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I know there were four lepers(which were not named) which found the abandoned Syrian camp and reported it to the king and I had questioned before that Gehazi was mentioned in 2 Kings 8, seemingly after he was made a leper. But I never heard this one before.......

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"This book of the law shall not depart from your mouth … so that you may be careful to do according to all that is written in it; for then you will make your way prosperous, and then you will have success." (Joshua 1:8)

God can reverse every downturn in your life—including the financial, physical, emotional, and spiritual—when you follow Him and His Word.

The prophet Elisha would not accept payment from General Naaman for God's restoration of the warrior's health, but the prophet's servant Gehazi couldn't resist. He lied, took the payment, and hid it. Elisha knew what Gehazi had done and rebuked him for jumping ahead of God's provision and blessing. Gehazi set himself up for failure, and as punishment, he was made a leper.

Seven years later, because of God's divine arrangement, Gehazi could have stolen and hidden an abundance of riches from an abandoned Syrian camp. A changed man, Gehazi generously shared his profit with the children of Israel. As a result, God restored Gehazi’s health and promoted him to the king's advisory board.

 

If you are wrestling with a downturn in your life that may be the result of a wrong decision or an action you made in the past, keep in mind that God longs to accomplish something in you that is greater than you can imagine. Don’t throw in the towel. Never let your past determine your future. Rather, put your trust in God through obeying His Word, and set yourself up to succeed, just as Gehazi did.

For His kingdom,

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Did he give a Bible reference for that? Sounds to me like he wanted a good story to go along with his promise that God can reverse every downturn in life if you follow him and his word. What if your "downturn" is part of God's will for your life? Paul had a downturn in life that God never "reversed"...

First, we see this...

2 Kings 5:25-27
25   But he went in, and stood before his master. And Elisha said unto him, Whence comest thou, Gehazi? And he said, Thy servant went no whither.
26   And he said unto him, Went not mine heart with thee, when the man turned again from his chariot to meet thee? Is it a time to receive money, and to receive garments, and oliveyards, and vineyards, and sheep, and oxen, and menservants, and maidservants?
27   The leprosy therefore of Naaman shall cleave unto thee, and unto thy seed for ever. And he went out from his presence a leper as white as snow.

Sounds like there would be no healing to me.

Second, we see this...

2 Kings 7:3
And there were four leprous men at the entering in of the gate: and they said one to another, Why sit we here until we die?

The lepers aren't named; he's saying that Gehazi was one of those lepers. How could he possibly know since they aren't named, and there is no indication whatsoever that one of them is Gehazi.

Third we see this...

2 Kings 8:1-6
1   Then spake Elisha unto the woman, whose son he had restored to life, saying, Arise, and go thou and thine household, and sojourn wheresoever thou canst sojourn: for the LORD hath called for a famine; and it shall also come upon the land seven years.
2   And the woman arose, and did after the saying of the man of God: and she went with her household, and sojourned in the land of the Philistines seven years.
3   And it came to pass at the seven years' end, that the woman returned out of the land of the Philistines: and she went forth to cry unto the king for her house and for her land.
4   And the king talked with Gehazi the servant of the man of God, saying, Tell me, I pray thee, all the great things that Elisha hath done.
5   And it came to pass, as he was telling the king how he had restored a dead body to life, that, behold, the woman, whose son he had restored to life, cried to the king for her house and for her land. And Gehazi said, My lord, O king, this is the woman, and this is her son, whom Elisha restored to life.
6   And when the king asked the woman, she told him. So the king appointed unto her a certain officer, saying, Restore all that was hers, and all the fruits of the field since the day that she left the land, even until now.

The only thing restored by the king was done for the woman whose son was raised from the dead. There's nothing saying that Gehazi was healed and made an advisor to the king. All Gehazi did was tell the king about Elisha raising the woman's son from the dead. That's not an advisory position; he wanted to hear about Elisha...not advice.

I've read where people "ASSUME" that Gehazi was healed, because (according to the law) a leper wasn't supposed to be out in public; therefore, the king wouldn't have even talked with him since he was a leper.

However, in reading the laws concerning lepers, only those with risings, raw flesh, etc. were unclean...for example...

