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The church has always been in the tribulation.

Joh 16:33  These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.

Throughout the world, Christians still have tribulation, N.Korea, Iraq, Syria, Pakistan, Rwanda, to mention but`a few.

 

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The church has always been in the tribulation.

Joh 16:33  These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.

Throughout the world, Christians still have tribulation, N.Korea, Iraq, Syria, Pakistan, Rwanda, to mention but`a few.

 

There has always been tribulation. But this is referencing The Great Tribulation spoken of in Scripture, there is a difference. The church age is not the great tribulation; that is yet to come.

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Nowhere does Scripture stipulate man has to reach a certain technological level before the end can come. While God can use the things of man for His own ends, one of the key elements of the Great Tribulation is that it's God's wrath being poured out and the people, lost people, recognize it as such.

If the end couldn't come until the technological advances of 2015, that means Christ's return couldn't have been imminent for the past 2,000 years. Is that in accord with Scripture?

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As I heard a preacher say to this effect, "God doesn't need satellites, the internet, or worldwide TV to make sure everyone sees what He wants them to see. After all, if God can't bend light and refraction or otherwise cause events to be seen by all, He's not Almighty."

Along these same lines, God didn't need nuclear missiles to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah. God wanted the destruction of those cities to be clearly His doing.

God doesn't need modern weapons in order to pour out His wrath upon man. God may choose to use man in the process, but the wording in Revelation points to God making it clear what's happening during the end is coming directly from Him.

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There has always been tribulation. But this is referencing The Great Tribulation spoken of in Scripture, there is a difference. The church age is not the great tribulation; that is yet to come.

Amen and amen. Thank you very much for bringing out the biblical interpretation between the tribulation Christians experience in this life and the world wide Great Tribulation Period in the Book of Revelaltion. Please keep up the good work.

Alan

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Amen and amen. Thank you very much for bringing out the biblical interpretation between the tribulation Christians experience in this life and the world wide Great Tribulation Period in the Book of Revelaltion. Please keep up the good work.

Alan

Thanks Alan, it seems elemental to me. Just because the word is "tribulation" does not by default make it "The Great Tribulation" that God will bring about in the last times.

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It Is Time

 

The RFID chip makes the mark of the beast and the ability to restrict buying and selling possible.

Yes satellites and TV and internet make viewing the two witnesses possible.

Technology has increased knowledge as Daniel 12:4 foretold.

Cars, airplanes, rockets, and fuels have man running to and fro as Daniel 12:4 foretold. 

Isaiah 25:4-7 tells us that the blast of the terrible ones will destroy the veil and covering over all nations. That is why the heaven rolls up as a scroll in Revelation 6:14. The destruction of the atmosphere will cause the sun to burn men as fire in Revelation 16:8-9.

 

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Eric,

 

Even if all the things you listed are a part of God's plan, The statement "it is time" doesn't apply. God's time table of events is perfect, always has been, always will be.

The events in the book of Revelation are sequential, the Rapture is first, then the Great Tribulation. So your statement of "it is time" is not correct according to Bible timelines.

As for me, my time is better spent getting the Gospel out and reaching lost souls than it is to waste time trying to guess the time of the end. If God had wanted me to know when "it is time", He would have told me.

 

His instructions to His church were to preach the Gospel to every creature and watch and wait for His coming. I hope that I will be found as one of the wise virgins, waiting and watching. I need not worry about the mark of the beast, I will not be here, I will be with the one who died for me.

 

 Rev. 22:20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus. 

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Probably where the blood moons and such mumbo jumbo are mentioned.

Eric, have you heard about the piece of Psalms that were found in Ireland or Scotland, where the book was opened to Psalm 83?

It Is Time

 

The RFID chip makes the mark of the beast and the ability to restrict buying and selling possible.

Yes satellites and TV and internet make viewing the two witnesses possible.

Technology has increased knowledge as Daniel 12:4 foretold.

Cars, airplanes, rockets, and fuels have man running to and fro as Daniel 12:4 foretold. 

Isaiah 25:4-7 tells us that the blast of the terrible ones will destroy the veil and covering over all nations. That is why the heaven rolls up as a scroll in Revelation 6:14. The destruction of the atmosphere will cause the sun to burn men as fire in Revelation 16:8-9.

 

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Eric,

 

Even if all the things you listed are a part of God's plan, The statement "it is time" doesn't apply. God's time table of events is perfect, always has been, always will be.

The events in the book of Revelation are sequential, the Rapture is first, then the Great Tribulation. So your statement of "it is time" is not correct according to Bible timelines.

