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Review of the book, “The Book of Revelation,”

By Clarence Larkin

Review by Alan

Background of Larkin

Clarence Larkin, October 28, 1850 to January 24, 1924, was a Baptist pastor and Bible expositor. Converted at age 19, he joined the Episcopal Church. He entered college and graduated as an Mechanical Engineer. Larkin did not attend any theological seminary.

Larkin left the Episcopal Church and became a Baptist. Larkin was ordained into the ministry and was an, “American Baptist Church,” pastor. “The Book of Revelation,” a detailed Commentary with visual Charts, was originally a 4-month Sunday morning sermon series later developed into a Bible Institute course and eventually in book form.

As Pastor Larkin was an accomplished draftsman he used his abilities to produce the well known visual charts in, “The Book of Revelation,” his other monumental work, “Dispensational Truth,” and other books.

Overview

The Book of Revelation commentary was written in the futuristic interpretation. Larkin divided the book according to the ‘Three-Fold Division,” given to us in Revelation 1:19 by the Lord Jesus, “Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter.” All though the book Larkin gives the reader the Old Testament prophecies concerning the nation of Israel, the Gentile nations of the world, the prophetic utterances of the Lord in Matthew 24, and the fulfillment of these appropriate prophetic prophecies in the order of fulfillment.

Chart of the timeline of Events

The book is well written with all of the major events of the book of Revelation charted in the proper sequence of events. The accompanied chart, “The Book of Revelation,” Chart # 4, gives the student of scripture a broad overview of the book of Revelation with appropriate scripture references.[1] Please note that the chart was obtained from the web link: http://clarencelarkincharts.com/ and the wording, “Chart # 4,” is the websites descriptive number and in not written in the chart in the book by Larkin.

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Throughout the book, various charts explain one another and the corresponding scripture references. The charts used in the book of Revelation by Larkin are available free of charge in the following web link: http://clarencelarkincharts.com/

Rapture of the Church

Larkin goes in great detail in interpreting that the coming of the Lord Jesus, as recorded in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18, hereafter called, ‘the rapture,’ in the clouds, and not to the earth, for the church-age saints in a clear, understandable manner. Larkin brings out interesting details concerning His coming as depicted in Matthew 17:1-9[2] and other verses. Larkin brings out conclusive scriptural proof that the coming of the Lord Jesus, the rapture, occurs before the start of the time of ‘Jacob’s Trouble, Revelation 6:1

Therefore, because the rapture occurs in type with  John being caught up in the Spirit in Revelation 4:1 and 2, the word, ‘pre,’ meaning ‘before,’ has been included in non-biblical terminology. The meaning is a ‘pre-tribulation coming (rapture) of the Lord Jesus for the church. Much ado has been made of scoffers who say, “The word pre is not in the bible.” the word ‘pre’ just simply means before. The rapture occurs symbolically in Revelation 4: 1 & 2 and occurs before Revelation 6.

The 24 Elders – Revelation 4:4

Larkin brings out conclusive scriptural proof that the 24 elders are made up of 12 Old Testament and 12 New Testament redeemed men.[3] This is further proof of the rapture of the church before (or pre) the 7-year tribulation period commences in Revelation 6:1

The Judgment Seat of Christ – Revelation 4:4

Larkin brings out conclusively that the 24 elders were given out crowns at the Judgment Seat of Christ as brought out by Paul in 2 Corinthians 3:11-15, 2 Corinthians 5:10 and other pertinent scripture references[4] with an accompanying chart.

Matthew 24, ‘The Olivet discourse.’

In addition to the prophecies of the Old Testament prophets and the order of the their fulfilment, Larkin goes into detail with the prophetic prophecies of the Lord in Matthew 24, ‘The Olivet discourse.’ Larkin carefully goes through all of the three questions asked by the disciples in Matthew 24:1-3 and the answers with an accompanying chart.[5] The questions and answers asked and given are arranged in order with the appropriate scripture fulfilment in Revelation.

Daniel 9:27 and the Two witnesses

Larkin gives an overview, not a detailed explanation, of Daniel 9:27 and the ministry of the two witnesses in Revelation 11:1-14[6]

The 7 Vials and the 10 Egyptian Plagues

One of the interesting side notes of the book of Revelation is the comparison of some, not all, of the 10 Egyptian Plagues in the book of Exodus compared with the vials. No doctrines are expostulated but Larkin brings out some interesting comparisons not usually thought of by the average Revelation commentator. The accompanying chart on the plagues and the vials is helpful in the comparison.[7]

The 1000 Year Reign of Christ – Revelation 20:4-6

Larkin proves, by the prophetic utterances by the prophets and the Lord Jesus that the Millennial Reign of Christ is the literal reign of Christ, in Jerusalem, with the Jews restored in the land of Israel.[8] The various accompanying charts in this section are of great value.

The Millennial Temple – Ezekiel 40:1 to 44:31

Larkin proves that the millennial temple will be a literal temple through scripture and historical facts.[9]

Concluding Remarks

Larkin was blessed with the gracious ability to guide the reader to the truth of the book of Revelation according to the spirit found in 2 Timothy 2:24, “And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient.” Pastor Larkin was a servant of the Lord Jesus in all areas and an example for all of us.

Some other personal characteristics of Larkin are observed as one reads the book.

