Making America Great Again

[Alan 3,174]

Brethren,

Donald Trump made a great economic speech at the, "Detroit Economic Club," in Detroit, MI

 I rarely watch full speeches by any politician, and, personally did not care to hear Trump in a full speech, but, after hearing what he had to say initially, I decided to watch the full speech. I thought it was a great spreech that is worthy of our attention. Here is the link:

I would suggest to watch the full speech. It starts out with an introduction by Pence (which by the way would make a great vice-president), and then Trump presents his economic policies.

Quite frankly, it was almost like hearing the financial and regulatory polices of President Ronald Reagan.

I think the economic policies of a Donald Trump administration would help the financial health of America. Donald Trump, among other policies; would overturn Obamacare, stop any new regulatory policies, overturn many of the destructive regulatory policies of Bill Clinton and Obama, re-negotiate the NAFTA agreement, decrease taxes for businesses, and incorporate economic policies that are helpful to America. There are other good policies that he mentioned that I would suggest you to listen by yourself and make your own judgments.

Trump, in my estimation, is a conservative. He is not the best conservative, but, he is a conservative.

Trump plainly stated that he is against the Globalist policies of Obama, and the potential destructive Globalist policies of Hillary. Trump plainly stated that he  will only institute economic policies that are beneficial to America.

In my estimation, Donald Trump would make a great President and be helpful to our country. It was also good to hear Trump sounding like a flag waving, America loving, conservative, down-to-the-earth, patriotic American. The speech did remind me of President Reagan and his love for America. I came away from hearing the speech and felt that Trump was sincere in speech, loved America, and has the business sense to succeed in his endeavor to help our country.

Alan

Edited August 9, 2016 by Alan
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[swathdiver 1,754]

Like Obama, I will constantly pray for his salvation, support him when he honors God and oppose him when he does not.  

President Obama and Secretary Clinton share the same ideology. Indeed, they shared nearly the same path of radicalization, Obama passing through the same doors as Hillary just a few years later.  They are box Marxist-Leninists whose god is their belly and hate America and her founding documents and her founding fathers.

[Rosie 545]

I believe they are terrorists muslims too

[Ronda 536]

I use two major criteris for voting:
#1. What is the persons proclaimed stance on Christian rights (will they allow Christians the freedom to worship without fear of legal/personal ramifications?)
#2. What is the persons proclaimed stance on Israel (will they bless or curse Israel? Do they claim they will stand for or against Israel?)
Those are the 2 most relevant criteria I (myself use).

Let me also point out 2 relevant facts as well.
#1. If Hillary Clinton is elected it will be the final nail in the coffin of this once great nation, for reasons too numerous to note, but most especially because she will continue to curse Israel.
#2. If we (Christians) "sit out" this voting cycle and leave all the voting to the ungodly, unsaved, and secular... we can be sure that the results will be an unngodly, unsaved, and secular choice. 

Thankfully, we are not voting for a "pastor in chief" when voting for a president.  

I wonder if most realize that the SAME arguments were being made many years ago against Ronald Reagan when he was running for office as are made about Trump today? He was divorced, he was a former movie celebrity, he wasn't the world's best "poster child" for Christianity, etc, etc. Yet, what was the other option??? Then as now... we only have 2 viable choices. 

A recent proclamation was made that Donald Trump has accepted/believed on Jesus for salvation.
This profession of faith COULD very well be a "bargaining chip" to sway voters opinions. 
And while there is reason to suspect the timing of the profession of Mr. Trump's accepting Christ... 
I have to wonder do any of us attempt to put ourselves in the Lord's place to determine who has and who hasn't believed on Christ for salvation? 
Do we truly know ANY other persons heart and mind? Are there clues? Yes, But again... I personally do not presume to take God's place in an all-knowing fashion as to whether another has or has not accepted/believed on Jesus for salvation.

IF (and I do stress the word IF) Mr. Trump has recently believed on Jesus for salvation, would we then expect him to show a complete 180 degree change in actions and attitude overnight? 
Do we not know MANY professing Christians who are STILL stuck on the "milk" of the word even decades after accepting/believing Christ? IF they truly have believed on Christ for salvation, they SHOULD have the desire to grown in the sincere milk of the word until they are then capable of understanding the meatier matters. BUT do we expect an overnight transformation?
Would any Bible figure (except for the perfect savior Jesus) be able to prove out this theory? 
Didn't Peter deny the Lord thrice? Didn't Thomas doubt Jesus? I'm sure there are numerous other examples. But the point is: as long as we are in corruptible bodies under the sin curse, NONE of us can claim we "sin not".

