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Godliness VS Worldliness, Holiness VS Ungodly or Worldly or Carnal, Obedience VS Grace (heretical form of grace which is not God's grace, but rather fleshly indulgence)..Laying up treasures in Heaven VS Loving the things of the world.....

I wonder how this will go over here.  Most Christians I have encountered are living according to heretical teachings of God's grace which is not God's grace at all.  They excuse themselves for personal indulgences of ungodly things claiming that God's grace makes it ok.

There is nothing holy or Godly about Bugs Bunny, but many Christians love Bugs Bunny and promote him as something good when he is nothing but wicked.  So what do you think?  Heaven forbid that we mention women in pants on stage leading the men as something worldly.

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Godliness VS Worldliness, Holiness VS Ungodly or Worldly or Carnal, Obedience VS Grace (heretical form of grace which is not God's grace, but rather fleshly indulgence)..Laying up treasures in Heaven VS Loving the things of the world.....

I wonder how this will go over here.  Most Christians I have encountered are living according to heretical teachings of God's grace which is not God's grace at all.  They excuse themselves for personal indulgences of ungodly things claiming that God's grace makes it ok.

There is nothing holy or Godly about Bugs Bunny, but many Christians love Bugs Bunny and promote him as something good when he is nothing but wicked.  So what do you think?  Heaven forbid that we mention women in pants on stage leading the men as something worldly.

Whats even worse to me are what I call the apostate churches that seem to think that Gods grace is for the sinner the unsaved in the same way the grace is to the believer. Another words they are misreading because for instance Gods wrath is on the wicked every day.  That hasn't changed.  Grace to be alive and to get the message of the Gospel to hear the good news is there of course.  You should try reading up on the RCC and her harlots on what they think grace is they don't have the first clue in my opinion.  They include everyone that's alive in Gods grace as it applies to the believer in many cases.  It's very convoluted, misread, misunderstood and misused.  Grace is even applied as they work their way to Heaven ignoring what salvation really is Jesus Christ. 

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What does "alive in God's grace" mean?  What is Biblical about the term "alive in God's grace"?  I see that phrase nowhere in the Bible and don't understand what you mean by it.   The grace of God which brings salvation has appeared unto all men, (saved and lost) teaching us (who are saved) that denying ungodliness and worldly lusts we should live soberly, righteously in this present world....I understand God's grace as the reason for us to obey Him...how are you defining it?     I don't understand what you are saying about God's grace.  I'm not much interested in what RCC folks say about God's grace....they are lost and don't know what they are talking about to begin with.  Most Christians (or at least those who claim to be Christians...I have to wonder if they are saved when they believe God's grace makes their sin ok so they are automatically holy and they can indulge in worldly things with no fear of God)   today don't know what they are talking about when they talk about God's grace...do you know what you are talking about?

 

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What does "alive in God's grace" mean?  What is Biblical about the term "alive in God's grace"?  I see that phrase nowhere in the Bible and don't understand what you mean by it.   The grace of God which brings salvation has appeared unto all men, (saved and lost) teaching us (who are saved) that denying ungodliness and worldly lusts we should live soberly, righteously in this present world....I understand God's grace as the reason for us to obey Him...how are you defining it?     I don't understand what you are saying about God's grace.  I'm not much interested in what RCC folks say about God's grace....they are lost and don't know what they are talking about to begin with.  Most Christians (or at least those who claim to be Christians...I have to wonder if they are saved when they believe God's grace makes their sin ok so they are automatically holy and they can indulge in worldly things with no fear of God)   today don't know what they are talking about when they talk about God's grace...do you know what you are talking about?

 

I didn't say that.  I was addressing Rome AND her harlots.  misusing grace.  Some people aren't interested in people that are trapped. I guess I see things that way.  

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I didn't say that.  I was addressing Rome AND her harlots.  misusing grace.  Some people aren't interested in people that are trapped. I guess I see things that way.  

Grace to be alive and to get the message of the Gospel to hear the good news is there of course.  You should try reading up on the RCC and her harlots on what they think grace is they don't have the first clue in my opinion.  They include everyone that's alive in Gods grace as it applies to the believer in many cases...."

You did say that, and I don't know what you mean when you are talking about "grace".  What I'm trying to get at is how many who appear or claim to be born again use "God's grace" as an excuse for worldly or carnal indulgences to enjoy ungodly things of the world.......

Usually when Christians today speak of being under God's grace, they are implying that God's grace excuses or covers their sin so they do not have to fear God and can do whatever they feel like doing......such as watching ungodly cartoons, or women dressing like men desiring male authority in things they do....

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Godliness VS Worldliness, Holiness VS Ungodly or Worldly or Carnal, Obedience VS Grace (heretical form of grace which is not God's grace, but rather fleshly indulgence)..Laying up treasures in Heaven VS Loving the things of the world.....

