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      Psalms 119:1-8                                         Sep. 5 - Oct. 2, 2019
      1 ALEPH. Blessed are the undefiled in the way, who walk in the law of the LORD.
      2 Blessed are they that keep his testimonies, and that seek him with the whole heart.
      3 They also do no iniquity: they walk in his ways.
      4 Thou hast commanded us to keep thy precepts diligently.
      5 O that my ways were directed to keep thy statutes!
      6 Then shall I not be ashamed, when I have respect unto all thy commandments.
      7 I will praise thee with uprightness of heart, when I shall have learned thy righteous judgments.
      8 I will keep thy statutes: O forsake me not utterly.
      The following verse stood out to me...
      5 O that my ways were directed to keep thy statutes!
      At first glance it seemed to me this person’s soul is poured out with intense desire to have God’s direction in keeping His Word.
      I made a small wood fire in our backyard for my granddaughter, Julia, since she would be staying overnight with us. My wife and Julia stayed outside at the fire for about half an hour. Then, I found myself alone to watch the fire die out on a particularly lovely evening. So I took my verse from above and began to repeat it for memorization. As I repeated the verse, I tried to contemplate the words and apply them to what I was seeing around me. 
      The moon and stars were out now peering through the scattered clouds above.
      [Genesis 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. Genesis 1:17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, Genesis 1:18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.]
      Thought 1         
      The moon has stayed his course since the day God created him, also the stars, obeying the statutes directed by God from the first day they were created. Can you imagine God’s direction to the Moon and stars, “moon you will have a path through the sky above the earth, stars you will occupy the firmament above the moon and be clearly visible in the cloudless night sky.”
      Then, the trees, grass, even the air we breathe obey the statues God gave them from the beginning. None of these creations have souls, none have hearts, none have intelligence, but they all observe God’s statutes, His instructions for their limited time on earth.
      Thought 2
      What if we were like the moon, stars, trees, grass, or the other creations which have no soul? We would be directed to keep God’s statutes without choosing to keep them. This is not the image of God, there would be no dominion over other creatures, or over the earth. We would not be capable of experiencing the joy and peace of learning the love of God
      Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
      Philippians 4:7 And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.
      Thought 3 (October 2, 2019)
      Is the psalmist pleading God to force God’s statutes to become the man’s ways? No, he is speaking of his own failure in keeping God’s statutes and his desire to keep them, very much like Paul in Romans 7:14-25.
      God doesn’t work through force to turn men from their ways that they would desire His statutes or desire God Himself. Men must reject (repent) put aside his own ways and voluntarily seek God and His statutes.

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hey all, so i stumbled across an instagram post talking about Bro Knox. I dont know much about him? the comments were solid, can someone give me some insight into his theology? kinda stinks that there isnt much of him online I could find without buying his books or ordering mp3s, even his doctrine statement just refers to his books you need to buy... kinda uncool lol anyway. just wanted to ask yall.

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I have several of his commentaries and have watched some sermons on YouTube.  I believe he is solid.  The church he pastors has a strong emphasis on street preaching and reaching the lost.

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James W. Knox is solid...however, he does teach the Gap Theory/Fact (whatever they are calling it now).

Gap Theory/Fact teaches that there is a "gap" between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2

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James W. Knox is solid...however, he does teach the Gap Theory/Fact (whatever they are calling it now).

Gap Theory/Fact teaches that there is a "gap" between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2

......... Always something, well there goes that one. Thanks!

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......... Always something, well there goes that one. Thanks!

That's actually a good, broad point. No matter who the pastor, preacher or Christian in general, there will typically be "always something" which we disagree with, a view they hold which is (or seems to us to be) not in line with Scripture, they are too harsh in some way, too weak on certain points, may hold a slightly (or greatly) different end times view, may be too open minded on some unclear issue (such as some finer points regarding the end times), or in some cases have differing views or opinions on things not directly in Scripture (such as a point regarding sports or politics or science fiction), etc.

We are all human, we are all flawed, we all lack full understanding, we all have finite minds.

Some folks hop from church to church (or some refuse to attend church) because they can't find a perfect pastor (meaning one which holds to exactly the same views on every point they do).

This is just a general observation and has nothing directly to do with Knox or anyone here at OB. It just seemed like a good place to bring this up.

