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Brethren,

I will be adding the following quotation to my study on, "Chapter 1 The Ordinances of Heaven."

Any  questions? Comments?

God bless all of you!

Alan

Concerning the ordinances of heaven and the dominion of the earth, God asks Job this question, “Knowest thou the ordinances of heaven? canst thou set the dominion thereof in the earth?” Job 38:33.

The American Heritage Dictionary’s primary and secondary definition of the word ‘set’ is: “1. To put in a specified position or arrangement. 2. To put in a specified state.” 1

Obviously, Job did not either know the ‘ordinances,’ or, ‘laws,’ governing the heavens nor set these laws. Job did not, ‘put in a specified position or arrangement’ nor ‘put in a specified state’ the ordinances of heaven nor ‘set’ the ordinances concerning the arrangement of the earth, the scientific laws concerning the earth nor the scientific laws governing the earth. The ‘dominion,’ of these ordinances in the earth and all of the ordinances of the heavens, and the earth, and the dominion, the ownership thereof, of the heavens and the earth, are ‘set,’ or, ‘put in a specified position or arrangement’ and ‘put in a specified state’ by God Himself.

The greatest scientist that has every lived, Isaac Newton, wrote, “And from his true dominion it follows that the true God is a living, intelligent, and powerful Being; and, from his other perfections, that he is supreme, or most perfect. He is eternal and infinite, omnipotent and omniscient; that is, his duration reaches from eternity to eternity; his presence from infinity to infinity; he governs all things, and knows all things, that are or can be done.”2 The Psalmist stated, “Bless the LORD, all his works in all places of his dominion: bless the LORD, O my soul.” Psalm 103:22

1 The American Heritage Language Dictionary, 5th ed., s. v. Set, (New York, NY: Houghton Mifflin Harcourt). 2012.

2Newton, Isaac, Newton’s Principia. The Mathematical Principles of Natural Philosophy, trans. Andrew Motte (New York: Daniel Adee, 1846), 505.

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Brethren,

I will be adding the following quote by Charles Darwin, 'The Origin of Species," in the lesson on, "The Desolation of Life on Other Planets."

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The Odd Theological (Incorrect) Belief of Darwin

In Genesis 1:20-22 and 24-25 it is very obvious that the species of plants, trees, aquatic animals, the fowls of the air, and the insects and animal species were spoken by God (audibly), into existence. God did not use any form of matter, including the dust of the ground, to create the aquatic, animal, insect, fowl, and animal species. The only species of life on the face of the earth made by the dust of the ground was man: Adam. “And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.” Genesis 2:7

Besides his biological scientific errors concerning the cell division of plants, insects, animals and humans, in his book, “The Origin of Species,” Charles Darwin makes an odd theological error in the Genesis account of the creation of the species of the world. In his rambling discourse railing against those who believe in the biblical account of a separate creation of the species of the world, Darwin states, “Under a scientific point of view, and as leading to further investigation, but little advantage is gained by believing that new forms are suddenly developed in an inexplicable manner from old and widely different forms, over the old belief in the creation of species from the dust of the earth.”1 God clearly spoke the plant, aquatic creatures, fowl, and animal, species by audible voice, into existence and man, Adam by the dust of the earth.

 

1 Darwin, Charles, The Origin of Species, (New York, NY: Penguin Group, 2003), p. 454.

 

 

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Natural Selection & Cell Division

The Theory of Evolution depends on the theory of ‘Natural Selection,’ or, ‘The Survival of the Fittest,’ as theorized by Charles Darwin in his book, ‘The Origin of Species.’ ‘Natural Selection,’ or, ‘The Survival of the Fittest,’ is where all species (whether man or animal), adapt to its surroundings, to evolve to a higher form of life and the weakest is destroyed.

We need to explain Darwin's word of ‘segments’ in his theory. ‘Segments’ to Darwin are the segment so a plant, and the internal and external organs, the eyes, the ears, the jaws, the arms and feet, of insects and animals. Thus, in the process of ‘Natural Selection,’ or the evolutionary process: the development of the internal and external organs, arms, legs, of an animal to a person.

