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We are Ambassadors.  Just as an earthly kingdom or nation would have an Ambassador, so too Christ has representatives of his Heavenly Kingdom.                    2 Corinthians 5:17-21   Our Ministry is one of Reconciliation - we are to spread the Word of Reconciliation (how that God wants men to be Reconciled to Him, through his Son, the Lord Jesus Christ).

Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation; To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us [proclaim] the word of reconciliation. Now then we are Ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God. For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

 

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The Apostle to the Gentiles never once uses the terms "priest", "priests" or "priesthood" in his Epistles.

1 Cor 4:16 Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me.  (witness 1)

1 Cor 11:1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ  (witness 2)

Phil 3:17 Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample. (witness 3)

 

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As I just said in Pastor Markle's thread...

You're right...he doesn't.

However...

He certainly used the word "minister" a whole lot...and I mean a WHOLE lot.

What were the priests? Ministers. What was their duty? To minister.

Like it or not, you're a priest. Do you serve God? Do you serve his people? If so, you're a priest.

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16 minutes ago, beameup said:

The Apostle to the Gentiles never once uses the terms "priest", "priests" or "priesthood" in his Epistles.

The Apostle to the Gentiles never once uses the term "baptist" either, but I see that you claim to be one.

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On 1/13/2016 at 10:47 PM, beameup said:

The Apostle to the Gentiles never once uses the terms "priest", "priests" or "priesthood" in his Epistles.

1 Cor 4:16 Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me.  (witness 1)

1 Cor 11:1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ  (witness 2)

Phil 3:17 Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample. (witness 3)

 

I disagree with you here. The church age Christian is a priest and king. If you can boldly approach the throne of grace (aka the mercy seat) then you are a priest. 

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We need to consider what a priest is, at least from a Jewish perspective: The priests stood between the supplicant and the Lord-they kind of opened the doorway between them. Is this not our job, to open the way, (or at least point the way through the opened door) of salvation for the lost sinner to find the Lord? So yes, we are all priests in that sense-we stand in the gap and show the way and teach the truth.  

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14 hours ago, Critical Mass said:

I disagree with you here. The church age Christian is a priest and king. If you can boldly approach the throne of grace (aka the mercy seat) then you are a priest. 

1. In which kingdom are we kings?  

2. The French word for priest is sacrificateur, someone who offers sacrifices.  

 

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  1 Peter 2:4-6

To whom coming, as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, and precious, ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.  Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.”

When Peter wrote that he was writing to gentiles.

 

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On ‎1‎/‎14‎/‎2016 at 7:18 AM, Invicta said:

  1 Peter 2:4-6

To whom coming, as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, and precious, ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.  Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.”

When Peter wrote that he was writing to gentiles.

 

Peter is identified as the apostle to the circumcision [Gal 2:7].  He wrote to his brethren.  In this case, Peter is reminded of the promise of God to Israel: And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel. Exodus 19:6  Had Israel repented as a Nation, this would have literally been fulfilled at that time upon Messiah's return.

"Assuming" that there is only one group of "elect" and that that is the Body of Christ, and that the entire N.T. is addressed only to "the church" is an error that dates back to the 4th Century Catholic Church.  God has a separate "agenda" for Israel and it will come to pass when God sets up his earthly Kingdom.

But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me [Paul], as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;  Galatians 2:7
1 Peter 1:1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers [parepidēmos] scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,
parepidēmos - one who comes from a foreign country into a city or land to reside there by the side of the natives - these are the diaspora of Jews he is writing to.

 

 

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1 hour ago, beameup said:

Peter is identified as the apostle to the circumcision [Gal 2:7].  He wrote to his brethren.  In this case, Peter is reminded of the promise of God to Israel: And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel. Exodus 19:6  Had Israel repented as a Nation, this would have literally been fulfilled at that time upon Messiah's return.

"Assuming" that there is only one group of "elect" and that that is the Body of Christ, and that the entire N.T. is addressed only to "the church" is an error that dates back to the 4th Century Catholic Church.  God has a separate "agenda" for Israel and it will come to pass when God sets up his earthly Kingdom.

But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me [Paul], as the gospel of the circumcision was unto PeterGalatians 2:7
1 Peter 1:1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers [parepidēmos] scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,
parepidēmos - one who comes from a foreign country into a city or land to reside there by the side of the natives - these are the diaspora of Jews he is writing to.

 

 

I agree with a lot you say but you are over dividing the word here. Christians are ALSO kings and priests to God. The New Covenant applies to both the church and the nation of Israel since we have been grafted into the the olive tree. 

The danger you get into with two gospels being preached now, one to Israel and one to Gentiles, is it can become a discombobulated mess. My brother married a Jewish girl who got saved by the gospel Paul preached. My two nephews (her children) also got saved hearing the same gospel. Are they not saved because they didn't respond to the gospel of the circumcision? Who even preaches that today?

Paul himself preached salvation to the Jews in Acts but never preached a "gospel of circumcision" to them. 