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Very true indeed :) Something I struggle with is searching for "just like me" pastors and I know its a bad habit. I suppose on the positive it keeps me just reading the Bible instead. lol.

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I would not throw him out because he believes in the Genesis Gap.  He does not teach evolution of any type.  His commentary on Genesis tells you what he believes and what scripture he uses to support those beliefs.  

I would at least listen to some sermons before making a decision.

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James Knox's message on Santa Claus is a must listen.  Best message on Santa Claus I've heard:

 

Thank you for the post, I would have liked to had this to give to some folks 15 years ago when I was attack by parents and two SB youth pastors for teaching the youth about this lie, there was a kind of battle between a SB youth pastor he had visited with me several times warning me not to try a take his youth for his church, I never was trying to, it was the youth for our church doing that, in the end God healed some of those harden hearts an we won some of the entertained SB youth to ministry whom later became disciples for our Lord Jesus.

I know that brother Knox supports the gap stuff ,I don't know much about it and don't really care to,but brother Knox is a very strong Pastor and soul winner I've seen some videos of his and think others should see or listen to your post before judging him on one thing they disagree with.

God bless Sister

 

 

 

 

 

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I know it's not right but I just can't. For me there are just deal breakers and genesis is one of them. Sent from my Passport using Tapatalk

I'm with you on this one because it reveals an enormous amount about what they believe about the Bible in general and what takes authoritative precedence. After a proper understanding of the Gospel/Salvation/Jesus, Genesis is my next big test issue when examining a pastor and/or church. If they compromise there, it shows that they allow something other than Scripture to be the final authority and it undermines their ability to uphold the full force of the Gospel message. because it all goes back to Gen 1-11.

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I would not throw him out because he believes in the Genesis Gap.  He does not teach evolution of any type.  His commentary on Genesis tells you what he believes and what scripture he uses to support those beliefs.  

I would at least listen to some sermons before making a decision.

The problem is that the Gap theory is not just a misunderstanding of creation history. It places death before sin, and by doing so contradicts God's statement of history (i.e. calls God a liar) and completely distorts redemption. Christ is our Kinsman-Redeemer. He was born a man so, being man, He could take our place. Why? Because by man came sin (and death). The Gap theory states that death existed before sin. If death existed before sin, then death is not the punishment for sin. If there is no punishment for sin, there is no need for a Redeemer. It just completely messes up everything that God says is so. Let God be true, and every man a liar.

1 Corinthians 15:21-22
 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

Romans 15:12-19Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come. But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many. And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification. For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.) Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

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I don't think you have a proper understand of Brother Knox's teaching on the Genesis Gap.  He does not teach evolution and he does not teach death before the sin of Adam and Eve.

From reading his commentary on Genesis I will attempt to summarize what he teaches. 

In Gen 1:1 The original Heaven and earth are created.

The reason for the earth being without form and void and covered in water are the after effects of the flood mentioned in 2 Peter 3 which not only flooded the earth but also the heavens.  2 Peter 3:7 says the heavens and earth that are now are not same as before.

His commentary says that what we read in Job 22 describes Satan(the mighty man) living on the earth, the earth being flooded, and consumed by fire.  He says that just because it says "men" it could be angels because angels are referred to as men in the bible.  

He says Satan's fall and sin would have therefore been before the creation of Adam.  

He does not dispute a literal 24 hour 7 day creation in what Gen1:5 and on.  

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Okay, so he has his own version of the Gap. Fair enough. Thank you for the clarification. :)

Occam's Razor states that the simplest explanation is likely to be the correct one. The Bible talks a lot about a flood - Noah's flood - which is the simplest and generally accepted explanation of what is referenced in 2 Peter 3. There are a couple of different ways to understand verse 7 without making up a whole 'nother flood. (And, seriously? A flood that encompasses the heavens?) The simpler explanation is that a) the heavens are different because the firmament of waters is no longer in place or b ) 'which are now' is a statement of current existence and not meant to imply a previous change. 

This fellow has an awful lot of imagination to try to make something fit that doesn't need to be there. I agree with Jordan - anyone who feels the need to play around with the simple reading of Genesis isn't worth listening to.

