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Mid Tribulation fleeing of Israel

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11 hours ago, Eric Stahl said:

Israel will not give up her nukes. She will blow away Syria Isaiah 17 and Egypt Isaiah19.And all her neighbors Psalm 83. Israel 's glory will be made thin also Isaiah17  so the antichrist will come to help Daniel 11:36-45.

 

Obadiah :18

18 And the house of Jacob shall be a fire, and the house of Joseph a flame, and the house of Esau for stubble, and they shall kindle in them, and devour them; and there shall not be any remaining of the house of Esau; for the LORD hath spoken it.

I doubt if Israel would escape from damaging herfself if she used nuclear bombs on her neighbours, from radiation and electrical failure.

 

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11 hours ago, Invicta said:

I doubt if Israel would escape from damaging herfself if she used nuclear bombs on her neighbours, from radiation and electrical failure.

 

 

11 hours ago, Invicta said:

I doubt if Israel would escape from damaging herfself if she used nuclear bombs on her neighbours, from radiation and electrical failure.

 

  The House of Esau was the nation of Edom, which was in what's now the nation of Jordan. But I don't believe the antichrist will be involved in the Gog-Magog war; it'll catch him by surprise & will be over before he can act.

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3 hours ago, robycop3 said:

 

  The House of Esau was the nation of Edom, which was in what's now the nation of Jordan. But I don't believe the antichrist will be involved in the Gog-Magog war; it'll catch him by surprise & will be over before he can act.

The Idumeans in the first century were the Edomites. They were incorporated in the Jewish religion.  Herod was an Idumean, possibly part Jewiah,  I don't know. The Idumeans took part in the Jewish revolt against the Romans in AD 66-70.  

 

 

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7 hours ago, robycop3 said:

 

  The House of Esau was the nation of Edom, which was in what's now the nation of Jordan. But I don't believe the antichrist will be involved in the Gog-Magog war; it'll catch him by surprise & will be over before he can act.

Antichrist will come to help Israel after the Psalm 83 war, and will move from Egypt to Israel to set up his camp when he hears the Russians and Persians are coming.

Daniel 11:42-45

42 He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape.

43 But he shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt: and the Libyans and the Ethiopians shall be at his steps.

44 But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him: therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many.

45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.

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3 hours ago, Invicta said:

The Idumeans in the first century were the Edomites. They were incorporated in the Jewish religion.  Herod was an Idumean, possibly part Jewiah,  I don't know. The Idumeans took part in the Jewish revolt against the Romans in AD 66-70.  

 

 

Esau or the Palistians helped the Babylonians and will all die for it.

Obadiah 1:9-11

9 And thy mighty men, O Teman, shall be dismayed, to the end that every one of the mount of Esau may be cut off by slaughter.

10 For thy violence against thy brother Jacob shame shall cover thee, and thou shalt be cut off for ever.

11 In the day that thou stoodest on the other side, in the day that the strangers carried away captive his forces, and foreigners entered into his gates, and cast lots upon Jerusalem, even thou wast as one of them.

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52 minutes ago, Eric Stahl said:

Esau or the Palistians helped the Babylonians and will all die for it.

Obadiah 1:9-11

9 And thy mighty men, O Teman, shall be dismayed, to the end that every one of the mount of Esau may be cut off by slaughter.

10 For thy violence against thy brother Jacob shame shall cover thee, and thou shalt be cut off for ever.

11 In the day that thou stoodest on the other side, in the day that the strangers carried away captive his forces, and foreigners entered into his gates, and cast lots upon Jerusalem, even thou wast as one of them.

  Well, ACTUALLY, the Palestinians are the descendants of the old Philistines, Israel & Judah's ancient enemy. "Palestinian" is Latin for "Philistine".

 

   I don't know if any descendants of the Edomites are left in Jordan today or not. Jordan was one of the first Arab states to make peace with Israel, and there hasn't been any problem with Israel since the 1967 war, when Israel took back the West Bank from Jordan, which renounced all claims for it in 1988. There's no sign of trouble developing between Jordan & Israel, so the Edomites may already be extinct. (As well as the Moabites & Ammonites)

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Actually, while some claim heritage from the Philistines there is no proof of such. The Palestinians are of mixed Arab heritage.

