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Why are Christians voting for Donald Trump?

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Unfortunately at this time, Trump is the only chance the country has to correct the downward spiral of the Obama-nation currently in office IMO.

Any other republican regardless of who, stands no chance to defeat Hillary in November.

If Hillary gets in, kiss your freedom to serve Christ goodbye along with every other freedom you still enjoy.

Whatever peeves us about Trump has to take a back seat at this point in history. Make no mistake, this country and our way of life cannot survive Hillary or Sanders not after that obamanation has already turned right to wrong and up to down and has inflicted serious damage setting us on a path to self destruction.

Would Cruz be a more Godly example and leader, probably but that ain't the point folks. Cruz has no chance against Hillary or even sanders.

Trump has awakened over 50% of the voting eligible public. These are people who have rarely if ever voted simply because they hate and distrust all politicians.

If Trump isn't given the nod, then that huge, overwhelming voter base will simply go back to sleep and Hillary will win...mark my words

 

 

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1 hour ago, Invicta said:

I dont understand US politics, but it seems to me that Trump is unstable and could lead the world into war, and I think we would lose it.

The same was said of Reagan, Clinton, Bush, Obama. What presidents actually end up doing is often much different than the hype.

As it currently stands, Europe (including England) is losing the war already and Muslims are already proclaiming victory and celebrating. America is only a matter of years, or at best decades away from the same. At some point there will need to be what many will consider drastic changes in order for Europe and/or America to survive. Otherwise, both will be lose.

Who will fill the role of Charles Martel, if at all, is unknown at this time.

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Martel was of a Catholic Family and they were conned by the Papacy who showed the Carolingens forged documents such as the Donation of Constantine and various forged decretals, to claim that Peter had the Bishops of Rome as his successors and Constantine named them the successors to him. These gullible princes believed him and gave power to the Bishop of Rome.  That was the beginning of papal agrandissement.  True he turned the Islamic tide, but mostly as far as I can see as far as I can see,his wars were against other dukes of his own family.  Then they built up papal power .Islam or Inquisition?  The Bogomils had that choice and decide to live under the Turks, who allowed them to practice their faith, at least for a while.

His son was Pepin le Bref (The short)   Pepin in modern French is pip or seed. So we could call him Little Pip .

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8 hours ago, John81 said:

I think you got the gist of my post.

Yes but you could say the same about many others such as Napolean or Hitler. Napolean founded republics all over Europe. That in Spain lasted until Franco with the help of Hitler and Mussolini overthrew it in the Spanish Civil War.  The French of course have had republics ever since, 1789.  I think they are on their fifth one now. 

 

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2 hours ago, Invicta said:

God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah, and the West has been turned into one giant Sodom. We are overdue for judgment. It will ne no use relying on any weapons if God is against us.

Dear "Invicta", I emboldened a couple of words above ("we" and "us") out of your statement for discussion purposes. I agree with PARTof your statement, just not all of it.  God did destroy Sodom and Gomorrah, He hates these sexual perversions of all forms and He has given them over to a reprobate mind.  Yes, the unbelieving world IS due for the wrath of God, God will not be mocked and that's exactly what the unbelieving world is doing right now, and in my own opinion on a scale larger than I have ever seen, or should I say escalating exponentially. But I don't include "we" or "us" in this wrath.  I (myself) am saved by grace in the faith and belief in Jesus Christ alone for eternal salvation, and I pray you are also.  So where you believe (if I understand you correctly, is that you think the events in Revelation have already happened?) I believe they have not yet.  I believe "we" (saved by grace in the age of grace) will NOT be going through the wrath of God. Jesus has delivered us from the wrath to come (1 Thes. 1:10). I do not believe that "we" are going to have any part in the wrath to come (Rev. 6:16-17). And I certainly do not believe God is against "us" (saved). However, He is against this sinful wicked world and His wrath WILL come upon it. 

