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What is wrong with OB? Earlier today I typed a message in another thread and it disappeared when I clicked Submit Reply. I just spent a good bit of time typing a message here and it too disappeared when I clicked Submit Reply.

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Trump has name recognition on his side. I'll be watching debate tonight.

That helps, plus he stands out from the crowd because he speaks plainly rather than in rehearsed, canned sound bites like most of the candidates.

During the last two presidential elections the candidates leading the polls early on quickly faded away once the actual primaries began.

Trumps performance in the debate will be closely watched. A good showing will likely boost his poll standings. If he does very badly it's likely some of those lifting his poll numbers up now will turn to one of the other candidates which they think did well in the debates.

I watched the early debate with the 7 candidates and I plan to watch at least the first part of the prime time debate.

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To start with, regarding the debates, I didn't care for the "gotcha" questions the moderators asked which were clearly designed to place the candidates in a bad situation. I also didn't care for the attempts to get some of the candidates to go after one another. Questions such as that seem more like the moderators attempting make news rather than get at the issues.

That said, I think Carly Fiorina did well in the early 7 candidate debate. Rick Perry often seemed stuck on rehearsed lines and had a bit of a stumble in answering a question. A few of the others had either some decent answers or some decent personality that came forth, but not really both. Fiorina may have helped her candidacy but the others might not have helped themselves too much.

In the prime time debate it was obvious the moderators were out to get Trump, and to take some digs at a couple of the other candidates as well. Trump may have done well enough to please his core supporters but likely didn't win any new ones. Cruz and Huckabee sounded good, but at least in the case of Huckabee it seemed the people responded more to his personality than substance. This has been a big problem with voters for a long time now.

Some of the pundits say they think Rubio did well. Myself, I thought he did okay, but nothing outstanding. Rand Paul had a few good points but overall I don't think he came off well. Carson seemed a little sluggish until towards the end when he got some good ones in. Jeb Bush and Christ Christie were about like always, two liberal leaning Republicans trying to sound like conservatives.

We'll have to wait and see how things play out, some potential voters won't make up their mind until they listen to their favorite talking heads tell them what to think. Most of the candidates did okay, I didn't see any total fall downs or any "this is the one" moments. A few of the candidates did stand out to one extent or another. It's possible Fiorina, Cruz and Huckabee made some gains. Some of the other did well enough they may see a bit of gains too. It might be more interesting, and telling, to see who (if anyone) loses a lot of support.

Still a long ways to go in this election cycle so a lot can happen between now and the six months leading up to the caucus in Iowa in about six months.

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To start with, regarding the debates, I didn't care for the "gotcha" questions the moderators asked which were clearly designed to place the candidates in a bad situation. I also didn't care for the attempts to get some of the candidates to go after one another. Questions such as that seem more like the moderators attempting make news rather than get at the issues.

That said, I think Carly Fiorina did well in the early 7 candidate debate. Rick Perry often seemed stuck on rehearsed lines and had a bit of a stumble in answering a question. A few of the others had either some decent answers or some decent personality that came forth, but not really both. Fiorina may have helped her candidacy but the others might not have helped themselves too much.

In the prime time debate it was obvious the moderators were out to get Trump, and to take some digs at a couple of the other candidates as well. Trump may have done well enough to please his core supporters but likely didn't win any new ones. Cruz and Huckabee sounded good, but at least in the case of Huckabee it seemed the people responded more to his personality than substance. This has been a big problem with voters for a long time now.

Some of the pundits say they think Rubio did well. Myself, I thought he did okay, but nothing outstanding. Rand Paul had a few good points but overall I don't think he came off well. Carson seemed a little sluggish until towards the end when he got some good ones in. Jeb Bush and Christ Christie were about like always, two liberal leaning Republicans trying to sound like conservatives.

We'll have to wait and see how things play out, some potential voters won't make up their mind until they listen to their favorite talking heads tell them what to think. Most of the candidates did okay, I didn't see any total fall downs or any "this is the one" moments. A few of the candidates did stand out to one extent or another. It's possible Fiorina, Cruz and Huckabee made some gains. Some of the other did well enough they may see a bit of gains too. It might be more interesting, and telling, to see who (if anyone) loses a lot of support.

Still a long ways to go in this election cycle so a lot can happen between now and the six months leading up to the caucus in Iowa in about six months.