(yellow highlight=unclean...blue highlight=clean)

Leviticus 13:9-17
9   When the plague of leprosy is in a man, then he shall be brought unto the priest;
10   And the priest shall see him: and, behold, if the rising be white in the skin, and it have turned the hair white, and there be quick raw flesh in the rising;
11   It is an old leprosy in the skin of his flesh, and the priest shall pronounce him unclean, and shall not shut him up: for he is unclean.
12   And if a leprosy break out abroad in the skin, and the leprosy cover all the skin of him that hath the plague from his head even to his foot, wheresoever the priest looketh;
13   Then the priest shall consider: and, behold, if the leprosy have covered all his flesh, he shall pronounce him clean that hath the plague: it is all turned white: he is clean.
14   But when raw flesh appeareth in him, he shall be unclean.
15   And the priest shall see the raw flesh, and pronounce him to be unclean: for the raw flesh is unclean: it is a leprosy.
16   Or if the raw flesh turn again, and be changed unto white, he shall come unto the priest;
17   And the priest shall see him: and, behold, if the plague be turned into white; then the priest shall pronounce him clean that hath the plague: he is clean.

What kind of leprosy did Gehazi have?

2 Kings 5:27
The leprosy therefore of Naaman shall cleave unto thee, and unto thy seed for ever. And he went out from his presence a leper as white as snow.

Gehazi's leprosy was white; it wasn't contagious; therefore, it perfectly within the law for him to be out in public and for the king to talk to him.

Tony Evans spun a tale...

 

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11 minutes ago, Oὐ Νικολαΐτης said:

Did he give a Bible reference for that? Sounds to me like he wanted a good story to go along with his promise that God can reverse every downturn in life if you follow him and his word. What if your "downturn" is part of God's will for your life? Paul had a downturn in life that God never "reversed"...

First, we see this...

2 Kings 5:25-27
25   But he went in, and stood before his master. And Elisha said unto him, Whence comest thou, Gehazi? And he said, Thy servant went no whither.
26   And he said unto him, Went not mine heart with thee, when the man turned again from his chariot to meet thee? Is it a time to receive money, and to receive garments, and oliveyards, and vineyards, and sheep, and oxen, and menservants, and maidservants?
27   The leprosy therefore of Naaman shall cleave unto thee, and unto thy seed for ever. And he went out from his presence a leper as white as snow.

Sounds like there would be no healing to me.

Second, we see this...

2 Kings 7:3
And there were four leprous men at the entering in of the gate: and they said one to another, Why sit we here until we die?

The lepers aren't named; he's saying that Gehazi was one of those lepers. How could he possibly know since they aren't named, and there is no indication whatsoever that one of them is Gehazi.

Third we see this...

2 Kings 8:1-6
1   Then spake Elisha unto the woman, whose son he had restored to life, saying, Arise, and go thou and thine household, and sojourn wheresoever thou canst sojourn: for the LORD hath called for a famine; and it shall also come upon the land seven years.
2   And the woman arose, and did after the saying of the man of God: and she went with her household, and sojourned in the land of the Philistines seven years.
3   And it came to pass at the seven years' end, that the woman returned out of the land of the Philistines: and she went forth to cry unto the king for her house and for her land.
4   And the king talked with Gehazi the servant of the man of God, saying, Tell me, I pray thee, all the great things that Elisha hath done.
5   And it came to pass, as he was telling the king how he had restored a dead body to life, that, behold, the woman, whose son he had restored to life, cried to the king for her house and for her land. And Gehazi said, My lord, O king, this is the woman, and this is her son, whom Elisha restored to life.
6   And when the king asked the woman, she told him. So the king appointed unto her a certain officer, saying, Restore all that was hers, and all the fruits of the field since the day that she left the land, even until now.

The only thing restored by the king was done for the woman whose son was raised from the dead. There's nothing saying that Gehazi was healed and made an advisor to the king. All Gehazi did was tell the king about Elisha raising the woman's son from the dead. That's not an advisory position; he wanted to hear about Elisha...not advice.

I've read where people "ASSUME" that Gehazi was healed, because (according to the law) a leper wasn't supposed to be out in public; therefore, the king wouldn't have even talked with him since he was a leper.

However, in reading the laws concerning lepers, only those with risings, raw flesh, etc. were unclean...for example...

