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Like Obama, I will constantly pray for his salvation, support him when he honors God and oppose him when he does not.   President Obama and Secretary Clinton share the same ideology. Indeed, they

Brethren, I stated the above statement on August 9, 2016. Today, I saw the attached article, "Trump and Reagan Shared a Common Goal, American Greatness." http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018/

I recently watched a video (I'll try to find it again) that talked about Sweden (the "perfect" country) and the aftermath of them accepting so many "refugees". While I'm sure a small percentage moved

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I understand that wikipedia is not the best source for a lot of things. I did a quick search on the internet concerning Executive Orders and came away somewhat disappointed. Maybe, you, or one of the other brethren more knowledgeable in Executive Orders, may be able to start a different thread in order to teach us further on Executive Orders.

Please take note, in my previous posts, I have tried (maybe not completely successful), to let all of us know that his actions thus far have been through Executive Orders and not by laws mandated by congress. As I stated before, President Trump is using the Executive Orders as a tool to overcome the destructive policies of the Obama administration, the feminists, the Socialists, the Communists, and the Democrats, who have tied to destroy the greatness of America. I do sincerely believe that the Executive Orders issued thus far will help America out of the fiscal mess our country is in through unfair trade agreements,  hinder Muslim extremists from entering America, and help America become great again.

Due to the nature of politics, the character flaws of Trump, and the extreme amount of lies that we hearing from the lying press and Democratic liberals, I deliberately wanted to limit the discussion on just the positive actions that President Trump is taking that will help America become great again. So, you are correct about not wanting negative posts about Trump; his flaws are many. So, forgive me for being so slanted in this thread.  I do though want to hear your thoughts on whether or not the steps he is taking is beneficial to our country. I am trying to make the distinction between Trumps character flaws and his actions. I know this is hard for all of us; but I am trying.

It is my sincere hope that the Congress fulfills its obligations as defenders of the Constitution of the United States and makes the laws necessary to make our country great again as President Trump is attempting to do. It is my hope that after a period of time that President Trump, or some other legislator, introduces legislation to make the actions that is being done through Executive Orders now, and make these changes permanent.

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President Trump issued an Executive Order directing the Department of Homeland Security to enforce a travel ban to 7 predominately Muslim countries. This action by President Trump is a first step (and hopefully not the last step), in vetting those Muslims, and/or terroists, who would cause terriost acts within the borders of the Unites States.

This step by President Trump is a necessary step to protect us (the citizens of the United States), and is one of actions that will make America a great country again for the protection of its citizens. So, we can go about our daily business, family life, worship, without fear of terrorist attacks.

Part of the travel ban was halted (by the Judiciary), due to some Muslims being detained at some airports. But, according to the below linked article, the travel ban is still in forcce. 

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/01/29/dhs-will-continue-to-enforce-trumps-travel-ban.html

I think the Executive Order by President Trump is prudent, contitutional, and good for America. It is not necessarily good for the world, but, President Trump, rightly so, is performing the responsibility of the office of the President of the United States and not of the world.

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1 hour ago, Alan said:

President Trump issued an Executive Order directing the Department of Homeland Security to enforce a travel ban to 7 predominately Muslim countries. This action by President Trump is a first step (and hopefully not the last step), in vetting those Muslims, and/or terroists, who would cause terriost acts within the borders of the Unites States.

This step by President Trump is a necessary step to protect us (the citizens of the United States), and is one of actions that will make America a great country again for the protection of its citizens. So, we can go about our daily business, family life, worship, without fear of terrorist attacks.

Part of the travel ban was halted (by the Judiciary), due to some Muslims being detained at some airports. But, according to the below linked article, the travel ban is still in forcce. 

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/01/29/dhs-will-continue-to-enforce-trumps-travel-ban.html

I think the Executive Order by President Trump is prudent, contitutional, and good for America. It is not necessarily good for the world, but, President Trump, rightly so, is performing the responsibility of the office of the President of the United States and not of the world.

