Guest Andrew Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 is Acts 13:48 a proof text for predestination? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Popular Post Ukulelemike Posted September 24, 2015 Moderators Popular Post Share Posted September 24, 2015 is Acts 13:48 a proof text for predestination?Not at all. Elect, like ordain, here, is a word that indicates that someone with authority has placed someone into a certain position they could not obtain on their own. However, neither word indicates it being outside of the will of the person being ordained, or elected.I am ordained to be preacher, but I would not be a preacher, had I not chosen to follow what I believe to be my calling. That the Lord calls me to something doesn't imply that I have no choice but to do it-not a preacher by force. I sought to be ordained, and I was eventually ordained. So, a person who is ordained to eternal life, has, indeed, been ordained of God unto eternal life, (because we cannot obtain it ourselves-One with authority to ordain must ordain), but not because he had no say in it-the Lord calls ALL people to repentance, but not all answer. Those who DO answer, who DO respond positively, are then ordained unto eternal life. ..., Jim_Alaska, trapperhoney and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members wretched Posted September 24, 2015 Members Share Posted September 24, 2015 is Acts 13:48 a proof text for predestination?ABSO-TOOTLY young man But it has zero bearing on us once saved down here on earth: Let's get out there and preach the Gospel to all we know and meet and then the Lord Himself shall sort them out. He only uses you and me to preach them the Gospel. There is no magical salvation fairy that waves a wand over His elect. Lets get busy...time is short mkrishna 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Alimantado Posted September 24, 2015 Members Share Posted September 24, 2015 Well the definition of a "proof text" is a verse that is often used in isolation and/or out of context to support a particular position. So that might be a yes. Invicta, trapperhoney and Ukulelemike 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Critical Mass Posted October 23, 2015 Members Share Posted October 23, 2015 (edited) The verse doesn't say when the ordaining was carried out but it's probably similar to John 3:20,21; Romans 2:7-10; and in the case of Cornelius in Acts 10 not as Calvin taught it since there was freewill involved.The ordaining to believe unto eternal life took place sometime when they were carrying out good works. I dare to say you had some pre-gospel Gentiles (all Jewish proselytes-vs 43) who were followers of the law so God sealed their salvation by making sure they heard the gospel. So their good works is what got them ordained but it was the gospel that sealed the deal. They still had to come to the light of their own freewill, though. Edited October 23, 2015 by Critical Mass John Young 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Christ Follower Posted February 9, 2016 Members Share Posted February 9, 2016 On October 23, 2015 at 11:48 AM, Critical Mass said: The verse doesn't say when the ordaining was carried out but it's probably similar to John 3:20,21; Romans 2:7-10; and in the case of Cornelius in Acts 10 not as Calvin taught it since there was freewill involved. Can you show, according the the passage cited where "free-will" is talked about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members heartstrings Posted December 8, 2016 Members Share Posted December 8, 2016 (edited) A few things I have discovered about this subject: #1 Neither Acts 13:48, nor any of the associated verses, says who ordained these Gentiles. #2 According to another use of the word "ordained", I have found in early English Literature, a person can become "ordained" to something of their own accord. See "The Parson's Tale" which is a section of "The Canterbury Tales" by Geoffrey Chaucer. #3. The Greek word tasso, translated as "ordained" in Acts 13:48, is the same word translated as "addicted" in 1 Corinthians 16:15. So, what I think it means is that those Gentiles, though lost at the time, who already passionately desired eternal life(of their own freewill), readily believed on the Lord when they heard the Gospel.. There are also Gentiles today who, though they are lost, greatly desire and expect eternal life: Muslims, particularly "shaheeds"; suicide bombers. Edited December 8, 2016 by heartstrings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Genevanpreacher Posted December 24, 2016 Members Share Posted December 24, 2016 (edited) Not the way some think the word ordain means. Here in Acts 13 the people heard the word and believed. They were 'trained' in the FACTS. That is the 'ordain' referred to here. "They were fully taught the facts" equals "ordained". Even during the ordination process for a minister they are examined to make sure of what they believe. Hope that helps. Edited December 24, 2016 by Genevanpreacher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Genevanpreacher Posted December 24, 2016 Members Share Posted December 24, 2016 On 12/8/2016 at 11:00 AM, heartstrings said: #2 According to another use of the word "ordained", I have found in early English Literature, a person can become "ordained" to something of their own accord. See "The Parson's Tale" which is a section of "The Canterbury Tales" by Geoffrey Chaucer. Any clarity on what section of verse you refer here? I have an Oxford edition written letter by letter the same as original copies that I love to peruse. Please let me know here or p.m. me. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Genevanpreacher Posted December 24, 2016 Members Share Posted December 24, 2016 (edited) On 12/8/2016 at 11:00 AM, heartstrings said: #2 According to another use of the word "ordained", I have found in early English Literature, a person can become "ordained" to something of their own accord. See "The Parson's Tale" which is a section of "The Canterbury Tales" by Geoffrey Chaucer. Never mind. X771 is the verse. And it doesn't say what you think Heartstrings. Sorry. (Edited) Edited December 24, 2016 by Genevanpreacher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members No Nicolaitans Posted December 24, 2016 Members Share Posted December 24, 2016 38 minutes ago, Genevanpreacher said: X771 is the verse. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Genevanpreacher Posted December 24, 2016 Members Share Posted December 24, 2016 (edited) 3 hours ago, No Nicolaitans said: ? (Sorry N.N. Edited above) Section reference in "The Riverside Chaucer" by Anthony Burgess - Oxford University Press. Edited December 24, 2016 by Genevanpreacher No Nicolaitans 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members heartstrings Posted December 26, 2016 Members Share Posted December 26, 2016 (edited) On 12/24/2016 at 9:43 AM, Genevanpreacher said: Never mind. X771 is the verse. And it doesn't say what you think Heartstrings. Sorry. (Edited) I'm afraid it does, bro. Surely you must realize that nobody "ordains" "concupiscence" in a man, but himself? In view of this meaning of the word "ordained", the Gentiles in Acts 34 had arranged, ordered, established, their lives to "eternal life" of their own choice as well. So, basically the ones who did want to go to Heaven believed and any atheists present obviously would not. Likewise, today, people all over the world are counting on some type of afterlife however false or misdirected their concept may be. I have found definitions like "fixed", "appointed", "established", "arranged" "ordered" and "disposed". but I have not run across any definition of "ordained" as being "taught the facts". ." From Adam we took original sin; "from him fleshly descended be we all, and engendered of vile and corrupt matter;" and the penalty of Adam's transgression dwelleth with us as to temptation, which penalty is called concupiscence. "This concupiscence, when it is wrongfully disposed or ordained in a man, it maketh him covet, by covetise of flesh, fleshly sin by sight of his eyes, as to But earthly things, and also covetise of highness by pride of heart."---Chaucer Edited December 26, 2016 by heartstrings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Invicta Posted December 26, 2016 Members Share Posted December 26, 2016 Where do you find Chaucer in the scriptures? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members heartstrings Posted December 26, 2016 Members Share Posted December 26, 2016 10 hours ago, Invicta said: Where do you find Chaucer in the scriptures? Do you ever look up definitions of Bible words in a dictionary? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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