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8 hours ago, John81 said:

I think you got the gist of my post.

Yes but you could say the same about many others such as Napolean or Hitler. Napolean founded republics all over Europe. That in Spain lasted until Franco with the help of Hitler and Mussolini overthrew it in the Spanish Civil War.  The French of course have had republics ever since, 1789.  I think they are on their fifth one now. 

 

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God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah, and the West has been turned into one giant Sodom. We are overdue for judgment. It will ne no use relying on any weapons if God is against us.

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2 hours ago, Invicta said:

God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah, and the West has been turned into one giant Sodom. We are overdue for judgment. It will ne no use relying on any weapons if God is against us.

Dear "Invicta", I emboldened a couple of words above ("we" and "us") out of your statement for discussion purposes. I agree with PARTof your statement, just not all of it.  God did destroy Sodom and Gomorrah, He hates these sexual perversions of all forms and He has given them over to a reprobate mind.  Yes, the unbelieving world IS due for the wrath of God, God will not be mocked and that's exactly what the unbelieving world is doing right now, and in my own opinion on a scale larger than I have ever seen, or should I say escalating exponentially. But I don't include "we" or "us" in this wrath.  I (myself) am saved by grace in the faith and belief in Jesus Christ alone for eternal salvation, and I pray you are also.  So where you believe (if I understand you correctly, is that you think the events in Revelation have already happened?) I believe they have not yet.  I believe "we" (saved by grace in the age of grace) will NOT be going through the wrath of God. Jesus has delivered us from the wrath to come (1 Thes. 1:10). I do not believe that "we" are going to have any part in the wrath to come (Rev. 6:16-17). And I certainly do not believe God is against "us" (saved). However, He is against this sinful wicked world and His wrath WILL come upon it. 

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As for Mr. Trump... he has SAID he is a Christian on one occasion that I know of (could be more I don't know) . Then again he has SAID many things which were shown to be following whatever way the wind was blowing at the moment. He has switched parties numerous times, he has contributed vast amounts of money to both past Clinton's campaigns. Then again so did Mr. B. Hussein Obama (say he was a Christian), but then again they have verses in the qu'ran which tell them it's fine to lie (if it promotes the cause of islam) and there is even a specific verse in the qu'ran which tells them it's okay to lie UNDER OATH! Talk about a religion which comes straight from the devil!!!    

I would prefer another of the candidates, BUT even he is not what I would truly consider to be a man who places serving God first and foremost in his life... no politician does because they ALL take bribes ("campaign contributions") and are then influenced by the money they received to align favorably to certain groups/peoples. They may claim to have certain moral values, but I have yet to see a politician who made good on his campaign promises. All that said, I know which party I will be voting for come November (God willing... IF I am still here and IF there is an election, which are big "IFS" in my mind). So (God willing) I will do my duty to vote, but it will likely be more of a vote "against" a particular candidate rather than voting "for" someone I truly think reveres the Lord (because I don't think ANY of them truly do). I know this nation cannot abide another liberal socialist much less a communist, and that is who I will be voting against.  And it grieves me to hear pastors and teachers make a stand/endorse men like Mr. Trump. But then again, I am not surprised these days by much of anything. Even IF there is an election and even IF I am still here come November, I can't imagine how any president could (even in part) "undo" the damage that has already been done. There is no hope in mankind. My hope resides in Jesus and in the blessed hope in Jesus!  I truly believe these are the last hours of the age of grace. Maranatha!

 

 

 

 

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John, As for Martel pushing the Muslims back, so did Russia and Britain in the form of the Turks, from the early 1800s until 1917 when Allenby marched into Jerusalem.  Up to the 1840s Turkey had limited the Jews living in Jerusalem to 500 and Britain forced her to lift that restriction.  If I remember correctly it was in 1848.

But I think we have lifted the white flag now.

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29 minutes ago, Ronda said:

 

Dear "Invicta", I emboldened a couple of words above ("we" and "us") out of your statement for discussion purposes. I agree with PARTof your statement, just not all of it.  God did destroy Sodom and Gomorrah, He hates these sexual perversions of all forms and He has given them over to a reprobate mind.  Yes, the unbelieving world IS due for the wrath of God, God will not be mocked and that's exactly what the unbelieving world is doing right now, and in my own opinion on a scale larger than I have ever seen, or should I say escalating exponentially. But I don't include "we" or "us" in this wrath.  I (myself) am saved by grace in the faith and belief in Jesus Christ alone for eternal salvation, and I pray you are also.  So where you believe (if I understand you correctly, is that you think the events in Revelation have already happened?) I believe they have not yet.  I believe "we" (saved by grace in the age of grace) will NOT be going through the wrath of God. Jesus has delivered us from the wrath to come (1 Thes. 1:10). I do not believe that "we" are going to have any part in the wrath to come (Rev. 6:16-17). And I certainly do not believe God is against "us" (saved). However, He is against this sinful wicked world and His wrath WILL come upon it. 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