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There was a report on the news an hour ago that this was for 90 days, till vetting ptocedures are in place.  The ban doues  not include Saudi or Pakistan.

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Well, how many children did those of Israel murder at the hands of Moloch? But when the nation turned to Him, he forgave them. Even more so will he do now.  Also, we have to remember that we are in a day that God deals with individuals, not nations, per se.

America isn't Israel. There is no Abrahamic or Davidic covenant between America and God so he has no obligation to us. God destroyed nations to brings Israel back to himself. Also, I recall a place in the OT where it says God was taking away the righteous to spare them from the wrath to come.

1 hour ago, Invicta said:

There was a report on the news an hour ago that this was for 90 days, till vetting ptocedures are in place.  The ban doues  not include Saudi or Pakistan.

The majority of "refugees" (military aged males) is coming from from the nations Trump listed. That is why no Saudi Arabia or Pakistan is mentioned. 

2 hours ago, Alan said:

President Trump issued an Executive Order directing the Department of Homeland Security to enforce a travel ban to 7 predominately Muslim countries. This action by President Trump is a first step (and hopefully not the last step), in vetting those Muslims, and/or terroists, who would cause terriost acts within the borders of the Unites States.

This step by President Trump is a necessary step to protect us (the citizens of the United States), and is one of actions that will make America a great country again for the protection of its citizens. So, we can go about our daily business, family life, worship, without fear of terrorist attacks.

Part of the travel ban was halted (by the Judiciary), due to some Muslims being detained at some airports. But, according to the below linked article, the travel ban is still in forcce. 

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/01/29/dhs-will-continue-to-enforce-trumps-travel-ban.html

I think the Executive Order by President Trump is prudent, contitutional, and good for America. It is not necessarily good for the world, but, President Trump, rightly so, is performing the responsibility of the office of the President of the United States and not of the world.

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Yup, protect our borders, language and culture. People forget about the Immigration Act of 1924 that banned almost all immigration for 50 years so those here could be assimilated. There is nothing new to what he is doing.

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On 1/28/2017 at 1:44 AM, Alan said:

 

I understand that wikipedia is not the best source for a lot of things. I did a quick search on the internet concerning Executive Orders and came away somewhat disappointed. Maybe, you, or one of the other brethren more knowledgeable in Executive Orders, may be able to start a different thread in order to teach us further on Executive Orders.

Please take note, in my previous posts, I have tried (maybe not completely successful), to let all of us know that his actions thus far have been through Executive Orders and not by laws mandated by congress. As I stated before, President Trump is using the Executive Orders as a tool to overcome the destructive policies of the Obama administration, the feminists, the Socialists, the Communists, and the Democrats, who have tied to destroy the greatness of America. I do sincerely believe that the Executive Orders issued thus far will help America out of the fiscal mess our country is in through unfair trade agreements,  hinder Muslim extremists from entering America, and help America become great again.

Due to the nature of politics, the character flaws of Trump, and the extreme amount of lies that we hearing from the lying press and Democratic liberals, I deliberately wanted to limit the discussion on just the positive actions that President Trump is taking that will help America become great again. So, you are correct about not wanting negative posts about Trump; his flaws are many. So, forgive me for being so slanted in this thread.  I do though want to hear your thoughts on whether or not the steps he is taking is beneficial to our country. I am trying to make the distinction between Trumps character flaws and his actions. I know this is hard for all of us; but I am trying.

It is my sincere hope that the Congress fulfills its obligations as defenders of the Constitution of the United States and makes the laws necessary to make our country great again as President Trump is attempting to do. It is my hope that after a period of time that President Trump, or some other legislator, introduces legislation to make the actions that is being done through Executive Orders now, and make these changes permanent.

Alan

Executive Orders, as far as I see it, are for the purpose of pushing the issue to the Supreme Court. Especially since Congress is totally useless expect when it comes to voting themselves raises.

On 1/25/2017 at 4:05 PM, No Nicolaitans said:

Also, let's remember that a nation's "greatness" (or lack thereof) may not necessarily mean that a particular nation is enjoying the blessings of God.

