Members 2ndTimothy Posted November 9, 2015 Members Share Posted November 9, 2015 There are many principles of God's word that are evidenced today and counted on by the entire globe. One of them is the properties of light. The speed of light has been determined to be 186,000 miles per second. When God said "Let there be light" it is followed by the words "and there was light" Genesis 1:3. Given all the principles that are present each day to keep this world going, it would be a real stretch to use this verse and come to the conclusion that God took thousands of years for creation. Lets take God at His word. It is His "universe" ( one word) WellWithMySoul, Ronda and Alan 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Alan Posted November 9, 2015 Author Members Share Posted November 9, 2015 2ndTimothy, Thank you very much for the short lesson on the creative act of God and the speed of light as recorded in Genesis 1:3 If you would like to expand on that subject, or another one, please do so. Alan Ronda, Thank you very much for your thoughts. We always enjoy your discussions. Alan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Popular Post Alan Posted November 9, 2015 Author Members Popular Post Share Posted November 9, 2015 (edited) “The Lack of Sustaining Human Life on other Planets” Psalm 115:16 “The heaven, even the heavens, are the LORD’S: but the earth hath he given to the children of men.” Psalm 115:16 God has given the earth for mankind to dwell in and not the heavens, or, in our modern vernacular, “Outer Space.” In Genesis 1:2 we read that the earth, as originally created, was created completely barren and unsuitable for the sustaining of human life on it.“And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. Genesis 1:2 Note The scriptures are very clear. The scriptures did not say, “...and the earth became without form, and void,” It says very clearly that the earth in Genesis 1:2 was, “...without form and void.” The belief that there was a “Gap” between Genesis 1:1 and 2 and during the, “Gap,” the earth became without form and void is without merit of any kind and a private interpretation. Jeremiah 4:23, “I behold the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, they had no light.” Jeremiah 4:23 is not a historical reference to a supposed ‘gap’ between Genesis 1:1 and 2. A close to look at the context, Jeremiah 4:19-31, reveals it is a prophecy concerning the desolation of the land of Israel and Jerusalem. “For thus hath the LORD said, the whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end ... The whole city shall flee for the noise of horsemen and bowmen they shall go into thickets, and climb up upon rocks: every city shall be forsaken, and not a man dwell therein.” Jeremiah 4:27 and 29 “Form and Void meanings Among the many definitions of the word ‘form,’ Webster’s 1828 Dictionary gives us this meaning: “FORM, n. The root of this word is not certainly known. The primary sense is probably to set, to fix, to fit.” Determinate shape. The earth was without form, and void. Gen. i. A mold; something to give shape, or on which things are fashioned. Encyc." Therefore, the earth, as depicted in Genesis 1:2, was not settled, or fixed, or fit for mankind, and, the earth was without a determinate shape. The Earth in Genesis 1:2 had the makings of a habitable planet for human life but it had to be fashioned in order for human life to live. The Earth was in the ‘mold’ stage to sustain human life. As a potter takes a lump of clay that has no human utility and molds the clay into a vessel that a man can use, so did God mold the Earth into a habitable planet for mankind. A comparison of Jeremiah 18:1-10 and Genesis 1:3-23 is recommended to the reader. Among the many definitions of the word ‘void,’ Webster’s 1828 dictionary gives us this meaning: “VOID, a 1. Empty; vacant, not occupied with any visible matter; as a void space or place. 1 Kings xxii. 2. Empty; without inhabitants or furniture. Gen i." Therefore, the word ‘void’ in Genesis 1:2 simply means there was nothing occupying the Earth and it was vacant, i.e., no inhabitants or items ‘furniture’ suitable for the sustenance of the inhabitants. In Genesis 1:3-23 we see the creative acts of God in supplying the Earth suitable for the habitation of human life. The Earth was made for Man and his descendants. “A picture is worth a thousand words.” Photos of the Meanings of the Words, “without form, and void.” ‘Buzz’ Aldrin, Apollo 11, July 1969, proves that the moon is ‘without form and void,’ and cannot support human life. NASA’s Pathfinder proves that Mars is “without form and void.” NASA’s New Horizons spacecraft verifies that Pluto is, “without form and void.” The Purpose of the Sun, Stars, and Planetary Bodies Genesis 1:14-19, “And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.” The, ‘greater light’ is the Sun and the, ‘lesser’ light is the moon. God made the Sun, the Moon, the Stars, and all of the planetary bodies for the following reasons: To divide the day from the night. Signs Seasons Days Years Lights to shine on the Earth: “to give light upon the earth.” There are no other reasons why God made the other Stars, Moons, Planets, Asteroids, and Comets of the Universe. Conclusion God did not make the planetary bodies of the universe for the habitation of