We do not know the true condition of anyone's heart. No one (other than the Lord Himself) knows perfectly the true conditions of our hearts. I shouldn’t presume to know your heart, and you shouldn’t presume to know mine. And we shouldn’t presume to know the hearts of others.
Can any one of us claim that we sin not, even AFTER salvation? If so, that person is a liar.
And if we attempt to claim we are "much less of a sinner" than Mr. Trump, and/or that he shouldn't be held up as a "model Christian"... I wonder do we think any of us CAN BE???
If the world truly knew ANY ONE of our hearts, minds, past sins, present failures and shortcomings the way the Lord does, would ANY ONE of us want to stand up as the "poster child" for Christianity??? 
And if we put ANY man or woman in that position (other than Jesus Himself) as the example of whom a Christian should be like... we are in grave error...there is NONE righteous... no not one!

So NO, I do NOT think Mr. Trump is the model of Christianity. But guess what??? I don't think YOU are either, and before you take offense, I do not think I am either (nor any other person living on this planet).
ONLY CHRIST was perfect and to be the One whom we aspire to be like.

To be honest, I believe the rapture will SOON occur. My most fervent desire is that it will happen prior to the elections.
BUT should we still be here in November, should there even BE an election I know whom I am going to cast my meager one vote for (God willing).

This isn't a decision made lightly, it is one we should ALL pray about. If anyone is planning on "sitting out" the election, I wonder if it MAY have anything to do with pride???  I will do my duty as a citizen to vote for the one person to whom I feel best meets my criteria (#1 and #2 at top) for voting. 
There are truly only 2 viable options with any chance of getting elected, I know for sure I will NOT be voting for Hillary Clinton (As with all things, God willing. IF we haven't been raptured and IF I'm still alive come November). 

Maranatha! 
 

[Alan 3,174]

29 minutes ago, Ronda said:

#1. What is the persons proclaimed stance on Christian rights (will they allow Christians the freedom to worship without fear of legal/personal ramifications?)
#2. What is the persons proclaimed stance on Israel (will they bless or curse Israel? Do they claim they will stand for or against Israel?)
Those are the 2 most relevant criteria I (myself use).

Excellent! 

1. Trump will not take away our constitutional right for freedom of worship and I believe he will stop the current governmental promotion of Islam. I am of the belief that Trump will not hinder the churches. I am of the opinion that Trump will help the chuches regain some of the rights to express our Christian more openly.

2. Trump will help the cause of the Jews and the nation of Israel. 

29 minutes ago, Ronda said:

A recent proclamation was made that Donald Trump has accepted/believed on Jesus for salvation.

I sincerely hope so. Either way, Trump has let it be known by a public stance that he openly accepts Christianity.

29 minutes ago, Ronda said:

Thankfully, we are not voting for a "pastor in chief" when voting for a president.  

I am very happy that this was brought out.

We are voting for the President of the United States, a public office, and not a church office. The qualifications for a man in the ministry is not the qualifications of a man seeking public office. Nor should Christians be limited to only to vote for dedicated Christians. When a man takes up arms and fights for his country he is fighting for the Constitution and for the government to follow the Constitution; not the qualifications for a church office. God gave the government to responsibility to defend (physically), the citizens. It is the responsibility of the man of God, the church, to stand up and defend the spiritual (doctrines), of the scriptures. I am not voting for a pastor.

Our thoughts on electing officials to run our government should be:

1. Will they follow the constitution?

2. Will they help America?

3. Will they abide by the laws of America?

4. Will they continue to permit the freedom of religion?

5. Will they allow open Christian activities? Witnessing in public. Distributing Bibles. Etc...

6. Will they hinder the church?

I am of the firm conviction that Trump will help the cause of the Lord Jesus and not hinder it. Trump knows that Christianity has helped democracy and not hindered it.

One of the reasons why Bill Clinton, Obama, and Hillary is against Christianity is that they are against democracy and our Constitution. They, and a lot of liberals, are either Socialist or Communists.
 

30 minutes ago, Ronda said:

I wonder if most realize that the SAME arguments were being made many years ago against Ronald Reagan when he was running for office as are made about Trump today? He was divorced, he was a former movie celebrity, he wasn't the world's best "poster child" for Christianity, etc, etc.

For the above reason stated by Ronda, some Christians would not vote for Ronald Reagan.

Ronald Reagan was hounded by the press continually, hated by the liberals, condemned by many liberal churches, and the list could go on.

Regards,

Alan

[swathdiver 1,754]

Alan, Christians are not to yoke with unbelievers.  Therefore, they should not vote for any heathen/lost person as they serve their father, the devil.  It is our responsibility to occupy till he comes, to cultivate and promote and elect candidates with a biblical testimony of salvation.

Several years ago I researched each member of the House and Senate and President's Cabinet and came up with 2 people who were saved the bible's way.  I have heard from folks here that Trump has heard a biblical presentation of the Good News and how to partake in it.  I have not heard whether or not he's accepted Christ as Lord and Savior.  Some time last year he stated that he had nothing to repent of and no need of being born-again.  Several years before that he bloviated that the Presbyterian religion was great and wonderful and so on.  