Rome was one of the most (if not the most) hedonistic, horrific, deviant, and idolatrous nations to ever have existed...yet, they were a "great" nation. They ruled the world for 500+ years, but I just don't believe they did so through the blessings of God. However, God used Rome to fulfill his purpose. Rome was a major player in the events surrounding Christ and the apostles...so he "allowed" them to be a "great" nation.

Can America be great again? Most certainly it can. What's one way for that to happen? For its rulers to follow biblical principles despite the sin that may be prevalent. We are into the beginning days of Trump's presidency, but I have hope that despite Trump's personal lack of biblical principles knowledge, he appears to be making some wise decisions that can be traced to biblical principles...which is a far cry from Obama's open and public ridicule and mockery of God's word; in which, he showed his own lack of understanding of God's word.

As bad as Rome was they never recognized gay marriage or murdered 50 millions babies within a 40 year period. I think once we turn on Israel that will be the final straw.

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12 hours ago, fastjav390 said:

America isn't Israel. There is no Abrahamic or Davidic covenant between America and God so he has no obligation to us. God destroyed nations to brings Israel back to himself. Also, I recall a place in the OT where it says God was taking away the righteous to spare them from the wrath to come.

Okay then, consider the great wickedness of Nineveh and the Assyrians-they were some of the absolute cruelest peoples of that area-they wouldn't just conquor a nation, they would take the men women and children and flay them alive and impale them, alive, on posts all over. They would cover posts with their skins. Then God sent Jonah to let them know they were going to all die for their wickedness. Mind you, NO option was given for them to repent and be forgiven, yet repent they did and they WERE forgiven.  And Nineveh, if you're not sure, is NOT Israel and has no covenant standing with the Lord.

God repsonds to repentance, regardless of where that repentance comes from. If America repents, or there are those who maintain a spirit of repentance, Like Sodom and Gomorrah, will God spare the wicked for the sake of the righteous? I see no reason why not.

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Okay then, consider the great wickedness of Nineveh and the Assyrians-they were some of the absolute cruelest peoples of that area-they wouldn't just conquor a nation, they would take the men women and children and flay them alive and impale them, alive, on posts all over. They would cover posts with their skins. Then God sent Jonah to let them know they were going to all die for their wickedness. Mind you, NO option was given for them to repent and be forgiven, yet repent they did and they WERE forgiven.  And Nineveh, if you're not sure, is NOT Israel and has no covenant standing with the Lord.

God repsonds to repentance, regardless of where that repentance comes from. If America repents, or there are those who maintain a spirit of repentance, Like Sodom and Gomorrah, will God spare the wicked for the sake of the righteous? I see no reason why not.

Yes, but Nineveh and the Assyrians are long gone. They lasted about 100 more years after Jonah got them to repent. They still ended up having to account for their behavior as a nation. 

I honestly don't see this happening in America. Some great fifth awakening. Too many doors have been opened, too many flood gates release, too many roads traveled down. One reason is because the nation is not united anymore because of multiculturalism. Just now I read where some Baptist organization is backing the building of a Mosque in New Jersey. 

I don't think the next great revival or national repentance will happen until the Great Tribulation.

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Jim Alaska,

Wonderful!

Thank you very much for the song, "Search Me O God." The song was a welcome addition to this discussion on how to Make America Great Again. America needs revival in the hearts of the saints, and the restoration of the biblical doctrines in the churches. Once revival has set in the churches hopefully the people in power in our goverment will follow righteous law and regulations. Please feel free to post any other song that you feel appropriate in any of my threads.

Brethren,

Please feel free to post any song, traditional only please, that you feel will be a blessing to the message of the thread.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/01/30/trump-signs-executive-order-to-drastically-cut-federal-regs.html

 

President Trump just signed an extememely important Exectutive Order concerning that no new Federal Regulations are to be initiated unless there are two Federal Regulations to be eliminated. All of the new Federal Regulations are to be checked by the  OMB (Office of management & Budget), in order to determine the cost involved.

