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Why are Christians voting for Donald Trump?

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I get that we are not voting for "Pastor in Chief" but with more viable christian, moral, ethical, politically savvy, etc, candidates. Why are preachers and other Christians backing Trump? At first I could not wrap my mind around it but when you realize the majority of these "pastors and Christians" are "Business Christians" who sell christian products and build big christian buildings and run churches as a business; It makes sense that they would chose a depraved business man over the ethical, moral, christian statesman.

I think their justification for this is From the Religious business 101 handbook; 2 Corporations 3:17 Where the spirit of Business practices is, then it must needs trump over religious, moral, and ethical practices.

Is my assessment accurate? If you are a christian and support Trump, why?

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There are many reasons, some of which do touch upon the "we are not voting for Pastor in Chief" arguments. In this, we must realize how many times Christians have been told this by so many Christian leaders and pastors as they tried to get Christians to vote for non-Christian and liberal Republicans. If millions of Christians could be told to vote for the Mormon (non-Christian), liberal Romney is it any stretch for millions of Christians to vote for Trump who calls himself a Christian (who has no testimony of being a born again Christian but then so have many other "Christian Republican" candidates Christians have been told to vote for over the years).

There are also many problems with the other candidates too, ranging from them not being moral Christians, doctrinally sound Christians or even Christian at all. Is it better to vote for those who are good at talking the talk but yet when they are looked at closely they fail the test of walking in true Christianity? Are we to now accept Seventh Day Adventists as being true, good Christians as we were told to accept the Mormon Romney as such?

Support for some candidates by the likes of off-the-wall Mormon Beck, the fraudulent Barton, various Charismatic preachers and others of shady character have turned some Christians away from those candidates.

Some Christians can't in good conscience vote for a woman for president (which is moot at this point for Republicans since Fiorina dropped out). Others can't in good conscience vote for those they firmly believe don't meet the qualifications for president. There are also those who opposed Obama based upon him being a freshman senator with too little experience to be Commander in Chief and they hold the same standard for Republican candidates as well.

Some polls and surveys of Christians (usually called "evangelical Christians") indicate those voting for Trump are doing so because they believe he will stand by his promises to build a wall on the southern border, stand against illegal immigration and amnesty for illegals, work for better international trade deals that would benefit America, that he will build up the American economy, that he will stand strong for the 1st and 2nd Amendments, he will strive to keep us out of foreign wars, etc.

We should consider the broader picture and realize this isn't the first time Christians have voted for a Republican who wasn't a born again Christian, who was Christian in name only, who didn't hold to every view we wished they did.

As with each candidate, there are a variety of reasons why some support and some oppose them.

Knowing that Jesus is Lord, our God works all things together for good, whether Trump, Cruz, Rubio, Hillary or Bernie is the next president, we can rest assured God's will shall be done.

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Hmmm? Let me put on my thinking cap, get a cup of coffee (actually, since I drink tea all the time), get a cup of tea, and ponder over this and how to answer. :coffee2:

First, and foremost on my mind, is that maybe I need to ask the moderators to add a emoticon that is drinking tea. :sign0200:

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2 minutes ago, Alan said:

Hmmm? Let me put on my thinking cap, get a cup of coffee (actually, since I drink tea all the time), get a cup of tea, and ponder over this and how to answer. :coffee2:

First, and foremost on my mind, is that maybe I need to ask the moderators to add a emoticon that is drinking tea. :sign0200:

Hot tea or cold? This could be a cup of hot coffee or hot tea:coffee2: It's it's cold we need a different emoticon.

There are many points we could look at in regards to why Christians vote for Trump or any other candidate. Many on Fox News have spent countless hours trying to given an answer for this.

It might help if we narrowed the focus down to specific Christians rather than Christians in general. As we know, today just about anyone claiming to be Christian is counted as such; including Mormons, JWs, Seventh Day Adventists, and openly homosexual "Christians".

Enjoy your tea and I'll look forward to reading how your pondering turns out.

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55 minutes ago, No Nicolaitans said:

Many Christians will vote for Trump for the same reason they voted for Obama...

...to please their flesh.

That is also a factor. I don't know how big a factor among Christians, but among a certain percentage of others they are attracted to Trump's "celebrity". Some are also attracted to the idea of voting for someone they know the elites don't like so they vote for Trump just to thumb their nose at the establishment. Again, how many Christians fall into that category is hard to say.