  1. Larkin is not sensational. He is a matter-of-fact writer.

  2. Larkin believes the scriptures as they are written.

  3. When symbolism[10] is used in Revelation Larkin interprets it with scripture.

  4. The charts are well-drawn, easily understood, and major scripture, when applicable, are noted.

  5. The charts are illustrated with the adult student in mind and are not cartoonish, sensational, nor inappropriate. They are professional in all aspects and bring out the difficult aspects of the book of Revelation in a clear manner.

I would heartily recommend obtaining a copy of Pastor Clarence Larkin’s, ‘The Book of Revelation,’ to all serious students of prophecy.

Alan

 

[1] Larkin, Clarence. The Book of Revelation. 1919. Glenside, PA: Clarence Larkin Estate, n.d. & n.pag.

[2] Larkin, Clarence. The Book of Revelation. 1919. Glenside, PA: Clarence Larkin Estate, n.d., Page 33

[3] Larkin, Clarence. The Book of Revelation. 1919. Glenside, PA: Clarence Larkin Estate, n.d., Page 38

[4] Larkin, Clarence. The Book of Revelation. 1919. Glenside, PA: Clarence Larkin Estate, n.d., Page 38 & 39

 

[5] Larkin, Clarence. The Book of Revelation. 1919. Glenside, PA: Clarence Larkin Estate, n.d., Page 62-64

[6] Larkin, Clarence. The Book of Revelation. 1919. Glenside, PA: Clarence Larkin Estate, n.d., Page 82-88

[7] Larkin, Clarence. The Book of Revelation. 1919. Glenside, PA: Clarence Larkin Estate, n.d., Page 141

[8] Larkin, Clarence. The Book of Revelation. 1919. Glenside, PA: Clarence Larkin Estate, n.d., Page 176-191

[9] Larkin, Clarence. The Book of Revelation. 1919. Glenside, PA: Clarence Larkin Estate, n.d., Page 186 & 187

[10] Larkin, Clarence. The Book of Revelation. 1919. Glenside, PA: Clarence Larkin Estate, n.d., Page 32

 

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"Rightly Dividing" really is the key to understanding what applies to you and where you fit into God's plan.  I just left a IFB church because the pastor has no clue, he plucks verses out of context,  mixes and matches them and "throws them in a blender" and calls that his Spirit inspired "sermon".  No wonder his "congregation" are a bunch of immature "sheep" that have no understanding. 

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"Rightly Dividing" really is the key to understanding what applies to you and where you fit into God's plan.  I just left a IFB church because the pastor has no clue, he plucks verses out of context,  mixes and matches them and "throws them in a blender" and calls that his Spirit inspired "sermon".  No wonder his "congregation" are a bunch of immature "sheep" that have no understanding. 

Plucking verses out of context seems to be the norm.  Jacob's trouble only appears once in Jeremiah and Jeremiah said it applied to his day, and that God would bring the exile to an end, which he did.  Just because someone 100 years or so ago placed it in the future, we don't all have to follow like sheep.

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Plucking verses out of context seems to be the norm.  Jacob's trouble only appears once in Jeremiah and Jeremiah said it applied to his day, and that God would bring the exile to an end, which he did.  Just because someone 100 years or so ago placed it in the future, we don't all have to follow like sheep.

Jeremiah 30:7, "Alas! for the day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble; but he shall be saved out of it.

"... so that none is like it..."

This is not referring to the end of the Babylonian Captivity, nor any other historical incident in the history of Israel. It is a direct reference to the Tribulation Period as prophesied by the Lord Jesus in Matthew 24:13-22 and fulfilled in Revelation Chapter 6:1-19:10 The Lord Jesus plainly stated, "For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be." Matthew 24:21

For a person to say that the time of Jacob's trouble is just a historical event already taken place is a disbelief, and denial, of the very words by Jesus Christ Himself.

Jeremiah 30:8, "For it shall some to pass in that day, saith the LORD of hosts, that I will break his yoke from off thy neck, and will burst thy bonds, and strangers shall no more serve themselves of him."

"... that I will break his yoke from off thy neck, and will burst thy bonds, and strangers shall no more serve themselves of him."

Again, this was not true after the Babylonian Captivity nor any other time of the history of Israel. Even today, the nation of Israel is subject to the whims of the world, pressure from the United States, and pressure from the United Nations. Under Ezra, King Darius was still the King over Israel and decreeing what could be built and what not could be built, Ezra 6:1-15 After King Darius , King Artaxerxes, Ezra 7:1-27, ruled over Israel as King.

The book of Nehemiah is also quite clear that Nehemiah had to get permission under King Artaxerxes, Nehemiah 2:1-8, to repair Jerusalem, and Nehemiah 3, the wall, Nehemiah 7:1

Nehemiah 9:36 is very clear that Jeremiah 30:8 was not fulfilled after the captivity nor any time since, "Behold, we are servants this day, and for the land that thou gavest unto our fathers to eat the fruit thereof and the good therefor, behold, we are servants in it." Jeremiah 30:8. Even in the time of the Lord Jesus the Jews were servants in their own land. Again, to say that this applied in Jeremiah's age is historically not correct. 

Jeremiah 30:9, "But they shall serve the LORD their God, and David their King, whom I will raise up unto them."

"But they shall serve the LORD their God... " After the Captivity, and in every age since then, the glory of God was not in the Temple that the Jews built nor in Herod's Temple. So, this has not been fulfilled.