Brethern,

This Executive Order will help eliminate the destructive Federal Regulations that the Obama Administration, and the liberal Democratic Party, have forced upon America. Through these destructive regulations, the liberals, the Socialists,the communists, the feminists, the racists, the wackos, have tried to destroy American businesses', have caused fiscal irresponsibility, and they have used these destructive regulations to try and to control the personal property rights of the American farmer and other citizens.

President Trump is trying to bring back Federal governmental fiscal responsibility to America. He is also trying to eliminate federal regulations that have hurt the American farming community and personal property rights.

May God help President Trump succeed in his effort to bring back fiscal respnsibility to America and to restore our personal property rights as the Constitution guarantees.

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Brethren,

I deleted my comments on the news story about a terroist, Mohammed, being caught at the New York airport as John Young brought it to our attention that the news site quoted is a fake, or questionable, news source. I checked Fox News and could not find any such story. My apologies are in order.

John Young,

Thank you for informing us that the news source that I referenced is either a fake news site or questionable. I appreciate your double-checking the source.

Alan

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11 hours ago, heartstrings said:

I think this is a bogus site.  Cannot verify this anywhere else.  Some say the site is bogus, used to plant false stories.

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11 hours ago, heartstrings said:

Unfortunately this is FAKE NEWS. "Times.com.mx" is not a real news site (if you notice they do not have a page on who they are or located) and this story is completely fake. the picture is from a 2009 story about Najibullah Zazi, an Al-Qaeda operative, who was arrested on for his conspiracy to blow up the NY subway. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Najibullah_Zazi. There is no such person as Rasheed Muhammad known to be associated with ISIS. 

As much as I would love to have real good news start rolling in, we need to be careful about the sites from were we get our news and the stories we see. Just because they are what we want to hear does not mean we should believe them.

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On 1/30/2017 at 3:40 PM, Alan said:

Brethern,

This Executive Order will help eliminate the destructive Federal Regulations that the Obama Administration, and the liberal Democratic Party, have forced upon America. Through these destructive regulations, the liberals, the Socialists,the communists, the feminists, the racists, the wackos, have tried to destroy American businesses', have caused fiscal irresponsibility, and they have used these destructive regulations to try and to control the personal property rights of the American farmer and other citizens.

President Trump is trying to bring back Federal governmental fiscal responsibility to America. He is also trying to eliminate federal regulations that have hurt the American farming community and personal property rights.

May God help President Trump succeed in his effort to bring back fiscal responsibility to America and to restore our personal property rights as the Constitution guarantees.

Alan

Bro. Alan,

I appreciated your comments on "Making America Great Again". Like most here at OB, I do have a life outside of these forums. I am very active in my church, but I am also active politically as a self appointed advocate for property and mining rights that you mentioned in the post I quoted.

In this capacity I have seen and worked against the widespread erosion of our rights guaranteed by both our constitution as well as congress. I work with Federal legislators that are responsive to the cause of citizens rights, I testify at various comment hearings for both Federal, as well as local government meetings. I supply legislators with important facts that they struggle with. Currently I have been working with our local county supervisors on issues that have been detrimental to our people during the last administration, by formulating official county letters to various heads of the new Trump administration. So far Donald Trump's picks for heading up key agencies has the potential for radical change for the better.

For too long our citizens have been beset by radical environmental and tribal special interests that have infiltrated key Federal and State agencies, whose sole purpose is the dismantling of our once great economic infrastructure.. It is my hope that this new administration can get our country back on track and once again make it the greatest bastion of freedom for all peoples.

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8 hours ago, John Young said:


As much as I would love to have real good news start rolling in, we need to be careful about the sites from were we get our news and the stories we see. Just because they are what we want to hear does not mean we should believe them.

Yes, fact check until there is no doubt.

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President Trump attended the National Prayer breakfast.

At the breakfast, President Trump expressed that he will defend freedom of worship and express his views that his immigration policy will benefit America and our religious freedoms that we enjoy through the Constitution.

