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We are Ambassadors.  Just as an earthly kingdom or nation would have an Ambassador, so too Christ has representatives of his Heavenly Kingdom.                    2 Corinthians 5:17-21   Our Ministry is one of Reconciliation - we are to spread the Word of Reconciliation (how that God wants men to be Reconciled to Him, through his Son, the Lord Jesus Christ).

Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation; To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us [proclaim] the word of reconciliation. Now then we are Ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God. For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

 

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The Apostle to the Gentiles never once uses the terms "priest", "priests" or "priesthood" in his Epistles.

1 Cor 4:16 Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me.  (witness 1)

1 Cor 11:1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ  (witness 2)

Phil 3:17 Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample. (witness 3)

 

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As I just said in Pastor Markle's thread...

You're right...he doesn't.

However...

He certainly used the word "minister" a whole lot...and I mean a WHOLE lot.

What were the priests? Ministers. What was their duty? To minister.

Like it or not, you're a priest. Do you serve God? Do you serve his people? If so, you're a priest.

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16 minutes ago, beameup said:

The Apostle to the Gentiles never once uses the terms "priest", "priests" or "priesthood" in his Epistles.

The Apostle to the Gentiles never once uses the term "baptist" either, but I see that you claim to be one.

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And the "Apostle to the Gentiles" also spent a great deal of time preaching/teaching the Gospel to Jews too; the exact same, one and only Gospel in Scripture. Saved by grace through faith Jews and Gentiles are priests and ambassadors of the Lord.

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On 1/13/2016 at 10:47 PM, beameup said:

The Apostle to the Gentiles never once uses the terms "priest", "priests" or "priesthood" in his Epistles.

1 Cor 4:16 Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me.  (witness 1)

1 Cor 11:1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ  (witness 2)

Phil 3:17 Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample. (witness 3)

 

I disagree with you here. The church age Christian is a priest and king. If you can boldly approach the throne of grace (aka the mercy seat) then you are a priest. 

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We need to consider what a priest is, at least from a Jewish perspective: The priests stood between the supplicant and the Lord-they kind of opened the doorway between them. Is this not our job, to open the way, (or at least point the way through the opened door) of salvation for the lost sinner to find the Lord? So yes, we are all priests in that sense-we stand in the gap and show the way and teach the truth.  

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14 hours ago, Critical Mass said:

I disagree with you here. The church age Christian is a priest and king. If you can boldly approach the throne of grace (aka the mercy seat) then you are a priest. 

1. In which kingdom are we kings?  

2. The French word for priest is sacrificateur, someone who offers sacrifices.  

 

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  1 Peter 2:4-6

To whom coming, as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, and precious, ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.  Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.”

When Peter wrote that he was writing to gentiles.

 

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On ‎1‎/‎14‎/‎2016 at 7:18 AM, Invicta said:

  1 Peter 2:4-6

To whom coming, as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, and precious, ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.  Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.”

When Peter wrote that he was writing to gentiles.

 

Peter is identified as the apostle to the circumcision [Gal 2:7].  He wrote to his brethren.  In this case, Peter is reminded of the promise of God to Israel: And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel. Exodus 19:6  Had Israel repented as a Nation, this would have literally been fulfilled at that time upon Messiah's return.

"Assuming" that there is only one group of "elect" and that that is the Body of Christ, and that the entire N.T. is addressed only to "the church" is an error that dates back to the 4th Century Catholic Church.  God has a separate "agenda" for Israel and it will come to pass when God sets up his earthly Kingdom.

But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me [Paul], as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;  Galatians 2:7
1 Peter 1:1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers [parepidēmos] scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,
parepidēmos - one who comes from a foreign country into a city or land to reside there by the side of the natives - these are the diaspora of Jews he is writing to.

 

 

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1 hour ago, beameup said:

Peter is identified as the apostle to the circumcision [Gal 2:7].  He wrote to his brethren.  In this case, Peter is reminded of the promise of God to Israel: And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel. Exodus 19:6  Had Israel repented as a Nation, this would have literally been fulfilled at that time upon Messiah's return.

"Assuming" that there is only one group of "elect" and that that is the Body of Christ, and that the entire N.T. is addressed only to "the church" is an error that dates back to the 4th Century Catholic Church.  God has a separate "agenda" for Israel and it will come to pass when God sets up his earthly Kingdom.

But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me [Paul], as the gospel of the circumcision was unto PeterGalatians 2:7
1 Peter 1:1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers [parepidēmos] scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,
parepidēmos - one who comes from a foreign country into a city or land to reside there by the side of the natives - these are the diaspora of Jews he is writing to.

