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So I have a question concerning Luke 21:20-24 and pre-trib Rapture view.

20)  And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.   21)  Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not then that are in the countries enter thereinto.  22)  For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.   23)  But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land; and wrath upon this people.  24)  And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the time of the Gentiles be fulfilled.      Luke 21:20-24 

So if verse 24 is speaking of the pre-told future how will the Jews from Jerusalem be led away captive in all nations for just a short time before Jesus coming to Rapture the Church?

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It did happen - in AD 70.

Yes I agree, but I know that IFB follow the Bible as closely as anybody else, and hoping to be corrected if i am wrong about this, it is probably the only reason i am not in their church, but that may be my mistake, because the Independent Baptist are very if not the strongest group I have seen at being witnessed to the World.  Which is the Great Commission given to the Church.

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Well, I certainly can't speak for all IFBs, but I view the prophecy as what I personally call a "progressive prophecy"...in other words, though all of it was future when the Lord spoke those words, some elements of the prophecy would happen at different times. What started the prophecy was the disciples admiration of the temple, and the Lord told them that not one stone would be left on top of another. That happened in 70 AD, as did other portions. However, there are parts of the prophecy that didn't happen in 70 AD; therefore, it (the entire prophecy) can't be attributed to 70 AD. When taking the prophecy as a whole (along with the other accounts of the prophecy in Matthew and Mark), the events recorded lead to the culmination of the Lord's return at the end of the great tribulation.

I would agree that the verse in question referred to the events of 70 AD, but I don't attribute 70 AD as being the fulfillment of everything recorded in the entire prophecy.

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Brethren,

Luke 21:20-24 is not, may I repeat, not, talking about 70 A.D. when Titus destroyed Jerusalem.

The Lord Jesus continued His discussion in Luke 21:25 38: none, may I repeat none, of the events of verse 25-38 took place at the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A. D.

The only reason why this is taught as a prophecy of the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A. D. is due to the unbelief in the literal fulfillment of the latter part of the teaching of the Lord Jesus in Luke 21:25-38 in the tribulation period. The seperation of Luke 21:20-24 from the rest of Luke 21:25-38 is a gross miss-application of scripture.

The belief that Luke 21:20-24 as a discourse of the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D. is definately not scriptural and the vast majority of independent Baptist pastors do not believe in this gross distortion of scripture.

 

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If we are talking only about the passage mentioned above (that is -- Luke 21:20-24), and not at all about the portion of the prophecy that continues thereafter (that is -- Luke 21:25-28), then I would agree that the reference therein to the destruction of Jerusalem is that of 70 AD by the armies of Rome.  Furthermore, I would contend that this portion of the prophecy (only Luke 21:20-24) extends from that destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD until the fulfillment of "the times of the Gentiles" (as stated at the end of Luke 21:24).  Finally, I would contend that this fulfillment of "the times of the Gentiles" is that which signals the timing for the remainder of the prophecy as presented in Luke 21:25-28 (which fits well with my understanding of Romans 11:25-27, as presented here, here, and here).

As such, I would agree with Brother Dan McWhorter ("No Nicolaitans") above, and would have to disagree on this one with Brother Alan above.

Edited by Pastor Scott Markle

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Brethren,

Permit me to respond.

I do heartily agree with Pastor Markle that a portion, a small portion, of this discourse was referring to the destruction of Jerusalem, including the Temple, in 70 A. D. Also, that the "times of the Gentiles," did indeed start at the destruction of the Jerusalem in 70 A. D. and fits into the proper understanding of Romans 11:25-27.

My initial response, and this response, is to more thoroughly answer 19DruggerFan initial question and to disprove the response by Covenanter

Covenanter stated, and is trying to prove, that Luke 21:20-24 is only referring to the the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D. and that the discourse of the Lord Jesus is therefore historical and not prophetical for the Jewish nation as described in the book of Revelation. This belief is in error. 