Much of the electorate, even among many Christians, base their votes upon emotions, feelings, following the crowd, the appeal of being seen as a rebel, the looks of the candidate, and other points which fail to address at all anything of substance with regards to the candidates.

There were very good reasons the Founders rejected democracy and chose to limit who could vote.

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The way things are looking, I may vote Trump if only to keep Hillary out. But that is of course my flesh speaking.

Rubio and Cruz, the only two who might have a chance against Trump, are both ineligible to run for president-Cruz held a dual citizenship until two years ago, and that makes him ineligible. Rubio, I believe has somewhat the same issue, though now its coming out the he was apparently pretty involved in a lot of homosexual activities and events in the 90's.

The one thing with Trump is that, not being a politician, though he's wealthy, he is still a guy who has worked for a living and been in the civilian world-and as a businessman, he has greater understanding of the real world than politicians who have forgotten anything but government. He is going to do not just what is good for America, but what will be good for him, as a businessman when he gets out, not just what is going to continue to feed him in politics. That means he is going to be pro-business and certain capitalist freedoms, which is good for the country.

These days I have stopped hoping for a good Christian to run the country-honestly I'd be worried about getting a dominionist-type in office, and would rather see who will be best to follow the constitution. Trump may not be a Christian, but I suspect he will be less aggressive against us than any of the other options. However, if he gets the nomination, then he needs to begin to put up some real ideas and plans, not just rhetoric. There are still Libertarian candidates to consider, too.

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1 hour ago, Ukulelemike said:

He is going to do not just what is good for America, but what will be good for him, as a businessman when he gets out, not just what is going to continue to feed him in politics. That means he is going to be pro-business and certain capitalist freedoms, which is good for the country.

These days I have stopped hoping for a good Christian to run the country-honestly I'd be worried about getting a dominionist-type in office, and would rather see who will be best to follow the constitution.

Brethren,

I agree with Ukelelemike on this issue. If there was a strong candidate, who was a  mature, and honest, Christian (not only in word but in deed), that had a chance of defeating Hillary, or the Socialist Sanders, than I would vote for that person.

I personnally cannot stand Donald Trump. I despise him, his attitude, his overbearing nature, his lack of salvation, and his lack of any fear of God.  He loves money, women, and power. Trump uses whatever means that is availible to do what he wants to do. But, and this is an important but, Trump will help our country. Hillary, or Sanders, will either make this country a Socialist country or destroy it.  They will destroy any religious freedom we have left.

In this election I am voting on my patriotism for my country. I love America and the values (what is left of the values), it holds as a country. I feel that the only way to keep America with any sense of freedom (what is left of our freedom), is to keep the Democrats out of the Presidential office and put Donald Trump in the Presidential office.

There is one thing that I discovered in time of war. That there are a lot of men who were not Christian in any sense of the word, be willing to die, and to die, for the the defense of the United States of America. America is one of the last bastions for Freedom left in this world. At least Donald Trump will keep it free (at least partially), and close our borders to illegals, counter the evil deeds of Communist China, keep what religious freedom we have left, and bring back some jobs for Americans.

John Young,

By the way, this is one of the hardest posts I had to post on OnLine Baptist. I do agree with you wholeheartedly. We should vote for a solid, mature, bible believing Christian. But, at this juncture, I cannot see an honest and devout Christian, that has a chance of getting the Presidency, running for the office.

Alan

 

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I hate politics, but unfortunately I had to dive into that cesspool to learn about the candidates who wish to be the leader of my country. Why are so many people wanting to vote for Trump? Besides the reasons listed, I think it's also because his ugly mug is everywhere. Whether someone is plastering his face on the news, web page, blog page, baptist forum, etc, it doesn't matter if they hate him or support him, they are promoting him. All I see are articles/posts/memes about why Trump is going to destroy America or save America. Where are the posts about all the other candidates to balance this out? I rarely hear about the other Republican/Other candidates, for or against, where are their ugly mugs, where are their articles, where are their forum/blog posts?   There is no balance on these candidates, anywhere. Not just in the media, but everywhere. People complain about bias in the media, but then turn around and do the same things. When I first started doing research into the candidates, I was honestly shocked that there were so many people running for President, I hadn't even heard of most of them.  Just out of curiosity, I just now checked my facebook home page and looked at the first five political posts that popped up, whether article, personal feelings, or meme.

