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LET US CUT THEM OFF FROM BEING A NATION

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Psalm 83:1-8, 13-18:  "Keep not thou silence, O God: hold not thy peace, and be not still, O God. 2 For, lo, THINE ENEMIES make a tumult: and they that hate thee have lifted up the head. 3 They have taken crafty counsel against thy people, and consulted against thy hidden ones. 4 THEY HAVE SAID, COME, AND LET US CUT THEM OFF FROM BEING A NATION; THAT THE NAME OF ISRAEL MAY BE NO MORE IN REMEMBRANCE.  5 For they have consulted together with one consent: they are confederate against thee: 6 The tabernacles of Edom, and the Ishmaelites; of Moab, and the Hagarenes7 Gebal, and Ammon, and Amalek; the Philistines with the inhabitants of Tyre8 Assur also is joined with them: they have holpen the children of Lot. Selah. ... 13 O my God, make them like a wheel; as the stubble before the wind.  14 As the fire burneth a wood, and as the flame setteth the mountains on fire;  15 So persecute them with thy tempest, and make them afraid with thy storm.  16 FILL THEIR FACES WITH SHAME; THAT THEY MAY SEEK THY NAME, O LORD.   17 Let them be confounded and troubled for ever; yea, let them be put to shame, and perish: 18 That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth."

In reality this Islamic war against Israel has been on going since 1948, but it can be generally broken down as follows:

1) The War for Independence (1948-1949).  

2) The Suez War (1956).

3) The Six Day War (June 1967). 

4) The Egyptian, Soviet, Jordanian War (September 1967 - August 1970).  

5) The Yom Kippur War (1973).

6) The 1st Lebanon War (1982).

7) The 2nd Lebanon War (2006)

8) The 1st Gaza War (2008–2009).  

9) The 2nd Gaza War (2014).

All of these, without exception, have been instigated by the Islamic nations around Israel.  In addition to all of these there have been numerous terrorist assaults against Israel.

The nations involved in the nine wars listed above include all the peoples indicated in Psalm 83:6-8.  Namely, Gaza (Philistines); Syria and Iraq (Assur; i.e. the present area of ISIS); Lebanon (Gebal, Tyre); Jordan (Ammon, the children of Lot [Deut. 2:19]; Edom; Moab); The "Hagarenes" and the "Ishmaelites" indicate Egypt (Hagar, Ishmael's mother, was Egyptian [Gen. 16:3, 17:23] and she married Ishmael to an Egyptian [Gen. 21:21]). Amalek was Esaus grandson from Edom (Gen. 36:8-9, 12, 15-16). The Amalekites were an extremely wicked (Deut. 25:17-19) nomadic people of the area from Mount Seir in modern Jordan (1 Chron. 4:42-43; Num. 24:18-20) to Mount Sinai (or Horeb) in modern Saudi Arabia (Ex. 17:6-16).  These are the belligerents of Psalm 83 and correspond to Israel's enemies since 1948.  There will likely be a final, Pre-Tribulation assault by these on Israel and a final answer to Asaph's prayer (Ps. 83:1, 13-18). 

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Thanks for your replies Brethren.

Matt 24 and the other gospel account basically follow on from Matthew 23.  So let us give a short summary.

Amongst all the woes pronounced on the scribes and pharisees we read.

Matt 23:29  Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous, 30  And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
31  Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
32  Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
33  Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

They filled up the measure of their fathers by putting to death the Lord of Glory.

Jesus continues

34 ¶  Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
35  That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.

The judgement for the crimes against Gods people from the beginning would  be exacted upon them as they had the scriptures to warn them but they ignored them in the greatest crime against the Lord God.
36  Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
Here we have two predictions on when this would happen upon you and All these things shall come upon this generation.

Jesus continues showing His love for them, 37  O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!  And then the judgement 38  Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

The disciples listening to this would know exactly what this meant as their house was desolated by the Babylonians.  In his Brief History of Jerusalem, Josephus mentions two desolations, the first by the Babylonians the second by the Romans.  

Jesus and the disciples left the temple and disciples were taken aback by the comment that the temple and Jerusalem would be left desolate. Wow, how could this be? Look at these great stones.  

Matthew 24:2  And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.  The desolation described.
3  And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? 
4 ¶  And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.

Mark tells us that it was Peter, James, John and Andrew who asked him privately,  Mark 13:4  Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign when all these things shall be fulfilled?  Matthew adds another question which was off topic as we would say on here.  