"... and David their King, whom I will raise up unto them."

King David has not been raised up from the dead. King David will be raised up from the dead and again reign in Israel as prophesied in Jeremiah 30:9.

Conclusion,

"The time of Jacob's trouble," has not been fulfilled in any way; either symbolically or historically. This is not a doctrine of Clarence Larkin, nor was it thought of 100 years ago: it is a biblical doctrine. God blessed Clarence Larkin with the ability to present it in a clear manner that we should be grateful to be able to study. To malign Clarence Larkin is not good.

“The time of Jacob’s trouble,” will be fulfilled as recorded in Revelation 6:1-19:10 To not to understand this fact is to show a person's lack of spiritual discernment, a lack of, "rightly dividing the scriptures," and a lack of belief in the literal fulfillment of the prophets.

Alan

 

 

 

 

 

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"Rightly Dividing" really is the key to understanding what applies to you and where you fit into God's plan.  I just left a IFB church because the pastor has no clue, he plucks verses out of context,  mixes and matches them and "throws them in a blender" and calls that his Spirit inspired "sermon".  No wonder his "congregation" are a bunch of immature "sheep" that have no understanding. 

beammeup is entirely correct. When a person is mature in the faith to be able to rightly divide the scriptures his walk with the Lord Jesus will be further enhanced.

 

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Thew whole of Jeremiah's  prophecies 

beammeup is entirely correct. When a person is mature in the faith to be able to rightly divide the scriptures his walk with the Lord Jesus will be further enhanced.

 

Thanks, I will read Jeremiah again.  We recently read Jeremiah in our daily readings and I did not understand those verses to be any different from his dire warnings of the then current events and that God would b ring the Jews back from the captivity, then Christ would come, which He did.  

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Jeremiah 30:9, "But they shall serve the LORD their God, and David their King, whom I will raise up unto them."

"But they shall serve the LORD their God... " After the Captivity, and in every age since then, the glory of God was not in the Temple that the Jews built nor in Herod's Temple. So, this has not been fulfilled.

"... and David their King, whom I will raise up unto them."

King David has not been raised up from the dead. King David will be raised up from the dead and again reign in Israel as prophesied in Jeremiah 30:9.

Alan

I neglected to give the reference verse to King David being raised from the dead as Jeremiah 30:9 prophesied.

In Ezekiel 37:1-14 we read the vision of the, "Dry Bones." This is a prophesy of the future restoration of the nation from the "graves" of the nations of the world.

 In Ezekiel 37:15-23 we have the vision of the, "Two Sticks," one stick representing Judah and one stick representing Joseph. One day, in the future, God will reunite them, and all of the tribes of the sons of Israel, and lastly Ezekiel prophies the great prophecy that David will be raised up, "at that day."

Ezekiel 37:24 & 25,"And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them. And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever."

The title of "Prince," for King David is a direct and irrefutable reference to the Millennial Temple as prophesied by Ezekiel in Ezekiel 44:1-3 and 46:1-24

King David has not been raised from the dead to fulfill these literal prophesies. The raising of King David from the dead will be fulfilled literally and David's official functions as King and Prince will be fulfiled to the letter exactly as Jeremiah and Ezekiel foretells. All of the above prophescies of Jeremiah and Ezekiel will be fulfilled during the 1000 Year Reign of Christ as revealed in Revelation 20:4-6

Therefore, the prophesy of, "The Time of Jacob's Trouble," as written in Jeremiah 30:7-9 has not been fulfilled. The notes by Clarence Larkin in his book, "The Book of Revelation," concerning, "The Time of Jacob's Trouble," are correct in its entirety.

Alan

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OK I have read it again and it is still part of the prophecy of those days.  The captivity would be long and they were to build houses.  Their current troubles were Jacob's trouble but the Lord would bring them back from captivity.  We know, like Daniel, from Jeremiah that the captivity would be 70 years.

Please show me where this prophecy jumps to the future. 

Jer 29:28  For therefore he sent unto us in Babylon, saying, This captivity is long: build ye houses, and dwell in them; and plant gardens, and eat the fruit of them.
29  And Zephaniah the priest read this letter in the ears of Jeremiah the prophet.
30  Then came the word of the LORD unto Jeremiah, saying,
31  Send to all them of the captivity, saying, Thus saith the LORD concerning Shemaiah the Nehelamite; Because that Shemaiah hath prophesied unto you, and I sent him not, and he caused you to trust in a lie:
32  Therefore thus saith the LORD; Behold, I will punish Shemaiah the Nehelamite, and his seed: he shall not have a man to dwell among this people; neither shall he behold the good that I will do for my people, saith the LORD; because he hath taught rebellion against the LORD.
1 ¶  The word that came to Jeremiah from the LORD, saying,
2  Thus speaketh the LORD God of Israel, saying, Write thee all the words that I have spoken unto thee in a book.
3  For, lo, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will bring again the captivity of my people Israel and Judah, saith the LORD: and I will cause them to return to the land that I gave to their fathers, and they shall possess it.
4  And these are the words that the LORD spake concerning Israel and concerning Judah.
5  For thus saith the LORD; We have heard a voice of trembling, of fear, and not of peace.
6  Ask ye now, and see whether a man doth travail with child? wherefore do I see every man with his hands on his loins, as a woman in travail, and all faces are turned into paleness?
7  Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob’s trouble; but he shall be saved out of it.
8  For it shall come to pass in that day, saith the LORD of hosts, that I will break his yoke from off thy neck, and will burst thy bonds, and strangers shall no more serve themselves of him:9  But they shall serve the LORD their God, and David their king, whom I will raise up unto them. 10 ¶  Therefore fear thou not, O my servant Jacob, saith the LORD; neither be dismayed, O Israel: for, lo, I will save thee from afar, and thy seed from the land of their captivity; and Jacob shall return, and shall be in rest, and be quiet, and none shall make him afraid.