The name Palestinian was a Roman invention to try to suggest the land was linked to the Philistines, and thereby break the Hebrew link to the land.

It didn't work, but they are still trying it.

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As for the Nation of Jordan, it has the mountains of Edom, and the city of Amman which gets its name from the Ammonites, and the signs of the Kingdom of Jordan have written on them "the Hashemite kingdom".

That is today.... make of that what you will.

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On 4/6/2019 at 12:05 PM, robycop3 said:

 

  The House of Esau was the nation of Edom, which was in what's now the nation of Jordan. But I don't believe the antichrist will be involved in the Gog-Magog war; it'll catch him by surprise & will be over before he can act.

The Idumeans in the first century were the Edomites. They were incorporated in the Jewish religion.  Herod was an Idumean, possibly part Jewiah,  I don't know. The Idumeans took part in the Jewish revolt against the Romans in AD 66-70.  

 

 

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I think it was Mark Twain who wrote when  he visited the land, that it was barren and devoid of inhabitants.  William Whiston  who translated Josephus in the 1700's wrote that the land was practically empty, awaiting the return of its people.. 

 

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16 hours ago, DaveW said:

As for the Nation of Jordan, it has the mountains of Edom, and the city of Amman which gets its name from the Ammonites, and the signs of the Kingdom of Jordan have written on them "the Hashemite kingdom".

That is today.... make of that what you will.

I couldn't make anything of it as I had always wondered why it was Hashemite, so I searched and found this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hashemites

It seems Saudi was Hashemite till the Saud family overthrew them.

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On 4/6/2019 at 11:22 PM, DaveW said:

Actually, while some claim heritage from the Philistines there is no proof of such. The Palestinians are of mixed Arab heritage.

The name Palestinian was a Roman invention to try to suggest the land was linked to the Philistines, and thereby break the Hebrew link to the land.

It didn't work, but they are still trying it.

  "Palestinians" was what Hadrian called the Philistines when he gave them the Jews' land, and today's Pals are trying to use that as their claim to that land today, while the Jews use the promises of God that He had given them that land.  From these comes the conflict.

  Seems Jordan welcomes friendship with Israel for protection. While Jordan has a population of over 10 million, its military isn't nearly as strong as Israel's, and Jordan has many Shia Muslim enemies, with Jordan's being almost-entirely Sunni. Whether or not Jordan participates in the Gog-Magog war remains to be seen.

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On 4/8/2019 at 9:40 AM, robycop3 said:

  "Palestinians" was what Hadrian called the Philistines when he gave them the Jews' land, and today's Pals are trying to use that as their claim to that land today, while the Jews use the promises of God that He had given them that land.  From these comes the conflict.

  Seems Jordan welcomes friendship with Israel for protection. While Jordan has a population of over 10 million, its military isn't nearly as strong as Israel's, and Jordan has many Shia Muslim enemies, with Jordan's being almost-entirely Sunni. Whether or not Jordan participates in the Gog-Magog war remains to be seen.

This is just wrong for the plain reason that in the time of Hadrian (2nd century) there were NO philistines. The nation had been long gone by this time. The Palestinians CLAIM heritage but there is no evidence as to which people today came from the philistines.

Hadrian named the place Palestina in order to break the Israeli link with the land, not to give it to anyone else.

 

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17 hours ago, DaveW said:

This is just wrong for the plain reason that in the time of Hadrian (2nd century) there were NO philistines. The nation had been long gone by this time. The Palestinians CLAIM heritage but there is no evidence as to which people today came from the philistines.

Hadrian named the place Palestina in order to break the Israeli link with the land, not to give it to anyone else.

 

DaveW is correct.

The word 'Palestina,' and its modern day equivalent, 'Palestine' and 'the Palestinians' are all political in an effort to force the Jews off their land.

Furthermore, if you read the modern Replacement Theology writers, and men like Philip Mauro and Steven Anderson, they also refer to the land of Israel as Palestine in an effort to say the land belongs to the 'Palestinians' and not to the Jews.                                                                     

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  Well, ACTUALLY, with all due respect, gentlemen, the Philistines became part of the Achaemenid (Old Persian)m empire & were still around while the Jews were still in exile in  Babylon. many of them were still skilled metal workers as they'd been while Israel and Judah were free. As they believed themselves of Mycenaean descent, they helped the Greex & Macedonians against the Persians, but later some of them began to identify themselves as Persians.