Brother John have you ever though about being a reporter, this very well makes more sense then anything I've read in the news and well put together as well .thanks brother.

God bless

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very interesting about the evangelicals. I wonder if they are talking about Bobby Jindal he says his first religion was Hindu until he became a evangelical catholic ?Scott Walker on the other hand was a SB and the church turned to liberal and joined a nondenominational evangelical church for their daughters sake.? And Ben Carson says he was baptized twice into the seventh day Adventist church.while Jeb Bush ,Marco Rubio, Rick Santorum, George Pataki, and Chris Christie are Catholics. Leaving Carly Florina as the only Episcopalian though she's not active in the church but once in a while.Jim Gilmore is a united Methodist, Rick Perry's independent Methodist. Donald Trump and Rand Paul Presbyterians, and Mike Huckabee , Ted Cruz, and Lindsey Graham are Southern Baptist, the other feller (I can't remember his name )he's Anglican.

Oh yeah Thomas Jefferson ,raised a Anglican but later had no affiliation with them and is listed only as a Christian.

 

God bless brother

 

 

 

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Trump seems to be an honest man ..... 

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BAIER: Mr. Trump, it’s not just your past support for single-payer health care. You’ve also supported a host of other liberal policies….You’ve also donated to several Democratic candidates, Hillary Clinton included, and Nancy Pelosi. You explained away those donations saying you did that to get business-related favors. And you said recently, quote, “When you give, they do whatever the hell you want them to do.”

TRUMP: You’d better believe it.

BAIER: — they do?

TRUMP: If I ask them, if I need them, you know, most of the people on this stage I’ve given to, just so you understand, a lot of money.

TRUMP:  I will tell you that our system is broken. I gave to many people, before this, before two months ago, I was a businessman. I give to everybody. When they call, I give. And do you know what? When I need something from them two years later, three years later, I call them, they are there for me. And that’s a broken system.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What did you get from Hillary Clinton and Nancy Pelosi?

TRUMP: Well, I’ll tell you what, with Hillary Clinton, I said be at my wedding and she came to my wedding. You know why?

She didn’t have a choice because I gave. I gave to a foundation that, frankly, that foundation is supposed to do good. I didn’t know her money would be used on private jets going all over the world. It was.

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Trump seems to be an honest man ..... 

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BAIER: Mr. Trump, it’s not just your past support for single-payer health care. You’ve also supported a host of other liberal policies….You’ve also donated to several Democratic candidates, Hillary Clinton included, and Nancy Pelosi. You explained away those donations saying you did that to get business-related favors. And you said recently, quote, “When you give, they do whatever the hell you want them to do.”

TRUMP: You’d better believe it.

BAIER: — they do?

TRUMP: If I ask them, if I need them, you know, most of the people on this stage I’ve given to, just so you understand, a lot of money.

TRUMP:  I will tell you that our system is broken. I gave to many people, before this, before two months ago, I was a businessman. I give to everybody. When they call, I give. And do you know what? When I need something from them two years later, three years later, I call them, they are there for me. And that’s a broken system.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What did you get from Hillary Clinton and Nancy Pelosi?

TRUMP: Well, I’ll tell you what, with Hillary Clinton, I said be at my wedding and she came to my wedding. You know why?

She didn’t have a choice because I gave. I gave to a foundation that, frankly, that foundation is supposed to do good. I didn’t know her money would be used on private jets going all over the world. It was.

His outspokenness is the main reason the Republican leadership, media and others want him silenced.

The head of the RNC told Trump he needed to stop talking about certain things, change his tone, and follow the guidance of the Republican leadership or the RNC would work against him.

This is also the reason the Republican leadership and many Republican politicians in DC don't like Cruz and want to see him done away with; because of his more open and honest speaking. Similar is true also of Rand Paul but in regard to other matters.

Ever since Ronald Reagan one the nomination in 1980 against the wishes of the Republican leadership, the RNC has worked very hard to make sure only candidates on their approved list might have a real shot at the nomination and presidency. They have done this to the point of willingly sacrificing any real chance to win the presidency just to have their way.

Honesty and truth, and men who can't be bought off, are not wanted by the RNC, DNC, or the media.

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Donald Trump, can't be trusted.