mankind. All of the planetary bodies of the universe are barren and desolate of life nor can they sustain human life. The planetary bodies of the universe are in the same condition that the Earth was in Genesis 1:2 before God made the Earth suitable for the support of human life. “The heaven, even the heavens, are the LORD’S: but the earth hath he given to the children of men.” Psalm 115:16 True scientific study and analysis always verifies that the scriptures are scientifically accurate. Note The, ‘comets,’ or, ‘aliens of other races,’ or other suppositions of the science fiction crowd, did not give life upon Earth nor ‘seed,’ the earth with any form of life, water, or any type of germination. All of the life and physical characteristics upon the Earth are from the direct acts of God by verbal command or from the dirt of the Earth. Evolution, whether secular or “Theistic Evolution,” is unscientific, false, full of unproven hypothesis, blatantly unscriptural, and is to be rejected. 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Members Alan Posted November 29, 2015 Author Members Share Posted November 29, 2015 “Is not God in the height of heaven? And behold the height of the stars, how high they are!” Job 22:12. The Immense Height or Distance of the Stars The Book of Job is the oldest book of the Bible. The events of the Book of Job approximately 1520 B.C. Only God could have revealed the following information concerning the earth, our solar system and the universe as recorded in the Book of Job. Eliphaz the Temanite one of the three friends of Job, said, This statement is a scientifically accurate fact. The closest star, or actually a group of three stars, is, “Proxima Centauri.” Proxima Centauri was discovered in 1915 by Robert Innes, using a telescope. It took the scientific world from 1520 B. C. to 1915 A. D. to discover that the scientific statements concerning the immense height, or distance, of the stars from the earth, is scientifically correct. Scientists use the stellar parallax method and the measurements obtained from the Hipparcos satellite to calculate the distance from the Sun to the Stars. Due to the immense distances involved, all calculations are derived from the Sun and not the earth. “Proxima Centauri,” is approximately 4.24 light years from the Sun. There are 13 different calculations performed in order to calculate this distance. Using our fastest spacecraft it would take 78,000 years to reach Proxima Centauri. Scientists can only calculate the approximate distance of the closest stars. Even in our modern age, scientists do not know the exact distance of the distant stars. Nor do they agree how to measure the distant stars. Neither scientific instruments nor mathematical calculations can accurately measure the distance of the very distant stars. The mathematical calculations to measure the distance to the stars is very complex and not easily understood. The statement in the Book of Job, “Is not God in the height of heaven? And behold the height of the stars, how high they are!” is a scientifically accurate and verifiable statement. “The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handiwork.” Psalm 19:1 “Is not God in the height of heaven?” God dwells in heaven and heaven is separate, and above, the universe. Both the Russian consonants and the American Astronauts have verified that, “God does not dwell in outer space but, “In the height of heaven.” Russian Cosmonaut Yuri Gagarin I looked and looked but I didn't see God. As quoted in To Rise from Earth (1996) by Wayne Lee; some websites quote him as saying "I looked and looked and looked but I didn't see God." on 14 April 1961, a couple days after his historic flight, but the authenticity of such statements have been disputed; Colonel Valentin Petrov stated in 2006 that the cosmonaut never said such words, and that the quote originated from Nikita Khrushchev's speech at the plenum of the Central Committee of the CPSU about the state's anti-religion campaign, saying "Gagarin flew into space, but didn't see any god there." Gagarin himself was a member of the Russian Orthodox Church. Variant: No I didn't see God. I looked and looked but I didn't see God. Either way, Yuri Gagarin did not see God and the Russian Premier Nikita Khrushchev confirmed that God was not there. In the numerous American space flights none of the American astronauts, whether Christian or atheist has seen God in outer space. Thereby, confirming, that God is not in outer space. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Alan Posted December 8, 2015 Author Members Share Posted December 8, 2015 Brethren, May God bless you heart with the song, 'The Spacious Firmament on High, by Joseph, 1712 and F.J Haydn, 1798. Alan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Members Alan Posted February 7, 2016 Author Members Share Posted February 7, 2016 (edited) Brethren, I decided to re-open, and continue, the studies on, "Scientific Facts in the Bible." I will delay the next lesson for a day or two in order to allow any discussions or comments on previous lessons. I also want to remind all of the my statement that I made on November 4, 2015. Please see the comment below. On 2015年11月4日 at 6:21 PM, Alan said: I purposely entitled this thread, "Scientific Facts in the Bible," so that anybody