I wonder how this will go over here.  Most Christians I have encountered are living according to heretical teachings of God's grace which is not God's grace at all.  They excuse themselves for personal indulgences of ungodly things claiming that God's grace makes it ok.

There is nothing holy or Godly about Bugs Bunny, but many Christians love Bugs Bunny and promote him as something good when he is nothing but wicked.  So what do you think?  Heaven forbid that we mention women in pants on stage leading the men as something worldly.

Curious. Where does this come into Biblical discussion?

You deem Bugs Bunny as wicked?

Is 'slapstick' style humor wicked?

You could probably pick something a little bit more 'wicked' than that couldn't you?

I don't know of any Christians that focus on Bugs Bunny as being a role model at all. Nor do I find that Christians even mention Bugs Bunny anywhere.

I think false doctrine brings about wickedness in Christians, and that is the result of being 'weak' in spiritual strength, for lack of wisdom from the word of God.

Bugs Bunny, nor any other cartoon character, is not the problem - false teachings affect lives more than any type of entertainment.

 

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Curious. Where does this come into Biblical discussion?

You deem Bugs Bunny as wicked?

Is 'slapstick' style humor wicked?

You could probably pick something a little bit more 'wicked' than that couldn't you?

I don't know of any Christians that focus on Bugs Bunny as being a role model at all. Nor do I find that Christians even mention Bugs Bunny anywhere.

I think false doctrine brings about wickedness in Christians, and that is the result of being 'weak' in spiritual strength, for lack of wisdom from the word of God.

Bugs Bunny, nor any other cartoon character, is not the problem - false teachings affect lives more than any type of entertainment.

 

 

I hate television myself it's filled with sin.  There are a lot of things on youtube about hidden meanings etc.  TV being propaganda.  I just think its sin filled entertainment.  Tries to get you in there to look and listen to more.  They can keep their hidden meanings and symbols as if the sin on that thing weren't obvious enough to begin with.  I'm not surprised by any of it.  Come out from them and be separate and if television isn't the world I don't know what is.  I find youtube fascinating.  You can pick what you want to watch on just about anything you can learn stuff.  Learn how to farm you name it.  lol. Learn how to dig a well or install a toilet.  I don't like reading all that much anymore my eyes get strained and tired.  TV pretty much picks for me what it wants me to watch and I don't like that very much.  Little in the way of learning unless you like the circus lol which TV is to me pretty much its a waste of time and a futile pursuit.  There are better places.  I can find all kinds of preaching and soulwinning tips which has been very helpful.  Heck I can even get live church on there.   

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Just like TV, YouTube and any type of 'source' for 'info' can and has been used to promote sin and the devils ways. It's about choosing to do right, even in the times of temptations. We should strive to be 'clean' no matter what we do and where our eyes are focused.

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Curious. Where does this come into Biblical discussion?

You deem Bugs Bunny as wicked?

Is 'slapstick' style humor wicked?

You could probably pick something a little bit more 'wicked' than that couldn't you?

I don't know of any Christians that focus on Bugs Bunny as being a role model at all. Nor do I find that Christians even mention Bugs Bunny anywhere.

I think false doctrine brings about wickedness in Christians, and that is the result of being 'weak' in spiritual strength, for lack of wisdom from the word of God.

Bugs Bunny, nor any other cartoon character, is not the problem - false teachings affect lives more than any type of entertainment.

 

You deem Bugs Bunny as godly?  you deem slapstick humor as godly?  I don't recall anything godly about The Three Stooges or Laurel and Hardy, do you?  I think the problem is that most Christians today do not know the difference between Godly and worldly.  Bugs Bunny is nothing but worldly at best, wicked and carnal at worst.  Jesus called his own disciples "evil", and you think Bugs Bunny is better?  Please.....tell me more of your false doctrine in support of Bugs Bunny and slapstick humor.

 

I hate television myself it's filled with sin.  There are a lot of things on youtube about hidden meanings etc.  TV being propaganda.  I just think its sin filled entertainment.  Tries to get you in there to look and listen to more.  They can keep their hidden meanings and symbols as if the sin on that thing weren't obvious enough to begin with.  I'm not surprised by any of it.  Come out from them and be separate and if television isn't the world I don't know what is.  I find youtube fascinating.  You can pick what you want to watch on just about anything you can learn stuff.  Learn how to farm you name it.  lol. Learn how to dig a well or install a toilet.  I don't like reading all that much anymore my eyes get strained and tired.  TV pretty much picks for me what it wants me to watch and I don't like that very much.  Little in the way of learning unless you like the circus lol which TV is to me pretty much its a waste of time and a futile pursuit.  There are better places.  I can find all kinds of preaching and soulwinning tips which has been very helpful.  Heck I can even get live church on there.   