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Radiometric dating methods

 

 

The official “science” calls the age of the Earth 4,600,000,000 years. It is determined by radiometric dating. Indeed, the age of any item can be determined if it contains radioactive decay products. To do this, conduct a study on the content of a particular isotope with a known half-life. The method is based on comparing two values. It is relatively accurate and reliable for radiocarbon dating, provided:

First, we know what the initial amount of the isotope was in the subject. Its initial amount is determined by indirect methods.

Secondly, the system must always be closed.

Thirdly, the age of the item should not exceed the number of years that have passed since the Flood, because we do not know the decay rate of this isotope before the flood, and the number of isotopes in the environment at that time is unknown. In other words, during the Flood, the “clock” was replaced and a different time was set on it.

Common radiometry methods are:

·         potassium argon (K, Ar)

·         thorium-lead-uranium (U, Th, Pb)

·         carbon-14 (C-14)

For the first time, a carbon isotope was used as a “clock”; it is carbon-14. Any living organism always contains a certain amount of radioactive carbon-14, and it ceases to accumulate with the death of the organism. Thus, radiocarbon dating determines the time of death of the body. The half-life of carbon-14 is 5700 years; and after another 5700 years, half of the remaining atoms of the isotope will decay.

Carbon 14 is formed high in the atmosphere when cosmic rays collide with nitrogen nuclei. But before the flood, the “water” shell protected the Earth from this collision. But when this protection did become unavailable, the amount of carbon isotopes 14 in the environment increased sharply. And this global change in the amount of carbon 14 is not taken into account when dating age. So there is a huge mistake in dating the age. For example, if an object does not contain carbon 14, then it will be determined the age of about a million years, since there is always background radiation; it will be measured. By the way, coal and oil have a very low carbon content of 14.

Can you imagine what fantastic results can be obtained if an isotope with a very long half-life is used in radiometric dating? Potassium 40 has a half-life of 1 billion 238 million years! And it is used in potassium-argon dating. Given that this method is used to date the age of rocks, and is able to give out a fantastic age, it is a convenient tool that helps evolutionists to tailor their data to the desired result. But scientific evidence of evolutionary theory, of course, is not.

The uranium thorium-lead method is based on the conversion of isotopes of uranium 235, uranium 238 and thorium 232 into lead isotopes.

The half-life of uranium-235 is 704 million years.

The half-life of uranium-238 is 4 billion 468 million years.

The half-life of thorium-232 is 14 billion 10 million years.

As you can see, isotopes with unacceptable half-lives are used, which also puts an end to this method, as well as to the previous one. No wonder this method is considered “the gold standard” of geochronology. The half-lives of isotopes in this method fully meet all the requirements of evolutionists. By the way, using this method, a geologist from the University of Chicago, Claire Cameron Patterson, for the first time “accurately determined” the age of the Earth in 1953.

Evolutionists believe that lead is solely a product of the decay of uranium. While, this element received an independent existence simultaneously with uranium. The whole amount of lead in nature is not a decay product at all, as they think. Therefore, they measure the time that was set on the “clock” initially. And in order to see the movement of the hands on such a “clock”, a couple of hundreds of millions of years must pass.

 

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Life in in the Blood

 

In order for the cells of mankind to live, to reproduce, to have energy, to carry away waste cells, they must have blood. As the blood circulates throughout the body it provides the cells of the body food, oxygen, and carries away waste. The World Book Encyclopedia states, “BLOOD is the life stream of the human body. This red fluid performs many tasks, and no part of the body can live without it. Blood supplies the cells of the body with the food and oxygen they need for work and growth. It carries waste products to special organs that remove them from the body or break them down into harmless substances. Blood also fights disease germs that enter the body.”[1]  

 

Thus, the statement made in Leviticus 17:11, “For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.” is a scientifically accurate statement that is repeatable, and observable through modern scientific instruments. From when the statement was first made in 1492 B. C. to 1953 A. D. is 3,445 years. When Moses made the statement that life was in the blood he obtained that information by revelation from God Himself and recorded exactly what God told him. 