Just as liberals previously suffered from BDS and PDS, they are already suffering from TDS, Trump Derangement Syndrome.  They will continually lie and attack him from now til their deaths.  A truly hope the man gets saved, wins his family for Christ, including his Jewish son-in-law and wife, and shares the good news from the oval office with the American people.

Can you imagine the positive impact such would have had for black folks and many liberal democrats if Obama had accepted Christ while in office?

Edited August 11, 2016 by swathdiver

[Alan 3,174]

When an saint uses his constitutional right as an American to vote he is not yoking up with an unbeliever.

 

 

[swathdiver 1,754]

I'm sorry Alan, I reject such a premise entirely.  How can a man rule well (Honor God) if he's a drunkard, an adulterer and a child of the devil?  How can a Christian vote for a child of the devil, it makes no sense to me from the standpoint of the bible.  It makes no sense to vote for someone to represent our nation who serves his father, the devil.  

[Alan 3,174]

I understand what you are thinking and agree up to a point.

I tend to think that voting is a privilege that God has blessed our country with. I have been in countries where the saints do not have the privilege to vote (or it is heavily suppressed). So, I am going to use that privilege to try and get the best person in office that I can. I fully understand the type of individuals running for office in these last days and abhor their personal and spiritual lives. It is a difficult task indeed to determine who to vote for in just about every election.

When a saint votes for a public office he is not yoking himself with that individual; he is voting for his policies.

I tried to bring out some good points whereof Mr. Trump could be of a benefit to our country in the area of economic health. Due to the fiscal irresponsibility of Clinton and the Obama administration, our country is being destroyed by  wanton economic indiscretion.

I am of the opinion, as I previously brought out, that Trump could help our country economically. And, that is why I feel he is worthy of of our consideration for President. And, I am not of the persuasion that voting for him is being yoked with an unbeliever.

Nor do I want to get in a verbal heated discussion over this matter with my friends.

Alan

 

[John Young 526]

I think the best candidate would also be a brother in Christ with conservative and constitutional principles but unfortunately we are well past that now. All we have left are worldly people. While we are not to yolk up with the world in marriage and church ministry, voting for president is something we do with all Americans. Not just the Christian ones. For Christians in national and business cooperation I think Paul would agree that it is okay to interact and support to the extent that such a person will allow us to continue our work in peace. I think Trump is a fascist, working for his own interest, and does not understand/care about our constitution but one that will not try to suppress (maybe even help) the churches. Whereas Clinton will most certainly advocate for spiritual intrusion into churches on behalf of groups who are "Sons of Belial". I'm currently watching the third party libertarian and constitution parties and if they can get any traction into the system I may support one of those parties. Otherwise its Trump. Clinton is out of the question for me.

1 Corinthians 5:9-10 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators: 10 yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.

Edited August 12, 2016 by John Young

[Alan 3,174]

3 hours ago, John Young said:

1 Corinthians 5:9-10 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators: 10 yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.

The Apostle Paul knows the wickedness of this world and the wickedness of the kings (politicians), of this world. For now, in my understanding, Trump is only viable candidate that can help our country economically. Until the Lord takes us home, our governments are going to get worse.

3 hours ago, John Young said:

For Christians in national and business cooperation I think Paul would agree that it is okay to interact and support to the extent that such a person will allow us to continue our work in peace.

 

3 hours ago, John Young said:

I think Trump is a fascist, working for his own interest, and does not understand/care about our constitution but one that will not try to suppress (maybe even help) the churches.

In my estimation, Trump will not suppress the churches as Obama has and Hillary will. Trump, I think, will possibly even restore some liberties that the churches have had previously.

John Young said it better than I can say it. 

Alan

[Invicta 1,527]

In my estimation, Trump is unstable and would be a danger to US and world security. 

[Jim_Alaska 2,091]

18 hours ago, Alan said:

I understand what you are thinking and agree up to a point.

I tend to think that voting is a privilege that God has blessed our country with. I have been in countries where the saints do not have the privilege to vote (or it is heavily suppressed). So, I am going to use that privilege to try and get the best person in office that I can. I fully understand the type of individuals running for office in these last days and abhor their personal and spiritual lives. It is a difficult task indeed to determine who to vote for in just about every election.

When a saint votes for a public office he is not yoking himself with that individual; he is voting for his policies.

I tried to bring out some good points whereof Mr. Trump could be of a benefit to our country in the area of economic health. Due to the fiscal irresponsibility of Clinton and the Obama administration, our country is being destroyed by  wanton economic indiscretion.

I am of the opinion, as I previously brought out, that Trump could help our country economically. And, that is why I feel he is worthy of of our consideration for President. And, I am not of the persuasion that voting for him is being yoked with an unbeliever.