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As for Mr. Trump... he has SAID he is a Christian on one occasion that I know of (could be more I don't know) . Then again he has SAID many things which were shown to be following whatever way the wind was blowing at the moment. He has switched parties numerous times, he has contributed vast amounts of money to both past Clinton's campaigns. Then again so did Mr. B. Hussein Obama (say he was a Christian), but then again they have verses in the qu'ran which tell them it's fine to lie (if it promotes the cause of islam) and there is even a specific verse in the qu'ran which tells them it's okay to lie UNDER OATH! Talk about a religion which comes straight from the devil!!!    

I would prefer another of the candidates, BUT even he is not what I would truly consider to be a man who places serving God first and foremost in his life... no politician does because they ALL take bribes ("campaign contributions") and are then influenced by the money they received to align favorably to certain groups/peoples. They may claim to have certain moral values, but I have yet to see a politician who made good on his campaign promises. All that said, I know which party I will be voting for come November (God willing... IF I am still here and IF there is an election, which are big "IFS" in my mind). So (God willing) I will do my duty to vote, but it will likely be more of a vote "against" a particular candidate rather than voting "for" someone I truly think reveres the Lord (because I don't think ANY of them truly do). I know this nation cannot abide another liberal socialist much less a communist, and that is who I will be voting against.  And it grieves me to hear pastors and teachers make a stand/endorse men like Mr. Trump. But then again, I am not surprised these days by much of anything. Even IF there is an election and even IF I am still here come November, I can't imagine how any president could (even in part) "undo" the damage that has already been done. There is no hope in mankind. My hope resides in Jesus and in the blessed hope in Jesus!  I truly believe these are the last hours of the age of grace. Maranatha!

 

 

 

 

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John, As for Martel pushing the Muslims back, so did Russia and Britain in the form of the Turks, from the early 1800s until 1917 when Allenby marched into Jerusalem.  Up to the 1840s Turkey had limited the Jews living in Jerusalem to 500 and Britain forced her to lift that restriction.  If I remember correctly it was in 1848.

But I think we have lifted the white flag now.

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29 minutes ago, Ronda said:

 

Dear "Invicta", I emboldened a couple of words above ("we" and "us") out of your statement for discussion purposes. I agree with PARTof your statement, just not all of it.  God did destroy Sodom and Gomorrah, He hates these sexual perversions of all forms and He has given them over to a reprobate mind.  Yes, the unbelieving world IS due for the wrath of God, God will not be mocked and that's exactly what the unbelieving world is doing right now, and in my own opinion on a scale larger than I have ever seen, or should I say escalating exponentially. But I don't include "we" or "us" in this wrath.  I (myself) am saved by grace in the faith and belief in Jesus Christ alone for eternal salvation, and I pray you are also.  So where you believe (if I understand you correctly, is that you think the events in Revelation have already happened?) I believe they have not yet.  I believe "we" (saved by grace in the age of grace) will NOT be going through the wrath of God. Jesus has delivered us from the wrath to come (1 Thes. 1:10). I do not believe that "we" are going to have any part in the wrath to come (Rev. 6:16-17). And I certainly do not believe God is against "us" (saved). However, He is against this sinful wicked world and His wrath WILL come upon it. 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

As for Mr. Trump... he has SAID he is a Christian on one occasion that I know of (could be more I don't know) . Then again he has SAID many things which were shown to be following whatever way the wind was blowing at the moment. He has switched parties numerous times, he has contributed vast amounts of money to both past Clinton's campaigns. Then again so did Mr. B. Hussein Obama, but then again they have verses in the qu'ran which tell them it's fine to lie (if it promotes the cause of islam) and there is even a specific verse in the qu'ran which tells them it's okay to lie UNDER OATH! Talk about a religion which comes straight from the devil!!!    