Excellent!!!   I tossed my tv when I finally got disgusted and gave up on trying to glean valuables out of Christian programs...and as soon as that idol was out of my house, it was like I did ten years of spring cleaning in one day.  You hit the nail on the head for the point I hope to pound in this thread.   I used to love all the old Looney Tunes characters, now I see them as nothing but worldly, ungodly, wicked wastes of a godly man's time.  One Baptist church I attended recently had a Pastor who loves Duck Dynasty.  He started talking about the show in his Sunday School lesson, and about the actors and what they do on and off the show, and then said something like "the more I talk about it, the more I think I should not like that show".  They are in the wine business for crying out loud.  If you promote that show, you are on both sides of the fence trying to serve God and promoting things that promote evil at the same time.  Come out from among them and be separate, and speak against women who claim to be Christians but think it's ok to dress like men and try to rule over them....and speak against Looney Tunes when you see Christians sucking it up through their ears and eyes....

 

I hate television myself it's filled with sin.  There are a lot of things on youtube about hidden meanings etc.  TV being propaganda.  I just think its sin filled entertainment.  Tries to get you in there to look and listen to more.  They can keep their hidden meanings and symbols as if the sin on that thing weren't obvious enough to begin with.  I'm not surprised by any of it.  Come out from them and be separate and if television isn't the world I don't know what is.  I find youtube fascinating.  You can pick what you want to watch on just about anything you can learn stuff.  Learn how to farm you name it.  lol. Learn how to dig a well or install a toilet.  I don't like reading all that much anymore my eyes get strained and tired.  TV pretty much picks for me what it wants me to watch and I don't like that very much.  Little in the way of learning unless you like the circus lol which TV is to me pretty much its a waste of time and a futile pursuit.  There are better places.  I can find all kinds of preaching and soulwinning tips which has been very helpful.  Heck I can even get live church on there.   

DrPhilKiddMinistries.com broadcasts ever Sunday 15 mins past noon on webcast....they say it starts at noon, but it always starts ten or fifteen mins late, just enough time to get home from church.   I was watching Ray Comfort on the net today.  I don't agree with all of his stuff, but he is excellent in methods of reaching out in one on one encounters with lost people....and strong enough on the gospel and salvation.

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"Potato Chip" wasn't agreeing with Catholics.

Never said he was, and I"m sure he appreciates your desire to protect him.  I simply didn't want to talk about Catholicism, I'm talking about Christians who think God's grace is an excuse for promoting things like Looney Tunes or women with pants and short hair in the pulpit.

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I dunno lol.  Christian television.  I can't say enough about how that helped my decision along.  Asking me for money all the time telling me how I can make it big.  A lot of people like Ray Comfort some friends of mine have come across him or know him. To tell the the truth I like some of the IFB soulwinning youtubes.  I don't always agree with everything. But some of that soulwinning material is really good.  I thought about buying old Rays stuff at one time.  However being there with my soulwinning friends taught me a lot.  Chick Tracts is interesting.  There KJV only stuff is pretty good.  I'm not much for Christian entertainment big budget movies.  The youtube are good enough lots of stuff on there for free.  I stay away from all the conspiratorial things like the new world order.  Like its one big conspiracy Alex Jones things like that I ignore.  I don't know about any of that.  I figure sin is sin and well that includes witchcraft and all kinds of other sin.  There are witches, new age people, masons, gang people and everything else on the streets of the city I see enough of that.  I don't need to get fascinated with all of that.  Some people develop a fascination for all of that.  I see it as one soul or souls at a time.  I don't need to take on the whole world.   I just know the basics and if I have to talk about apologetics after I preach the good news well I may engage in a little light apologetics.  

I gave up on TV in about 2005 or so never looked back.  Watch a little news that's about it. It's sin filled and its disgusting to me anyway..

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I dunno lol.  Christian television.  I can't say enough about how that helped my decision along.  Asking me for money all the time telling me how I can make it big.  A lot of people like Ray Comfort some friends of mine have come across him or know him. To tell the the truth I like some of the IFB soulwinning youtubes.  I don't always agree with everything. But some of that soulwinning material is really good.  I thought about buying old Rays stuff at one time.  However being there with my soulwinning friends taught me a lot.  Chick Tracts is interesting.  There KJV only stuff is pretty good.  I'm not much for Christian entertainment big budget movies.  The youtube are good enough lots of stuff on there for free.  I stay away from all the conspiratorial things like the new world order.  Like its one big conspiracy Alex Jones things like that I ignore.  I don't know about any of that.  I figure sin is sin and well that includes witchcraft and all kinds of other sin.  There are witches, new age people, masons, gang people and everything else on the streets of the city I see enough of that.  I don't need to get fascinated with all of that.  Some people develop a fascination for all of that.  I see it as one soul or souls at a time.  I don't need to take on the whole world.   I just know the basics and if I have to talk about apologetics after I preach the good news well I may engage in a little light apologetics.  