Jesus had already given and answer to the first question, "upon you and All these things shall come upon this generation."   He repeats it Matthew 24:34  Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. 

The sign: Luke 21;20 ¶  And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

In Matthew 24:36   Jesus answers the off topic question begining with the word "But" signifying a change of topic . But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. 37  But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.38  For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39  And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.



 


 

 

 

 

4 hours ago, JohnBaptistHenry@yahoo.com said:

LET US CUT THEM OFF FROM BEING A NATION

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Psalm 83:1-8, 13-18:  "Keep not thou silence, O God: hold not thy peace, and be not still, O God. 2 For, lo, THINE ENEMIES make a tumult: and they that hate thee have lifted up the head. 3 They have taken crafty counsel against thy people, and consulted against thy hidden ones. 4 THEY HAVE SAID, COME, AND LET US CUT THEM OFF FROM BEING A NATION; THAT THE NAME OF ISRAEL MAY BE NO MORE IN REMEMBRANCE.  5 For they have consulted together with one consent: they are confederate against thee: 6 The tabernacles of Edom, and the Ishmaelites; of Moab, and the Hagarenes7 Gebal, and Ammon, and Amalek; the Philistines with the inhabitants of Tyre8 Assur also is joined with them: they have holpen the children of Lot. Selah. ... 13 O my God, make them like a wheel; as the stubble before the wind.  14 As the fire burneth a wood, and as the flame setteth the mountains on fire;  15 So persecute them with thy tempest, and make them afraid with thy storm.  16 FILL THEIR FACES WITH SHAME; THAT THEY MAY SEEK THY NAME, O LORD.   17 Let them be confounded and troubled for ever; yea, let them be put to shame, and perish: 18 That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth."

In reality this Islamic war against Israel has been on going since 1948, but it can be generally broken down as follows:

1) The War for Independence (1948-1949).  

2) The Suez War (1956).

3) The Six Day War (June 1967). 

4) The Egyptian, Soviet, Jordanian War (September 1967 - August 1970).  

5) The Yom Kippur War (1973).

6) The 1st Lebanon War (1982).

7) The 2nd Lebanon War (2006)

8) The 1st Gaza War (2008–2009).  

9) The 2nd Gaza War (2014).

All of these, without exception, have been instigated by the Islamic nations around Israel.  In addition to all of these there have been numerous terrorist assaults against Israel.

The nations involved in the nine wars listed above include all the peoples indicated in Psalm 83:6-8.  Namely, Gaza (Philistines); Syria and Iraq (Assur; i.e. the present area of ISIS); Lebanon (Gebal, Tyre); Jordan (Ammon, the children of Lot [Deut. 2:19]; Edom; Moab); The "Hagarenes" and the "Ishmaelites" indicate Egypt (Hagar, Ishmael's mother, was Egyptian [Gen. 16:3, 17:23] and she married Ishmael to an Egyptian [Gen. 21:21]). Amalek was Esaus grandson from Edom (Gen. 36:8-9, 12, 15-16). The Amalekites were an extremely wicked (Deut. 25:17-19) nomadic people of the area from Mount Seir in modern Jordan (1 Chron. 4:42-43; Num. 24:18-20) to Mount Sinai (or Horeb) in modern Saudi Arabia (Ex. 17:6-16).  These are the belligerents of Psalm 83 and correspond to Israel's enemies since 1948.  There will likely be a final, Pre-Tribulation assault by these on Israel and a final answer to Asaph's prayer (Ps. 83:1, 13-18). 

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Not sure what any of that is to do with anything.

 

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Good luck with this subject David.

Many dates and events mentioned by believers of this 'sect' are not accurate according to things I have read in the past. And above all else, who really knows what the dates have to do with anything? Many times they say something happened on 'that day' but actually it occurred over many days, it just works better when you use a particular date to make it 'add up'. Cahn and his followers are using information that nobody on their side can verify, but they keep quoting them, hoping with repetition that people will take them as facts.

The above examples, wow!

And come on JBH, Daniel 12:4 says nothing about science?? It says knowledge!

4  But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

Here JBH - the type of knowlege -

9  And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.

10  Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

It's not about worldly knowledge of history and holidays like your stuff above, but about Godly wisdom that we shall understand. No feast days, no historical events.