Here is the article: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/02/02/trump-vows-to-protect-religious-liberty-and-knocks-arnold-at-national-prayer-breakfast.html

The protection of  our religious freedom will not only help our country become great again but it will be a blessing to every saint here on OnLine Baptist as they  serve the Lord

 

On 2017/2/1 at 11:17 PM, Jim_Alaska said:

In this capacity I have seen and worked against the widespread erosion of our rights guaranteed by both our constitution as well as congress. I work with Federal legislators that are responsive to the cause of citizens rights, I testify at various comment hearings for both Federal, as well as local government meetings. I supply legislators with important facts that they struggle with. Currently I have been working with our local county supervisors on issues that have been detrimental to our people during the last administration, by formulating official county letters to various heads of the new Trump administration. So far Donald Trump's picks for heading up key agencies has the potential for radical change for the better.

For too long our citizens have been beset by radical environmental and tribal special interests that have infiltrated key Federal and State agencies, whose sole purpose is the dismantling of our once great economic infrastructure.. It is my hope that this new administration can get our country back on track and once again make it the greatest bastion of freedom for all peoples.

Brethren,

Jim Alaska is correct.

Federal agencies (the Bureau of Land Management as one example), overreach, by regulation, is a danger to the personal property rights of all Americans. Thus far, President Trumps selections for individuals to head government agencies has revealed his selections have been conservative, patriotic individuals who will follow the Constitution.

I am not totally familiar with individual cases. If anybody knows of specific areas where some unjust  regulations are being overturned, or actions by specific individuals seeking to overturn regulations contrary to the Constitutional, or personal property rights, please let us know. 

 

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So far it seems everything Trump is doing is right and the best for America. He sure won't get it all right but I doubt you'll see anymore things like nuns being sued by the federal government over abortion or Christians losing their homes and businesses over gay wedding cakes. Well, let's hope not.

I just have a bad feeling he won't make it through his term as POTUS. Either the Dems and RINO's will gang up on him and have him impeached or he'll be assassinated. The man really needs our prayers and support.

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Alan, here is one that I have been involved with from the beginning. I am a gold miner, as well as a property and mining rights advocate. The state of California has banned suction dredge mining for gold for the last nine years. This is a direct violation of the rights that congress gave to this nations miners. I am working with the new administration's new agency heads to get this situation turned around.

Just today Pacific Legal Foundation agreed to take this case the the US Supreme Court for miners. They are a very high profile legal firm, with many impressive wins to their credit. The link below is their announcement and brief concerning the illegality of the state's actions.

http://blog.pacificlegal.org/plf-asks-supreme-court-review-challenge-californias-mining-ban/

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Jim Alaska,

I listened, and read, about the Supreme Court challenge concerning the suction dredge mining in the State of California. Keep us informed of major developements. It will be very interesting how the new (hopefully new), supreme Court Justice, Gosuch, would affect his law.

Brethren,

Every election cycle the IRS, and the liberals, use the Johnson Amendment (named after former Senator L.B.Johnson), in an effort to force churches (pastors), from speaking their Consitututional right to Free Speech, in an effort to nullify the churches political viewpoint.

In the following video Huckabee explains the situation more fully.

http://video.foxnews.com/v/5308628565001/?intcmp=ob_footer_video&intcmp=obnetwork

President Trump, during his National Prayer Breakfast speech, has declared that he will eliminate this ammendment. I believe that this would help churches (pastors from the pulpit), again have the legal right to express their political beliefs as guaranteed by the Constitution. Truly, this would help america become great again.

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Jim Alaska,

I listened, and read, about the Supreme Court challenge concerning the suction dredge mining in the State of California. Keep us informed of major developements. It will be very interesting how the new (hopefully new), supreme Court Justice, Gosuch, would affect his law.

Brethren,

Every election cycle the IRS, and the liberals, use the Johnson Amendment (named after former Senator L.B.Johnson), in an effort to force churches (pastors), from speaking their Consitututional right to Free Speech, in an effort to nullify the churches political viewpoint.