I gave up on TV in about 2005 or so never looked back.  Watch a little news that's about it. It's sin filled and its disgusting to me anyway..

sounds pretty godly and not worldly to me.  Good to hear.

I dunno lol.  Christian television.  I can't say enough about how that helped my decision along.  Asking me for money all the time telling me how I can make it big.  A lot of people like Ray Comfort some friends of mine have come across him or know him. To tell the the truth I like some of the IFB soulwinning youtubes.  I don't always agree with everything. But some of that soulwinning material is really good.  I thought about buying old Rays stuff at one time.  However being there with my soulwinning friends taught me a lot.  Chick Tracts is interesting.  There KJV only stuff is pretty good.  I'm not much for Christian entertainment big budget movies.  The youtube are good enough lots of stuff on there for free.  I stay away from all the conspiratorial things like the new world order.  Like its one big conspiracy Alex Jones things like that I ignore.  I don't know about any of that.  I figure sin is sin and well that includes witchcraft and all kinds of other sin.  There are witches, new age people, masons, gang people and everything else on the streets of the city I see enough of that.  I don't need to get fascinated with all of that.  Some people develop a fascination for all of that.  I see it as one soul or souls at a time.  I don't need to take on the whole world.   I just know the basics and if I have to talk about apologetics after I preach the good news well I may engage in a little light apologetics.  

I gave up on TV in about 2005 or so never looked back.  Watch a little news that's about it. It's sin filled and its disgusting to me anyway..

I dedicated my computer to the Lord, so nothing except that which can equip me to better serve Him.  Sometimes I slip and become quite ungodly in competition when I wipe people off the chess board without asking them if they know their sins are forgiven and they are going to heaven, but usually I make the effort to try to get my opponent talking to see if they are or want to be saved from Hell. 

Comfort has a new video out, Evolution VS Faith or something like that....very good stuff as he interviews and witnesses to many average and highly educated atheists....excellent method of sowing seeds for the gospel, trying to win souls.  That stuff fires me up.

Most of the nitpicking on sites like this is wearisome.  Your replies here have been encouraging.

I dunno lol.  Christian television.  I can't say enough about how that helped my decision along.  Asking me for money all the time telling me how I can make it big.  A lot of people like Ray Comfort some friends of mine have come across him or know him. To tell the the truth I like some of the IFB soulwinning youtubes.  I don't always agree with everything. But some of that soulwinning material is really good.  I thought about buying old Rays stuff at one time.  However being there with my soulwinning friends taught me a lot.  Chick Tracts is interesting.  There KJV only stuff is pretty good.  I'm not much for Christian entertainment big budget movies.  The youtube are good enough lots of stuff on there for free.  I stay away from all the conspiratorial things like the new world order.  Like its one big conspiracy Alex Jones things like that I ignore.  I don't know about any of that.  I figure sin is sin and well that includes witchcraft and all kinds of other sin.  There are witches, new age people, masons, gang people and everything else on the streets of the city I see enough of that.  I don't need to get fascinated with all of that.  Some people develop a fascination for all of that.  I see it as one soul or souls at a time.  I don't need to take on the whole world.   I just know the basics and if I have to talk about apologetics after I preach the good news well I may engage in a little light apologetics.  

I gave up on TV in about 2005 or so never looked back.  Watch a little news that's about it. It's sin filled and its disgusting to me anyway..

I like learning about some of the conspiracies and watching the signs of the times showing God's judgment coming, and the world government rising as the Anti-Christ waits to take power after the church is raptured.....but only as novelties so I can use the basics of the ideas as tools for trying to tell people the Good News.  I don't get into that stuff too much...a lot of people get way too caught up into that, I know one sister who spends hours week after week trying to figure out exactly what country or group the Anti-Christ will rise from....she is a godly sister, I just think she could do better things with her time than that.

Now we're talking about living holy lives for the Lord, being separate from the world while in the world.  Holiness is a dividing line, and most Christians today have lost sight of it.

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I have some strong brothers I go street preaching with.  Strong in the Lord.  That really helps.  It's a life dedicated to The Kingdom of Heaven nothing else before God.  We get together and get out there 2 or 3 times a week sometimes for 4 to 8 hours or even more.  We soulwin together eat and fellowship together.  I'll admit I am really, really blessed.  Very thankful for what I have.  I have known these guys for years from soulwinning.  They too shun TV.  They don't go in for that kind of entertainment at all.  We go everywhere  from the gang areas to the trendy new age neighborhoods.  Events we possibly have Mexico coming to town for the soccer finals lol.  I am loaded down with spanish tracts for that one.  55k tickets have already been sold.  Try Fellowship tract league.  For a modest donation I think its $7.50c for a thousand tracts they ship you too.  Really nice tracts with the gospel.  I drop them off at drive thru windows.  Give them to people on the street at the store etc.  I just say can I give you something to read or here.  They mostly take it some say no thanks.  I go alone to when there is no one else to go with me.  Doesn't bother me.  I hand tracts out and talk with people sometimes for 4 hours.  It gets exhausting in the hot Georgia Sun.  But so satisfying.   