We shall understand in time to come everything we have gone through - like being purified, and made white, and tried.

Cahn is, was, and always has shown to be focused on the wrong doctrines.

Also, ever look and see what version of the bible he uses? It's NOT KJB. It's NKJV - In the 3 most popular of his books.

Oops! Where does that leave you JBH? Why aren't you quoting from the bible he uses? BTW - It doesn't say Jehovah in Psalm 83:18 either and our Lord Jesus is said to be the "servant of God" where it should say "Son of God" in more than one verse.

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Act 1:6  When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? Act 1:7  And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power. 

All that study comes to nothing because Master Jesus said it wasn't for us to know the times or the seasons. I feel bad because that was lots of work. 

 

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8 hours ago, Genevanpreacher said:

Many dates and events mentioned by believers of this 'sect' are not accurate according to things I have read in the past. And above all else, who really knows what the dates have to do with anything? Many times they say something happened on 'that day' but actually it occurred over many days, it just works better when you use a particular date to make it 'add up'. Cahn and his followers are using information that nobody on their side can verify, but they keep quoting them, hoping with repetition that people will take them as facts.

My work on the subject of astronomical phenomena falling on the Biblical feast days come from my own research from 1) the word of God, 2) Hebrew calendars,  3) NASA's web site, and 4) historical research.  

There is no need to be dismayed at the signs of heaven.  God foretold of them and it cannot be denied that tetrads have occurred on Biblical feasts days, and that significant things have occurred during those periods.  

Again,  this is a Scripturally valid issue for serious study. 

1. Knowledge has increased, both Biblical and scientific, in these last days:

Daniel 12:4:  "But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased."

The 1993 American Heritage Dictionary defines "SCIENCE" as: "Knowledge, especially that gained through experience." 
And Webster's 1828 Dictionary says this: "SCIENCE, n.  [L. scientia, from scio, to know.] ... In a general sense, knowledge, or certain knowledge; the comprehension or understanding of truth or facts by the mind. …" (The NASA web site verifies that the tetrads did, in fact, fall on the feasts of the LORD, just as the USGS site verifies that earthquakes are increasing.)

2. The Almighty's purposes for the lights of the heaven is that they are for signs and seasons:

Genesis 1:14, 16:  "And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: ... And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also." (During the 1949/50 Tetrad the sign indicated the return of the fig tree.  The 1967/8 tetrad indicated Israel's regaining of their ancient Capitol, Jerusalem.  About the time if the last eclipse of the 2014/15 Tetrad the UN was voting and approving the Agenda 2030 world government plan, and further cursing Israel.  For the first time, on January 24, 2014, an Israeli government minister, Uri Ariel, "expressed his wish to see the construction of a Third Temple." This was between the Hanukkah [Dan. 8, Hag. 2:10-22, Jn. 10:22] Comet [ISON] and the 1st eclipse of this latest Tetrad.  The Israeli Sanhedrin has been making plans for it ever since.)

3. The Hebrew word for "seasons" in Genesis 1:14 above is also translated "set time," "feasts," etc.

Leviticus 23:4:  "These are the feasts [Hebrew: moade] of the LORD, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons [moade]." (cf. Lev. 23: 2, 37. 44; Ex. 13:10; Num. 9:2-3, 7, 13, 28:2; Deut. 16:6)

Exodus 23:15:  "Thou shalt keep the feast of unleavened bread: thou shalt eat unleavened bread seven days, as I commanded thee, in the time appointed [moade] of the month Abib; for in it thou camest out from Egypt ..."

Psalms 102:13:  "Thou shalt arise, and have mercy upon Zion: for the time to favour her, yea, the set time [moade], is come." (cf. Gen. 17:21, 21:2; Ex. 9:5; 1 Sam. 9:24, 13:8; 2 Sam. 20:5)

Psalms 104:19:  "He appointed the moon for seasons [moade]: the sun knoweth his going down." (cf. 1 Chron. 23:31; 2 Chron. 2:4, 8:13, 31:3; Ezra 3:5; Neh. 10:33; Isa. 1:14; Ezek. 45:17; Hos. 2:11, 10:33)

4. God foretold that there would be signs and wonders in the sun moon and stars "before" the day of the Lord.

Luke 21:10-11, 25, 28:  "Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:  And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and GREAT SIGNS SHALL THERE BE FROM HEAVEN. ... And THERE SHALL BE SIGNS IN THE SUN, AND IN THE MOON, AND IN THE STARS; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring. ... And WHEN THESE THINGS BEGIN TO COME TO PASS, THEN LOOK UP, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh."