I would prefer another of the candidates, BUT even he is not what I would truly consider to be a man who places serving God first and foremost in his life... no politician does because they ALL take bribes ("campaign contributions") and are then influenced by the money they received to align favorably to certain groups/peoples. They may claim to have certain moral values, but I have yet to see a politician who made good on his campaign promises. All that said, I know which party I will be voting for come November (God willing... IF I am still here and IF there is an election, which are big "IFS" in my mind). So (God willing) I will do my duty to vote, but it will likely be more of a vote "against" a particular candidate rather than voting "for" someone I truly think reveres the Lord (because I don't think ANY of them truly do). I know this nation cannot abide another liberal socialist much less a communist, and that is who I will be voting against.  And it grieves me to hear pastors and teachers make a stand/endorse men like Mr. Trump. But then again, I am not surprised these days by much of anything. Even IF there is an election and even IF I am still here come November, I can't imagine how any president could (even in part) "undo" the damage that has already been done. There is no hope in mankind. My hope resides in Jesus and in the blessed hope in Jesus!  I truly believe these are the last hours of the age of grace. Maranatha!

Dear Ronda.  My name is David.  I don't believe that all of Revelation is fulfilled.  I believe it is the history of the church written in advance in picture form.  Certainly the church going through the centuries of tribulation considered it so and it comforted them in their tribulations which many throughout the world are still going through, N Korea in particular.  They knew from reading those scriptures that God is in control.  God didn't take Christians out of the Blitz in London, or Dresden or Hiroshima and Nagasaki.  In Nagasaki there was a British POW prison with believers as well as unbelievers.  Why are they so different from us?  Is it just because we have gone soft.  The wrath that we will not go through is Hell, because Jesus went there for us.

As to Trump heard him say "I am a Christian. I have got a bible."

 

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3 hours ago, Invicta said:

Yes but you could say the same about many others such as Napolean or Hitler. Napolean founded republics all over Europe. That in Spain lasted until Franco with the help of Hitler and Mussolini overthrew it in the Spanish Civil War.  The French of course have had republics ever since, 1789.  I think they are on their fifth one now. 

 

I was referring to the need for someone to take necessary steps to end the Muslim invasion and corruption of Europe and America.

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3 hours ago, Invicta said:

God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah, and the West has been turned into one giant Sodom. We are overdue for judgment. It will ne no use relying on any weapons if God is against us.

It's time we take seriously our personal pursuit of holiness, the sharing of the Gospel and making disciples in our own countries. We need to take a stand for Christ, proclaim Jesus as the one and only way, declare the false nature and danger of Islam various forms of paganism, etc.

The Muslim invasion of Europe is very much akin to what we see in the Old Testament when Israel would turn from God and the Lord would send forth heathen hoards to overrun them.

In Europe and America good is called evil and evil is called good and we are reaping the ill rewards of such.

Most preachers, most Christians, are too fearful of persecution to live and speak openly and honestly for Christ.

America's last two presidents, both professing to be Christians, have publicly promoted the lie that Islam is a religion of peace, that Christianity and Islam are equal, that Christians and Muslims worship the same God.

Where are the men of God who will step forth and speak truth in this hour of need?

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4 minutes ago, John81 said:

I was referring to the need for someone to take necessary steps to end the Muslim invasion and corruption of Europe and America.

Yes John I realized that in the beginning but forgot it but tried to correct in my post about the Turks.

The Serbs have said they will only accept Christians, but the Serbs are Orthodox and probably not keen on evangelical Christians,

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36 minutes ago, Invicta said:

John, As for Martel pushing the Muslims back, so did Russia and Britain in the form of the Turks, from the early 1800s until 1917 when Allenby marched into Jerusalem.  Up to the 1840s Turkey had limited the Jews living in Jerusalem to 500 and Britain forced her to lift that restriction.  If I remember correctly it was in 1848.

But I think we have lifted the white flag now.

Indeed, we used to take a stand and fight against invading foreign threats but today we open the doors and not only welcome them in, we tax our own citizens and give money and hand-outs to the invaders which helps enable them to conquer our lands and spread their false religion.