1. Trump vs. Hilary - article, only two candidates mentioned

2. Marco Rubio vs Trump - article only two candidates mentioned

3. Meme "If you don't vote, don't complain" - doesn't count, no candidate mentioned

3. Trump - Meme, how evil Trump is, no mention of other candidates

4. Trump - personal post, how evil he is, no mention of other candidates

5. Trump vs Cruz - Meme, compared the two, no mention of other candidates

I almost made the mistake of listing some dude because I was surprised to read a politics article that wasn't about a big-name candidate, but it turned out to be a sports  article, good thing I read it first! ha! But seriously that was only the first five that popped up in my feed...whether people realize they're doing so or not, if they post articles or memes about the candidate they hate and rarely or never mention the candidate they endorse, they are helping to spread the unwanted candidates name/infamy.

Well, since I mentioned Trump, and went on a rant about equality, the other lesser/equal/greater jerks have to be listed, but since February 1st, a bunch of people have dropped out of the race, but these are the candidates that are still running that I know of:

Republicans: John Kasich, Trump, Ben Carson, Marco Rubio, and Ted Cruz

Democrats: Hilary and Sanders

Other: Jill Stein and Gary Johnson

:runforhills:

 

okay, just checked my facebook again, and had to share this latest one (are the other candidates undeserving of their own sockets in which to insert a knife? I think not!):bonk:

 

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Rebecca, your post helps to also point out how easily swayed the electorate is. Simply seeing a candidates face a lot shouldn't impact a voters decision to a great extent but it does. When Trump and Sanders both entered the race each was considered a joke, a side show, a temporary distraction before Bush and Clinton dominated in their own good time. Both Trump and Sanders appealed to certain groups which flocked to him and brought much attention to them. This drew more people to them, the crowd joiners, which eventually led to others taking notice and deciding they better get on board too.

It's great when reporters actually go out among the public and ask them why they are supporting this or that candidate and listen to their emotion-based, what's-in-it-for-me responses, or outright deer in the headlights look they get. We saw this very much when Obama first ran for president. People flocking to his popular campaign with no clue as to what he actually stood for or proposed.

Whether Cruz, Trump, Rubio, Hillary or previously one of the others, most supporters I've personally spoken with give feel good slogans and emotion-based reasons for supporting them. Ask them for something of substance to support their slogan or emotions and they simply give more of the same.

According to Fox News Ben Carson is out of the race now. Meanwhile, the GOP establishment is trotting out two-time loser and liberal Mormon Romney. While they demanded Trump say he would support whoever the GOP nominee would be if it wasn't him, many are now unwilling to support Trump if he turns out to be the nominee. How interesting that some Republicans in office say they either won't vote for Trump if he's the nominee or they will actually cast a vote for Hillary rather than vote for Trump!

So much theatrics, platitudes, slogans and emotions but no real substance.

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7 hours ago, Alan said:

In this election I am voting on my patriotism for my country. I love America and the values (what is left of the values), it holds as a country. I feel that the only way to keep America with any sense of freedom (what is left of our freedom), is to keep the Democrats out of the Presidential office and put Donald Trump in the Presidential office.

There is one thing that I discovered in time of war. That there are a lot of men who were not Christian in any sense of the word, be willing to die, and to die, for the the defense of the United States of America. America is one of the last bastions for Freedom left in this world. At least Donald Trump will keep it free (at least partially), and close our borders to illegals, counter the evil deeds of Communist China, keep what religious freedom we have left, and bring back some jobs for Americans.

John Young,

By the way, this is one of the hardest posts I had to post on OnLine Baptist. I do agree with you wholeheartedly. We should vote for a solid, mature, bible believing Christian. But, at this juncture, I cannot see an honest and devout Christian, that has a chance of getting the Presidency, running for the office.

I agree that if it came down to the Socialist democrats pick verses Trump then he would be the clear patriotic option but even before the earlier candidates such as Huckabee went out many "preachers" were still flocking to Trump all the while promoting their christian ties and not necessarily their Patriotic Idealism to do so. It seems that even before Trump was the clear lead and before the majority of christian statesmen were narrowed to the current selection they chose the option that was best for their business vs their moral or patriotic values.