It seems I didn't post the above but since you have posted further, very imaginative I will add:

I see David being raised as the Lord Jesus, the Son of David, and many Jews ended up serving him.

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OK I have read it again and it is still part of the prophecy of those days.  The captivity would be long and they were to build houses.  Their current troubles were Jacob's trouble but the Lord would bring them back from captivity.  We know, like Daniel, from Jeremiah that the captivity would be 70 years.

Please show me where this prophecy jumps to the future. 

Jer 29:28  For therefore he sent unto us in Babylon, saying, This captivity is long: build ye houses, and dwell in them; and plant gardens, and eat the fruit of them.
29  And Zephaniah the priest read this letter in the ears of Jeremiah the prophet.
30  Then came the word of the LORD unto Jeremiah, saying,
31  Send to all them of the captivity, saying, Thus saith the LORD concerning Shemaiah the Nehelamite; Because that Shemaiah hath prophesied unto you, and I sent him not, and he caused you to trust in a lie:
32  Therefore thus saith the LORD; Behold, I will punish Shemaiah the Nehelamite, and his seed: he shall not have a man to dwell among this people; neither shall he behold the good that I will do for my people, saith the LORD; because he hath taught rebellion against the LORD.
1 ¶  The word that came to Jeremiah from the LORD, saying,
2  Thus speaketh the LORD God of Israel, saying, Write thee all the words that I have spoken unto thee in a book.
3  For, lo, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will bring again the captivity of my people Israel and Judah, saith the LORD: and I will cause them to return to the land that I gave to their fathers, and they shall possess it.
4  And these are the words that the LORD spake concerning Israel and concerning Judah.
5  For thus saith the LORD; We have heard a voice of trembling, of fear, and not of peace.
6  Ask ye now, and see whether a man doth travail with child? wherefore do I see every man with his hands on his loins, as a woman in travail, and all faces are turned into paleness?
7  Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob’s trouble; but he shall be saved out of it.
8  For it shall come to pass in that day, saith the LORD of hosts, that I will break his yoke from off thy neck, and will burst thy bonds, and strangers shall no more serve themselves of him:9  But they shall serve the LORD their God, and David their king, whom I will raise up unto them. 10 ¶  Therefore fear thou not, O my servant Jacob, saith the LORD; neither be dismayed, O Israel: for, lo, I will save thee from afar, and thy seed from the land of their captivity; and Jacob shall return, and shall be in rest, and be quiet, and none shall make him afraid.

It seems I didn't post the above but since you have posted further, very imaginative I will add:

I see David being raised as the Lord Jesus, the Son of David, and many Jews ended up serving him.

Invicta and fellow Brethren,

The prophecy of Jeremiah 29:28-32 and 30:1-3 has absolutly nothing to do with the prophecy of Jeremiah 30:7-10, "The Time of Jacob's Trouble."  The prophecy of Jeremiah 29:28-32 and 30:1-3 was indeed fulfilled after the captivity. As I proved irrefuteably, the prophecy of Jeremiah 30:7-10, "The time of Jacoob's Trouble," is still future. None, absolutly none, of the prophecies of Jeremiah 30:7-10 was fulfilled after the Bablylonian Captivity.

Alan

 

 

 

 

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It's not unusual for a prophecy to have a "partial fulfillment" and then a yet future "fulfillment".  For example, in Acts 2 Peter says "But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel".  Note that the Holy Spirit did not say that this is a fulfillment of Joel's prophecy, but that it was "spoken of" by the prophet.  Paying very close attention to "the details" often reveal things we otherwise might miss or "gloss over".  Of course, if you are a preterist, then it is necessary for you to somehow find that all prophecies have been fulfilled.

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It's not unusual for a prophecy to have a "partial fulfillment" and then a yet future "fulfillment".  For example, in Acts 2 Peter says "But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel".  Note that the Holy Spirit did not say that this is a fulfillment of Joel's prophecy, but that it was "spoken of" by the prophet.  Paying very close attention to "the details" often reveal things we otherwise might miss or "gloss over".  Of course, if you are a preterist, then it is necessary for you to somehow find that all prophecies have been fulfilled.

I am not a preterist and don't believe that all prophecies have been fulfilled, but then I am not a futurist so I don't believe that all prophecies are in the future.  

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Invicta,

I am very happy to hear that you are not a preterist.

Alan

I have said it often enough and have disgreed on the subject with Covenanter and others.  Preterists have to believe the so called early date for the Revelation  I do not.  I think the historical evidence for a late date is overwhelming.      

 

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I do hope that the discussion on Jeremiah 29 and 30 and its relationship of the time of Jacob's trouble as prophesied in Jeremiah 30:7-9 has been a blessing to all of you. If there are any other topics that need to be discussed concerning the book of Revelation by Larkin please let me know.