He identifies his policies more as a Democrat.

He has always been pro abortion, until recently.

He says don't defund planned parenthood.

He's pro assault weapon ban.

He's for the US Army in Iraqi and for taking their oil.

He keeps all the bibles he's given in a special place outside the city ?

He only goes to church on Christmas and Easter.

He's gone bankrupt four times

He has a incoherent set of polices, which on his website is only one. immigration reform.

He's self centered, and loves bulling people by his arrogance.

He says make America great again. How could this possibly happen with immigration reform.?

He's a businessman , mm bush was the first president to have a degree in business.that worked out well.

The polls have him leading with 25% yet 53% of registered Republican voters say they would not vote for him.?

He's a progressive Republican.

Our just maybe he's wolf in sheepskin for the democratic party leading the way for Hillary.

He's not got my vote.

Ted Cruz is the only candidate that has given his testimony that he is a born again Christian, testifying that Jesus is his Lord and Savior. He's the only candidate that has stood before the government testifying that this Nation needs to turn to Jesus and repent of its sins and stood strong when he was mocked. He's the only candidate that stands for the truth and has fought to reveal the lies of the politicians to the American people . he's the only candidate that has vowed on day one as our president to resend all that Obama and Washington has done to our Nation and bring charges against them, but with the Republican party not liking him it may seem impossible, but all things are possible with God.

In Prayer Gods will be done

God bless

 

 

 

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While there are some things about Cruz I like, there are also similar things to those in Trump's resume. Cruz has shifted his positions in some of those areas as well.

The sad thing is, not a person running for president right now has a totally consistent track record over the past ten or more years. They have all shifted positions. Changing positions isn't always a bad thing, but we have to dig deep to try and figure out just why they changed their position, if the reason leads us to believe it's a meaningful, lasting change, a politically expedient change, a meaningless change.

Ronald Reagan was once a Democrat and some of the things he put into effect in California as governor were of the liberal/progressive stripe. He moved away from much of that and ran for president as a conservative.

Unfortunately, the political climate in America today, and the way the election system is rigged, those who seriously want to try and win the White House have to shift positions, straddle fences, speak one way to one audience, another to the next; campaign more to the Left or Right for the primaries and then campaign more to the ever fluctuating Center for the general election.

While I oppose nearly everything about Obama, he's actually one of the few candidates who has been pretty clear about most of his positions and intentions while running for office and while in office. He's actually gone to great lengths to "fundamentally transform America" through liberalism/socialism and with actually very little opposition from the so-called GOP "opposition party".

If only we could manage to elect a true Christian who is a true traditional conservative who would actually do all they could to do what they promised during the elections.

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I could not support any of the candidates. Due to my own reading of scriptures, I lean more heavily towards social justice. (This is gonna get me fried here, but hear me out). I find that if I must hold a pro-life position, it must be a consistent pro-life position. That means looking at EVERY person as a beloved and unique creation of God. If I am to be pro-life, it means that I believe that everyone deserves housing, food, education, clothing and medical care. If it could be accomplished through the churches, then that would be best, however, there are very few churches with the resources necessary to do this. If it can be accomplished at the local level, then that would be good. Personally, I'd prefer to see it top down coming from DC. A standard group of regulations, and a standard time-frame. 

I work at a school that does professional retraining, helping people either join or re-join the workforce. There needs to be more of what I do, We teach people marketable job skills, geared to our area. I am in favor of this...and while people are in training, providing them everything else they need to be successful. A year or two of support pays off in the long run. 

As regards healthcare, I am fully in favor of single payer, universal health care. Maybe it's because I know way too many people who are terrified that loss of a job would mean the loss of their healthcare. Also, think about this one...if you didn't have to stay saddled to a job for healthcare, would you branch out? Would you perhaps go into ministry full time or start a charity or a non-profit? How much could you do if you didn't have to worry about keeping health insurance? 