 

Therefore, Moses’ statement concerning that was life was in the blood was scientifically accurate, verifiable, and, through modern scientific interments, observable. And, that Charles Darwin and his theory of,  “Natural Selection,’ and the theory of , ‘adaptation, and cell division, is not scientific and in serious error.

 

 

[1] World Book Encyclopedia, 1977 ed. s. v., “Blood.”

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Brethren,

On my lesson, "The Earth is Round," based on Isaiah 40:22, posted on October 30, 2015, found on page 1 of this thread, I neglected to mention the first person, Ferdinand Magellan,  whose voyage around the world, proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that the world is round and thus confirmed the words of the prophet Isaiah. Here is the information on Magellan I will be adding.

Alan

Ferdinand Magellan

 

Ferdinand Magellan, 1480?-1521), was a Portuguese navigator who commanded of the first expedition that sailed around the world. Due to the deterioation of his relationship with the King of Portugal, King Manual 1, Magellan offered his services to the King of Spain, King Charles 1, and thus the expedition was Spanish in nature and not Portuguese. The Magellan expedition of five ships and 240 men set sail from Spain on September 20, 1519. During the round the world expedition Magellan was killed on April 27, 1521 in the island of Mactan, in the Southern Philippines. After his death, the expedition lost four of the five ships for various reason and the fifth ship, the Victoria,  returned to Spain after the around the world expedition on September 6, 1522, commanded by Juan Sebastian del Cano, with only 17 men.

 

As Magellan was the chief architect of the expedition, and through his skills as a navigator and leader of men, the World Book encyclopedia states, “He was considered by many to be the greatest navigator who ever lived. His voyage provided the first positive proof that the earth was round.”[1] 

 

True, Observable & Repeatable Science, Proves the Bible

 

The two-year expedition of Ferdinand Magellan conclusively proved by an observable and repeatable fact, and not by mathematics or theory, that the Earth was round and not flat. Therefore, by scientific observation, and repeatability, science proves the validity of the scriptures as recorded by the prophet Isaiah. The prophet Isaiah could not have stated, “It is he [God] that sitteth upon the circle of the earth ...” unless he had a revelation from God Himself and afterwards that the scriptures were preserved by God as penned by the prophet Isaiah.

 

[1]World Book Encyclopedia, 1977 ed., s. v. “Ferdinand Magellan.”

  

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“the same day, were al the fountaines of the great deepe broken vp”

 

 

The beginning of the Flood of the waters, like the tip of the iceberg, was only the visible part of the global destruction. The invisible part was: destruction of the bowels of the Earth (Earth density change and its volume expansion), weakening of the Earth’s magnetic field, increase in the Earth’s atmosphere and, as a result, pressure reduction, destruction of the Earth’s crust, destruction of the Earth’s outer “water” shell, slowing down of the Earth’s rotation around its axis and its displacement, change of the periods of revolution of the moon around the earth and the Earth around the Sun. But this is far from all; changes have occurred at the atomic level on the scale of the entire Universe.

Water Flood is a prototype of those changes in man that occurred during his fall in the Garden of Eden. Scripture prophetically says: “the same day, were al the fountaines of the great deepe broken vp” (Gen. 7:11). Lucifer and his angels were like a sea that went beyond its borders this day. But the Lord affirmed his determination to him, “set barres and doores, And said, Hitherto shalt thou come, but no further: and heere shall thy proud waues be stayed.” (Job 38: 10,11).

Through this type, Scripture enables us to experience and understand the full extent of this fall. Since then, everything living and nonliving in this world has lost its perfection and degrades, collapses and dies, because death and hell began to reign on Earth. Since then, every person in his life makes a choice: to be saved in the ark in order to have eternal life or perish in the waters of the Flood.