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You deem Bugs Bunny as godly?  you deem slapstick humor as godly?  I don't recall anything godly about The Three Stooges or Laurel and Hardy, do you?  I think the problem is that most Christians today do not know the difference between Godly and worldly.  Bugs Bunny is nothing but worldly at best, wicked and carnal at worst.  Jesus called his own disciples "evil", and you think Bugs Bunny is better?  Please.....tell me more of your false doctrine in support of Bugs Bunny and slapstick humor.

You know that's not what I meant. I think you are focusing on the wrong thing, that's all. And you probably have been told that before. I know people from my past that focused on the wrong things too, and they became 'hater' type of Christians, to where nothing is godly. Life is meant to be lived, not condemned. Where is the joy that the Lord gives us without being able to live? Laughing and humor is part of life for humans, and stick-in-the-mud type christianity sets standards for everyone else and shows no freedom of conscience for others. You sound like the kind of person that would condemn others without even batting an eye, thinking you are more spiritual than most Christians around, just because they waste a little more time than you do. Is there anything you like to do? Do you have children? Are you married? Do you not date your wife? Play with your children? Anything?

You are ungodly in wasting time if you do, according to your previous statements.

If you don't, you are wasting God's time for giving you a family, or children, or a job.

Don't try and preach contention to other brethren and condemn them for their choice of spending time doing life things.

That leads to nothing.

 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

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You know that's not what I meant. I think you are focusing on the wrong thing, that's all. And you probably have been told that before. I know people from my past that focused on the wrong things too, and they became 'hater' type of Christians, to where nothing is godly. Life is meant to be lived, not condemned. Where is the joy that the Lord gives us without being able to live? Laughing and humor is part of life for humans, and stick-in-the-mud type christianity sets standards for everyone else and shows no freedom of conscience for others. You sound like the kind of person that would condemn others without even batting an eye, thinking you are more spiritual than most Christians around, just because they waste a little more time than you do. Is there anything you like to do? Do you have children? Are you married? Do you not date your wife? Play with your children? Anything?

You are ungodly in wasting time if you do, according to your previous statements.

If you don't, you are wasting God's time for giving you a family, or children, or a job.

Don't try and preach contention to other brethren and condemn them for their choice of spending time doing life things.

That leads to nothing.

 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

take your stick in the mudd back to Bugs Bumny and see if Bugs will join you for your Bible study...I sure won't

You know that's not what I meant. I think you are focusing on the wrong thing, that's all. And you probably have been told that before. I know people from my past that focused on the wrong things too, and they became 'hater' type of Christians, to where nothing is godly. Life is meant to be lived, not condemned. Where is the joy that the Lord gives us without being able to live? Laughing and humor is part of life for humans, and stick-in-the-mud type christianity sets standards for everyone else and shows no freedom of conscience for others. You sound like the kind of person that would condemn others without even batting an eye, thinking you are more spiritual than most Christians around, just because they waste a little more time than you do. Is there anything you like to do? Do you have children? Are you married? Do you not date your wife? Play with your children? Anything?

You are ungodly in wasting time if you do, according to your previous statements.

If you don't, you are wasting God's time for giving you a family, or children, or a job.

Don't try and preach contention to other brethren and condemn them for their choice of spending time doing life things.

That leads to nothing.

 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

The Bible clearly teaches that time is not to be wasted at all, and you are trying to make excuses for wasting it.  Go talk to Bugs Bunny who you won't feel so insulting toward as you are insulting toward me.

sounds pretty godly and not worldly to me.  Good to hear.

I dedicated my computer to the Lord, so nothing except that which can equip me to better serve Him.  Sometimes I slip and become quite ungodly in competition when I wipe people off the chess board without asking them if they know their sins are forgiven and they are going to heaven, but usually I make the effort to try to get my opponent talking to see if they are or want to be saved from Hell. 

Comfort has a new video out, Evolution VS Faith or something like that....very good stuff as he interviews and witnesses to many average and highly educated atheists....excellent method of sowing seeds for the gospel, trying to win souls.  That stuff fires me up.

Most of the nitpicking on sites like this is wearisome.  Your replies here have been encouraging.

I like learning about some of the conspiracies and watching the signs of the times showing God's judgment coming, and the world government rising as the Anti-Christ waits to take power after the church is raptured.....but only as novelties so I can use the basics of the ideas as tools for trying to tell people the Good News.  I don't get into that stuff too much...a lot of people get way too caught up into that, I know one sister who spends hours week after week trying to figure out exactly what country or group the Anti-Christ will rise from....she is a godly sister, I just think she could do better things with her time than that.