Acts 2:19-21: "And I WILL SHEW WONDERS IN HEAVEN ABOVE, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke: THE SUN SHALL BE TURNED INTO DARKNESS, AND THE MOON INTO BLOOD, BEFORE that great and notable day of the lord come: And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved." (cf. Joel 2:30-31)

Conclusion:

Matthew 24:32-42:  "Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.  34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.  36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.  37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.  38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,  39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.  40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.  41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.  42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come." (cf. Matthew 24:43, 25:13)

Mark 13:28-37:  "Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When her branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is near:  29 So ye in like manner, when ye shall see these things come to pass, know that it is nigh, even at the doors.  30 Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done.  31 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.  32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.  33 Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is.  34 For the Son of man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch35 Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning:  36 Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping.  37 And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch."

Luke 21:28-36:  "And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh29 And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees30 When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand.  31 So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand.  32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled33 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.  34 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.  35 For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.  36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man." (cf. Genesis 6:3; Psalm 90:10)

 

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12 hours ago, JohnBaptistHenry@yahoo.com said:

My work on the subject of astronomical phenomena falling on the Biblical feast days come from my own research from 1) the word of God, 2) Hebrew calendars,  3) NASA's web site, and 4) historical research.  

There is no need to be dismayed at the signs of heaven.  God foretold of them and it cannot be denied that tetrads have occurred on Biblical feasts days, and that significant things have occurred during those periods.  

Again,  this is a Scripturally valid issue for serious study. 

1. Knowledge has increased, both Biblical and scientific, in these last days:

Daniel 12:4:  "But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased."

The 1993 American Heritage Dictionary defines "SCIENCE" as: "Knowledge, especially that gained through experience." 
And Webster's 1828 Dictionary says this: "SCIENCE, n.  [L. scientia, from scio, to know.] ... In a general sense, knowledge, or certain knowledge; the comprehension or understanding of truth or facts by the mind. …" (The NASA web site verifies that the tetrads did, in fact, fall on the feasts of the LORD, just as the USGS site verifies that earthquakes are increasing.)

2. The Almighty's purposes for the lights of the heaven is that they are for signs and seasons:

Genesis 1:14, 16:  "And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: ... And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also." (During the 1949/50 Tetrad the sign indicated the return of the fig tree.  The 1967/8 tetrad indicated Israel's regaining of their ancient Capitol, Jerusalem.  About the time if the last eclipse of the 2014/15 Tetrad the UN was voting and approving the Agenda 2030 world government plan, and further cursing Israel.  For the first time, on January 24, 2014, an Israeli government minister, Uri Ariel, "expressed his wish to see the construction of a Third Temple." This was between the Hanukkah [Dan. 8, Hag. 2:10-22, Jn. 10:22] Comet [ISON] and the 1st eclipse of this latest Tetrad.  The Israeli Sanhedrin has been making plans for it ever since.)

3. The Hebrew word for "seasons" in Genesis 1:14 above is also translated "set time," "feasts," etc.

Leviticus 23:4:  "These are the feasts [Hebrew: moade] of the LORD, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons [moade]." (cf. Lev. 23: 2, 37. 44; Ex. 13:10; Num. 9:2-3, 7, 13, 28:2; Deut. 16:6)

Exodus 23:15:  "Thou shalt keep the feast of unleavened bread: thou shalt eat unleavened bread seven days, as I commanded thee, in the time appointed [moade] of the month Abib; for in it thou camest out from Egypt ..."

Psalms 102:13:  "Thou shalt arise, and have mercy upon Zion: for the time to favour her, yea, the set time [moade], is come." (cf. Gen. 17:21, 21:2; Ex. 9:5; 1 Sam. 9:24, 13:8; 2 Sam. 20:5)

Psalms 104:19:  "He appointed the moon for seasons [moade]: the sun knoweth his going down." (cf. 1 Chron. 23:31; 2 Chron. 2:4, 8:13, 31:3; Ezra 3:5; Neh. 10:33; Isa. 1:14; Ezek. 45:17; Hos. 2:11, 10:33)

4. God foretold that there would be signs and wonders in the sun moon and stars "before" the day of the Lord.

Luke 21:10-11, 25, 28:  "Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:  And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and GREAT SIGNS SHALL THERE BE FROM HEAVEN. ... And THERE SHALL BE SIGNS IN THE SUN, AND IN THE MOON, AND IN THE STARS; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring. ... And WHEN THESE THINGS BEGIN TO COME TO PASS, THEN LOOK UP, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh."