As for me, my time is better spent getting the Gospel out and reaching lost souls than it is to waste time trying to guess the time of the end. If God had wanted me to know when "it is time", He would have told me.

 

His instructions to His church were to preach the Gospel to every creature and watch and wait for His coming. I hope that I will be found as one of the wise virgins, waiting and watching. I need not worry about the mark of the beast, I will not be here, I will be with the one who died for me.

 

 Rev. 22:20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus. 

 

Yes we have the work of reconciliation of the world to God, but we are also to be aware of the signs for the day of the Lord so we can comfort each other 1 Thessalonians 5:1-11.

 

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It Is Time

 

The RFID chip makes the mark of the beast and the ability to restrict buying and selling possible.

Yes satellites and TV and internet make viewing the two witnesses possible.

Technology has increased knowledge as Daniel 12:4 foretold.

Cars, airplanes, rockets, and fuels have man running to and fro as Daniel 12:4 foretold. 

Isaiah 25:4-7 tells us that the blast of the terrible ones will destroy the veil and covering over all nations. That is why the heaven rolls up as a scroll in Revelation 6:14. The destruction of the atmosphere will cause the sun to burn men as fire in Revelation 16:8-9.

 

Clearly, if we read the Scriptures through your eyes, Eric, that we CANNOT understand the Scriptures, nor prophecy, by reading God's word, & NO-ONE in the previous 2,000 years had any chance of knowing what we know now, nor of understanding Scripture the way you do. Even in the life-time of most of us, the technology you rely on for your opinions was unheard of. 

Peter is very specific about OT prophecy focusing on Christ & his church:

1 Peter 1:9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.
10 Of which salvation the prophets have inquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.
12 Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.
13 Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;

Note YOU, US.

Interesting that you should bring up Isaiah 25 again. I like to use it as Peter said Isaiah intended, as both were moved by the Spirit of Christ, the Holy Ghost:

6 And in this mountain shall the LORD of hosts make unto all people a feast of fat things, a feast of wines on the lees, of fat things full of marrow, of wines on the lees well refined.
7 And he will destroy in this mountain the face of the covering cast over all people, and the vail that is spread over all nations.
8 He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord GOD will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off all the earth: for the LORD hath spoken it.
9 And it shall be said in that day, Lo, this is our God; we have waited for him, and he will save us: this is the LORD; we have waited for him, we will be glad and rejoice in his salvation.

Has it occurred to you, Eric, that Isaiah could be prophesying Calvary? 

 

 

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Yes I saw pictures of the book with Psalm 83 open. I would say that was a sign from God that it is near. Also read Obadiah it is the same battle. Also read Isaiah 17 and 19. They will happen after Israel is divided according to Daniel 11:39-43a.

Clearly, if we read the Scriptures through your eyes, Eric, that we CANNOT understand the Scriptures, nor prophecy, by reading God's word, & NO-ONE in the previous 2,000 years had any chance of knowing what we know now, nor of understanding Scripture the way you do. Even in the life-time of most of us, the technology you rely on for your opinions was unheard of. 

Peter is very specific about OT prophecy focusing on Christ & his church:

1 Peter 1:9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.
10 Of which salvation the prophets have inquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.
12 Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.
13 Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;

Note YOU, US.

Interesting that you should bring up Isaiah 25 again. I like to use it as Peter said Isaiah intended, as both were moved by the Spirit of Christ, the Holy Ghost:

6 And in this mountain shall the LORD of hosts make unto all people a feast of fat things, a feast of wines on the lees, of fat things full of marrow, of wines on the lees well refined.
7 And he will destroy in this mountain the face of the covering cast over all people, and the vail that is spread over all nations.
8 He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord GOD will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off all the earth: for the LORD hath spoken it.
9 And it shall be said in that day, Lo, this is our God; we have waited for him, and he will save us: this is the LORD; we have waited for him, we will be glad and rejoice in his salvation.

Has it occurred to you, Eric, that Isaiah could be prophesying Calvary? 

 

 

Daniel was told that the prophecy was sealed till the time of the end but at the time of the end the wise shall understand read Daniel 12:4,10.

Edited by Eric Stahl

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Yes I saw pictures of the book with Psalm 83 open. I would say that was a sign from God that it is near.

The guy who I posted about also believes that.  

Here's the article from National Geographic - http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/07/060726-ireland-psalms.html

But when investigating the 'book', it was also told after the initial story, that, as the 'book' was based on the Vulgate, the numbering of the Psalms is one number off from the KJV text. Here's the next article from National Geographic - http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/07/060727-book-psalms.html - read the 2nd page.