Now we're talking about living holy lives for the Lord, being separate from the world while in the world.  Holiness is a dividing line, and most Christians today have lost sight of it.

I love Chick tracts, and they are endorsed by my Pastor who is strong KJB separatist IFB.....and my Pastor says Chick is a Protestant and not IFB....Chick could have fooled me on that, but I'll take my Pastor's word

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I'm not going to dispute.  However like I said for me a life lived for God is the best part of my life.  I won't say i don't enjoy other things.  But if I could camp downtown and preach the Gospel and hand out Bible tracts for the rest of my life I would happy.  If your married and have kids.  Kids are a really big deal my opinion.  I mean thats a great gift to raise children.  You want to be the best you can be.  Thats your ideal.  The best God wants.  Hey sometimes you have to relax not get in a hurry and be a little patient with your own soul that's holding you up from that.  Another words be patient with yourself.  Get mad when you lose the car keys in a hurry.  Oh did it again.  lol.  Patience.  For it is God who is working in you, enabling you both to desire and to work out His good purpose. 

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The Grace of God is the expression of His goodness toward the undeserving ,Grace means unmerited favor and can be expressed by the Acrostic Gods riches at Christ's expense,this grace is the basis of our salvation , men who deserve hell obtain heaven.every conversion in Scripture is and example of Gods Grace,man owes his salvation to Grace or undeserved divine favor.we need to remember that we are saved,given the Holy Spirit and allowed to serve God, by His Grace.

 

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I had a wise preacher once tell me when I was but a young pup, that if we wanted to avoid everything that the world has crept into, or that the Devil has his hands in, we need to empty our houses, step into the corner of a room, shut the door and sit and stare at the wall, because frankly the devil has gotten his dirty hands into everything. Every grocery store supports some wickedness, some, like Smiths, even being openly owned by false religions, thus, a portion going directly to their church, or to whatever wicked organizations they promote. You cannot escape it anymore. Turn on the computer to Youtube, you're going to get ads with your videos, and some of those things, if not all, are connected to some wickedness. Some of the people who make helpful videos are quite reprobate themselves, (they might even watch Bugs Bunny!)

My point being, we MUST, of necessity live in a wicked world among wicked people, do business with the wicked, and no matter how we try, some of our own hard-earned money WILL go to causes we deem evil. You can't completely escape it. Look at the Amish: they separate themselves into their own little communities, yet they shop at Walmart, which supports the Gay Pride parades. The idea is not to be overcome, not to purposely be a part of these things, while remembering it is to the wicked that we are sent. Jesus sat and ate with sinners, and was castigated for it, yet we know He didn't participate in their wickedness, but used it as an occasion to teach them about His Father and salvation. The goal, is to keep ourselves unaffected and untouched by the sin that surrounds us, to not become caught up in it, to live IN the world, without becoming a PART of the world. As for the Three Stooges, I think some Christians today could learn a lesson on how to dress from them-they dress better than your average Christian today. Though I wouldn't emulate their etiquette and behavior.

As for the OP, concerning grace, grace is simply God's unmerited favor that He gives us unto eternal life; once we are saved, it is that grace that continues to abound in us and keep us until the day of redemption. That's why the Bible says that where sin abounds, grace much more abounds: its not an excuse to sin, as some think, to continue to life worldly and in the flesh, rather it gives us the consolation that is we DO sin, that grace is still at work within us, keeping us saved, keeping that new man unspotted from sin, that we might be presented to the Father without spot or blemish.  grace is God's saving and keeping power in us.

Your right Ukule.  I don't do things deliberately its like walking thru a minefield though.  I bought some chili low and behold I read the company that makes it uses stem cell research to improve the taste of its product.  I really liked that chili to.   The only internet provider available  I need for business of course porn everywhere and on its TV channels.  The grocery store I go to which even covered magazines at the checkout counters at one point doesn't want to get sued so it has a gay policy now.  I can control what I watch though thats a good thing.  I could take it further when I am on the streets some of the women dress like prostitutes especially at concerts.  I guess it was the same for the apostles they encountered some of that.  Pepsi uses stem cell research for taste testing and thats pizza hut which i don't know what I am going to do with that.  Probably won't use it. Lays potato chips too which I buy all the time.  Take it further I shop at some of these stores that import chinese products which they pay their labor nothing I'm not to thrilled about that either.  