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Trouble is, most of the people pouring into Europe are fleeing from instability due to the West interfering in their affairs.  Most of the overthrown dictators did not interfere too much with Christians. 

When we leave the EU the French have threatened to scrap the agreement whereby they allow the British Border Force to vet people in the French docks.   

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3 hours ago, Invicta said:

Trouble is, most of the people pouring into Europe are fleeing from instability due to the West interfering in their affairs.  Most of the overthrown dictators did not interfere too much with Christians. 

When we leave the EU the French have threatened to scrap the agreement whereby they allow the British Border Force to vet people in the French docks.   

This is because we have lost our center. In times past when Western nations interfered somewhere they didn't open their doors to those who wanted to run from the area. Now we do. The West also used to interfere with the intention of insuring a strong governing leadership in place to keep the people in line and help secure the best interests of the West. Today the West goes into countries and removes strong, stabilizing leadership, sets up weak governments, expects tossing around money and offering what is seen as "Western decadence" to make all the people suddenly become like people of the West. Then when things fall apart we run around like chickens with their heads cut off and these other people take advantage of the chaos to invade the West and thwart the West wherever they can.

Thinking ourselves wise we have become fools.

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Which one of you is running for President of The United States? I need to know so I don’t waste my time voting for one of the sinners now running for nomination. 

After reading many of these posts I see it would be impossible for me to vote for my choice, Ted Cruz. I apologize in advance, I’ll explain. I thought that Ted Cruz would be the best at defending my stand on God’s Word and my faith in Jesus Christ. I didn’t understand that his personal faith and understanding of scripture would cause my spiritual life and faith to be permanently seared. I didn’t understand that Ted Cruz had not reached the perfection required for consideration as president.

So, please, tell me which one of you has the perfection required for U.S. president so that I might write in your name without feeling I’ve let my Savior down by voting for someone who doesn’t pass your test.
 

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On 3/2/2016 at 11:27 AM, No Nicolaitans said:

Many Christians will vote for Trump for the same reason they voted for Obama...

...to please their flesh.

Horseradish! I love how some of you are so in tuned to the motives of Christians. I'll tell you why I'm voting for Trump. Its because he's the only one who isn't another phony politician, except for maybe Carson, out of the bunch. And now that Carson has dropped out Trump has my vote.

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1 minute ago, Critical Mass said:

Horseradish! I love how some of you are so in tuned to the motives of Christians. I'll tell you why I'm voting for Trump. Its because he's the only one who isn't another phony politician, except for maybe Carson, out of the bunch. And now that Carson has dropped out Trump has my vote.

Worcestershire Sauce!

So there are no Christians who will vote for Trump because he appeals to their flesh? Your own stated reason for voting for Trump is a fleshly reason...nothing about his stance, his agenda, his proposals...you're voting for him for the well-thought-out, well-researched, and well-weighed reason of...because he's not another phony politician.

By the way, for whoever is reading this, I'm not putting anyone down who wants to vote for Trump. All I did was make a factual statement that many Christians will vote for him because he appeals to their flesh. Many Christians won't. Many Christians will vote for other candidates for the same reason. Many won't.

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4 hours ago, No Nicolaitans said:

Worcestershire Sauce!

So there are no Christians who will vote for Trump because he appeals to their flesh? Your own stated reason for voting for Trump is a fleshly reason...nothing about his stance, his agenda, his proposals...you're voting for him for the well-thought-out, well-researched, and well-weighed reason of...because he's not another phony politician.

By the way, for whoever is reading this, I'm not putting anyone down who wants to vote for Trump. All I did was make a factual statement that many Christians will vote for him because he appeals to their flesh. Many Christians won't. Many Christians will vote for other candidates for the same reason. Many won't.

This is a discussion forum and it's good to discuss such things, we don't have to solve the worlds problems, always be right, get everyone to agree with us or change to agree with others.