who had a scientific fact, supported by a scripture reference, could put forth his own topic for discussion. And, any discussion on any of the topics already listed is still open to discussion. Looking forward to some good discussions! Alan Edited February 7, 2016 by Alan date Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Invicta Posted February 7, 2016 Members Share Posted February 7, 2016 5 hours ago, Alan said: Brethren, I decided to re-open, and continue, the studies on, "Scientific Facts in the Bible." I will delay the next lesson for a day or two in order to allow any discussions or comments on previous lessons. I also want to remind all of the my statement that I made on November 4, 2015. Please see the comment below. Looking forward to some good discussions! Alan Thanks Alan, How are you? I take it you are safe after the earthquake? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Alan Posted February 7, 2016 Author Members Share Posted February 7, 2016 We are fine. We were in our apartment at the church when the earthquake struck and were awakened, but no damage was done to our building. Our church is a three-story concrete structure (most homes, churches, and other buildings on Taiwan are concrete). Our city, Hua Lien, is app. 100 miles from Tainan where the epicenter was located and most of the damage occured. As of this morning 29 souls perished and more are expected. Thank you for your concern. Alan John81 and Invicta 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members John81 Posted February 8, 2016 Members Share Posted February 8, 2016 Very glad to hear you are safe and well Alan. Things such as this serve, or should serve, as a stark reminder just how unpredictable life is and how quickly anyone can enter eternity for better or worse. Invicta 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Popular Post Alan Posted February 10, 2016 Author Members Popular Post Share Posted February 10, 2016 (edited) “Differences in Stars” “There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.” 1 Corinthians 15:41, Only the Holy Spirit could have directed Paul the Apostle to make an accurate scientific statement as, “... for one star differeth from another star in glory.” Historical Background of 1 Corinthians 15:41 The Apostle Paul was an educated man. As one reads his accounts in the scriptures, he was acute in observation, reading, history, languages, and philosophy. He was a educated enough to be able to debate Philosophers, Jewish Rabbis, military men, and the various political entities of his day. During his age there was absolutely no scientific instruments that were available to determine that one star differed, or was different from another. Furthermore, during his age, the vast majority of Romans, Greeks, Egyptians, Philosophers, and other cultures that Paul preached at used the little knowledge that they knew about the Sun, the star of our planetary system, for astrology and worship. Religious Background of 1 Corinthians 15:41 As we continue this short study, we need to make an extremely important note on a statement made by the Paul the Apostle that was revealed to him by the Holy Spirit. Colossians 2:8 says, “Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.” The difference between the Philosophy of the pagan world and the Theories of the Evolutionary Scientist is very minute. In most instances, a person can substitute the word “Philosophy” for “Theory.” The theories of the evolutionary scientist is his own philosophy of the natural world. According to, “The American Heritage Dictionary, Fifth Edition.” Philosophy is, 1a. The study of the nature, causes, or principles of reality, knowledge, or values, based on logical reasoning. b. A system of thought based on or involving such inquiry: the philosophy of Plato. 2. The study of the theoretical underpinnings of a particular field: the philosophy of science. According to, “The American Heritage Dictionary, Fifth Edition.” Rudiment, n. often rudiments. A fundamental element, principle, or skill. Something in an incipient or undeveloped form. [Lat. rudis, rough, unformed.] During the age of Paul the Apostle, the Chinese used their rudimentary knowledge of the Sun and the Constellations, the Zodiac, for astrology and pagan worship. During the age of Paul the Apostle, the Egyptians used their rudimentary knowledge of the Sun for pagan worship. The name of their sun god was, “Ra.” During the age of Paul the Apostle, the Romans used the rudimentary knowledge of the Sun for pagan worship. The name of their sun god was, “Sol Invictus.” During the age of Paul the Apostle, the Greek Philosophers, used their rudimentary knowledge of the sun for pagan worship and astrology. The name of their sun god was, “Helios,” and later on they worshipped the god of light, “Apollo.” When Paul the Apostle preached at Athens in Acts 17 he was looking at the images of the gods of the sun and gods of other deities, as well as the philosophers of the Epicureans and Stoics, he knew the pagan background of their beliefs and religions. The Holy Spirit The Apostle Paul rejected the philosophical and rudimentary background of the beliefs of his age and preached against these beliefs. The Holy Spirit revealed unto him that, “There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.” 