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I think the point Saintnow is making is being missed again. There is a thread a while back called replacement theology that discusses the same concept. You know the concept that satan makes us all miss all day, every day: He that loses his life in this world shall find it. Even the vast majority of IFB miss this concept completely. They get saved, THANK GOD, but then their discipleship is more along the lines of replacing all their past wasted time in what every lost and saved person knows is wickedness with a milder, less wicked versions of the same. OH, and don't forget to pray once a day and read a couple of lines out of your Bible and you will be living for the Lord - HA!. Porno replaced with the family channel or discovery and hollywood with pixar and disney. The exact same amount of personal time is wasted but since it does not SCREAM SATANIC, we think God approves.
Well, pilgrims, He don't approve.

I can only pray to get over this flesh and live it one day. The thing that I will never do is try to justify wasted time with statements like "God gave us this life to enjoy it while we are here" BALONY - I would ask someone to show me anywhere in the Word where Jesus says anything like this, but I already know it is not there.

The example of how believers are to live in is Acts but we still don't get it. They continued steadfastly in prayer and preaching daily. It doesn't mention entertainment outside of the church anywhere. It certainly would if we were allowed to write it though.

So pilgrims, we resemble the first century Christians when work, play, family time is completely centered around prayer, witnessing, serving and worshipping God. Everything else is of the world and is sin by and by. I have know a handful of believers over the years that would have fit in perfectly with the first century church. 99.9% are a hollow shell of those these days.

The same people keep clinging to their delusions of their replaced lives. If it is not of God, it is of the world period.

Live in the world, what choice you got - duh. Live for the world, that is a choice you got daily and most of us fail daily. We spend an hour in prayer and Bible study and 4-5 hours on the world's seemingly harmless entertainment. Sure guy, you are living for the Lord like that - NOT. Quit lying to yourselves.

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I have been having discussions with my wife of late on the life we lead. I married a woman with a farm. 80 acres, mostly sagebrush. We live in a donated single-wide mobile we moved out here, our power is off our solar, run by extension cords off the system, as the previous owner of the trailer had all the power hook-ups removed to recycle. No water, as the ancient pipes need to be replaced. Its not much fun, but livable.  We have a bunch of goats that cost us, just in alfalfa, better than $1200 per month, just about one of my paychecks. Of course, the plan is to get a bunch to auction, but currently all our vehicles are down and we are borrowing a truck until something gets fixed.

In over 30 years, 20 years of her own work, and ten with me, we have never made any sort of real, meaningful advances in our living situation. For quite a while we lived in the church parsonage, and paid rising utility bills, while also maintaining the farm.

On top of it, I work a full-time job and, of course, pastor the church. currently, due to her recent health issues, she is unemployed, and still weak, so I take care of a lot of the farm work. So, can anyone guess how much time I am able to give to the work of the church, not to mention anything else? Not much, between 10 hrs a day at my job, and seeing to the farm, repairing things, etc. We also have four large dogs, two of whom stay locked in a large pen, because, since our fenceline has never been finished due to finances, they roam too far and we can't trust them, so they just eat and poop and are nothing but a liability.

So, all this is really a big moneypit. We get essentially nothing out of it. If we have time and energy, we milk when they girls are in milk, (which of course then means more mouths to feed). Or we can slaughter, except our solar system can't yet handle a refrigerator to keep the meat, so we can't do that. So, my life is the farm, and little else.

The problem is, my wife cannot see it, not at all. She moved to the area years before she was saved, with a goal of being self-sufficient, off-grid. But since she came, she was never able to reach that goal, in 30+ years, not even with both of us working, when we did. And in that time, little progress has been made. And my argument with her in reconsidering her course is, when she got saved, did she ever stop and consider that the farm wasn't God's plan for her? Last night, I asked her, When you came here, unsaved, you wanted the farm, and she said, yeah. So I said, But since then, you were born again-and you have never even considered that, as a believer, this might not be God's plan for you? And she said, No. She just cannot even consider that it isn't. 30 years of abject failure, time and again, to build a farm, to actually BE self-sufficient, she just sees as Satan trying to discourage her. So I always counter, Well, Satan can only do what the Lord allows, so basically, God is the one discouraging you. If God really wanted you to succeed, don't you think He would have allowed it by now? And she gets mad and says I hate her farm and her and why don't I just get a divorce if I hate it so much-(we know how our ladies can be, amiright?) And I end up making no headway.   

The worst part is, I am NOT against a farm, but it just isn't working the way we are doing it, and it is keeping us from really serving the Lord as we should be. I asked her last night if there was some way we could compromise, keeping an aspect of the farm, but maybe having some civilization, as well, and of course, to her that means, dump everything and go live in a city somewhere-its all or nothing with her. And I understand-its a long-time dream for her. But where do you draw the line and say it isn't working this way?  My thought was, sell the goats, (for now), and maintain the chickens, rabbits, and turkeys and ducks, all of which we can eat and they produce eggs, but they don't have a high cost. The money we save on the goat feed, we use to build the fences and maybe buy a tractor. Then, in a year or two, when fences are all in place, we buy a few goats to begin the herd, but now we have fenced areas where they can roam and eat, saving us cost on their feed in the long-run. But no, she can't do that either.