 

 

I agree with a lot you say but you are over dividing the word here. Christians are ALSO kings and priests to God. The New Covenant applies to both the church and the nation of Israel since we have been grafted into the the olive tree. 

The danger you get into with two gospels being preached now, one to Israel and one to Gentiles, is it can become a discombobulated mess. My brother married a Jewish girl who got saved by the gospel Paul preached. My two nephews (her children) also got saved hearing the same gospel. Are they not saved because they didn't respond to the gospel of the circumcision? Who even preaches that today?

Paul himself preached salvation to the Jews in Acts but never preached a "gospel of circumcision" to them. 

I will grant you, though, that there are different gospel and Peter was preaching something different to the Jews early on which changed when Paul received his revelation (i.e. "my gospel"). It's more of a gospel of the kingdom but it seemed to be transitioned out as the Jews rejected their Messiah and his kingdom. 

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39 minutes ago, Critical Mass said:

I agree with a lot you say but you are over dividing the word here. Christians are ALSO kings and priests to God. The New Covenant applies to both the church and the nation of Israel since we have been grafted into the the olive tree. 

The danger you get into with two gospels being preached now, one to Israel and one to Gentiles, is it can become a discombobulated mess. My brother married a Jewish girl who got saved by the gospel Paul preached. My two nephews (her children) also got saved hearing the same gospel. Are they not saved because they didn't respond to the gospel of the circumcision? Who even preaches that today?

Paul himself preached salvation to the Jews in Acts but never preached a "gospel of circumcision" to them. 

I will grant you, though, that there are different gospel and Peter was preaching something different to the Jews early on which changed when Paul received his revelation (i.e. "my gospel"). It's more of a gospel of the kingdom but it seemed to be transitioned out as the Jews rejected their Messiah and his kingdom. 

I agree with most of what you are saying here.  There was a one-year "grace period" from the resurrection to the stoning of Stephen due to the "ignorance" of Israel.  After that, Paul was saved and the gospel of grace through faith alone was gradually revealed to Paul over a period of years.  The gospel announcing the coming King and Kingdom "died out" due to lack of interest on the part of national Israel.  However, the Gospels contain information and instructions for some yet-future Israeli Jews who will be believers in the Kingdom (see Mt. 24 & 25, for example).  I personally would place Revelation in this category as well.  As for the "olive tree" analogy, it all depends on how you interpret the meaning of: "partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree" (ie: how far you carry the "analogy" in Romans 11:17-21).

Romans 11:23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.

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5 hours ago, swathdiver said:

For a moment I thought I was reading an episode of the twilight zone and then realized it was the protestants at online baptist!  

Worse, much of this stuff is downright cultish teaching and totally contrary to Scripture.

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19 hours ago, beameup said:

I agree with most of what you are saying here.  There was a one-year "grace period" from the resurrection to the stoning of Stephen due to the "ignorance" of Israel.  After that, Paul was saved and the gospel of grace through faith alone was gradually revealed to Paul over a period of years.  The gospel announcing the coming King and Kingdom "died out" due to lack of interest on the part of national Israel.  However, the Gospels contain information and instructions for some yet-future Israeli Jews who will be believers in the Kingdom (see Mt. 24 & 25, for example).  I personally would place Revelation in this category as well.  As for the "olive tree" analogy, it all depends on how you interpret the meaning of: "partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree" (ie: how far you carry the "analogy" in Romans 11:17-21).

Romans 11:23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.

God bless

Not sure if it was "lack of interest". Paul three times told the Jews "salvation of God is sent unto the Gentiles" after the third time they rejected his preaching. So, when Acts was over things were definitely different.

 

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Acts 1:4.  And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me.

The promise of the Father.  What was that? Remember that that Paul said Rom 15:8  Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:

So there you have it . Now back to acts.

5  For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.
6 ¶  When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
7  And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
8  But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

So they did get their answer.  When they received power at Penteccost.

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6 minutes ago, Invicta said:

Acts 1:4.  And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me.

The promise of the Father.  What was that? Remember that that Paul said Rom 15:8  Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:

So there you have it . Now back to acts.

Thanks.

That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering up of the Gentiles might be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Ghost.  Romans 15:16
And Paul was a minister to the uncircumcision
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Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began  Romans 16:25
How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words, Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ) Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;  Ephesians 3:3-5
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19 hours ago, swathdiver said:

For a moment I thought I was reading an episode of the twilight zone and then realized it was the protestants at online baptist!  