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9 hours ago, MatthewDiscipleOfGod said:

Trump has no chance of winning against Clinton. Trump is a profane narcissist who has no fear of God. He wouldn't make a good leader just like Clinton won't make a good leader. The "Republicans" voting for him right now are foolish.

This is no defense of Trump, just observation...the political pundits all said the same with regard to Trump and the primaries. They all said once the voting actually began Trump would fade away and Bush would become the nominee.

Similar, when Reagan ran in 1980 the establishment said he couldn't win in the primaries and would be handily tossed aside. They all claimed Reagan couldn't win the general election and even polls typically showed Reagan down by 20% yet he won.

Trump has about as good a chance against Hillary as any other Republican, more than some. Hillary is not drawing out the crowds to vote but Trump is. Hillary isn't drawing votes from Republicans but Trump is drawing some blue collar Democrats to vote for him.

As Mike pointed out, we have two Republicans running who aren't even constitutionally qualified to run. We also have one running who is "fiscally conservative but socially liberal", and then we have Trump.

I can't help but think about the Lord pointing out that when we turn from Him he turns us over to the consequences of our sinfulness.

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47 minutes ago, John81 said:

Trump has about as good a chance against Hillary as any other Republican, more than some. Hillary is not drawing out the crowds to vote but Trump is. Hillary isn't drawing votes from Republicans but Trump is drawing some blue collar Democrats to vote for him.

As Mike pointed out, we have two Republicans running who aren't even constitutionally qualified to run. We also have one running who is "fiscally conservative but socially liberal", and then we have Trump.

I'm pretty sure Trump will do well with the democrat voters in the overall election. I think the only reason Hillary is doing so well is because she is going up against a socialist whom many democrats won't vote for and on the flip side Bernie seems to be doing well only because many democrats don't want Hillary. There was a token third democrat candidate, O' something or another that may have had a chance but the media ignored him to the point of censor.

I'm not surprised most people in both parties will vote for him. The only thing I was really surprised with was how well he did with "men of God" early on and even now. I thought Cruz or Huckabee would do much better with them even though they would do much worse with democrats then Trump would.

I would argue that Cruz and Rubio are constitutionally qualified but its not really a point I care to argue.

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God will give America the President she deserves.  He'll either raise a man up or let old satan do it.  Ted Cruz is the only one with a testimony of salvation and who is not afraid to talk bible on the campaign trail.  

As some of you have said, my mind also echos the sentiment that only Trump can defeat Hillary, but God can defeat Hillary too if Christians back the Christian running for POTUS!

So, as for me, my support is for the Christian, Cruz, but it sure is fun watching Trump's campaign.  Surrounding himself with all manner of christians, maybe he can get saved, hopefully sooner than later.  Have y'all prayed for his salvation?  I've been praying for Obama's conversion for years as well.

I do not believe the scriptures teach that we're to vote for the lessor of two evils, to vote for lost people.  We're to come out from them, not to yoke with them.  If we apply the principal's of separation to government politics then a Christian can only vote for a Christian or stay home.  We are told to occupy until He comes, not leave the governing of society to the heathen.

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How Christian is Ted Cruz? Have you seen the main Christians he's aligned with? His stance as a Dominionist raises questions. Dominionism, which Ted and his dad follow is not in line with Scripture.

 

A WORKING DEFINITION of DOMINIONISM (Sarah Leslie)

The belief that we (mankind) have a mandate to build the “kingdom of God” on earth, restoring paradise, by progressively and supernaturally transforming ourselves and all societal institutions, through subduing and ruling the earth by whatever means possible, including using technology, science and psycho-social engineering; and then and only then will a “Christ” manifest his presence on earth.

Al Dager in his book VENGEANCE IS OURS: The Church In Dominion (Sword 1990) lists two further definitions of Dominionism:

A basic premise of dominion theology is that when Adam sinned, not only did man lose dominion over the earth, but God also lost control of the earth to Satan. Since that time, some say, God has been on the outside looking in, searching for a “covenant people” who will be His “extension” or “expression” in the earth to take dominion back from Satan. According to the dominionist interpretation, this is the meaning of the Great Commission.