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9 hours ago, Saved41199 said:

I could not support any of the candidates. Due to my own reading of scriptures, I lean more heavily towards social justice. (This is gonna get me fried here, but hear me out). I find that if I must hold a pro-life position, it must be a consistent pro-life position. That means looking at EVERY person as a beloved and unique creation of God. If I am to be pro-life, it means that I believe that everyone deserves housing, food, education, clothing and medical care. You say you learn this from scripture, but I wonder then what scripture you speak of. None of this is to be found in scripture. The only people that God ever GAVE everything to was Israel, but that was after 40 years of obedience training in the desert and 15 years of war, (ie, taking it away) with the current residents. It also entailed obedience to God's laws, or it was taken away.  If it could be accomplished through the churches, then that would be best, however, there are very few churches with the resources necessary to do this. Again, unscriptural; churches see to the physical needs of believers, not 'the community'. This is a common flaw, based primarily out of Catholicism, who sought, like the government does now, to control every aspect of the lives of the community, and in doing so, taight them to rely on the church for everything.  The only thing we owe the community is the gospel of Jesus Christ. If it can be accomplished at the local level, then that would be good. Personally, I'd prefer to see it top down coming from DC. Again, unscriptural-even God didn't designate the seeing to all the needs of the nation to the king. The king protected through battle, not through welfare. The Lord, rather instructed EVERYONE to help their neighbor. But even here, there was a demand, expecially in the NT, that if a man wouldn't work, neither should he eat. If a man is capable of working, but refuses, there is no help for them-let them starve. Otherwise, let them work and see to their needs, and learn to help others when there is a NEED. A standard group of regulations, and a standard time-frame. 

I work at a school that does professional retraining, helping people either join or re-join the workforce. There needs to be more of what I do, We teach people marketable job skills, geared to our area. I am in favor of this...and while people are in training, providing them everything else they need to be successful. A year or two of support pays off in the long run. And this is a good thing-in fact, under Clinton, or maybe Bush, I am not sure, welfare was given a 2-year limit, and part of it was to train people in new job skills-this is great, it is a hand-up, not a hand-out. But that all kind of went away because ultimately, the government wants cradle-to-grave control.

As regards healthcare, I am fully in favor of single payer, universal health care. Maybe it's because I know way too many people who are terrified that loss of a job would mean the loss of their healthcare. Also, think about this one...if you didn't have to stay saddled to a job for healthcare, would you branch out? Would you perhaps go into ministry full time or start a charity or a non-profit? How much could you do if you didn't have to worry about keeping health insurance? I work full time and already have a fulltime ministry. Would I like it otherwise? Sure, but single-payer, ie, government insurance, has a proven record of failures, especially in thie country-read about the big problems in the VA: that is basically single-payer insurance, and people wait sometimes up to a year to be seen, even for serious things, because it is mismanaged terribly; now imagine that bad management running ALL the medical care in the country. No thanks.

Please understand, I am not frying you-you are clearly sincere, but sincerely wrong, scripturally and legally. The more the government has gotten their hands in things, the worse, ultimately, things have gotten in those areas.

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Scripture for my social justice beliefs:

Matthew 25:31-46

Micah 6:8

James 1:27

And as one who has been greatly helped by government programs, including HUD-VASH, the VA, Medicaid, I do not want to see these programs go away. I'm sorry if you can't understand this, but without those programs, I would be homeless, my husband would be dead and I'd probably be trying to end my life on a regular basis, until I succeeded. I once thought as you do until life hit us in the face. At that point you have no idea how thankful I am for the programs that got us off the streets, got our medical needs met, We are not young, we have worked all our lives, until things came crashing down. 

You've fallen for the propaganda. It's not Christian, you've been sold a bill of goods. It started with good ol' Ronnie Reagan and the "Moral Majority" back in the late 70's, early 80's. 

The joy of being a critical thinker unwilling to walk in lockstep with anyone. 

Edited by Saved41199

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7 minutes ago, Saved41199 said:

Scripture for my social justice beliefs:

Matthew 25:31-46 These verses have a very specific context, and that has to do with during the tribulation period, how people treated the people of God. It can't really be used in a general social justice context, and especially anything having to do with the government doing anything. It is personal.

Micah 6:8  Again, personal-we, as individuals, ought to seek to be a help to others as much as we are able, but it is neither a mandate toward government nor a church.

James 1:27 Individuals, not churches or government.

As people, as believers, we should do what we can to be good to others. But the most important thing we can give is the gospel unto salvation, otherwise all we are doing is making them comfortable in their lost state.

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21 minutes ago, Ukulelemike said:

As people, as believers, we should do what we can to be good to others. But the most important thing we can give is the gospel unto salvation, otherwise all we are doing is making them comfortable in their lost state.