Stick to the baby bottle, some meat is being served up right now.

1 hour ago, Invicta said:

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No where near as cultish as your teaching of two gospels.

Five gospels actually. 

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Ahh yes, let's not forget to tell us how smart you folks are and how stupid we are:

“Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,” - Romans 1:22

"He that walketh with wise men shall be wise: but a companion of fools shall be destroyed." - Proverbs 13:20

"Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise." 1 Corinthians 3:18

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There is, was and always will be one Gospel of salvation for anyone and everyone. All who were saved, are saved, will be saved enjoy salvation by grace through faith in Christ Jesus. That is Bible truth and Scripture says anyone presenting any other "gospel" is presenting a false gospel no one should have anything to do with.

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Galatians 1:6-9 -- "I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.  But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.  As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed."

(Note: I wonder -- Is it unkind and unloving to indicate publicly that some individuals should be viewed as accursed?)

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17 hours ago, beameup said:

Thanks.

That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering up of the Gentiles might be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Ghost.  Romans 15:16
And Paul was a minister to the uncircumcision

So?

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11 hours ago, Pastor Scott Markle said:

(Note: I wonder -- Is it unkind and unloving to indicate publicly that some individuals should be viewed as accursed?)

Not at all Pastor!  We're to mark them, reprove them, rebuke them and avoid them.  We do this to protect ourselves and our loved ones and our local church.

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On 08/02/2016 at 2:16 AM, beameup said:

Peter is identified as the apostle to the circumcision [Gal 2:7].  He wrote to his brethren.  In this case, Peter is reminded of the promise of God to Israel: And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel. Exodus 19:6  Had Israel repented as a Nation, this would have literally been fulfilled at that time upon Messiah's return.

"Assuming" that there is only one group of "elect" and that that is the Body of Christ, and that the entire N.T. is addressed only to "the church" is an error that dates back to the 4th Century Catholic Church.  God has a separate "agenda" for Israel and it will come to pass when God sets up his earthly Kingdom.

But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me [Paul], as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;  Galatians 2:7
1 Peter 1:1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers [parepidēmos] scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,
parepidēmos - one who comes from a foreign country into a city or land to reside there by the side of the natives - these are the diaspora of Jews he is writing to.

 

 

Peter was also the first to preach the gospel to gentiles. His ministry was mainly to the circumcision but he also preached to gentiles.  Paul also preached to the Jews.  He seemed to often head first to the synagogue when he entered a city.   Neither of their ministries were exclusive.

The London City Mission has a missionary to Railwaymen, another to Firemen, and the Police and other trades, but their ministry is not exclusive, they preach to whoever will hear.

You have repeatedly said that the following verses apply only to the Jews. 

Luke 2:38  Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. 39  For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
 

Those that are far off are us, and you will see the message is to 3  even as many as the Lord our God shall call.so the messaage is to those who God will call, not to the Jews only.

Your teaching is a dangerous error, cutting much of the word of God from needy sinners.

 

 

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4 hours ago, Invicta said:

Peter was also the first to preach the gospel to gentiles. His ministry was mainly to the circumcision but he also preached to gentiles.  Paul also preached to the Jews.  He seemed to often head first to the synagogue when he entered a city.   Neither of their ministries were exclusive.

The London City Mission has a missionary to Railwaymen, another to Firemen, and the Police and other trades, but their ministry is not exclusive, they preach to whoever will hear.

You have repeatedly said that the following verses apply only to the Jews. 

Luke 2:38  Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. 39  For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
 

Those that are far off are us, and you will see the message is to 3  even as many as the Lord our God shall call.so the messaage is to those who God will call, not to the Jews only.

Your teaching is a dangerous error, cutting much of the word of God from needy sinners.

 

 

 You are mischaracterizing.  The Kingdom was promised to Israel.  The Gospel of Grace has no "message" of a Kingdom on earth, in order to be saved. Ephesians 2:8-9, 1 Cor 15

The false teaching is telling someone that they are "Spiritual Israel" and that God's Kingdom is already on the earth, and Jesus is "ruling from heaven".

Of course Paul went to the synagogue, because that was the ekklesia (assembly, often translated "church"), because there was no official "meeting place" for Gentiles (except the pagan temples).  Eventually, "house churches" were established, but records exist that show that many synagogues were "mixed" (ie: included some Yeshua believers) as late as the 3rd century.