(yellow highlight=unclean...blue highlight=clean)

Leviticus 13:9-17
9   When the plague of leprosy is in a man, then he shall be brought unto the priest;
10   And the priest shall see him: and, behold, if the rising be white in the skin, and it have turned the hair white, and there be quick raw flesh in the rising;
11   It is an old leprosy in the skin of his flesh, and the priest shall pronounce him unclean, and shall not shut him up: for he is unclean.
12   And if a leprosy break out abroad in the skin, and the leprosy cover all the skin of him that hath the plague from his head even to his foot, wheresoever the priest looketh;
13   Then the priest shall consider: and, behold, if the leprosy have covered all his flesh, he shall pronounce him clean that hath the plague: it is all turned white: he is clean.
14   But when raw flesh appeareth in him, he shall be unclean.
15   And the priest shall see the raw flesh, and pronounce him to be unclean: for the raw flesh is unclean: it is a leprosy.
16   Or if the raw flesh turn again, and be changed unto white, he shall come unto the priest;
17   And the priest shall see him: and, behold, if the plague be turned into white; then the priest shall pronounce him clean that hath the plague: he is clean.

What kind of leprosy did Gehazi have?

2 Kings 5:27
The leprosy therefore of Naaman shall cleave unto thee, and unto thy seed for ever. And he went out from his presence a leper as white as snow.

Gehazi's leprosy was white; it wasn't contagious; therefore, it perfectly within the law for him to be out in public and for the king to talk to him.

Tony Evans spun a tale...

 

That appears to be the case, because the Bible doesn't give the names of the four lepers and it never says that Gehazi was "promoted to the king's advisory board".  I would love to ask Mr. Evans but my email might not get past his screeners.

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I assume he said he was appointed to the king's advisory board because the king asked him about Elisha? That's no appointment. Our City Manager asks me questions from time to time, but I'm not on any board. I'm not even on "board" with him asking me questions. :nuts:

The Bible doesn't name the four lepers.

The Bible doesn't say that Gehazi was healed.

The Bible does say that Gehazi would be a leper forever.

The Bible; Tony Evans? The Bible; Tony Evans?

I'll take the Bible.

I've heard of Tony Evans, but I've never heard or read anything by him.

By the way, yes, God can reverse every downturn in your life...but that doesn't mean he will.  ;)

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Preach the Word, not speculation or fanciful tales for the sake of a good story. The Bible has plenty of "good stories" to preach upon and the wonders of God's working among men are abundant throughout Scripture. Adding to the Word is never a good thing.

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I got a reply back, this morning. Just as I suspected, Tony Evans didn't reply personally which I can understand. But he still didn't answer my questions; because even his "NASB" quote shows no indication of #1 named lepers, #2 Gehazi was healed or #3 Gehazi was appointed an advisor.

2 Kings 7  New American Standard Bible (NASB)


Elisha Promises Food


7:1 Then Elisha said, “Listen to the word of the LORD; thus says the LORD, ‘Tomorrow about this time a measure of fine flour will be sold for a shekel, and two measures of barley for a shekel, in the gate of Samaria.’”


2 The royal officer on whose hand the king was leaning answered the man of God and said, “Behold, if the LORD should make windows in heaven, could this thing be?” Then he said, “Behold, you will see it with your own eyes, but you will not eat of it.”


Four Lepers Relate Arameans’ Flight


3 Now there were four leprous men at the entrance of the gate; and they said to one another, “Why do we sit here until we die?


8 When these lepers came to the outskirts of the camp, they entered one tent and ate and drank, and carried from there silver and gold and clothes, and went and hid them; and they returned and entered another tent and carried from there also, and went and hid them.


9 Then they said to one another, “We are not doing right. This day is a day of good news, but we are keeping silent; if we wait until morning light, punishment will overtake us. Now therefore come, let us go and tell the king’s household.”


10 So they came and called to the gatekeepers of the city, and they told them, saying, “We came to the camp of the Arameans, and behold, there was no one there, nor the voice of man, only the horses tied and the donkeys tied, and the tents just as they were.”


8:1 Now Elisha spoke to the woman whose son he had restored to life, saying, “Arise and go with your household, and sojourn wherever you can sojourn; for the LORD has called for a famine, and it will even come on the land for seven years.”


3 At the end of seven years, the woman returned from the land of the Philistines; and she went out to appeal to the king for her house and for her field. 4 Now the king was talking with Gehazi, the servant of the man of God, saying, “Please relate to me all the great things that Elisha has done.”