One fact that some brethren often overlook when studying chapter Revelation 6:1-19:10, the 7 Year Tribulatian Period, is that all the signs given by the Lord Jesus in Matthew 24 (discussed by Larkin on pages 62-64) are given to the Jews and not to the saints in the church age. We need to remind ourselves what the Lord Jesus told the early church.

The Lord Jesus plainly stated to the disciples concerning His coming again and restoring the kingdom to Israel, (see Acts 1:6), "And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power." Acts 1:7 None of the signs of the times listed in the scriptures are for the church; they are all for the Jews.

Alan

 

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While I agree that the signs were given to the Jews, it was to the Christian Jews, and they were told to flee to the mountains when they saw Jerusalem surrounded by armies. I see nothing to say that that tribulation was for seven years,  Many things are supposed to happen in the tribulation, A bombs etc, In fact one writer said it was the A-BOMB-ination of tribulation.  All supposition  but I would appreciate it if anyone will offer their thoughts on what will happen during the tribulation and the extent of the same.  Of Course Matt, Mark and Luke do not mention the Antichrist in their accounts. 

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If you remember my Revelation Chapter 19-22 Study you may remember that I deliberately did not start with the 7 Year Tribulation period, but I started with Revelation Chapter 19

I am completely convinced that the church will not go through the, “time of Jacob’s trouble.” Most of Revelation 6:1-19:10 have been mangled by profit seeking saints, confused Charismatics, confused fundamentalists (Pastor Steven Anderson and Kent Hovind for example), and heretics above number.

I have pretty well stayed away from Revelation 6:1-19:10 in order to keep some resemblance of peace among the brethren in this forum. If a person wants to remain some semblance of sanity in studying prophecy I would suggest not, repeat not, watch any video put out by Pastor Steven Anderson, any Charismatic, or other sensationalist prophecy video.

As you asked a reasonable question, I will answer your question about the seven years and give a broad overview of 7 Year Tribulation Period in Revelation 6:1-19:10 And, since this thread is concerning the book on Revelation by Clarence Larkin, I will try and further limit my answers by what a person may discover by reading Larkin’s commentary. I do not want to deviate too much from this thread and if any moderator decides to curtail my answer, or this discussion, for any reason, that is acceptable with me. As the books of Mark and Luke are not mentioned by Larkin, I will not reference those two books.

To make sure that the moderators want me to continue this line of discussion on this thread, or to proceed to another thread, or to discontinue this line of discussion, I will wait another day before proceeding.

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If you remember by Revelation Chapter 19-22 Study you may remember that I deliberately did not start with the 7 Year Tribulation period, but I started with Revelation Chapter 19

I am completely convinced that the church will not go through the, “time of Jacob’s trouble.” Most of Revelation 6:1-19:10 have been mangled by profit seeking saints, confused Charismatics, confused fundamentalists (Pastor Steven Anderson and Kent Hovind for example), and heretics above number.

I have pretty well stayed away from Revelation 6:1-19:10 in order to keep some resemblance of peace among the brethren in this forum. If a person wants to remain some semblance of sanity in studying prophecy I would suggest not, repeat not, watch any video put out by Pastor Steven Anderson, any Charismatic, or other sensationalist prophecy video.

As you asked a reasonable question, I will answer your question about the seven years and give a broad overview of 7 Year Tribulation Period in Revelation 6:1-19:10 And, since this thread is concerning the book on Revelation by Clarence Larkin, I will try an further limit my answers by what a person may discover by reading Larkin’s commentary. I do not want to deviate too much from this thread and if any moderator decides to curtail my answer, or this discussion, for any reason, that is acceptable with me. As the books of Mark and Luke are not mentioned by Larkin, I will not reference those two books.

To make sure that the moderators want me to continue this line of discussion on this thread, or to proceed to another thread, or to discontinue this line of discussion, I will wait another day before proceeding.

Alan

This is your thread to direct, no need to wait for a Mod to tell you that. It would be helpful to get to some meat here and work our way through these important verses.

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John81,

Thank you for your desire to learn. I do hope that the following study will be a help to us all.

Invicta,

I will try and be brief and to the point. I will try and answer your first question on why most fundamentalists interpret  the Tribulation Period as seven years. I am cognizant of the recent debate on Daniel 9:24-27 and I am trying my best not to continue that debate. If we disagree, we will disagree with friendship and just continue to a broad overview of Revelation 6:1-19:10

My answer to your first question will somewhat condense the material found in Larkin's book on Revelation. In that section, pages 48-52, Larkin covers this aspect of 7 years quite well and has two charts that help his explanations.

Seven Years – Time of Jacob’s Trouble

7 Year Tribulation Period

In Daniel 9:20-27 we have the vision given by the angel Gabriel to Daniel concerning the work of the Messiah the Prince. Daniel 9:24 says, “Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most holy.”

These seventy weeks are weeks of years. The last week of years is a seven-year period to finish the work of the prophecy of Daniel 9:20-27[1] We need to take careful heed and realize that the Book of Revelation is a book of prophecy of the end times concerning the work of the Lord Jesus, the Messiah the prince of Daniel 9:25, Revelation 1:1 and 19:10 

Daniel 9:27 plainly states, “And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.”

The time of Jacob’s trouble, or the Tribulation Period, will be this seventieth week of seven years. At the middle of the week, the Antichrist will break the covenant with the Jews and he will cause the sacrifices to cease.