Noah’s ark is a prototype of a heavenly tabernacle that has not yet been built, and also a prototype of God’s protection for every person who loves the truth and understands the fear of the LORD, because “he that doth these things, shall neuer be moued.” (Ps. 14:5).

The waters of the Flood are also a prototype of several events. It shows us the scale of the disaster and the degree of destruction at the time of the fall of man. And also, it is a prototype of the “tempest” during the harvest period, lasting 49 years. Thirdly, it shows us the last day of the Millennium.

Volumetric Expansion of the Earth began with a break in the earth's crust. Its fault occurred due to the onset of physicochemical processes in the bowels of the Earth, which were accompanied by the release of a huge amount of water.

“Scientists have modeled the conditions that are characteristic of the bowels of the Earth, in particular, a temperature of about 1.4 thousand degrees Celsius and a pressure 20 thousand times greater than at the surface of the planet. With these parameters, silicon dioxide contained in the mantle undergoes a chemical reaction with hydrogen, which leads to the formation of water and silicon hydride.” [14]

“ the heauens were of olde, and the earth standing out of the water, and in the water,

Whereby the world that then was, being ouerflowed with water, perished” (2Pet.3:5-6)

The pressure of the water inside broke the crust, its parts are the current continents, islands and continental shelves. Since that time they have been in constant motion, this phenomenon has received the name: continental drift. [15]

Fracture sites of the earth’s crust are preserved as scars on the body. They are clearly visible on the relief map of the bottom of the oceans.

 

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Fountains of red-hot lava interspersed with superheated water vapor were erupting from the cracks of the earth’s crust. Transverse lines of discontinuities indicate that the middle and final stages of the active phase of the Earth’s volume expansion were already finishing under water. Fountains of red-hot lava interspersed with superheated water vapor - these are “the fountaines of the great deepe” (Gen.7:11).

 

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The radius of the Earth before the flood was 3700 km, the radius of the Earth is currently 6371 km. [16]

The processes associated with the expansion of the Earth, decrease slowly, they cannot be completed. We can only talk about the speed of these processes. After the flood, the active phase continued for another three hundred years, and ended only in the days of Peleg’s life (Gen. 10:25). And this means that all this time the water continued to arrive, but already weaker, the mountains continued to grow, but already weaker, and all these processes inside the earth's crust were accompanied by natural disasters - earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, tornadoes, hail, drought, floods. All these processes, as residual phenomena, continue in our time, but already weakly. They fade for a while, then renew with renewed vigor. The Earth continues to expand. From the faults of the earth's crust, water still continues to flow. But not this factor is the root cause of natural disasters. The root cause is the wickedness of man on Earth. Soon, during the harvest period, these phenomena will resume with renewed vigor. It is noted that, compared with the past, the gap between the tectonic plates of America and Europe is increasing rapidly. [17]

All these processes will be completely stopped only in the future Millennium. And they will resume again, when “Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdome against kingdome” again; Then “great earthquakes shall be in diuers places, and famines, and pestilences: and fearefull sights and great signes shall there be from heauen” (Luke.21:10,11).

The atmosphere of the Earth before the Flood consisted of two shells: the air one and the outer “water” one, because heavens were, like “the earth standing out of the water, and in the water” (2Pet.3:5). The “waters, which were aboue the firmament”, like the glass dome of a greenhouse, created a greenhouse effect, ensuring uniform heating of the Earth. It is only unknown in what physico-chemical state the water was, and by what force this dome was held above the Earth. The “water” shell that collapsed during the Flood was pouring rain “vpon the earth, fortie dayes, and forty nights” (Gen.7:4). By analogy with “the waters, which were vnder the firmament” (Gen. 1:7), one could occur a chemical reaction with the formation of water.

Currently, glass domes are a popular element of modern architecture. To save heat, energy and create a space with a special microclimate, greenhouses, conservatories, gyms and even residential buildings are built under glass domes.