Acts 2:19-21: "And I WILL SHEW WONDERS IN HEAVEN ABOVE, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke: THE SUN SHALL BE TURNED INTO DARKNESS, AND THE MOON INTO BLOOD, BEFORE that great and notable day of the lord come: And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved." (cf. Joel 2:30-31)

Conclusion:

Matthew 24:32-42:  "Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.  34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.  36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.  37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.  38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,  39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.  40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.  41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.  42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come." (cf. Matthew 24:43, 25:13)

Mark 13:28-37:  "Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When her branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is near:  29 So ye in like manner, when ye shall see these things come to pass, know that it is nigh, even at the doors.  30 Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done.  31 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.  32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.  33 Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is.  34 For the Son of man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch35 Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning:  36 Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping.  37 And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch."

Luke 21:28-36:  "And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh29 And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees30 When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand.  31 So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand.  32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled33 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.  34 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.  35 For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.  36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man." (cf. Genesis 6:3; Psalm 90:10)

 

This is interesting.

A couple of things though - are you saying that in Genesis when it talks about 'time' that it is talking about something else? Because that is what the Lord was saying. They are to show 'time'. Nothing else.

And also - are you saying that "moade" means 'time' ? - yes I think you are.

So how does 'time' get changed when compared to your references about 'signs' in the sun and moon and the stars? The signs have nothing to do with time, but destruction! What kind thinking are you perpetuating here? A mixture of sorts I think - because the fig tree has nothing to do with anything but an example of how to observe the times coming. 

Entertaining read though.

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17 hours ago, JohnBaptistHenry@yahoo.com said:

2) Hebrew calendars,

Why are all the dates in the Gregorian Calendar? 

17 hours ago, JohnBaptistHenry@yahoo.com said:

1) the word of God

Where does it say an eclipse will occur when Israelis reform a nation?

Do you think an eclipse occurred when Jesus died? 

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10 hours ago, Genevanpreacher said:

This is interesting.

A couple of things though - are you saying that in Genesis when it talks about 'time' that it is talking about something else? Because that is what the Lord was saying. They are to show 'time'. Nothing else.

And also - are you saying that "moade" means 'time' ? - yes I think you are.

So how does 'time' get changed when compared to your references about 'signs' in the sun and moon and the stars? The signs have nothing to do with time, but destruction! What kind thinking are you perpetuating here? A mixture of sorts I think - because the fig tree has nothing to do with anything but an example of how to observe the times coming. 

Entertaining read though.

SEASONS & SIGNS

SEASONS:

What I am doing is comparing Scripture with Scripture to define the meaning of "SEASONS" in Genesis 1:14 and Leviticus 23:4 and to show that the "lights in the firmament of the heaven" are for the purpose of giving the "time appointed" for "the feasts of the LORD ... in their seasons."  It can also be deduced from this that "moade" does not merely mean "time," but rather means "a time appointed" (Dan. 11:35, cf.  8:19, 11:27, 29) or "appointed times" (Jer. 8:7).  

Leviticus 23:4:  "These are the feasts [Hebrew: moade] of the LORD, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons [moade]." (cf. Lev. 23: 2, 37. 44; Ex. 13:10; Num. 9:2-3, 7, 13, 28:2; Deut. 16:6)

Exodus 23:15:  "Thou shalt keep the feast of unleavened bread: thou shalt eat unleavened bread seven days, as I commanded thee, in the time appointed [moade] of the month Abib; for in it thou camest out from Egypt ..."