In 2 Thessalonians 2:1-11 the Apostle Paul is teaching the Thessalonian church some facts concerning the 7 Year Tribulation period. In direct reference to Daniel 9:27 Paul makes this statement concerning the Antichrist, or as Paul writes, “man of sin,” or, “the son of perdition,” “Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.” 2 Thessalonians 2:4

All of this is depicted in Revelation 6:1-19:10

Alan

 

[1] Larkin, Clarence. The Book of Revelation. 1919. Glenside, PA: Clarence Larkin Estate, n.d., Page 48-52

 

 

 

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Thanks Alan, I hope we can disagree without bitterness.  The preacher who we have this evening in one of his messages said we should be able to disagree without being disagreeable.  

The are three mentions of great tribulation in the scripture and I maintain that they are three different things.

Mt 24:21  For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. This is confined to the Jews
Re 2:22  Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.This is confined to a particular church,   the church in Thyatira 

Re 7:14  And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Those who have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb can only refer to Christians as they are the only ones  who have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.  I believe that refers to all Christians who have suffered tribulation through the ages.  Whether it was through the Roman Empire, the Inquisition, Communists, N Korea etc, ISIS, or Pakistan and similar countries where Christians suffer death and torture from families, friends, or religious organisations.  And those who will suffer till Christ comes.

'Most fundamentalists' in America may interpret  the Tribulation Period as seven years. but I don't know many Christians here that do. I personally know few who would believe the pre tribulation rapture theory apart from the Brethren, which I left about 39 years ago.  One is an old friend of mine, who I only see rarely now and he is a charismatic, and has been involved in a number of strange 'churches'  over the years.  He once told me that it if it had not been for meeting me he would still have been in some of them.  The other is a strange bedfellow for you. He is a member of the Worldwide Church of God, the Armstrongite church, although they have thrown off many of the teachings of Armstrong.  They do still meet on Saturdays.  They used to follow the Jewish festivals, although he says they don't now. They used to do to Devon for two weeks to celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles, but now they go to the same place but call it the harvest festival. They are celebrating it now, he was there last week and this.  He started coming to our church after we did a leaflet drop one Easter.  He moved away to Folkestone a few years ago and now rarely comes on a Sunday, because it is a journey with a bus, a train and another bus, but he does come regularly to our seniors lunch on Tuesdays.  (a long way to come for lunch).  I don't know if the PTR is a teaching of the WWCOG or if it is just him, if he comes on Tuesday I will ask him.  If it is not their teaching I will have to ask him where he got it from. 

 

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Thanks Alan, I hope we can disagree without bitterness.  The preacher who we have this evening in one of his messages said we should be able to disagree without being disagreeable.  

The are three mentions of great tribulation in the scripture and I maintain that they are three different things.

Mt 24:21  For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. This is confined to the Jews
Re 2:22  Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.This is confined to a particular church,   the church in Thyatira 

Re 7:14  And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Those who have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb can only refer to Christians as they are the only ones  who have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.  I believe that refers to all Christians who have suffered tribulation through the ages.  Whether it was through the Roman Empire, the Inquisition, Communists, N Korea etc, ISIS, or Pakistan and similar countries where Christians suffer death and torture from families, friends, or religious organisations.  And those who will suffer till Christ comes.

'Most fundamentalists' in America may interpret  the Tribulation Period as seven years. but I don't know many Christians here that do. I personally know few who would believe the pre tribulation rapture theory apart from the Brethren, which I left about 39 years ago.  

 

Invicta,

I think I can agree with your preacher friend. I would also have to agree with you that most fundamentalists in America do interpret the Tribulation period as seven years. I am one of them.

Permit me to side-track a little bit and ask a  couple of questions to you, or anyone else.

What do most of the Reformed Baptist churches in England believe about the Tribulation Period? A brief answer would probably be sufficient if possible.

Matthew 24:21 is not only referring to the Jews but it is referring to the world-wide 7 year tribulation period. God is not only dealing with the Jews, but, He is harshly dealing with the Gentiles, "the heathen," on a world-wide scale. Please reference Micah 5 and Isaiah 34

In Micah 5 we have the prophecy of the coming Messiah, Micah 5:2, starting from Micah 5:3-15 we have the Lord dealing, on a worldwide scale, the "remnant of Jacob," being delivered out of the hand of the Gentiles, Micah 5:8, and  in Micah 5:15 we read, "And I will execute vengeance in anger and fury upon the heathen, such as they have not heard." This "vengeance upon the heathen," is the Tribulation Period.

Please note Micah's prophecy, "such as they have not heard." So, it was a prophecy that has not been fulfilled up to our day. It is a direct reference to the words of the Lord Jesus in Matthew 24:21, "For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be." This prophecy of Micah, and the Lord Jesus, has never been fulfilled. Nor was it fulfilled in 70 A.D., nor in any war after that time. It will be fulfilled during the days of Revelation 6:1-19:10

In Isaiah 34:1-10 we read of the seven year Tribulation Period is concerned with the inhabitants of the whole earth; and the conclusion. Isaiah 34:1 and 2 state, "Come near, ye nations, to hear; and hearken, ye people: let the earth, and all things that come forth of it. For the indignation of the LORD is upon all nations, and his fury upon their armies: he hath utterly destroyed them, he hath delivered them to the slaughter." The destruction of the armies of the nations, the whole earth, is accomplished in Revelation 19:11-21 at the coming of the Lord Jesus as, "KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS." Isaiah rightly describes this battle as a, "slaughter."