As for Mr. Trump... he has SAID he is a Christian on one occasion that I know of (could be more I don't know) . Then again he has SAID many things which were shown to be following whatever way the wind was blowing at the moment. He has switched parties numerous times, he has contributed vast amounts of money to both past Clinton's campaigns. Then again so did Mr. B. Hussein Obama, but then again they have verses in the qu'ran which tell them it's fine to lie (if it promotes the cause of islam) and there is even a specific verse in the qu'ran which tells them it's okay to lie UNDER OATH! Talk about a religion which comes straight from the devil!!!    

I would prefer another of the candidates, BUT even he is not what I would truly consider to be a man who places serving God first and foremost in his life... no politician does because they ALL take bribes ("campaign contributions") and are then influenced by the money they received to align favorably to certain groups/peoples. They may claim to have certain moral values, but I have yet to see a politician who made good on his campaign promises. All that said, I know which party I will be voting for come November (God willing... IF I am still here and IF there is an election, which are big "IFS" in my mind). So (God willing) I will do my duty to vote, but it will likely be more of a vote "against" a particular candidate rather than voting "for" someone I truly think reveres the Lord (because I don't think ANY of them truly do). I know this nation cannot abide another liberal socialist much less a communist, and that is who I will be voting against.  And it grieves me to hear pastors and teachers make a stand/endorse men like Mr. Trump. But then again, I am not surprised these days by much of anything. Even IF there is an election and even IF I am still here come November, I can't imagine how any president could (even in part) "undo" the damage that has already been done. There is no hope in mankind. My hope resides in Jesus and in the blessed hope in Jesus!  I truly believe these are the last hours of the age of grace. Maranatha!

Dear Ronda.  My name is David.  I don't believe that all of Revelation is fulfilled.  I believe it is the history of the church written in advance in picture form.  Certainly the church going through the centuries of tribulation considered it so and it comforted them in their tribulations which many throughout the world are still going through, N Korea in particular.  They knew from reading those scriptures that God is in control.  God didn't take Christians out of the Blitz in London, or Dresden or Hiroshima and Nagasaki.  In Nagasaki there was a British POW prison with believers as well as unbelievers.  Why are they so different from us?  Is it just because we have gone soft.  The wrath that we will not go through is Hell, because Jesus went there for us.

As to Trump heard him say "I am a Christian. I have got a bible."

 

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3 hours ago, Invicta said:

Yes but you could say the same about many others such as Napolean or Hitler. Napolean founded republics all over Europe. That in Spain lasted until Franco with the help of Hitler and Mussolini overthrew it in the Spanish Civil War.  The French of course have had republics ever since, 1789.  I think they are on their fifth one now. 

 

I was referring to the need for someone to take necessary steps to end the Muslim invasion and corruption of Europe and America.

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3 hours ago, Invicta said:

God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah, and the West has been turned into one giant Sodom. We are overdue for judgment. It will ne no use relying on any weapons if God is against us.

It's time we take seriously our personal pursuit of holiness, the sharing of the Gospel and making disciples in our own countries. We need to take a stand for Christ, proclaim Jesus as the one and only way, declare the false nature and danger of Islam various forms of paganism, etc.

The Muslim invasion of Europe is very much akin to what we see in the Old Testament when Israel would turn from God and the Lord would send forth heathen hoards to overrun them.

In Europe and America good is called evil and evil is called good and we are reaping the ill rewards of such.

Most preachers, most Christians, are too fearful of persecution to live and speak openly and honestly for Christ.

America's last two presidents, both professing to be Christians, have publicly promoted the lie that Islam is a religion of peace, that Christianity and Islam are equal, that Christians and Muslims worship the same God.

Where are the men of God who will step forth and speak truth in this hour of need?

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4 minutes ago, John81 said:

I was referring to the need for someone to take necessary steps to end the Muslim invasion and corruption of Europe and America.

Yes John I realized that in the beginning but forgot it but tried to correct in my post about the Turks.

The Serbs have said they will only accept Christians, but the Serbs are Orthodox and probably not keen on evangelical Christians,

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36 minutes ago, Invicta said:

John, As for Martel pushing the Muslims back, so did Russia and Britain in the form of the Turks, from the early 1800s until 1917 when Allenby marched into Jerusalem.  Up to the 1840s Turkey had limited the Jews living in Jerusalem to 500 and Britain forced her to lift that restriction.  If I remember correctly it was in 1848.

But I think we have lifted the white flag now.