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5 hours ago, John81 said:

Preach the Word, not speculation or fanciful tales for the sake of a good story. The Bible has plenty of "good stories" to preach upon and the wonders of God's working among men are abundant throughout Scripture. Adding to the Word is never a good thing.

I wholeheartedly agree with that.

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The reply from Evans people provides nothing more than before. As we all here noted, the idea Gehazi is one of these is pure speculation, closer to fantasy since there is noting whatsoever in the Scripture which even hints at the idea one could be Gehazi.

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Affirmative.

I again asked the responder to point out where the scriptures he sent answered my three questions. Haven't heard back yet. But I must say, I really liked the "account". I was thinking maybe Mr. Evans had relayed some little-known truth in the Word of God.  It happens sometimes, you know.

 

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1 hour ago, John81 said:

The reply from Evans people provides nothing more than before. As we all here noted, the idea Gehazi is one of these is pure speculation, closer to fantasy since there is noting whatsoever in the Scripture which even hints at the idea one could be Gehazi.

Not only is he adding to scripture, but in his quest for a good story, his fairytale has other repercussions as well...

Elisha said the leprosy would cling to Gehazi forever. Evans has reduced Elisha to a false prophet by saying Gehazi was healed.

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16 hours ago, Oὐ Νικολαΐτης said:

Not only is he adding to scripture, but in his quest for a good story, his fairytale has other repercussions as well...

Elisha said the leprosy would cling to Gehazi forever. Evans has reduced Elisha to a false prophet by saying Gehazi was healed.

Very true. That's one of the many problems with adding/subtracting from Scripture. Any changes we make not only make that specific impact but also has a ripple effect throughout Scripture. Add a gap theory of millions of years, pre-adamic races and dinosaurs dying, and the whole creation account becomes suspect which places all of Scripture in question; for example.

We need to separate ourselves from those who corrupt the Word.

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On 1/21/2016 at 11:10 AM, heartstrings said:

I know there were four lepers(which were not named) which found the abandoned Syrian camp and reported it to the king and I had questioned before that Gehazi was mentioned in 2 Kings 8, seemingly after he was made a leper. But I never heard this one before.......

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Rubbish. 

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Brother,

 

 

Thank you for your quick response. I understand that Brother Tony cannot reply to so many inquirys.

 

 

 

But I still cannot see any indication in these scriptures of #1 Gehazi's name among the four lepers or of any named lepers. #2 I still see nothing saying that Gehazi was healed. #3 I see no direct statement saying that Gehazi was appointed an advisor to the king. Perhaps it is in another scripture somewhere? This story was very interesting to me; maybe I am missing something.

 

 

 

Thank You

 

 

 

Wayne

 


 

Didn't get a reply to this one. You would think a guy with "ThM" after his name would know the answers. ???

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Received another response this morning......

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Not everything is stated in plain text, yet that does not mean it is not true. Nowhere does the Bible call God “The Trinity” yet we know by reason of deduction and applying the scriptures that if all three, the Father , the Son and the Holy Spirit claims to be God, then there is a Trinity in person. Gehazi was a leper, and lepers do not enter into the King presence or present “report” to the King. Gehazi was in the open court where people would come to present their case to the King. A transformation had to have taken place. This is the same Gehazi because he recognize the woman that Elisha assisted. It appears that since Gehazi was a leper and the lesson to learn was selfishness, which is why he became a leper, he was given the opportunity to redeem himself from the first error. He learned the lesson when he discovered the empty camp. Saving the nation by providing materials gain him some form of recognition, which could have been the reason why the king gave him a position. Elisha could have been aware because he sent the woman (at the Right time) to see the king. There are a lot of gaps, because scripture does not record every little detail. Many theological points are concluded from examining the facts on hand. This position is stated because it adds up when we look at all the facts involved. Of course you do not have to agree with this information if you must see it in writing. This is not a life changing theological issue. I pray that God will grant you peace on this subject. Rev. Leighton Smith, ThM. Customer Care Team The Urban Alternative

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I only found two "facts" in the response. But the "Trinity" can be backed up with plenty of scripture. Gehazi's being among the four lepers cannot; and neither can his being restored to health.

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Pastor was in the Book of James tonight. Came across this....