Here is my link to that particular lesson dealing with Revelation 19:11-21: http://www.onlinebaptist.com/home/topic/23115-revelation-chapter-19-22-study/?page=2

Revelation 2:22 This is a prophecy concerning one local church, going through one local period of tribulation. As you mentioned, it was confined to this one church and not on a world-wide scale. All through the history of the church age there has been persecution, or local tribulation, for churches. Not only did the Thyatira church go through local persecution but also so did the Smyrna church, Revelation 2:9. In both of these instances it was local persecution against the saints. It was not worldwide tribulation. 

Throughout the ages individual churches, and individual saints, have suffered tribulation, or persecution, for their faith. So, this applies to all of us throughout the ages. "Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution." 2 Timothy 3:12

Permit me to interject a wonderful promise given to the  church at Philadelphia that shows this distinction between local tribulation and the world-wide tribulation. "Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell on the earth." The, "hour of temptation that shall come upon the world, to try them on the earth," is the seven year Tribulation Period. This wonderful promise was not only given to the church at Philadelphia, but, "He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches." Revelation 3:13 The "churches," plural, includes us. The "churches" will not go through the seven year Tribulation Period. 

Revelation 7:14 In Revelation 7:1-8 we have the sealing of the 144,000  virgin Jews who perform evangelistic efforts throughout the world during the seven year Tribulation period. In verse 9 we read of the results of this worldwide evangelistic effort; "After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, an palms in their hands." The saints in verse 14 are in direct reference to these people who were saved due to the evangelistic efforts of the 144,000 sealed virgin Jews are Tribulation saints, not church age saints. To limit only the church age saints as being washed in the blood of the Lamb is an error. All of the saints, in all of the ages, will have blood washed robes.

The scriptures are very clear that these saints are, "...These are they which came out of great tribulation...." They are not church age saints.

Alan

 

 

 

 

 

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Invicta,

I think I can agree with your preacher friend. I would also have to agree with you that most fundamentalists in America do interpret the Tribulation period as seven years. I am one of them.

Permit me to side-track a little bit and ask a  couple of questions to you, or anyone else.

What do most of the Reformed Baptist churches in England believe about the Tribulation Period? A brief answer would probably be sufficient if possible.

I have no Idea.  Our church is a reformed Evangelical Church which is Baptist in practice. We do not have a policy on the matter, after all it is only a interpretation not a bible doctrine..  Many forget that as they have been indoctrinated into it over many years.  Most Baptists I believe would follow the teaching of Hendriksen.  Not sure what he teaches but it seems that they believe that the book of revelation consists of seven parallel prophecies each covering the whole church history.  Ian (Covenanter) would have been the person to ask because he used to teach that before he became a preterist.  They would be Grace Baptists, Our church leaders want us to associate with the Grace Baptist Association South East, but  some members disagree. I would not agree if they insisted on any interpretation of the future, because as as said to one pastor i disagreed with "We can't all be right, but we can all be wrong," 

Matthew 24:21 is not only referring to the Jews but it is referring to the world-wide 7 year tribulation period. God is not only dealing with the Jews, but, He is harshly dealing with the Gentiles, "the heathen," on a world-wide scale. Please reference Micah 5 and Isaiah 34

Oh Dear, Oh Dear, Alan. While I was 'on vacation' recently, I studied Matt. 24, Mark 13 and Luke 21 and came to the conclusion that everyone, including me, have only read these on the surface and not looked deeply into it.  No way can the GT of that time can be worldwide. Forget what you have been indoctrinated with, as I did, and read the scriptures carefully.  It doesn't help to take OT prophecies and apply them in the wrong place.  I don't want to make a long post so will try to be brief.  In Matt. 24, the disciples admired the temple stones.  At that time they had all just left the temple and heard the Lord's pronouncement of woes on the scribes and pharisees. Including the promise that their house (the temple) would be left desolate and heard him pronounce 36  Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation. Coming out of the temple the disciples, obviously not understanding how that could be, came to Him and shewed Him the great stones. In reply, Jesus made a statement, then the disciples asked a question, Jesus then gave an answer, there were other questions and other answers but as we would say they were slightly off topic, so if we concentrate our minds on those three points.  The statement 2  And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down. Then the question, 3  And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be?  And the answer. 34  Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. All these things?  Must include the woes declared in Matt 23.

The great tribulation on Jerusalem and Judea..  15  When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) Matthew and Mark use similar veiled language tho describe this, but Luke uses clear language. The Christians at that time would have understood, either from their reading of the Scriptures or the teaching of the Lord, But Matt and Mark would not have wanted to needlessly antagonise the Jews who had recently pledged allegiance when the said "We have no king but Caesar" by saying that the Roman armies would soon surround Jerusalem and desolate it.  Luke would have been taught, that and so writing outside Judea was able to use clear language.. The disciples were told to leave Jerusalem in a hurry  when they saw the A of D, that is when they saw Jerusalem surrounded by armies.  They were told to flee to the hills. They were told not to enter the country if they were outside.  None of this would help them if the tribulation was worldwide.Luke emphasises  the local  nature of the tribulation when he said "20 ¶  And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies,(the A of D) then know that the desolation thereof is nigh."