Psalms 102:13:  "Thou shalt arise, and have mercy upon Zion: for the time to favour her, yea, the set time [moade], is come." (cf. Gen. 17:21, 21:2; Ex. 9:5; 1 Sam. 9:24, 13:8; 2 Sam. 20:5)

Psalms 104:19:  "He appointed the moon for seasons [moade]: the sun knoweth his going down." (cf. 1 Chron. 23:31; 2 Chron. 2:4, 8:13, 31:3; Ezra 3:5; Neh. 10:33; Isa. 1:14; Ezek. 45:17; Hos. 2:11, 10:33)

Genesis 1:14:  "And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons [moade], and for days, and years:"

SIGNS:

The Hebrew word translated "signs" in Genesis 1:14 is found in 77 verses of the Old Testament. It is also translated "mark" (Gen. 4:15), "token" (Gen 9:12-13, 17:11; Num. 17:10, et. al.), "ensign" (Num. 2:2; Ps. 74:4), and "miracle" (Num. 14:22; Deut. 11:3). These words help define the Hebrew word, owth.  But It is most often translated, sign or signs.  It can mean a man made banner or ensign, natural phenomenon such as a rainbow or eclipse, or it can mean miraculous signs (Ex. 4:8, 8:23; Isa. 7:14, et. al.). It is a signal, a distinguishing mark (i.e. circumcision), a warning, or proof of something (i.e. the virgin birth).  It is one thing that points to or signifies something else.

Genesis 9:13: "I do set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a token of a covenant between me and the earth."

Genesis 17:11: "And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you."

Exodus 7:3: "And I will harden Pharaoh’s heart, and multiply my signs and my wonders in the land of Egypt."

Exodus 12:13: "And the blood shall be to you for a token upon the houses where ye are: and when I see the blood, I will pass over you, and the plague shall not be upon you to destroy you, when I smite the land of Egypt."

Isaiah 7:14:  "Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel."

Jeremiah 10:2: "Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them." (cf. Ps. 65:8)

SIGNS IN THE FIRMAMENT OF THE HEAVEN:

God foretold that there would be signs and wonders in the sun moon and stars "before" the day of the Lord.

Luke 21:10-11, 25, 28: "Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:  And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and GREAT SIGNS SHALL THERE BE FROM HEAVEN. ... And THERE SHALL BE SIGNS IN THE SUN, AND IN THE MOON, AND IN THE STARS; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring. ... And WHEN THESE THINGS BEGIN TO COME TO PASS, THEN LOOK UP, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh."

Acts 2:19-21: "And I WILL SHEW WONDERS IN HEAVEN ABOVE, and SIGNS in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke: THE SUN SHALL BE TURNED INTO DARKNESS, AND THE MOON INTO BLOOD, BEFORE that great and notable day of the lord come: And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved." (cf. Joel 2:30-31)

The word of God makes it clear that there will be "signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars" "BEFORE that great and notable day of the lord come," and the Almighty has most certainly given these signs their "appointed times," and they fell upon "the feasts of the LORD ... in their seasons." during 3 significant periods for end time Israel (6 lunar eclipses when she became a nation that fell on the feasts of the LORD; a tetrad when she regained Jerusalem that fell on the feasts of the LORD; a comet making its closes point to the sun on Hanukkah [concerns the Temple] and a tetrad on the feasts of the LORD, with 2 solar eclipses on the Biblical new year [1 Nisan], and on the Feast of Trumpets.)

Hope this helps. 

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Am I seeing correctly - in the blue chart, (the 1000 years one), the kingdom started in 2000 AD?

So you are a date setter?

Were you also lead to believe 1988 was going to be the return of Christ?

Are you a Marvin Rosenthal fan?

(Besides the fact that no NT writer mentions anything about Israel becoming a nation again as important to end time events...what value is watching feast timing to Gentiles?)

None of his mumbo-jumbo happened.

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4 minutes ago, Genevanpreacher said:

Am I seeing correctly - in the blue chart, (the 1000 years one), the kingdom started in 2000 AD?

So you are a date setter?

Were you also lead to believe 1988 was going to be the return of Christ?

Are you a Marvin Rosenthal fan?

None of his mumbo-jumbo hapened.

And your 'end time' scenario won't either.

Wow! You come up with some wild off the wall ideas! 

Where did I set a date?  I have never set dates.  Not a Rosenthal fan.  Never studied anything of his.

Briefly my end time beliefs are Pre-Tribulation Rapture, and no one knows the day or hour (Matt. 24:36), but we do know the generation (Matt 24:32-34).  We are now in the last days.

I've been trying to show you simple truth, but you come up with nutty false accusations.

 

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4 hours ago, JohnBaptistHenry@yahoo.com said:

I've been trying to show you simple truth, but you come up with nutty false accusations.