Nor do I want to get in a verbal heated discussion over this matter with my friends.

Alan

 

Secular, but true.

"If you do not take an interest in the affairs of your government, then you are doomed to live under the rule of fools."     Plato

[Alan 3,174]

All I am saying is that if we have the privilege to vote we need to use it to the best of our ability.

In this instance, Trump is the best man for the job of President. He will help our country economically and help maintain our religious freedoms.

In my estimation, Trump is stable enough to govern the United States, is not a danger to world security, and intelligent enough to help our country out of the economic and immigration debacle we are currently in.

 

[Alan 3,174]

"Politics are a part of religion in such a country as this, and Christians must do their duty to the country as a part of their duty to God … Christians seem to act as if they thought God did not see what they do in politics. But I tell you, He does see it, and He will bless or curse this nation, according to the course they take."

Charles Finney, 1792-1875

 

[Alan 3,174]

I want to thank all those who liked the discussion, and all those who participated in some way, in order to help all of us make some difficult decisions.

[1Timothy115 795]

Three things would have caused me not to vote for Trump...

1. If he favors abortion.

2. If he favors same sex marriage.

3. If he favors liberal Supreme Court Justices.

So, I voted on Nov. 1, my birthday, for Mr. Trump as POTUS.

[Ukulelemike 3,551]

On ‎8‎/‎11‎/‎2016 at 10:04 AM, swathdiver said:

Alan, Christians are not to yoke with unbelievers.  Therefore, they should not vote for any heathen/lost person as they serve their father, the devil.  It is our responsibility to occupy till he comes, to cultivate and promote and elect candidates with a biblical testimony of salvation.

Several years ago I researched each member of the House and Senate and President's Cabinet and came up with 2 people who were saved the bible's way.  I have heard from folks here that Trump has heard a biblical presentation of the Good News and how to partake in it.  I have not heard whether or not he's accepted Christ as Lord and Savior.  Some time last year he stated that he had nothing to repent of and no need of being born-again.  Several years before that he bloviated that the Presbyterian religion was great and wonderful and so on.  

Just as liberals previously suffered from BDS and PDS, they are already suffering from TDS, Trump Derangement Syndrome.  They will continually lie and attack him from now til their deaths.  A truly hope the man gets saved, wins his family for Christ, including his Jewish son-in-law and wife, and shares the good news from the oval office with the American people.

Can you imagine the positive impact such would have had for black folks and many liberal democrats if Obama had accepted Christ while in office?

I dunno, God ordained a lot of ungodly men as king in Israel and Judah, and even the best ones, like David (murderer and adulterer) had problems.

Voting for an unsaved man is not yoking with anyone-it is considering the best of the two, the one who will more likely uphold the laws of the land, (their job), and leave the final results to the Lord. Then, once someone is chosen, we are to follow them insofar as we are not told to walk outside the Bible's boundaries. The Lord ordains the powers that be.

[John Young 526]

9 minutes ago, John Young said:

Well Donald Trump will be our 45th president. I did not vote for him but I accept that he will be our president. I will be praying for him and our country. Please pray with me that he will seek God's face, lead in a godly way, and that he will gather to himself, and listen to, wise counselors. 

 

[Rosie 545]

Dr Dobson said Trump accepted Christ as Saviour, we sure do need to pray for him... I believe he will make a better president than the alternative

[John Young 526]

2 minutes ago, Rosie said:

Dr Dobson said Trump accepted Christ as Saviour, we sure do need to pray for him... I believe he will make a better president than the alternative

Dr. Dobson's statements were refuted and Trump has never made a public confession as of yet. That said he claims he will be a good friend of Christians.

[Rosie 545]

thank you John

[Alan 3,174]

Brethren,

"I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions and giving of thanks, be made for all men; For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty." 1 Timothy  2:1 and 2

May we pray that God will bless President Donald Trump and those in authority over us.

May we pray that President Trump, and our civic leaders, will be protected as they lead our country and to give them courage to abide by the Constitution of the United States of America and to do the will of God in matters for the betterment, and safety, of our country. 

I want to thank God for President Trump, and those in authority over us, and pray for their well-being.

 

http://video.foxnews.com/v/5290700957001/?#sp=show-clips

 

Psalm 133:1, "Behold, how good and how pleasant it is for brethren to dwell together in unity!"

 

May God bless all of you.

Alan

Edited January 21, 2017 by Alan
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[Rosie 545]

I pray for them many times a day and will continue...

[John Young 526]

 

This is my "vise" president!   Amen?
 

vise

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noun: vice; plural noun: vices; noun: vise; plural noun: vises

1. a metal tool with movable jaws that are used to hold an object firmly in place while work is done on it, typically attached to a workbench.

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Edited January 21, 2017 by John Young