In Micah 5 we have the prophecy of the coming Messiah, Micah 5:2, starting from Micah 5:3-15 we have the Lord dealing, on a worldwide scale, the "remnant of Jacob," being delivered out of the hand of the Gentiles, Micah 5:8, and  in Micah 5:15 we read, "And I will execute vengeance in anger and fury upon the heathen, such as they have not heard." This "vengeance upon the heathen," is the Tribulation Period.

Please note Micah's prophecy, "such as they have not heard." So, it was a prophecy that has not been fulfilled up to our day. It is a direct reference to the words of the Lord Jesus in Matthew 24:21, "For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be." This prophecy of Micah, and the Lord Jesus, has never been fulfilled. Nor was it fulfilled in 70 A.D., nor in any war after that time. It will be fulfilled during the days of Revelation 6:1-19:10

In Isaiah 34:1-10 we read of the seven year Tribulation Period is concerned with the inhabitants of the whole earth; and the conclusion. Isaiah 34:1 and 2 state, "Come near, ye nations, to hear; and hearken, ye people: let the earth, and all things that come forth of it. For the indignation of the LORD is upon all nations, and his fury upon their armies: he hath utterly destroyed them, he hath delivered them to the slaughter." The destruction of the armies of the nations, the whole earth, is accomplished in Revelation 19:11-21 at the coming of the Lord Jesus as, "KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS." Isaiah rightly describes this battle as a, "slaughter."

Here is my link to that particular lesson dealing with Revelation 19:11-21: http://www.onlinebaptist.com/home/topic/23115-revelation-chapter-19-22-study/?page=2

Revelation 2:22 This is a prophecy concerning one local church, going through one local period of tribulation. As you mentioned, it was confined to this one church and not on a world-wide scale. All through the history of the church age there has been persecution, or local tribulation, for churches. Not only did the Thyatira church go through local persecution but also so did the Smyrna church, Revelation 2:9. In both of these instances it was local persecution against the saints. It was not worldwide tribulation. 

Throughout the ages individual churches, and individual saints, have suffered tribulation, or persecution, for their faith. So, this applies to all of us throughout the ages. "Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution." 2 Timothy 3:12

Permit me to interject a wonderful promise given to the  church at Philadelphia that shows this distinction between local tribulation and the world-wide tribulation. "Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell on the earth." The, "hour of temptation that shall come upon the world, to try them on the earth," is the seven year Tribulation Period. This wonderful promise was not only given to the church at Philadelphia, but, "He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches." Revelation 3:13 The "churches," plural, includes us. The "churches" will not go through the seven year Tribulation Period. 

That is a strange association of verses, and as I said nowhere does it sayh the tribulation is seven years.

Revelation 7:14 In Revelation 7:1-8 we have the sealing of the 144,000  virgin Jews who perform evangelistic efforts throughout the world during the seven year Tribulation period. In verse 9 we read of the results of this worldwide evangelistic effort; "After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, an palms in their hands." The saints in verse 14 are in direct reference to these people who were saved due to the evangelistic efforts of the 144,000 sealed virgin Jews are Tribulation saints, not church age saints. To limit only the church age saints as being washed in the blood of the Lamb is an error. All of the saints, in all of the ages, will have blood washed robes.

The scriptures are very clear that these saints are, "...These are they which came out of great tribulation...." They are not church age saints.

If they are not church age saints, how can they be saints?

Alan

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks Alan, I hope we can disagree without bitterness.  The preacher who we have this evening in one of his messages said we should be able to disagree without being disagreeable.  

The are three mentions of great tribulation in the scripture and I maintain that they are three different things.

Mt 24:21  For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

This is
Re 2:22  Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.
Re 7:14  And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

 

 

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Invicta,

Thank you for your information concerning the type of church you attend, Reformed Evangelical Church (Baptist), and the information concerning Hendriksen. Here is my previous post concerning Hendriksen: http://www.onlinebaptist.com/home/topic/23715-it-is-time/?page=3#comment-411001 If you read the post it is obvious to me that Hendriksen was in error concerning prophetic events, was not a Baptist, nor fundamental, nor independent, nor did he use the King James Version of the Bible. In my opinion, one of the reasons why a lot of the churches in England are in error concerning prophetic events is that they learned their beliefs from Hendriksen and not the scriptures.

The scriptures, as I plainly pointed out in my previous post in Isaiah 34 and Micah 5 reveal that the  7 year, (it is seven years in length), Tribulation Period is indeed a worldwide series of judgments against the nations of the whole world.

In Matthew 24 the Lord did prophesy that the Temple then standing would be destroyed. He also answered two other questions concerning His coming again and the signs given to the Jews; not to the church. The Lord's statement, verse 36, "Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled." applies to the generation that is alive when He comes in Revelation 19:11-21 and not in 70 AD when the Temple was destroyed. All of the prophecies in Matthew 24, and the Old Testament prophecies, were not fulfilled in that generation.

Concerning the saints in Revelation 7. Two things: 1. Revelation 7 does not mention the word "saints." It lists the many people that were saved due to the ministry of the 144,000 Jews. I used the word saints as anybody, in any age, is a saint. I cannot understand why you said. "If they are not church age saints, how can they be saints."

I will continue on in the lesson on a very broad overview of Revelation 6:1-19:22 in the next post.

Alan

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