Some teach that this is to be accomplished through certain “overcomers” who, by yielding themselves to the authority of latter-day apostles and prophets, will take control of the kingdoms of this world. These kingdoms are defined as the various social institutions, such as the “kingdom” of education, the “kingdom” of science, the “kingdom” of the arts, and so on. Most especially there is the “kingdom” of politics and government. (Dager, p. 44)

THE DOMINION MANDATE

Dominion theology is predicated upon three basic beliefs:

1) Satan usurped man’s dominion over the earth through the temptation of Adam and Eve;

2) The Church is God’s instrument to take dominion back from Satan;

3) Jesus cannot or will not return until the Church has taken dominion by gaining control of the earth’s government and social institutions. (Dager, p. 87)

 

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4 hours ago, John Young said:

I'm pretty sure Trump will do well with the democrat voters in the overall election. I think the only reason Hillary is doing so well is because she is going up against a socialist whom many democrats won't vote for and on the flip side Bernie seems to be doing well only because many democrats don't want Hillary. There was a token third democrat candidate, O' something or another that may have had a chance but the media ignored him to the point of censor.

I'm not surprised most people in both parties will vote for him. The only thing I was really surprised with was how well he did with "men of God" early on and even now. I thought Cruz or Huckabee would do much better with them even though they would do much worse with democrats then Trump would.

I would argue that Cruz and Rubio are constitutionally qualified but its not really a point I care to argue.

I replied to your other post early this morning but I see it's not here so I don't know what happened to that.

Anyway, Trump is gathering some of what was called the "Reagan Democrats" into his fold which could really hurt Hillary, especially if Democrat voter turnout remains low.

From what I've read and heard many were disillusioned with Huckabee due to part of his record as Arkansas governor and his less than Christian or conservative positions he's espoused previously. Cruz, which has been discussed elsewhere, has turned off some Christians who don't believe he's qualified (either constitutionally and/or experience-wise), some can't overlook his Dominionist views, some disilike his argumentative nature, some have pointed out many lies from Cruz and his campaign as reasons they don't support him.

Even with all that, Cruz has a sizable percentage of Christians who do support him.

One of the problems is over the past several election cycles it's been drilled into voters they should vote for who they think can win regardless of whether they agree with or like the candidate. This was the tactic used to try and get Christian support for McCain and Romney in the last two presidential elections. Now this is backfiring on the establishment as many voters believe Trump has the best chance of winning over any of the other candidates. That's why the Republican establishment and their supporters have been trying to declare Trump can't win the general election (even after being proven wrong when they initially said Trump wouldn't win anything in the primaries).

Most Christians don't cast their vote based upon much time spent in prayer and fasting seeking the Lord's leading. Most Christians either vote however they feel like it or they decide which candidate they like and then ask God to back their choice. It's little wonder we have had such a string of bad presidents.

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2 hours ago, John81 said:

How Christian is Ted Cruz? Have you seen the main Christians he's aligned with? His stance as a Dominionist raises questions. Dominionism, which Ted and his dad follow is not in line with Scripture.

 

A WORKING DEFINITION of DOMINIONISM (Sarah Leslie)

The belief that we (mankind) have a mandate to build the “kingdom of God” on earth, restoring paradise, by progressively and supernaturally transforming ourselves and all societal institutions, through subduing and ruling the earth by whatever means possible, including using technology, science and psycho-social engineering; and then and only then will a “Christ” manifest his presence on earth.

Al Dager in his book VENGEANCE IS OURS: The Church In Dominion (Sword 1990) lists two further definitions of Dominionism:

A basic premise of dominion theology is that when Adam sinned, not only did man lose dominion over the earth, but God also lost control of the earth to Satan. Since that time, some say, God has been on the outside looking in, searching for a “covenant people” who will be His “extension” or “expression” in the earth to take dominion back from Satan. According to the dominionist interpretation, this is the meaning of the Great Commission.

Some teach that this is to be accomplished through certain “overcomers” who, by yielding themselves to the authority of latter-day apostles and prophets, will take control of the kingdoms of this world. These kingdoms are defined as the various social institutions, such as the “kingdom” of education, the “kingdom” of science, the “kingdom” of the arts, and so on. Most especially there is the “kingdom” of politics and government. (Dager, p. 44)

THE DOMINION MANDATE

Dominion theology is predicated upon three basic beliefs:

1) Satan usurped man’s dominion over the earth through the temptation of Adam and Eve;

2) The Church is God’s instrument to take dominion back from Satan;

3) Jesus cannot or will not return until the Church has taken dominion by gaining control of the earth’s government and social institutions. (Dager, p. 87)

 

And this is exactly part of my earlier point I made: Too often, "Christians" who run for president are either outright false Christians, (Mormon Romney, SDA Carson, Catholic Kennedy), or they are dominionist in their doctrine, (Pat Robinson, Cruz), which is very dangerous. Most TRUE Christians who are of the leadership type are already preachers and missionaries and can't be bothered to cease in the work of God to step down for the presidency. And a TRUE believer would never be considered for such an office anyways. Not today. So really, even an atheist who holds to the constitution is better than cultists and dominionists, at least in my opinion.