In the following video Huckabee explains the situation more fully.

http://video.foxnews.com/v/5308628565001/?intcmp=ob_footer_video&intcmp=obnetwork

President Trump, during his National Prayer Breakfast speech, has declared that he will eliminate this ammendment. I believe that this would help churches (pastors from the pulpit), again have the legal right to express their political beliefs as guaranteed by the Constitution. Truly, this would help america become great again.

Problem with that view Alan is that Churches will be considered as nothing more than political mouthpieces. 

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7 hours ago, Invicta said:

Problem with that view Alan is that Churches will be considered as nothing more than political mouthpieces. 

While this may be true of some churches, it has no place among Independent Baptists. Our first priority is to preach the Gospel. But we are to also warn against evil that threatens our people, our churches and anything that would hinder our mission in this world

Freedom of speech is of utmost importance and if it does not apply to all it is not freedom at all. Just because we are a church does not mean that we should be muzzled when it comes to speaking out against unjust political practices and corruption in high places.

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28 minutes ago, Jim_Alaska said:

While this may be true of some churches, it has no place among Independent Baptists. Our first priority is the preach the Gospel. But we are to also warn against evil that threatens our people, our churches and anything that would hinder our mission in this world

Freedom of speech is of utmost importance and if it does not apply to all it is not freedom at all. Just because we are a church does not mean that we should be muzzled when it comes to speaking out against unjust political practices and corruption in high places.

You are correct Jim.  I was thinking, for instance, of the Arcbishop of Canterbury, who is always making political statements, but I have never heard him say anything remote/ly  biblical.  

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9 hours ago, Invicta said:

Problem with that view Alan is that Churches will be considered as nothing more than political mouthpieces. 

Yes Invicta, some will be political mouthpieces. Most of us and our pastors will continue to put Christ ahead of all this 'stuff'.

I would suggest with all the vetting and vetting discussion going on that we never forget to vet all this political hubbub through God's Word.

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According to the Constitution of the United States, Amendment 1 states, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

The Johnson law prohibits the free exercise speech, or abridges the free exercise of speech, of the minister in the pulpit; whether the minister miss-uses that right is not the question.

Also, we can all agree that a church is an assembly of people: the Johnson law prohibits the free exercise of the speech of a minister while he is in an assembly. Whether the minister is right or wrong is immaterial according to the Constitution of the United States.

The Johnson law is unconstitutional and should be nullified by Congress. That is the point that President Trump is making. I agree with President Trump. President Trump is trying to make America great again by getting rid of laws and regulations that are not in accordance to the Constitution.

If the members of Congress wants to make America great again, as President Trump is trying to do so, than the members of Congress needs to back him up and nullify the Johnson law.

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There are limits to the Johnson Amendment, such as a pastor may preach on politics or engage in politicking if it does not take up 10% of his time or 10% of his employees, something like that anyway.  Whatever it is, you're right, it's not constitutional.  In addition, this only applies to 501C3 churches, not 508C1A churches. The 508C1A is established by default without paperwork, the other is established by ignorance and government trickery.  So a 508C1A can talk all they want about politics and host fundraisers, etc.

I think much of it is wasted time and of little profit.  Adults know what to do.  A mature christian will size up the best man for the job according to the scriptures and his testimony.  In this instance, his testimony includes his character, work ethic, and past statements, in addition to his walk with Christ, if he has one.

 

On another note, I think Americans are going to need to overwhelm the switchboards and tell those losers, McConnell and Ryan, that they need to repeal and replace Obama Care and make those tax cuts, NOW.  

Gotta get that judge on the bench too, and that other one impeached.  Come to think of it, a bunch of them should be impeached.

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According to the Constitution of the United States, Amendment 1 states, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

The Johnson law prohibits the free exercise speech, or abridges the free exercise of speech, of the minister in the pulpit; whether the minister miss-uses that right is not the question.