The entire planet had the same subtropical climate, so in all the architectural structures built at that time and preserved to this day, there is no hint of any elements of the heating system. No furnaces were originally planned; all of them were made later by the first settlers after the Flood.

Living conditions before the Flood contributed to human longevity. Judging by the biblical chronology, after the Flood, the life expectancy of people slowly decreased, as can be seen from the years lived. Peleg lived 239 years. The headlight is 205 years old. Abraham is 175 years old. Jacob is 147 years old. What is the reason for a smooth decrease in human life expectancy? After all, the living conditions on earth after the Flood have changed dramatically. The fact is that we estimate the life expectancy of people in the years lived, but we must also take into account the length of the day. So, before the Flood the day was much shorter. And therefore, the main reason for the decrease in years lived was a gradual increase in the length of the day. Substance density reduction of the Earth and its volume expansion during the first centuries after the Flood, was the reason for the slowdown of its rotation around its axis.

So, after the Flood, the living conditions on Earth really worsened, but all these factors had a lesser effect on the human lifespan, expressed in years, than a smooth increase in the length of the day.

The residual effects of this process are still being observed. Earth's rotation speed is still decreasing. Since 1972, 24 seconds have been added.

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On 9/21/2015 at 6:40 AM, Alan said:

Brethren,

The other reason for this thread is to edify and strengthen the brethren in the belief of the written word of God. Also, in our age, through the errors of the teachings of Darwinism, skepticism, scoffers, and worldly philosophy, this thread is written to help restore the Christians belief in the reliability, accuracy, and the infallibility of the scriptures in all disciplines.

As God created this world in His wisdom and understanding, all things that He did are according to scientific, biological, mathematical, and historical order. As we develop this thread if any of the brethren want to discuss either what has already been brought out, or, a scripture verse dealing with the natural world that would help our understanding in the scientific accuracy of the Bible please bring it to our attention.

Alan

Konstantin,

I do appreciate your postings. I thought that the Radiometric Dating Method had a bearing on the topic of this thread and I appreciated it.

Due to the length of this thread, and how you were not with us at the beginning, you may have missed the original intent and scope of this subject. I have marked out the intent , scope, and the object of this thread in red in my above original quote on the start of this thread. As an example, the last subject on "...the fountaines of the deep ..." is an interesting subject; but, it mainly is dealing with prophetic material, the falling of Satan, talking about two "shells," "types " of the scripture, analogies, and other non-related (and debatable) material. It is somewhat missing the object of the thread in that it does not contain a scientific discovery where we prove the accuracy of the scripture through an observable and repeatable method that has been discovered by an individual, NASA, or a scientific instrument.

I do want to add that the section on the "cracks" of the earth, detailed with maps, and how that science has proven their assistance of the cracks and how molten lava has flowed through the cracks is noteworthy, and how they may be the 'fountaines of the deep' are interesting. But, it is still debatable among the saints if these cracks were indeed the 'fountaines of the deep' as spoken of in Genesis 7:11 and that science has not yet verified, nor is there scripture, that before the flood the radius of the earth was 3700 km and currently the radius of the earth is 6371 km. We need to adhere strictly verifiable scientific, and accurate, facts that are supported by scripture. 

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9 hours ago, Alan said:

Konstantin,

I do appreciate your postings. I thought that the Radiometric Dating Method had a bearing on the topic of this thread and I appreciated it.

Due to the length of this thread, and how you were not with us at the beginning, you may have missed the original intent and scope of this subject. I have marked out the intent , scope, and the object of this thread in red in my above original quote on the start of this thread. As an example, the last subject on "...the fountaines of the deep ..." is an interesting subject; but, it mainly is dealing with prophetic material, the falling of Satan, talking about two "shells," "types " of the scripture, analogies, and other non-related (and debatable) material. It is somewhat missing the object of the thread in that it does not contain a scientific discovery where we prove the accuracy of the scripture through an observable and repeatable method that has been discovered by an individual, NASA, or a scientific instrument.