 

JohnBaptistHenry,

All of your posts on this subject taken together, present a picture of anything but "simple truth". This is akin to those who have a "pet theory" and try to make everything they see fit into it.

As followers of Jesus we are not to be taken up or unduly concerned with "signs".  Mt 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:

Jesus pointed to what our focus should be on when he was asked for a "sign".  Mt 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

 1Co 1:22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom: 
 23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness; 
 24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

We, in the church age have been blessed with much scripture showing that the end is near and that we have a limited amount of time to attend to our primary task of preaching the Gospel to a lost and dying world. This is the reason that our Lord gave us scripture relating to end times; not that we should be focused on them, but to help us understand that time is short and the night comes, when no man can work.  Joh 9:4 I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work. 

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10 hours ago, MountainChristian said:

Why are all the dates in the Gregorian Calendar? 

Where does it say an eclipse will occur when Israelis reform a nation?

Do you think an eclipse occurred when Jesus died? 

Greetings,

The Gregorian Calendar is the most widely used and easily understood      calendar                        today. Hebrew calendars can be found at these links: Biblical Date Calendar, HebCal Conversion, Hebrew Date Converter .

The Bible did not say that there would be eclipses when Israel was reestablished as a nation.  It did, however, say there would be signs in heaven and they did coincide with Israel's founding.

Luke 21:10-11, 25, 29-32:  "Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:  11 And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven. ... 25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;  ... 29 And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree [cf. Hos. 9:10; Joel 1:2-7, 2:22-23], and all the trees [cf. Jud. 9:8-15];  30 When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand.  31 So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand.  32 Verily I say unto you, This generation [cf. Ps. 90:10; Gen. 6:3] shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled."

The darkness when the Lord Jesus was on the cross was not an eclipse, because Passover always occurs on the full moon so it could not have been between the Earth and the Sun.  It was a special miracle from God!  Neither was there a lunar eclipse in 30 AD when the Lord took Passover on the night before the crucifixion.

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17 minutes ago, Jim_Alaska said:

JohnBaptistHenry,

All of your posts on this subject taken together, present a picture of anything but "simple truth". This is akin to those who have a "pet theory" and try to make everything they see fit into it.

As followers of Jesus we are not to be taken up or unduly concerned with "signs".  Mt 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:

Jesus pointed to what our focus should be on when he was asked for a "sign".  Mt 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

 1Co 1:22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom: 
 23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness; 
 24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

We, in the church age have been blessed with much scripture showing that the end is near and that we have a limited amount of time to attend to our primary task of preaching the Gospel to a lost and dying world. This is the reason that our Lord gave us scripture relating to end times; not that we should be focused on them, but to help us understand that time is short and the night comes, when no man can work.  Joh 9:4 I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work. 

Jim,

Thank you for the not so warm welcome and the unwarranted dress down, Jim! 

We are in a Bible prophecy forum, are we not?  The tetrads and other astronomical  phenomenon falling on the feast days are Biblical prophecy and Biblical signs. 

You put me in a class with unbelievers and suggest that I am not interested in preaching the Gospel.

You need to get off of your high horse, my friend.  What wrong with you?  And you are a Moderator?!

And yes, this is a simple subject. 

John Henry

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3 hours ago, JohnBaptistHenry@yahoo.com said:

Jim,

Thank you for the not so warm welcome and the unwarranted dress down, Jim! 

We are in a Bible prophecy forum, are we not?  The tetrads and other astronomical  phenomenon falling on the feast days are Biblical prophecy and Biblical signs. 

You put me in a class with unbelievers and suggest that I am not interested in preaching the Gospel.

You need to get off of your high horse, my friend.  What wrong with you?  And you are a Moderator?!

And yes, this is a simple subject. 

John Henry

Well, I'm sure you won't like this ------ but --- Yes, he's a moderator and No, the attitude you appear to be displaying toward said moderator is not going to be tolerated.

 

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Mine was not a dress down John Henry. You spoke your opinion and I spoke mine. Nothing personal was meant, we just have differing opinions. When I posted my reply it was as a Christian Brother, not as a moderator that was reprimanding someone.

I did not put you in a class with unbelievers at all. I simply pointed out what we, as Christians should be concerned with and provided scripture as my argument.

If you were offended at my post I respectfully apologize, I meant no offense. I was simply stating my opinion on a subject you provided.

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