27And many lepers were in Israel in the time of Eliseus the prophet; and none of them was cleansed, saving Naaman the Syrian. 28And all they in the synagogue, when they heard these things, were filled with wrath,

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On 2/1/2016 at 10:00 PM, heartstrings said:

Pastor was in the Book of James tonight. Came across this....

27And many lepers were in Israel in the time of Eliseus the prophet; and none of them was cleansed, saving Naaman the Syrian. 28And all they in the synagogue, when they heard these things, were filled with wrath,

That nailed it!

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I passed that verse on to Tony Evans' correspondent and got this response....

 

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I have to request that you take time to read the entire passage correctly. I have placed it in this text.

Luke 4:24 And He said, "Truly I say to you, no prophet is welcome in his hometown. 25 But I say to you in truth, there were many widows in Israel in the days of Elijah, when the sky was shut up for three years and six months, when a great famine came over all the land; 26 and yet Elijah was sent to none of them, but only to Zarephath, in the land of Sidon, to a woman who was a widow. 27 And there were many lepers in Israel in the time of Elisha the prophet; and none of them was cleansed, but only Naaman the Syrian."

  1. This passage has a time frame. No one was cleansed within the 3 and ½ years except Naaman.
  2. This passage is talking about Elijah the prophet
  3. The servant Gehazi belonged to Elisha – the Prophet who took Elijah place
  4. So not only is it a different time frame but an altogether different prophet.

Their names are almost the same, so it is easy to get them mixed up. I hope this has clarified your concern.

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It was Elijah who told Namaan to dip 7 times in the Jordan? Huh? Is he trying to mess with my head? Is that what people with a ThM behind their name are trained to do? I need a nap, y'all. :blink:

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Yeah...it's easy to get them mixed up...real easy when it doesn't fit your story.  :nuts:

Is he saying that even the Bible has the names mixed up...that even though his version says Elisha, it actually means Elijah? It's rather easy to read the story of who the prophet was that dealt with Naaman's leprosy...

Like I said earlier...pride trumps truth.

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Hey, I have to admit again: I liked the story very much, So much that I HOPED it was true. But I had to verify and much to my dismay I'm just not seeing it. Then during Bible study when we came across the Luke 4:27 verse it pretty much confirmed it for me. But what's even more of a letdown, is when someone just turns a blind eye to what's staring them right in the face, seemingly just to follow a personality....and I LIKE Tony Evans too, I really do.

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First of all I must agree with the consensus that as ministers of the gospel of Jesus the Christ,                               we should preach the written word, and must not add, inflating or season our sermons with                                           our personal opinion, calming that is the word of God says as Tony Evans did!

However, it is nothing wrong with a teacher or a preacher, telling their listeners what they believe the text is           saying as long as the stay in context with what is written, and make it aboundingly clear, that  is their theological  perspective on what was written.

After all, the apostle Paul the champion  writer of the New Testament gives his theological opinion                             where he says in 1 Corinthians 7:12" not the lord but I. and in 2 Timothy again Paul says that I suffer or do not permit a woman to teach or have authority over over a man. And Paul has a different opinion on divorce that opposes Jesus position on the grounds for divorce. And  "The Church" favored Paul's position over Jesus position on divorce.  Also the "early church fathers."                                                                                                                                 

Moreeover,  "the early church" fathers concluded that the word trinity that is also not written in the Bible is a theological  conclusion that explains the three dimensional personal of God. Christianity is a montheolitic religion, God is not three persons according to Deuteronomy 6:4; Isaiah 45:5; I am the LORD, and there is no other; There is no God besides Me. I will gird you, though you have not known Me. Mark 12:29; John 5:7.     So one cannot deny the connection between 2 Kings 5:27; 7:1-3; and 8:1-4; in is not a fantasy of Tony Evans           is a logical theological  perspective: However, the Bible does not name the four Lepers, but one does have wonder why would a king hang out with a leper? But if you follow the text, Gehazi was consulted to veryify the Shunammite womans story. In chapter 8. Also it should be noted, that Gehazi's punishment of leporcy was not contagous, according to Leviticus 13:13,17; because 2 kings 5:27; says he was with as snow meaning he was clean. 

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Interestingly, Naaman the leper was a mighty man of valour and was captain of the king's army even as a leper. 2 Kings 5:1.

This thus refutes the proposition of Tony Evans that Gehazi had to be cleansed to be in the presence of the king, and it supports the argument of white vs raw skin leprosy : clean vs unclean

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