Hence, what was showing was actually Psalm 84, not Psalm 83.

This is how this type of hype is started. By men jumping to conclusions about something prophetic, which is not.

See why I don't follow your way of thinking? There is no actual facts here. Just a bunch of hopeful people looking for something exciting to happen.

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Daniel was told that the prophecy was sealed till the time of the end but at the time of the end the wise shall understand read Daniel 12:4,10.

That is NOT a reply to my post. Isaiah 25 obviously refers to Calvary.

 

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Brethren,

It is only partially doctrinally correct to say that Isaiah 25 and 1 Peter 1:9-13 is a reference to Calvary. 

Isaiah 25:6-12 and 1 Peter 1:9-13 is speaking of Calvary, "and the glory that should follow." 1 Peter 1:11 is a direct reference to the 1000 (Millennial) reign of Christ in Revelation 20:3-7. To say that these verses are reference's to Calvary and not mention the true fulfillment of the prophecy of Isaiah and the Apostle Peter is not the entire truth of the future work, and coming glory, of the Lord Jesus.

Isaiah 25:7, "And he shall destroy in this mountain the face of the covering cast over all people, and the veil that is spread over all nations." Is not a reference to Calvary but it is  a reference to the Millennial Reign of Christ as spoken in Revelation 20:3-7

Isaiah 25:8, "He will swallow up death in victory; and the LORD God will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off all the earth: for the LORD hath spoken it." The reference in the New Testament to this verse, and the fulfilment of this prophecy, is not a reference or a fulfilment in Calvary; but, it is a prophecy of the new glorified body that every saint receives in the coming of the Lord Jesus (1 Corinthians 15:42-57), and all tears will be taken away after the Millennium as spoken of in Revelation 21:4

1 Corinthians 15:54, "So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written. Death is swallowed up in victory." This is a direct reference to Isaiah 25:8 and it is not referring to Calvary it is referring to the resurrection and is still future.

Revelation 21:4, "And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away." This is the direct reference, and fulfilment, of Isaiah 25:8 and it is not a reference to Calvary but to the time, after the Millinnial Reign of Christ, and after the Great White Throne of Judgment; but during the formation of the New Heaven and the New Earth that God fulfills Isaiah 25:8

I do hope that this short study will be a blessing and a help to all in understanding the ultimate fulfilling of Isaiah 25:6-12 and 1 Peter 1:9-13

Alan

 

 

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There has always been tribulation. But this is referencing The Great Tribulation spoken of in Scripture, there is a difference. The church age is not the great tribulation; that is yet to come.

Can any tribulation be greater than that suffered by the church over the centuries?

Paulicians  -  Wiped out

Bogomils  -  Wiped out

Waldensians  -  Almost wiped out and ceased to be a witnessing entity having agreed to take the mass once a year until after the reformation.

Hussites  -  Wiped out

Huegenots  -  Wiped out. They were at one time estimated to be about 48% of the French population.

Camisards  -  Wiped out,

They are only those that I can think of at present

Yes I saw pictures of the book with Psalm 83 open. I would say that was a sign from God that it is near. Also read Obadiah it is the same battle. Also read Isaiah 17 and 19. They will happen after Israel is divided according to Daniel 11:39-43a.

Daniel was told that the prophecy was sealed till the time of the end but at the time of the end the wise shall understand read Daniel 12:4,10.

The end of What?  You should ask yourself.

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The guy who I posted about also believes that.  

Here's the article from National Geographic - http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/07/060726-ireland-psalms.html

But when investigating the 'book', it was also told after the initial story, that, as the 'book' was based on the Vulgate, the numbering of the Psalms is one number off from the KJV text. Here's the next article from National Geographic - http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/07/060727-book-psalms.html - read the 2nd page.

Hence, what was showing was actually Psalm 84, not Psalm 83.

This is how this type of hype is started. By men jumping to conclusions about something prophetic, which is not.

See why I don't follow your way of thinking? There is no actual facts here. Just a bunch of hopeful people looking for something exciting to happen.

Did you read all my post? It explained that it will happen after Israel is divided.

Can any tribulation be greater than that suffered by the church over the centuries?

Paulicians  -  Wiped out

Bogomils  -  Wiped out

Waldensians  -  Almost wiped out and ceased to be a witnessing entity having agreed to take the mass once a year until after the reformation.

Hussites  -  Wiped out

Huegenots  -  Wiped out. They were at one time estimated to be about 48% of the French population.

Camisards  -  Wiped out,

They are only those that I can think of at present

The end of What?  You should ask yourself.

Time.

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