I will grant you, though, that there are different gospel and Peter was preaching something different to the Jews early on which changed when Paul received his revelation (i.e. "my gospel"). It's more of a gospel of the kingdom but it seemed to be transitioned out as the Jews rejected their Messiah and his kingdom. 

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39 minutes ago, Critical Mass said:

I agree with a lot you say but you are over dividing the word here. Christians are ALSO kings and priests to God. The New Covenant applies to both the church and the nation of Israel since we have been grafted into the the olive tree. 

The danger you get into with two gospels being preached now, one to Israel and one to Gentiles, is it can become a discombobulated mess. My brother married a Jewish girl who got saved by the gospel Paul preached. My two nephews (her children) also got saved hearing the same gospel. Are they not saved because they didn't respond to the gospel of the circumcision? Who even preaches that today?

Paul himself preached salvation to the Jews in Acts but never preached a "gospel of circumcision" to them. 

I will grant you, though, that there are different gospel and Peter was preaching something different to the Jews early on which changed when Paul received his revelation (i.e. "my gospel"). It's more of a gospel of the kingdom but it seemed to be transitioned out as the Jews rejected their Messiah and his kingdom. 

I agree with most of what you are saying here.  There was a one-year "grace period" from the resurrection to the stoning of Stephen due to the "ignorance" of Israel.  After that, Paul was saved and the gospel of grace through faith alone was gradually revealed to Paul over a period of years.  The gospel announcing the coming King and Kingdom "died out" due to lack of interest on the part of national Israel.  However, the Gospels contain information and instructions for some yet-future Israeli Jews who will be believers in the Kingdom (see Mt. 24 & 25, for example).  I personally would place Revelation in this category as well.  As for the "olive tree" analogy, it all depends on how you interpret the meaning of: "partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree" (ie: how far you carry the "analogy" in Romans 11:17-21).

Romans 11:23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.

God bless

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5 hours ago, swathdiver said:

For a moment I thought I was reading an episode of the twilight zone and then realized it was the protestants at online baptist!  

Worse, much of this stuff is downright cultish teaching and totally contrary to Scripture.

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11 hours ago, John81 said:

Worse, much of this stuff is downright cultish teaching and totally contrary to Scripture.

What about Reformed Doctrine, John? Is that "cultish"? At least have the guts to name our names.

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19 hours ago, beameup said:

I agree with most of what you are saying here.  There was a one-year "grace period" from the resurrection to the stoning of Stephen due to the "ignorance" of Israel.  After that, Paul was saved and the gospel of grace through faith alone was gradually revealed to Paul over a period of years.  The gospel announcing the coming King and Kingdom "died out" due to lack of interest on the part of national Israel.  However, the Gospels contain information and instructions for some yet-future Israeli Jews who will be believers in the Kingdom (see Mt. 24 & 25, for example).  I personally would place Revelation in this category as well.  As for the "olive tree" analogy, it all depends on how you interpret the meaning of: "partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree" (ie: how far you carry the "analogy" in Romans 11:17-21).

Romans 11:23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.

God bless

Not sure if it was "lack of interest". Paul three times told the Jews "salvation of God is sent unto the Gentiles" after the third time they rejected his preaching. So, when Acts was over things were definitely different.

 

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Acts 1:4.  And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me.

The promise of the Father.  What was that? Remember that that Paul said Rom 15:8  Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:

So there you have it . Now back to acts.

5  For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.
6 ¶  When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
7  And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
8  But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

So they did get their answer.  When they received power at Penteccost.

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6 minutes ago, Invicta said:

Acts 1:4.  And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me.

The promise of the Father.  What was that? Remember that that Paul said Rom 15:8  Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:

So there you have it . Now back to acts.

Thanks.

That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering up of the Gentiles might be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Ghost.  Romans 15:16
And Paul was a minister to the uncircumcision
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Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began  Romans 16:25
How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words, Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ) Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;  Ephesians 3:3-5

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19 hours ago, swathdiver said:

For a moment I thought I was reading an episode of the twilight zone and then realized it was the protestants at online baptist!  

Stick to the baby bottle, some meat is being served up right now.

1 hour ago, Invicta said:

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No where near as cultish as your teaching of two gospels.

Five gospels actually. 

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Ahh yes, let's not forget to tell us how smart you folks are and how stupid we are:

“Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,” - Romans 1:22

"He that walketh with wise men shall be wise: but a companion of fools shall be destroyed." - Proverbs 13:20

"Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise." 1 Corinthians 3:18

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There is, was and always will be one Gospel of salvation for anyone and everyone. All who were saved, are saved, will be saved enjoy salvation by grace through faith in Christ Jesus. That is Bible truth and Scripture says anyone presenting any other "gospel" is presenting a false gospel no one should have anything to do with.

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Galatians 1:6-9 -- "I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.  But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.  As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed."

(Note: I wonder -- Is it unkind and unloving to indicate publicly that some individuals should be viewed as accursed?)

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