Oh my goodness! SO, you give a homeless man a tract, tell him "be warm and well fed" and keep going? Really? How about giving him a hand up? 

Government has to do the job because it is too big a job for a single entity or group of entities. Realistically, it would be lovely if it could be a one to one deal. But, it isn't. And, your opposition to all this and the language you've used shows me that you are opposed to certain things because of reasons I don't think are quite biblical. You fell for the "welfare queen" description that has been so thoroughly debunked. As I stated above, I AM a welfare recipient who has benefitted from government programs. I wish you could see that for every bogus baloney news story you hear, there are thousands just like me who are able to get back on our feet after being kicked in the teeth. 

The strongest opposition to welfare programs comes from those who are actually the greatest recipients of them...West Virginia, Kentucky, Alabama, Mississippi, these states are "deep red" and very Christian...and take MORE welfare dollars than the inner cities of Detroit and New York. Yet, nothing is EVER said about the generations of welfare recipients in the hollers and the mountains. Why? Think about it...long and hard. See what kind of propaganda you're ingesting and then think about it again. 

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6 minutes ago, Saved41199 said:

Oh my goodness! SO, you give a homeless man a tract, tell him "be warm and well fed" and keep going? Really? How about giving him a hand up? 

James 2:15  If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,16  And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
17  Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

 

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1 minute ago, Invicta said:

James 2:15  If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,16  And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
17  Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

 

My point exactly. Why I support social safety nets. Strong social safety nets. It is easier to talk to someone about the gospel when their stomach isn't growling, when they aren't dirty and cold. 

But, that makes me a "dirty lib" among some of those here. It's ok though...I have to follow what I believe, untainted by the propaganda of the world. 

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38 minutes ago, Saved41199 said:

My point exactly. Why I support social safety nets. Strong social safety nets. It is easier to talk to someone about the gospel when their stomach isn't growling, when they aren't dirty and cold. 

But, that makes me a "dirty lib" among some of those here. It's ok though...I have to follow what I believe, untainted by the propaganda of the world. 

Your heart for people is admirable, and your own experience of receiving help when needed is a blessing. But you are not a welfare queen. You and your husband contributed to this country until life "hit you in the face". But your experience does not match that of everyone else. I was LEO in Alaska for a time, in remote Alaska Native villages. As is my son now. And the abuses to the system, the welfare mentality that has taken away the dignity, the ambition, the self respect, the work ethic of a huge swath of the population is heart breaking. Saved41199, there is always 2 sides to a coin. The is no light without darkness, no white without black. You hold to your side of the coin very strongly, but you need to recognize and admit the other side as well. The abuse of unbridled welfare kills the soul of a people worse than the hunger ravages the body. I have dealt with so many teen girls, multiple generations of them, having babies on a regular basis for the addition to the welfare check they get for each extra mouth to feed. The babies get handed off to grandma, momma is back to the parties and dad is nowhere around because he's not needed. Government will take care of everything. A generation has been lost, a people and it's culture have been destroyed and they still do not want to hear the gospel because they do not NEED anything. All because of unbridled welfare. Everything is given to them.

Helping the needy is Biblical, so is "if you don't work, you don't eat" and "He that provideth not for his family is worse than an infidel". BOTH sides. There must be balance.

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This is a very contentious subject that arises often amongst Christians.  Books have been written about it, lectures and sermons have been given.  I have been on both sides of the issue.  What I can tell you is that when my mind was changed, it did not happen as a result of heated debate.  It was a series of one on one conversations, with someone whom I respected a great deal and who took the time and patience to sit down at a table with a Bible  and calmly and kindly speak with me about it.  I would raise questions and he would walk me through each idea and their consequence/resolution in a Biblical way as well as a secular way.

From my experience, public debates about issues such as this, with both sides slinging their best defenses for their positions back and forth, have never resulted in one side being swayed toward the other.  It may happen, but I have never seen it.   

The same man, whom I mentioned above, once spoke to me about changing one's character.  He said that you can choose to engage in or refrain from certain behaviors by committing to doing so, but you cannot simply change your character.  To change your character takes time.  It is a process of changing one's belief system and worldview until it affects your heart and conscience.  