1 Corinthians 15:41 What Paul the Apostle stated was an accurate scientific fact that was not verifiable in his day. “... for one star differeth from another.” In 1666, Isaac Newton observed the Sun’s light through a prism and showed that the glory of the sun has many different colors. In 1800, William Herschel discovered infrared radiation beyond the red part of the solar spectrum. Since that time, many, many different types of experiments and instruments have discovered the Sun’s composition, nuclear fusion, ultraviolet emissions, corona, the solar wind, and many other data related the sun and its work in sustaining life in our solar system. The Sun is a Star: white in color. Our sun is considered a ‘Yellow Dwarf’ star. The stars of the universe are not all the same: they are different from one another as Paul the apostle wrote. “... for one star differeth from another.” The differences, or ‘glory’ include: color, nuclear fusion power, Magnetic field, Sunspots, Radiative zone, radiation, mass, Tachocline, convection zone, Photosphere, and the Atmosphere (consisting of four distinct parts: the chromosphere, the transition region, the corona, and the heliosphere). As every individual is a separate individual that has difference’s, so do the Stars of the Universe. “... for one star differeth from another.” Currently, here is a listing of the different types of stars. Please take careful note. With the advent of instruments that are more precise, more powerful telescopes, space travel, and other scientific knowledge, the classification listed is bound to change. Main Sequence Stars. Red giant. White Dwarfs. Neutron Stars. Variable Stars. Proto Stars. ‘T’ Tauri Stars. Super giant Stars. Yellow Dwarf Stars. Blue Giant Star. Pulsar. Double Star. Binary Stars. Eclipsing Binary. Cepheid Variable Stars. Mira Variable Star. Conclusion The scriptures, including the scientific statement as recorded by Paul the Apostle in 1 Corinthians 15:41, through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, is scientifically accurate. True, complete, and unbiased scientific knowledge will always support the biblical account of creation and the other scientific statements made in the scriptures. The modern evolutionist, whether he is a scientist, a deluded scholar, or compromising minister, is a philosopher and is trusting in his own reasoning. More than often, this reasoning is based on a rudimentary knowledge of facts and they have ‘erred from the faith.’ The modern evolutionist is comparable to a pagan Philosopher. Therefore, “O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called. Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen.” 1 Timothy 6:20 and 21 Edited February 10, 2016 by Alan spelling Believer (ish?), John Young, Ronda and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members John81 Posted February 10, 2016 Members Share Posted February 10, 2016 This reminds me of the first time I read scientists had learned stars "sing" and they all have a unique "song". Indeed the heavens declare the glory of God! In so many ways that only the blind or wise in themselves could miss it. Pastor Scott Markle, Alan and John Young 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Alan Posted February 10, 2016 Author Members Share Posted February 10, 2016 7 hours ago, John81 said: This reminds me of the first time I read scientists had learned stars "sing" and they all have a unique "song". Indeed the heavens declare the glory of God! In so many ways that only the blind or wise in themselves could miss it. Thank you for bringing out this unique aspect of the Sun. Here is a link to a article from Stanford Univeristy concerning the 'singing' of the Sun: http://solar-center.stanford.edu/singing/singing.html#sing John Young, John81 and Pastor Scott Markle 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Alan Posted February 11, 2016 Author Members Share Posted February 11, 2016 (edited) Brethren, Through the courtesy of the NASA, Goddard Space Flight Center, and their, "Solar Dynamic Observatory (SDO)," the following video of an eruption of a solar flare that occured on July 19, 2012, is uploaded for your enjoyment and to compliment this lesson. Please notice that from 1:06 to 1:23 into the video there is a small animated "Earth" globe on the upper right hand side to give a size comparison of the solar flare and the size of the earth. The differences in glory of all the stars, as written by the inspiration of Paul the apostle in 1 Corinthians 15:41 is wonderous to behold. Can you just imagine what an eruption on a Blue Giant Star would be like? How about an eruption on a White Dwarf star? Wow!!!! "Fiery Looping Rain on the Sun" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFT7ATLQQx8 Edited September 30, 2016 by Alan spelling get to just Pastor Scott Markle, Rebecca, John Young and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Alan Posted February 11, 2016 Author Members Share Posted February 11, 2016 Ronda, John Young, and John81, Glad to see that you all liked the study on 1 Corinthians 15:41 and the information concerning the Sun. Anything else anyone wants to bring out, or discuss, concerning this study in any aspect? Alan Ronda 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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