Most Christians I know, just like most non-Christians, vote more based upon their own preferences (whether very shallow like many, or actually reasoned like a few). It's probably safe to guess that God isn't telling some Christians to vote Carson, Cruz, Paul, Rubio, Trump, or Hillary or Bernie, yet a goodly number of Christians claim this is so.

I will vote this year as others, after much in-depth consideration of the candidates, discussions with others, and prayer.

Outside a miracle, it's already known which Party this States general election delegates will go to. Most States are like that now. There are only a few States at this point in time which are actually up for grabs and that's where the election will ultimately be decided.

Even so, I will cast my ballet which will have no impact upon the national outcome elections but may have a more local impact.

The next president will not correct the mistakes of their predecessors nor restore the country to the confines of the Constitution.

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6 hours ago, 1Timothy115 said:

Which one of you is running for President of The United States?

I may eventually. ^_^ but as it stands now my choice is Cruz. Second would be Kasich mainly because he knows how to run a state. Third would be Rubio. If they all drop out I may look into a third party candidate as a protest vote even though I know they will not win. I doubt I can in good conscience vote Trump even though he would be a better choice over Hilary or Sanders for our country.

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Trump is an immoral pervert. He will never get my vote. Cruz has our vote all the way through. As to the only adult in the room - Cruz never got involved in any of the personal insults. He is trying to highlight the fact that Trump has no real policy plans and sometimes he has to point out things people are ignoring. And when Trump tries to talk over and call him a liar, he has to do something to stop it. His "breathe, Donald, breathe" was perfect, because Trump was acting like what he is: a man-child.

Trump will not win in the general election. He has "won" a number of open primaries by Dems crossing over and voting for him - with the full intent on voting for the Dem in the general.

Again about the only adult...John Kasich told seniors that Congress stole their Social Security money (which is true) and "to get over it". Lovely.

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Everything bad said about trump is probably true. It is obvious he isn't even religious but that is not the point.

Cruz is no more God's man in this election than hillary is. Noone has ever been in the past and none ever will be. Jesus called no one to run in politics, He calls all to lose their interest in this world and follow Him.

Cruz is another politician. Sure his only strength for us is that he claims to follow the Bible. But that main strength is what will ensure his landslide defeat in the general election. Please remember that this is 21st century America, Godless, depraved and self indulged. There will be no miracles occurring for him IMO and there will be no revivals through human government now or ever unless you consider the government created catholic church a revival.

Best keep our eyes fixed on the real prize; to defeat the democrats.

I would vote for Cruz if I thought he had legitimate chance of winning the big one. I am no trump fan but he will be far better for this country than any democrat. That is the best we can hope for.

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I have not said anywhere that Cruz is God's man for this election. However, that does not mean that I ignore biblical principle. I will not have on my conscience casting my vote for a man who has the history of Trump.

Following the Bible is not Cruz' only strength. He also follows the Constitution. THAT is vital in a POTUS.

My eyes are on the real prize: not just defeating the Dems, but putting a true consitutionalist in office. Ted has as legitimate a chance to win as Trump. I disagree that Trump will be any better for this country than a Dem. He will be as bad or worse. And, I'm  sorry, but I disagree that someone that low is the best we can hope for.

 

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3 hours ago, HappyChristian said:

I have not said anywhere that Cruz is God's man for this election. However, that does not mean that I ignore biblical principle. I will not have on my conscience casting my vote for a man who has the history of Trump.

Following the Bible is not Cruz' only strength. He also follows the Constitution. THAT is vital in a POTUS.

My eyes are on the real prize: not just defeating the Dems, but putting a true consitutionalist in office. Ted has as legitimate a chance to win as Trump. I disagree that Trump will be any better for this country than a Dem. He will be as bad or worse. And, I'm  sorry, but I disagree that someone that low is the best we can hope for.

 

 Cruz is a dishonest man. Even Carson has recognized this. Cruz has also asked the party delegates to put aside the vote of the people and nominate him. Who cares what the voters say.

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