I do want to add that the section on the "cracks" of the earth, detailed with maps, and how that science has proven their assistance of the cracks and how molten lava has flowed through the cracks is noteworthy, and how they may be the 'fountaines of the deep' are interesting. But, it is still debatable among the saints if these cracks were indeed the 'fountaines of the deep' as spoken of in Genesis 7:11 and that science has not yet verified, nor is there scripture, that before the flood the radius of the earth was 3700 km and currently the radius of the earth is 6371 km. We need to adhere strictly verifiable scientific, and accurate, facts that are supported by scripture. 

Alan

NASA will NEVER be able to confirm the fact that our Universe is surrounded by a shell of water that is strong "as a molten looking glasse" (Job 37:18). Scripture says: "the face of the deepe is frozen" (Job 38:30). They do not believe the Bible.

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59 minutes ago, Konstantin said:

NASA will NEVER be able to confirm the fact that our Universe is surrounded by a shell of water that is strong "as a molten looking glasse" (Job 37:18). Scripture says: "the face of the deepe is frozen" (Job 38:30). They do not believe the Bible.

Konstantin and Everyone else,

I agree with you. NASA, in a public statement, will probably never confirm, or even able to deny, the our Universe has a shell of water surrounding it, 'as a molten looking glasse' even if they found out it was true and accurate.

Yes, you correct, the vast majority of NASA employees do not believe the Bible. If you study my lessons carefully, I never stated in any of my studies that a NASA spokesperson proved the accuracy of the Bible through their research or instrument analysis. I used the instrument analysis to make my decision whether or not the research proved the accuracy of a Bible statement.

If you will look at some of the lessons that I have previously posted you will find out that I studied what NASA, or another scientist, or a World Book Encyclopedia, or another source, has proved, confirmed, and applied the appropriate scripture verse to show how the Bible is scientifically correct. I did not wait for NASA, for a scientist, or the World Book Encyclopedia to say, "Well, this confirms the accuracy of the scriptures. Praise the Lord!." No, I used reliable, scientific, repeatable, and accurate information to prove the accuracy of the Bible. 

As I stated in the beginning, it is my objective and the scope of this thread, to rely on scientific, proven, repeatable results through observable by eyesight, or by a scientific instrument, that when the scriptures teach about something in a science discipline that true science proves the accuracy of the Bible.

That is why this thread is not a thread on prophecy nor an interpretation of a passage of scripture.

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2 hours ago, SureWord said:

I'll probably get blasted for this but more and more I'm beginning to believe in the "flat earth theory" or at least geocentric theory. It just jives better with the scriptures and also the older I get the more I think I've been sold a pack of lies in many many things.

SureWord,

The studies that I have conducted here concerning the "circle of the earth," and the scriptural, observable, and repeatable truth of the earth being a circle, is not, as you refer it to, "a pack of lies."

I have read quite a bit on the The "Flat Earth Theory." From what I have learned from the scripture that the flat earth proponents use to try and prove their theory I have come to the conclusion that the proponents of the flat earth theory are not interpreting the scriptures correctly. The flat earth theory proponents are the ones teaching the "pack of lies." the proponents of the "flat earth theory are not only deceiving themselves, but other folks also.

Also, the flat earth theory, from my personal experience, if it counts for anything in your eyes, in the United States Air Force, and my personal travels around the world, is not correct.

Lastly, there are so many errors, both scriptural and scientific, in the Flat Earth Theory, that I have not even discussed it in this study. If you want to have your own thoughts on the flat earth theory presented here on Online Baptist than please start your own thread.

This study is on "Scientific Facts in the Bible." The Flat Earth Theory is not, repeat, is not a "fact" in the Bible. Therefore, it is not a suitable subject in this thread as it is not scientifically a fact either.

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The earth would still be a circle just not a globe. It can be flat and be a circle.

As I see it the earth being a flat CIRCLE with a dome above it i.e. "firmament" (meaning firm, solid structure) with the stars, sun and moon within this and waters above the firmament jives better with scripture.