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Ted is not in the dominion movement. His father is in part. Ted is a Southern Baptist, with a clear testimony of salvation, and a clear record of supporting the Constitution as the guiding document of the federal government. Were he dominionist, he would insinuate the Old Testament law into his statements and his practices. He does not. The dominionist argument is being pushed by folks who follow Trump. You know, that great Christian who was the first casino owner to install a strip club in his casino. And who cheated on his first wife,divorced her and married the mistress  - on whom he in turn cheated and divorced, marrying THAT mistress...who is his current wife, foreign born and that daughter of a communist 
(as well as being a former porn model). So take things like this with a grain of salt.

Oh, and he is eligible. He is a natural born citizen via his mother. Dual citizenship was not a problem with our founders (as they ALL were not born US citizens). The problem came in when the citizen did not reside under US jurisdiction long enough (hence the requirement to reside in the US for 14 years), and if the father wasn't a resident for at least 2 years (re: the 1790 law that clarified what a natural born citizen is...and which Geo. Wn, signed, thereby proving that, yes, indeed, the founders would have accepted Ted as natural born).

Cruz has proven by his actions over the years to be true to the Constitution. Check out TX vs. Medellin...he took on the Dubya administration, the world court, and other countries at the Supreme Court level and won a victory for state sovereignty. He authored Heller, which decision by SCOTUS upheld the 2A. He won at the TX supreme court level a victory for religious liberty regarding the posting of the 10 commandments - and he voluntarily took that to SCOTUS (no other winning solicitor has taken a victory to SCOTUS) - and won, setting a religious liberty precedent at the SCOTUS level. And even his detractors in TX will admit that he has kept his word in the Senate (Dewhurst, his progressive opponent in the Senate race, even came out recently and said that, no matter what one thinks of Cruz, he is all about the Constitution [just FYI - a dominionist would not be...]).

Rubio is a Catholic who has not voted in accordance with the Constitution much of the time he's voted, and if you've been listening to him lately, he is all too willing to get just as vulgar as Trump. Cruz is a born-again Christian who has supported the Constitution - as someone in public service should - as the supreme document to be followed.

Ted Cruz for POTUS! :clap:

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The way these Republican candidates have been acting of late I wouldn't vote for any of them for dog catcher let alone president. They sound like a bunch of adolescents on Facebook or Twitter going back and forth with personal insults, sexual innuendos and petty jabbering.

Maybe they have awakened the reality TV show viewers and that's why so many are voting in the Republican primaries.

The Republicans are offering a lot of ammo for the Democrats to make political ads against them.

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7 minutes ago, John81 said:

The way these Republican candidates have been acting of late I wouldn't vote for any of them for dog catcher let alone president. They sound like a bunch of adolescents on Facebook or Twitter going back and forth with personal insults, sexual innuendos and petty jabbering.

John Kasich seems to have composed himself fairly well. At least the few times I have noticed him anyway.

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Just now, John Young said:

John Kasich seems to have composed himself fairly well. At least the few times I have noticed him anyway.

Most often, yes. He's stated he's making an attempt to appear to be the adult in a room full of children. Unfortunately, he's too liberal to even consider.

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Ohio Governor John Kasich told John Dickerson, “I believe in traditional marriage, but the Supreme Court has ruled, it’s the law of the land, and we’ll abide by it.”

He implored people to just “take a deep breath,” and said there are plenty of other issues conservatives should be more focused on, like jobs, national defense, and “healing the division between races.”

Dickerson told him he sounds like he’s trying to avoid the question, but Kasich insisted, “I do believe in traditional marriage, but the court has ruled, and it’s time to move on.”

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/kasich-on-gay-marriage-the-court-has-ruled-and-its-time-to-move-on/

 

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