Again, it is wrong to present the Gospel to sinners by informing them that they must believe in and will belong to a Kingdom on the earth.  That is why the "Lord's Prayer" is unnecessary, as it was a message that was presented to Israel (see Mat 6, Luke 11).  The "destiny" of the Body of Christ is HEAVEN.  The "Earthly Kingdom" (still) belongs to Israel. (see Isa 60, 61, 62 etc.)

Apparently, some are essentially calling Paul a LIAR, because he tells us that the Gospel revealed to him was revealed directly to him by Jesus and that hitherto, it had been a mystery that was unknown. Romans 16:25, Col 1:26  But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man. For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.  Galatians 1:11-12

BTW, "those that are afar off" is a reference to the Jewish diaspora.  Peter's message was directed at Jews and concerned the Kingdom.

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Well now, I have a question for those who believe in more than one gospel (that is -- the gospel of the kingdom and the gospel of grace):

Did our Lord Jesus Christ Himself preach and teach a different gospel than the apostle Paul preached and taught?

(Note: Since my postings have been "blocked" by certain individuals, I would request that one of the members who has not been "blocked" might simply repeat my question.)

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Oh dear my last post seems to have disappeared just as I clicked "Submit Reply"

14 minutes ago, Pastor Scott Markle said:

Well now, I have a question for those who believe in more than one gospel (that is -- the gospel of the kingdom and the gospel of grace):

Did our Lord Jesus Christ Himself preach and teach a different gospel than the apostle Paul preached and taught?

No I don't but I am answering anyway if that is OK

 

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Just now, Invicta said:

Oh dear my last post seems to have disappeared just as I clicked "Submit Reply"

Yeah, that has happened to me a few times recently also.  It is quite frustrating when my posting was fairly long.  I am trying to remember to save it all before posting, just in case.

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Mark 1:1 ¶  The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;
2  As it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.
3  The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.
4  John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.

Mark says that John the Baptist, the last OT prophet  began the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God.

This was the very "beginning," the very first event of that long expected era. "THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST, THE SON OF GOD." But John's ministry was of short duration; for the enmity of the Jews was speedily aroused, because of the contradiction between his preaching and their expectations; and he was cast into prison. And then happened another event of transcendent interest; for the public ministry of Christ Himself (whose "way" John had been sent to "prepare") forthwith began. For it is written:

Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the Kingdom of God, and saying, The time is fulfilled, and the Kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel" (vv. 14, 15).

These words make it evident that "the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God," and "the gospel of the Kingdom of God" are one and the same. Moreover, the words, "The time is fulfilled" manifestly point to something of exceptional importance whereof promises had been given by the prophets. They refer, of course, to that promised era of victory over sin, that era of the bruising of the serpent's head, of the salvation of God for all men through the coming of the promised Deliverer, the era of the everlasting covenant and the sure mercies of David; in a word, they referred to the appointed time for the fulfilment of all the glorious things that God had spoken by the mouth of all His holy prophets since the world began. "The time" for the thing for which all believing hearts had looked and longed, was "fulfilled." So said Christ; and He also exhorted those who heard the announcement, to repent, and believethe gospel." Note that the proclamation that the time was fulfilled He calls "the gospel."   

Now if the Kingdom was at hand in the time of John the Baptist and Jesus, how can it be several millennia off? 

 

 

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John 3:5  Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 

John 18:36  Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

Rom 14:17  For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.

1Corr 15:50  Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God;

Col 4:11  And Jesus, which is called Justus, who are of the circumcision. These only are my fellow workers unto the kingdom of God, which have been a comfort unto me.
Col 1:13  Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
1Th 2:12  That ye would walk worthy of God, who hath called you* unto his kingdom and glory.
Re 1:9  I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.