The following is in response to the initial question  and to disprove that Luke 21:20-24 is referring only to  the destruction of the Temple, and Jerusalem, in 70 A.D.

In verse 6 the Lord Jesus plainly states that the Temple then standing would be destroyed. The destruction of the Temple did occur in 70 A.D. That is an historical fact.

May I bring out five items.

1. Please remember, that the Lord Jesus is answering two questions that the disciples asked Him in verse 7.

    Question # 1. "... but when shall these things be." This was referring to the destruction of the Temple. And, as it was brought out by Brother Dan and Pastor Markle, only part of the passage, not all of the passage, was referring to the destruction of the Temple which did occur in 70 A. D. The teaching that this whole discourse in referring to question # 1 is not correct biblical exegesis.

    Question # 2.  "... and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass." The vast majority of the discourse of the Lord Jesus is in answer to this question.    

2. The context of the prophecy of Luke 21:20-24 is definutely correlated to Luke 21:25-38.  To take one portion out, Luke 21:20-24 and not relate it to Luke 21: 25-38, nor the previous section, Luke 21:8-19,  in my estimation, is taking Luke 21:20-14 out of context is not proper biblical exegesis. This improper biblical exegesis is taught to try and  prove that the destruction of Jerusalem in the book of Revelation is just historical and not prophetical. 

3. In Luke 21:22, the Lord Jesus plainly stated, "For these be the days of vengenance, that all things which are written be fulfilled."

This prophecy was not fulfilled in the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D. in any fashion. This prophecy of the Lord Jesus will be fulfilled in the events as described in the book of Revelation.

4. "... all things which are written be fulfilled." The destruction of Jerusalem, and the Temple, in 70 A.D. does not fulfill this prophecy of the Lord Jesus. All of the prophecies in the Old Testament were not fulfilled in the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A. D. But, all of the prophesies of the Old Testament prophets will be fulfilled, as recorded, in the book of Revelation.

5. If you carefully read the context of the whole teaching of the Lord Jesus in Luke 21 it seems obvious that the events in Luke 21:8-19 were not fulfulled.  The events the Lord Jesus spoke of in Luke 21:8-19 are to be literally fulfilled in the book of Revelation.

Thank you for your kind attention and consideration.

Alan

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19DuggarFan,

The companion passage of Luke 21:20-24 is found in the Olivet Discourse in Matthew 24. Although in Matthew 24 there are three questions asked. Therefore, there is more detailed information involved. 

And, you made the following statement, "So if verse 24 is speaking of the pre-told future how will the Jews from Jerusalem be led away captive in all nations for just a short time before Jesus coming to Rapture the Church?" The obvious answer is that the nation of Israel was not led away captive in all the nations for a short period of time. And, the rapture is still future. Luke 21:24, "... until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled." The times of the Gentiles being fulfilled occurs in the Book of Revelation; not in 70 A.D. as Covenanter stated. 

In my Revelation chapter 19-22 study I expounded on the subject of the Rapture in a few of the posts, and a couple of the pertinent passages in the Olivet Discourse, Matthew 24 & 25, a few times.  If you would like to further study this subject here is the link to the Revelation study: http://www.onlinebaptist.com/home/topic/23115-revelation-chapter-19-22-study/?page=1

I hope this information helps as you study the issue. Due to the Revelation thread being locked (for the time being), you cannot reply in that thread, but you may either reply in this thread or another thread if applicable, or start your own thread. Either way, it would be a blessing to discuss the future events of the scripture with you.

Alan

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19DuggarFan,

The companion passage of Luke 21:20-24 is found in the Olivet Discourse in Matthew 24. Although in Matthew 24 there are three questions asked. Therefore, there is more detailed information involved. 

And, you made the following statement, "So if verse 24 is speaking of the pre-told future how will the Jews from Jerusalem be led away captive in all nations for just a short time before Jesus coming to Rapture the Church?" The obvious answer is that the nation of Israel was not led away captive in all the nations for a short period of time. And, the rapture is still future. Luke 21:24, "... until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled." The times of the Gentiles being fulfilled occurs in the Book of Revelation; not in 70 A.D. as Covenanter stated. 

