in my mind that we would have seen even MORE loss of freedoms, and MORE trampling of the constitution than we already have. 

Censorship from the left is on the rise... I can attest to being banned for 24 hours on facebook for sharing a Bible verse (Isaiah 5:20, ironically). Other sisters in Christ have ALSO been given bans for sharing either sermon videos or scripture as well. The media (including social media) in the US are predominantly owned by the left. They want to shut free speech down and control the narrative in the hopes that they will again win the presidency in 2020. The President is correct in calling the media out for their bias and complete censorship of all things conservative as well as Christian. For that reason I pray in thankfulness to the Lord that He has given us this reprieve, however short it may end up being, to share the gospel freely in public. 

I also pray for our president every day, as scripture tells us to:
1 Tim. 2:1-4
1 I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;
2 For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.
3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.


Maranatha!
 

I'm concerned about what's going on. I don't think that people really understand that Islam has existed for like 1400 years ( I think) and we in America have only existed for about 240 years . Islam has hated us even before we were a thought.

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