I am not "deceiving" myself as I don't firmly hold to this belief as it really doesn't matter much, though the anger displayed by some towards those who do is fascinating. The same furor a evolutionist holds towards a seven day creationist or a LGBTQ holds towards someone who believes there's only two sexes. 

The "pack of lies" I was primarily referring to was the teaching of evolution in schools and colleges and on every science program you can watch (this position leaks over into astronomy, archeology, etc). It seems that science has taken a completely anti-biblical position towards the bible. 

If you look at illustrations on how rabbinic scholars of the past have diagramed the "heaven and the earth" you will see have it aligns more accurately in what the bible SAYS.

 

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On 6/16/2020 at 3:22 PM, Alan said:

Brethren,

On my lesson, "The Earth is Round," based on Isaiah 40:22, posted on October 30, 2015, found on page 1 of this thread, I neglected to mention the first person, Ferdinand Magellan,  whose voyage around the world, proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that the world is round and thus confirmed the words of the prophet Isaiah. Here is the information on Magellan I will be adding.

Alan

Ferdinand Magellan

Ferdinand Magellan, 1480?-1521), was a Portuguese navigator who commanded of the first expedition that sailed around the world. Due to the deterioation of his relationship with the King of Portugal, King Manual 1, Magellan offered his services to the King of Spain, King Charles 1, and thus the expedition was Spanish in nature and not Portuguese. The Magellan expedition of five ships and 240 men set sail from Spain on September 20, 1519. During the round the world expedition Magellan was killed on April 27, 1521 in the island of Mactan, in the Southern Philippines. After his death, the expedition lost four of the five ships for various reason and the fifth ship, the Victoria,  returned to Spain after the around the world expedition on September 6, 1522, commanded by Juan Sebastian del Cano, with only 17 men.

As Magellan was the chief architect of the expedition, and through his skills as a navigator and leader of men, the World Book encyclopedia states, “He was considered by many to be the greatest navigator who ever lived. His voyage provided the first positive proof that the earth was round.”[1] 

True, Observable & Repeatable Science, Proves the Bible

The two-year expedition of Ferdinand Magellan conclusively proved by an observable and repeatable fact, and not by mathematics or theory, that the Earth was round and not flat. Therefore, by scientific observation, and repeatability, science proves the validity of the scriptures as recorded by the prophet Isaiah. The prophet Isaiah could not have stated, “It is he [God] that sitteth upon the circle of the earth ...” unless he had a revelation from God Himself and afterwards that the scriptures were preserved by God as penned by the prophet Isaiah.

[1]World Book Encyclopedia, 1977 ed., s. v. “Ferdinand Magellan.”

  

Brethren,

Here is a addendum to the lesson on Ferdinand Magellan and his circumnavigation of the Earth.

Alan

The voyage of Ferdinand Magellan, and completed by Juan Sebastian del Cano, scientifically proved that the circle of the Earth is proven to be a globe. 

Alan

 

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Brethren,

As an addendum to my study on Ferdinand Magellan and his voyage on the first water circumnavigation of the world, attached is the first circumnavigation of the Earth, by the United States Army Air Service, in the air (flying). For everybody's information,  the United States Army Air Service was changed in 1947 to the United States Air Force.

Both the circumnavigation of the world by Ferdinand Magellan on water, and by the United States Army Air Service (since 1947 the United States Air Force), in 1924, in the first circumnavigation of the earth by air, proved scientifically, that the Earth is a circular globe and not a "flat earth" circle.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_aerial_circumnavigation

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Brother, I'm not sure you understand how the flat earth model looks and works. 

That being said, I still see an earth in scripture which has a "dome" over it with stars within the dome and waters "above the heavens" (i.e. the dome) in the scripture. Apparently, the earth also has some kind of foundations plunged into the "deep"  and hell in the center. 

Now I don't say I hold this as 100% true but I will say that it has increased my faith in what the bible says about the "heavens and earth" more than that we are on a third globe going around a sun in the middle of a vast, endless universe. I just don't see that in scripture. 