   And we see in Zech. 9:6 there were still Philistines, but their pride has been cut off as God said. The "bastard" in that verse means a mixed people or race, and that has come to pass, as Israel now rules Ashhdod, and it's inhabited by Jews, Palestinians, & Arabs.

 

  But God DID say in Amos 1:8 that the Philistines would be wiped out. So, WHO inhabited Judea after Hadrian expelled the Jews? The Palmyrene empire, a branch of Persians centered in Palmyra, took control of the area til they rebelled against Rome & the Romans re-conquered it in 273 AD. That's  likely where "Palestine" came from, as some of the old Philistines were among them.

 

   But I agree 100% that the modern Pals' claims are bogus, as GOD gave that land to Israel,  a fact that renders all man-made claims null & void. (As we know, that land, & Jerusalem, changed hands many times til WW1 ended & the British took over.)

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So your "proof" that your original statement is correct is that Zechariah mentions Philistines 600 years before Hadrian was around??????

Historians largely agree that there is now no sign of the lineage of the Philistines. There are some theories, but there is no evidence, and Hadrian had nothing to do with the Philistines.

So you "ACTUALLY" is simply total and utter rubbish.

You were wrong about Hadrian with regard to the Philistines.

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On 4/11/2019 at 2:09 PM, DaveW said:

So your "proof" that your original statement is correct is that Zechariah mentions Philistines 600 years before Hadrian was around??????

Historians largely agree that there is now no sign of the lineage of the Philistines. There are some theories, but there is no evidence, and Hadrian had nothing to do with the Philistines.

So you "ACTUALLY" is simply total and utter rubbish.

You were wrong about Hadrian with regard to the Philistines.

  Well, we don't know who the other Israelis are today, but GOD does. And hadrian wasn't stupid; he didn't just pick "Palestine" outta thin air. After all, "Palestine" is still Latin for "Philistia". Since we're not privy to what Hadrian was thinking, we can't just dismiss the idea.

  Much of my idea is based upon Zech. 9: And I will take away his blood out of his mouth, and his abominations from between his teeth: but he that remaineth, even he, shall be for our God, and he shall be as a governor in Judah, and Ekron as a Jebusite.

  Now, Ekron is but an archaeological dig today. But what happened to the Jebusites who were left after david captured Jerusalem from them? Evidently, at least some of them, such as Araunah, their king, & his family, began to worship God, & their posterity was absorbed into the Jews over time, so, according to that Scripture, some Philistines were also absorbed into the Jews,  but they were mostly enemies of the Jews, long as they were a distinct people. But according to Zechariah, a few of them remained, as we can see..

  Among the Pals the Jews have greatly honored is Kamil Hamad, who was instrumental in the cell phone bomb assassination of Pal bombmaker Yahya Ayyash in 1996. While his current ID & location are secret, part of Israel's "witness relocation" plan, he's certainly not living in poverty!

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Trying to confuse the issue with all sorts of extraneous information and changing the subject, but your statement about Hadrian was absolutely wrong, no matter what twist you put on it.

 

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14 hours ago, DaveW said:

Trying to confuse the issue with all sorts of extraneous information and changing the subject, but your statement about Hadrian was absolutely wrong, no matter what twist you put on it.

 

  So, you simply ignore Zechariah?

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On 4/10/2019 at 11:07 PM, Alan said:

 DaveW is correct.

The word 'Palestina,' and its modern day equivalent, 'Palestine' and 'the Palestinians' are all political in an effort to force the Jews off their land.

Furthermore, if you read the modern Replacement Theology writers, and men like Philip Mauro and Steven Anderson, they also refer to the land of Israel as Palestine in an effort to say the land belongs to the 'Palestinians' and not to the Jews.                                                                     

Before 1948 the land was called Palestine.  The British mandate was over the land of Palestine, so Philip Mauro and others were correct in calling it that. I know that Philip was one of the early dispensationalists in New York, but later rejected it as "Dispensational Error."