Am I being mean? Unfeeling? I have even seen that her health gets worse and she gets depressed at not being able to care for her animals as she wants to, but to cut back enough to make it possible, is also untenable. Yes, I could just "be the MAN" and take control, but that would not go well, I suspect, especially since she bought the place, and she began it and worked it for 20 years before I came along. I just feel between a rock and a hard place.  And of course, where this fits with the op is, it is seriously interfering with my service to God, in the church and otherwise, because so much time, energy and money is being expended in the farm. She sees it as a potential ministry, should things get really bad, a place believers could come to live, and I get that, but if WE can't have some success in it, how can we help others?

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Well Ukulelemike if it were me i'd consider clearing part of that land and possibly turning part of it into a mobile home park.  There is infrustructure and a lot of other things to consider of course.  Northern California is where you live I guess.  I don't know the area at all just throwing that out there.  That would be interesting with solar you could even make the papers or get a big discount who knows lol.  Were messing with fence all the time posthole digger wire fence and of course posts.  Got a bunch of stuff growing to okra, corn squash.  I wouldn't necessarily consider owning 80 acres a drawback that's jut me though.  All kinds of interesting things commercial use.  Course the taxes on raw land are a drain.  Get something on there bringing in revenue if you can.  Like I say I don't know the area or particulars. 

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We are in NE California, all dry desert, sagebrush, coyotes and lizards and scorpions. We don't have the infrastructure to put in any money-making ventures like a mobile home park; our little town already has one and they can't fill their tiny park. I have thought about offering a corner to a local cellular company to put up a tower, as we have a clear open shot some 40 miles one way, maybe 20 the other way, and we have a small rise there as well. Mostly, of course, is getting the fencing up so the goats can wander and eat the various brushes we grow which would lower our alfalfa costs. We do have various plants, sagebrush, rabbit brush, bitter brush, desert peach, squaw tea and some others, and the goats love most of them, and they're very nutritious. Taxes aren't an issue due to prop 13, which keeps them from raising taxes on land unless there are upgrades, though none of our things will be considered as such. Also no one knows where we are, or cares right now.

We have a nice garden area, though not growing much right now due to my wife's recent health issues. Also need to clean up the area a bit so we can expand. Going to raise some fences on an unused area to build a turkey enclosure-can't let them roam because the dogs kill them. But I have an area big enough to raise a good dozen birds on, which we will use for eggs and meat. Also expand the rabbit and chicken areas. See, we could live off the birds and rabbits fairly well-we get roughly10-15 eggs each day right now, and are getting another ten young chickens soon-enough to eat eggs till they are coming out of our ears, AND give them away by the 18-pack, two or three per week. So that's sort of a successful ministry. Just those goats break the bank due to the price of alfalfa, as well as rice bran and other supplements for optimal health.

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We are in NE California, all dry desert, sagebrush, coyotes and lizards and scorpions. We don't have the infrastructure to put in any money-making ventures like a mobile home park; our little town already has one and they can't fill their tiny park. I have thought about offering a corner to a local cellular company to put up a tower, as we have a clear open shot some 40 miles one way, maybe 20 the other way, and we have a small rise there as well. Mostly, of course, is getting the fencing up so the goats can wander and eat the various brushes we grow which would lower our alfalfa costs. We do have various plants, sagebrush, rabbit brush, bitter brush, desert peach, squaw tea and some others, and the goats love most of them, and they're very nutritious. Taxes aren't an issue due to prop 13, which keeps them from raising taxes on land unless there are upgrades, though none of our things will be considered as such. Also no one knows where we are, or cares right now.

We have a nice garden area, though not growing much right now due to my wife's recent health issues. Also need to clean up the area a bit so we can expand. Going to raise some fences on an unused area to build a turkey enclosure-can't let them roam because the dogs kill them. But I have an area big enough to raise a good dozen birds on, which we will use for eggs and meat. Also expand the rabbit and chicken areas. See, we could live off the birds and rabbits fairly well-we get roughly10-15 eggs each day right now, and are getting another ten young chickens soon-enough to eat eggs till they are coming out of our ears, AND give them away by the 18-pack, two or three per week. So that's sort of a successful ministry. Just those goats break the bank due to the price of alfalfa, as well as rice bran and other supplements for optimal health.

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Yea a lot of churches put cell towers on their property.  Road access?  Another words roads near the property.  Looks kind of cool I have never even seen a desert in person.  I guess you could look on the internet for commercial use get it zoned if someone is interested or part of it.  Thats usually what they want first.  Then they can just setup.  If you take the trouble to do that with 80 acres that leaves a few different uses I guess. lol Ukulelemike if that didn't work I'd be out there looking for gold or minerals.   Those chickens are always hard at work we switched over to free range chickens.  

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