Also, we can all agree that a church is an assembly of people: the Johnson law prohibits the free exercise of the speech of a minister while he is in an assembly. Whether the minister is right or wrong is immaterial according to the Constitution of the United States.

The Johnson law is unconstitutional and should be nullified by Congress. That is the point that President Trump is making. I agree with President Trump. President Trump is trying to make America great again by getting rid of laws and regulations that are not in accordance to the Constitution.

If the members of Congress wants to make America great again, as President Trump is trying to do so, than the members of Congress needs to back him up and nullify the Johnson law.

It seems the Johnson Amendment only applies to churches that back conservative candidates or politicians. I see liberal churches all the time holding some kind of gathering for politicians or political movements. 

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The, 'sanctuary cities,' that the liberal, democratic, socialist, flock of politicians created for the illegal aliens, is unconstitutional and a deliberate attempt by these liberal politicians to flaunt U.S. Laws concerning illegal aliens.

President Trump is going to make America great again by getting rid of these sanctuary cities by withholding Federal funding. And, hopefully, by the force of stronger   immigration laws, Congress will act behind him.

Already, thankfully, some of the politicians of some of the sanctuary cities are backing down and in the light of President Trumps stated position and is helping the Federal Government authorities, as the law demands, instead of hindering the Federal Government.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/02/10/were-going-to-see-more-sanctuary-cities-cave-in-face-trumps-funding-threats.html

I do pray for our government. It is my hope that the Lord above helps President Trump make America great again by abiding by the laws of our land, and a return the Constitution, instead of the whims, and socialist agenda, of our politicians, and the activist judges, in our land.

 

 

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On 2/6/2017 at 5:32 PM, Alan said:

According to the Constitution of the United States, Amendment 1 states, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

The Johnson law prohibits the free exercise speech, or abridges the free exercise of speech, of the minister in the pulpit; whether the minister miss-uses that right is not the question.

Also, we can all agree that a church is an assembly of people: the Johnson law prohibits the free exercise of the speech of a minister while he is in an assembly. Whether the minister is right or wrong is immaterial according to the Constitution of the United States.

The Johnson law is unconstitutional and should be nullified by Congress. That is the point that President Trump is making. I agree with President Trump. President Trump is trying to make America great again by getting rid of laws and regulations that are not in accordance to the Constitution.

If the members of Congress wants to make America great again, as President Trump is trying to do so, than the members of Congress needs to back him up and nullify the Johnson law.

The whole problem is not that a church is prohibited to engage in politics, it is that a church applies for recognition from the government as a non-profit corporation, 501C3 status, for financial purposes. When you look to the government for official recognition from that government, you place yourself under the authority of said government. Since that government is made up of opposing political views, and you have become a de-facto ward of the state, (look it up, you applied, i.e. "asked" for them to please put you under the benevolent umbrella of their recognition of you as a corporation) then they have the right to require you to not take political sides. Any church that is truly simply nothing more than a gathering of believers can make all of the political statements they want. Those that have been granted permission from the state to be recognized by the state have placed themselves under the authority of the state, simply so they would not have to pay the state's taxes on all of the ridiculous money they often take in to pay for their million-dollar properties.

 

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Our former church looked into renouncing our 501C3 status, and were told by the attorney at CLA that to do so would make us liable for all of the back property taxes we had been exempted from since the inception of the church. We also were advised by CLA that if a church is a 501C3, don't look to get out of it, and if you are not one, don't look to become one.

CLA is the Christian Law Assoc.

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9 minutes ago, weary warrior said:

Our former church looked into renouncing our 501C3 status, and were told by the attorney at CLA that to do so would make us liable for all of the back property taxes we had been exempted from since the inception of the church. We also were advised by CLA that if a church is a 501C3, don't look to get out of it, and if you are not one, don't look to become one.

CLA is the Christian Law Assoc.

Sounds a bit like what a drug lord might tell his dealers.  No switching from one status to the other... got it.   However, if that is true, I would imagine that if the church legally closed or dissolved or whatever, that they could start a brand new one and just not file for 501C3 status.  

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