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The firmament is still in place.  I was taught that an "ice canopy" of some kind was the firmament that surrounded the earth and crashed during the flood.  I have no issue with a "canopy" of sorts because the earth was obviously very different before the flood just based off of life spans of humans.  I do have a problem with it being called the firmament though.

Genesis 1:14-17 says the sun moon and stars are in the firmament.  Obviously the sun, moon, and stars are not in the earth's atmosphere or anywhere near it.

Ezekiel 1 describes creatures that go up and are just under the firmament.  They hear a voice from above thefirmament.  Above the firmament is a throne with someone that had the likeness of a man sitting on it and it describes the throne area.  The description goes hand in hand with the description of the Third Heaven in Rev 4.  Which also mentions a crystal sea...

 

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Which is also why I've always rejected Scofield and his Bible.

It's amazing even among Fundamentalists how many believe in some form of a gap theory and how many promote those who believe such (even if they themselves don't believe it). Talk about a little leaven!

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Salyan is entirely correct.

All of the different Gap Theories are totally doctrnally incorrect. The twisting of 2 Peter 3:3-7 to fit the Gap theory is a blot, a shame, and a reproach on fundamentalism. 2 Peter 3:3-7 is a direct reference to the flood of Noah's day and not to anything else.

To say that Genesis 1:1 is a reference to the, Original  creation is very close to heretical. Please forgive me for saying this, but, your interpretation of Genesis 1:14-17 and Job 22 are not correct.

I have known about James Knox for some time and due to the Gap Theory I have not gotten involved with his ministry nor do I apporve of it. He is a good man in almost all other respects, but the Gap theory, and the false interpretation of Genesis 1:1, 2 Peter 3;3-7, Job 22, etc... by these Gap theorists is heretical.

As far as Job 22 goes that is what Brother Knox says in his commentary which I was trying to explain his position because I did not believe it was accurately understood what he taught.  Most people believe if you believe the gap then you teach evolution and that is false.

I don't know that I agree with what he teaches or not.  I just wanted what he taught to be accurately represented because I believe he does much good for the Lord.  If you disagree fine, to be honest I don't care if anyone agrees with him or not.

As far as my interpretation of the firmament and Gen 1:14-17 I'm not sure what is wrong with that.  It says a firmament will divide waters from waterswaters (Gen 1:6-7) and that the sun, moon, and stars are in the area between the earth and the firmament (second heaven).  If the firmament was or is a canopy surrounding the earth then the sun, moon, and stars would have to be in the atmosphere of the earth, which they are not.

Ezekiel 1 makes it clear that above the firmament is the abode of God.  There is a crystal sea there, so the firmament would divide water on earth from water in Heaven.

 

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John81,

You are correct. Scofield's note on Genesis 1:1 and 2,  (note 2 and 3), and his private, heretical, senseless, interpretation is a blot on his otherwise, for the most part, good references. If you read the notes carefully he brings out the Gap Theory  by his own private interpretation of Jeremiah 4:23-26 and Isaiah 24:1 and 45. It is a sad day in fundamentalism when otherwise good men bring out heretical doctrine.

Alan

Brethren,

I am not going to continue debating the merits of Pastor Knox and the Gap Theory. The Gap Theory has already been hashed out pretty good in previous threads on OnLine Baptist and I do not have the inclination to continue.

I have a very good personal friend (a couple) at Bro. Knox's Church (Bible Baptist Church, Deland, Florida), and, except for his Gap theory teachings, I respect Pastor Knox and his ministry. The only reason I even responded, briefly, to this thread is because of the Gap Theory issue. To me it is a doctrinal issue.

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John81,

You are correct. Scofield's note on Genesis 1:1 and 2,  (note 2 and 3), and his private, heretical, senseless, interpretation is a blot on his otherwise, for the most part, good references. If you read the notes carefully he brings out the Gap Theory  by his own private interpretation of Jeremiah 4:23-26 and Isaiah 24:1 and 45. It is a sad day in fundamentalism when otherwise good men bring out heretical doctrine.

Alan

Thank you brother for bringing this to my attention ,I'm now seeing this clearly as you have explained , though i have watched a few videos and listen to some audios of brother Knox I haven't had any concern for the gap theory and really don't know anything much about it other then I've never found such in Gods word, and if its not there I don't believe it. It is very sad indeed to see a good pastor bring out heretical doctrine , thank you , praying for brother Knox.

God bless

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