Really, though, I don't think it should be a bone of contention among Christians.

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One other thing, if I walk around the outside of my house I still "circumnavigated" my house even though I did it on a flat plane. I still ended up where I started. So if I sail or fly around "the circle of the earth", in this case a flat earth, I still end up where I started.

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4 minutes ago, SureWord said:

I don't think it should be a bone of contention among Christians.

Its contentious because it is a wrong and manipulative doctrine that strips scripture out of context and makes its adherents look like scientifically ignorant fools who are detached from reality. You should be very careful getting involved with that doctrine as it does not teach a biblical contextual worldview but one in which has atheist, Jewish, and pagan fables at its core. 

Titus 1:13-14 This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith; 14 not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.

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3 minutes ago, John Young said:

Its contentious because it is a wrong and manipulative doctrine that strips scripture out of context and makes its adherents look like scientifically ignorant fools who are detached from reality. You should be very careful getting involved with that doctrine as it does not teach a biblical contextual worldview but one in which has atheist, Jewish, and pagan fables at its core. 

Titus 1:13-14 This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith; 14 not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.

How does it strip scripture out of context? It's plain to see in Genesis. 

Below is Magellan's circumnavigation of the flat earth.

 

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For the purposes of this thread, and in the context of the circumnavigation of the earth voyage of Ferdinand Magellan (completed by Juan Sebastian del Cano), and circumnavigation of the Earth by United States Army air Service, and by the context of any future addendum to this thread, the word "circumnavigate" or any of its forms of English usage, will be interpreted as to the following definition by 'The American Heritage Dictionary: "circumnavigate> v.-gated, -gating To go or proceed completely around: circumnavigating the earth. - circumnavigation." 1

Based on the definition of the American Heritage Dictionary, and in the context of this study on, "Scientific Facts in the Bible," to circumnavigate means to navigate around the earth; which has been proven to be a circular globe.

1 The American Heritage Language Dictionary, 5th ed., s. v. circumnavigate, (New York, NY: Houghton Mifflin Harcourt). 2012.

39 minutes ago, SureWord said:

How does it strip scripture out of context? It's plain to see in Genesis. 

Below is Magellan's circumnavigation of the flat earth.

 

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Brethren,

The above above "flat earth" image of Magellan's voyage is a man-made attempt to discredit the voyage of Ferdinand Magellan and is a travesty. The "flat earth' image has not been proven scientifically, and has no bearing on this study.

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On 2/11/2020 at 9:13 PM, Alan said:

On May 26, 2017 I posted:

Although a lot of time has passed, I am trying to get re-organized to finish putting the subjects discussed in, 'Scientific Facts in the Bible,' in PDF format. 

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Brethren,

A quick update.

Due to problems with creating the new website, along with the time needed for the ministry (among other things we have a church Youth Camp this week, I have not had the time to finish the PDF internet study. Once we get the new website operating properly the PDF study will be one of the first things accomplished.

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Brethren,

Among many other responsibilities that are too numerous to mention, I had to make modifications in my new website and manuscript.  In a day or two the PDF "Accurate Scientific Statements in the Bible" will be uploaded.

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Brethren,

Here is the link to the PDF "Accurate Scientific Statements in the Bible."

Note on September 8, 2020: I had to revise the PDF copy to correct some formatting, grammatical and other minor errors. Here is the link to the updated PDF copy. Sorry for any inconvenience.

Alan

https://preceptpublications.org/Accurate Statements Bible Internet 09.08.20.pdf

I am considering this thread on "Scientific Facts in the Bible" still open for discussion. Also, there is some new material in the PDF manuscript. If a question, or a comment, in some part of the PDF manuscript that you want discussed, than please feel free to do so.

It is my hope that you may benefit, and be blessed, and realize the error of the evolutionary theory (not fact), from the "Accurate Scientific Statements in the Bible" manuscript. The more that I study the issue the more I realize the wonder of the creative acts of God in the Universe. 

May God richly bless all of you.

Alan

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