Indeed, we used to take a stand and fight against invading foreign threats but today we open the doors and not only welcome them in, we tax our own citizens and give money and hand-outs to the invaders which helps enable them to conquer our lands and spread their false religion.

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Trouble is, most of the people pouring into Europe are fleeing from instability due to the West interfering in their affairs.  Most of the overthrown dictators did not interfere too much with Christians. 

When we leave the EU the French have threatened to scrap the agreement whereby they allow the British Border Force to vet people in the French docks.   

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3 hours ago, Invicta said:

Trouble is, most of the people pouring into Europe are fleeing from instability due to the West interfering in their affairs.  Most of the overthrown dictators did not interfere too much with Christians. 

When we leave the EU the French have threatened to scrap the agreement whereby they allow the British Border Force to vet people in the French docks.   

This is because we have lost our center. In times past when Western nations interfered somewhere they didn't open their doors to those who wanted to run from the area. Now we do. The West also used to interfere with the intention of insuring a strong governing leadership in place to keep the people in line and help secure the best interests of the West. Today the West goes into countries and removes strong, stabilizing leadership, sets up weak governments, expects tossing around money and offering what is seen as "Western decadence" to make all the people suddenly become like people of the West. Then when things fall apart we run around like chickens with their heads cut off and these other people take advantage of the chaos to invade the West and thwart the West wherever they can.

Thinking ourselves wise we have become fools.

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Which one of you is running for President of The United States? I need to know so I don’t waste my time voting for one of the sinners now running for nomination. 

After reading many of these posts I see it would be impossible for me to vote for my choice, Ted Cruz. I apologize in advance, I’ll explain. I thought that Ted Cruz would be the best at defending my stand on God’s Word and my faith in Jesus Christ. I didn’t understand that his personal faith and understanding of scripture would cause my spiritual life and faith to be permanently seared. I didn’t understand that Ted Cruz had not reached the perfection required for consideration as president.

So, please, tell me which one of you has the perfection required for U.S. president so that I might write in your name without feeling I’ve let my Savior down by voting for someone who doesn’t pass your test.
 

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On 3/2/2016 at 11:27 AM, No Nicolaitans said:

Many Christians will vote for Trump for the same reason they voted for Obama...

...to please their flesh.

Horseradish! I love how some of you are so in tuned to the motives of Christians. I'll tell you why I'm voting for Trump. Its because he's the only one who isn't another phony politician, except for maybe Carson, out of the bunch. And now that Carson has dropped out Trump has my vote.

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1 minute ago, Critical Mass said:

Horseradish! I love how some of you are so in tuned to the motives of Christians. I'll tell you why I'm voting for Trump. Its because he's the only one who isn't another phony politician, except for maybe Carson, out of the bunch. And now that Carson has dropped out Trump has my vote.

Worcestershire Sauce!

So there are no Christians who will vote for Trump because he appeals to their flesh? Your own stated reason for voting for Trump is a fleshly reason...nothing about his stance, his agenda, his proposals...you're voting for him for the well-thought-out, well-researched, and well-weighed reason of...because he's not another phony politician.

By the way, for whoever is reading this, I'm not putting anyone down who wants to vote for Trump. All I did was make a factual statement that many Christians will vote for him because he appeals to their flesh. Many Christians won't. Many Christians will vote for other candidates for the same reason. Many won't.

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4 hours ago, No Nicolaitans said:

Worcestershire Sauce!

So there are no Christians who will vote for Trump because he appeals to their flesh? Your own stated reason for voting for Trump is a fleshly reason...nothing about his stance, his agenda, his proposals...you're voting for him for the well-thought-out, well-researched, and well-weighed reason of...because he's not another phony politician.

By the way, for whoever is reading this, I'm not putting anyone down who wants to vote for Trump. All I did was make a factual statement that many Christians will vote for him because he appeals to their flesh. Many Christians won't. Many Christians will vote for other candidates for the same reason. Many won't.

This is a discussion forum and it's good to discuss such things, we don't have to solve the worlds problems, always be right, get everyone to agree with us or change to agree with others.

Most Christians I know, just like most non-Christians, vote more based upon their own preferences (whether very shallow like many, or actually reasoned like a few). It's probably safe to guess that God isn't telling some Christians to vote Carson, Cruz, Paul, Rubio, Trump, or Hillary or Bernie, yet a goodly number of Christians claim this is so.

I will vote this year as others, after much in-depth consideration of the candidates, discussions with others, and prayer.

Outside a miracle, it's already known which Party this States general election delegates will go to. Most States are like that now. There are only a few States at this point in time which are actually up for grabs and that's where the election will ultimately be decided.

Even so, I will cast my ballet which will have no impact upon the national outcome elections but may have a more local impact.

The next president will not correct the mistakes of their predecessors nor restore the country to the confines of the Constitution.

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