For example, a father might tell his child not to hit their sibling.  The child may choose to obey the father's command because they don't want to get into trouble, but they still don't see anything wrong with it and would still like to hit their sibling.  That is a decision.  However, over time, when the child realizes how hitting their sibling hurts them and is a bad thing to do, they will stop hitting their sibling because their character has changed.

The issue of social justice is connected to a person's particular worldview and must be changed in a similar manner.

Let's make sure that we continue to keep things civil.

Edited by Brother Stafford

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3 hours ago, weary warrior said:

Your heart for people is admirable, and your own experience of receiving help when needed is a blessing. But you are not a welfare queen. You and your husband contributed to this country until life "hit you in the face". But your experience does not match that of everyone else. I was LEO in Alaska for a time, in remote Alaska Native villages. As is my son now. And the abuses to the system, the welfare mentality that has taken away the dignity, the ambition, the self respect, the work ethic of a huge swath of the population is heart breaking. Saved41199, there is always 2 sides to a coin. The is no light without darkness, no white without black. You hold to your side of the coin very strongly, but you need to recognize and admit the other side as well. The abuse of unbridled welfare kills the soul of a people worse than the hunger ravages the body. I have dealt with so many teen girls, multiple generations of them, having babies on a regular basis for the addition to the welfare check they get for each extra mouth to feed. The babies get handed off to grandma, momma is back to the parties and dad is nowhere around because he's not needed. Government will take care of everything. A generation has been lost, a people and it's culture have been destroyed and they still do not want to hear the gospel because they do not NEED anything. All because of unbridled welfare. Everything is given to them.

Helping the needy is Biblical, so is "if you don't work, you don't eat" and "He that provideth not for his family is worse than an infidel". BOTH sides. There must be balance.

So, what is the solution? Women keep having babies they can't or won't raise. Ok..so, contraception. Preferably long term like an IUD. Oh no...that MIGHT kill a fertilized egg...can't have that either. So...what's the solution? In an ideal world of Christian values, women would get married and responsibly have only the children they can reasonably raise...but...it doesn't work that way either...

Education: funding keeps getting cut. With the new idiot in DC, the public education system will end up dismantled. Then what? We will have a bunch of people with no education, no ability to hold down even the most rudimentary job, and then what? Let them just shrivel up and die? 

TANF increases for subsequent children is a strawman...even in Alaska...http://dhss.alaska.gov/dpa/Pages/atap/default.aspx

Alaska Temporary Assistance Program:

  • Imposes a 60-month lifetime limit on assistance
  • Limits additional assistance for second parents, and reduces benefits for two-parent families during July, August, and September when there are better opportunities for employment
  • Requires families to complete a Family Self-Sufficiency Plan, identify self-sufficiency goals and work or participate in activities that will move them toward those goals
  • Requires cooperation with the Child Support Services Division in establishing paternity for the children, locating the absent parent, and collecting any child support the absent parent is responsible for paying
  • Prohibits making purchases with or accessing cash benefits on EBT cards at any ATMs that are located in bars, liquor stores, gambling or adult entertainment establishments.

 

Income Limits and Maximum Payments
1/1/2016 TO 12/31/2016

Household Size

2

3

4

5

6

Each Addt’l

Income Limit

$1,412

$1,590

$1,767

$1,945

$2,122

$178

Maximum Payment

$821

$923

$1,025

$1,127

$1,229

$102

 

 

Now...care to try to tell me some more? Stop buying the anecdotal rubbish. Here's the law for Alaska. Here's the money they get. Does this really sound like the budget busting line item you think it is? 

Also, how did those counties vote in the last election? Red or Blue? 

 

Edited by Saved41199
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7 minutes ago, Saved41199 said:

So, what is the solution? Women keep having babies they can't or won't raise. Ok..so, contraception. Preferably long term like an IUD. Oh no...that MIGHT kill a fertilized egg...can't have that either. So...what's the solution?

Just for clarification, are you saying that you are pro choice?  I'm just a bit confused.

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Since 2001, Online Baptist has been an Independent Baptist website, and we exclusively use the King James Version of the Bible. We pride ourselves on a community that uplifts the Lord.

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You can contact us using the following link. Contact Us or for questions regarding this website please contact @pastormatt or email James Foley at jfoley@sisqtel.net

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