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14 hours ago, robycop3 said:

  So, you simply ignore Zechariah?

No, not at all, I simply point out that you have changed your "point" every time your error has been pointed out and not admitted that you were wrong - you are just moving a bit to try to get out of it.

4 hours ago, Invicta said:

Before 1948 the land was called Palestine.  The British mandate was over the land of Palestine, so Philip Mauro and others were correct in calling it that. I know that Philip was one of the early dispensationalists in New York, but later rejected it as "Dispensational Error."

No one is denying the name itself - the discussion was based around the purpose for the renaming, where Roby said it was because Hadrian wanted to give it to the Palestinians, who at the time of Hadrian were no longer in existence, so his statement was totally impossible.

Your normal link of the name "Palestine" to the people who now claim that name is irrelevant to the discussion and in any case they are not and never were Palestiniains. The majority are in fact of Jordanian heritage, and not Palestinian at all.

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11 hours ago, DaveW said:

No one is denying the name itself - the discussion was based around the purpose for the renaming, where Roby said it was because Hadrian wanted to give it to the Palestinians, who at the time of Hadrian were no longer in existence, so his statement was totally impossible.

Yes I agree with you there.

 

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11 hours ago, DaveW said:

Your normal link of the name "Palestine" to the people who now claim that name is irrelevant to the discussion and in any case they are not and never were Palestiniains. The majority are in fact of Jordanian heritage, and not Palestinian at all.

I didn't intend to link the name to the current people.  Before 1948 the Jews in the country were called Palestinians as they were living in a land called Palestine.  

However I think there is something wrong with your reasoning.  According to your reasoning, you are not Australian because you are (prbably) of European origim, or I am not English as thr original inhabitants were Britons, and so on.   .

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Not at all. The overwhelming majority of these people were moved into the are during the various land grabs since the establishment of the modern nation of Israel.

Prior to the return of Jews to that area around the beginning of the 1900's (yes there were a small number of people including Jews in the region prior to that time) there was hardly anyone in the land and pretty much nobody wanted it as it was mostly barren.

It was the returning Israelites that greened the land, and since they made it green the Arabs in the surrounding areas decided it was worth having. 

So by fact of position they are today Israelie because that is where they live, but today the area is not officially called Palestine. And their heritage is largely Jordanian, Lebanese, etc.

They are Israelie. They pay taxes to the Israelie government. They get financial support from the Israelie government. Their fire service is provided by the Israelie government. Their hospitals are provided for by the Israelie government. Their schools are supported by the Israelie government. They vote in Israelie elections.

They are not Palestinian at all. They are Israelie of various Arab backgrounds. And most have been in the land for no more than two generations. The oldest among them would remember coming into the land since 1948.

The problems stem from one simple fact: the Muslim Arabs as a group want Israel to cease to exist.

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22 hours ago, DaveW said:

Not at all. The overwhelming majority of these people were moved into the are during the various land grabs since the establishment of the modern nation of Israel.

Prior to the return of Jews to that area around the beginning of the 1900's (yes there were a small number of people including Jews in the region prior to that time) there was hardly anyone in the land and pretty much nobody wanted it as it was mostly barren.

It was the returning Israelites that greened the land, and since they made it green the Arabs in the surrounding areas decided it was worth having. 

So by fact of position they are today Israelie because that is where they live, but today the area is not officially called Palestine. And their heritage is largely Jordanian, Lebanese, etc.

They are Israelie. They pay taxes to the Israelie government. They get financial support from the Israelie government. Their fire service is provided by the Israelie government. Their hospitals are provided for by the Israelie government. Their schools are supported by the Israelie government. They vote in Israelie elections.

They are not Palestinian at all. They are Israelie of various Arab backgrounds. And most have been in the land for no more than two generations. The oldest among them would remember coming into the land since 1948.

The problems stem from one simple fact: the Muslim Arabs as a group want Israel to cease to exist.

Thank you I agree with that, but that doesn't address the point that before 1948 the land was called Palestine.  After 1917 when Allenby led his horse into Jerusalem the British ruled Palestine and Jordan, then called Trans Jordan. Before  December 1917  the whole area was ruled by the Turks and the Sultan (aka The Sublime Porte) was also Sultan of Egypt.  

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