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      It is unfortunate that today sex is everywhere.  The clothing that men and women wear in the secular world is unbelievable, to say the least.  We would have to wear blindfolds to keep from looking a second time.  So, I believe that for this debate, everything must be simplified because I believe Jesus made it simple.  Divorce is Adultery. You just can't get around it.  I have tried, and the conviction of the Holy Spirit will not allow it!  ANYONE who Divorces his wife SAVE FOR THE CAUSE OF FORNICATION, causes her to commit adultery (Matt 5:32, Matt 19:9).  Now, we can slice it, dice it, filet it, and beat it to death, but, Divorce is Divorce, and if you have divorced, there is NO scripture that will support a man being a Pastor or Deacon.  I have tried to get around it, but have always been convicted to the contrary.  I believe the following to be the reason.
      First of all, there are still those men that are available for ministry that God has CALLED to be Pastors and Deacons, (although this too is waning in this present evil world).  Men who are married to their first and only wife.  The reason for this requirement is first, for those exact men, and second, because of the world.  If we do begin to fill the offices of Pastors and Deacons with Divorced men, then it will erode marriage (more and more Pastors or their wives will be tempted to Divorce), it will diminish the offices, and it will bring controversy and contempt from the World.  Remember; Rom 14:21  "It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak."  Therefor, I will not allow myself to do a great disservice to the church or the Kingdom of Heaven by allowing myself to be ordained as a Pastor of Deacon.  Can I still preach?  Yes.  Can I still serve in the mission field? Yes.  I can do any other thing but fill these offices FORMALLY. I have been disqualified.  Also, I believe that those in these offices have a responsibility to not, through action or inaction, create an environment that seemingly makes Divorce an unpardonable sin. Use those whom God has given to you to use the gifts the Spirit of God has given them.  Don't be guilty of quenching the Holy Spirit in someone's life. 
      I also must remind the reader that if men were to regard the requirements of 1 Tim 3:2,12, and Tit 1.6, then I fear there would be no Pastors or Deacons.  So, the argument could be made that our standards have become relaxed in filling these offices.
      So, I exhort everyone that reads this to do the Word, preach the Word, quench not the Spirit, love the brethren, don't do anything that will cause a Brother or Sister to stumble and above all else, love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your spirit.  AMEN
    • By Roselove
      Please pray for my mom, she is having a hard time at her current job and she had an interview today and it went well it seems. They want to have her back tomorrow for a second one, please pray for God's will to be done!  
    • By Ukulelemike
      So, some years back I heard prosperity and word faith 'preacher' Kenneth Copeland talking about Job, and why he went through al his trials.
      Long story short, his explanation was the Job brought it on himself, because of his tendency to assume the possibility that his children had sinned, and his regular sacrifices, 'just in case', on their behalfs. So, because he had a 'negative' mindest, he essentially acted and thought himself open to the devil's influence-basically, he brought it on himself. His negative thoughts brought negative results.
      Recently I heard this repeated again by a fellow on Facebook, but he also added that Job surrounded himself with negative, wicked people, the ones who accused him of being wrong. 
      It was with great joy that I had to let this fellow know that he and Copeland were doing exactly what Job's "wicked" friends did: they blamed Job for his problems, just as they had. They took part in declaring Job to be at fault. That ended the conversation-of course, he is a collar-wearing chaplain who posts his great, hard work he does in God's name, to much lauding from followers. I guess this small-time country preacher's 'opinion' wasn't worth considering. lol. Funny how this fellow, and Ken Copeland, conveniently ignore the two conversations between the Lord and Satan, where the Lord declares Job righteous, high praise coming from the Creator. Almost like He was daring Satan to challenge Him.
    • By Donald
      My wife and I regularly sing in Church; And there is a song, that she has suggested that we sing called, “just one more soul”; But I have been against the idea, because I just didn’t like this song.  And this morning the Lord has shown me why “I don’t like it”: Because it is UnBiblical;  In several ways.
      Here is a line from the first verse.... “The preachers are weary, the singers are tired”:
      For one thing, if this is the case in your Church, than the preachers and singers, need to either find some other ministry to do(one God is calling them to), or they need to get saved.  Because doing things in the Spirit, will not be wearisome.
      But the next line, just might be right.... “The Church as we know it, is losing its fire”
      For sure, when members of a local Church are “laboring in the flesh”, they will lose God’s fire!
      And the last line of the first verse, gives the wrong response to this problem.....
      “But we must determine to keep pressing on”!
      If your laboring in the flesh, “more labor” is not the answer!
      Jesus said......
      "Come unto me, all [ye] that labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest." (Matthew 11:28)
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      Sure enough, there is some “work” involved, in staying close to the Lord; Such as Prayer and Bible study and Church attendance!  But, the fruit of this labor, is learning to follow the Lord’s instructions: And His instructions are not Burdensome!  They are fun!
       
    • By RevBob
      A warning for Christian ladies: this post may be inappropriate for you.  Make sure to get a permission from your husband or pastor before you attempt to read this post in its whole.
       
      One of the affiliates of my church specializes in preaching to various deviants, including preaching at California nude beaches.  He believes that, where appropriate and useful, such manner is justified by Isaiah's ministry.  I'm not sure I completely agree, especially when it comes to ministering to satanic women, of which there are plenty at such venues.  Nevetheless, he does lead people to Salvation.  Here's one letter to his ministry that he shared with us:
       
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