In my Revelation chapter 19-22 study I expounded on the subject of the Rapture in a few of the posts, and a couple of the pertinent passages in the Olivet Discourse, Matthew 24 & 25, a few times.  If you would like to further study this subject here is the link to the Revelation study: http://www.onlinebaptist.com/home/topic/23115-revelation-chapter-19-22-study/?page=1

I hope this information helps as you study the issue. Due to the Revelation thread being locked (for the time being), you cannot reply in that thread, but you may either reply in this thread or another thread if applicable, or start your own thread. Either way, it would be a blessing to discuss the future events of the scripture with you.

Alan

The times of the gentiles was to be fulfilled when the Jews returned to the land and when Gentile rule over the land ended.  I believe this began to be fulfilled in 1917 when Allenby led his horse into Jerusalem ending Ottoman rule over the city.

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The times of the gentiles was to be fulfilled when the Jews returned to the land and when Gentile rule over the land ended.  I believe this began to be fulfilled in 1917 when Allenby led his horse into Jerusalem ending Ottoman rule over the city.

How could that be when Gentiles were still ruling the land, including Jerusalem? Gentiles still rule much of the Promised Land and Gentiles continue to bear rule over Jerusalem even tho that city is now within modern Israel.

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Daniel 8:13,14 Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot? And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

You men believe this was fulfilled when Antiochus IV Epiphanes took over the temple? 1900+ years would element our current time, and you don't see this happening in the future? 

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How could that be when Gentiles were still ruling the land, including Jerusalem? Gentiles still rule much of the Promised Land and Gentiles continue to bear rule over Jerusalem even tho that city is now within modern Israel.

The ending was when the Jews returned to their own land.  There is nothing to stop all remaining Jews returning to Israel except comfort in their present home countries.  They are often entreated to return by the Israeli prime minister.

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The ending was when the Jews returned to their own land.  There is nothing to stop all remaining Jews returning to Israel except comfort in their present home countries.  They are often entreated to return by the Israeli prime minister.

The Jews are only on a very tiny portion of their own land. At this point even the land they are on isn't fully under their control and direction. Between American demands, UN dictates and other matters, Gentiles still hold rule directly or indirectly over the tiny slice of Israel the Jews have in their possession as well as the rest of the land not in their possession.

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So I have a question concerning Luke 21:20-24 and pre-trib Rapture view.

20)  And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.   21)  Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not then that are in the countries enter thereinto.  22)  For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.   23)  But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land; and wrath upon this people.  24)  And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the time of the Gentiles be fulfilled.      Luke 21:20-24 

So if verse 24 is speaking of the pre-told future how will the Jews from Jerusalem be led away captive in all nations for just a short time before Jesus coming to Rapture the Church?

It did happen - in AD 70.

What did Jesus mean when he said:

32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.

 

If we take the straightforward words of the Lord Jesus in the Olivet prophecy, we would expect them to relate specifically to the AD 70 destruction of Jerusalem & the temple. 

Luke 21:5 And as some spake of the temple, how it was adorned with goodly stones and gifts, he said, 6 As forthese things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down. 7 And they asked him, saying, Master, but when shall these things be? and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass?

The question is phrased differently in Matthew:

Mat. 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

Jesus proceeds to list lots of signs that are NOT signs of the prophecy - wars, famines, persecution, etc. Luke 21:8-19, Mat. 24:4-14  We can read of these in Acts. Then he gives signs they should recognise as the time to flee the doomed city: Luke 21:20-21  Mat. 24:15-18  

The destruction, & the fulfilment of the prophecies, will take place before the generation that rejected their Messiah would die out. Luke 21:32  Mat. 24:34 Hebrews emphasises that it will be within 40 years. Heb. 3:7-13 Psalm 95

There are difficulties in understanding many details of the Olivet prophecy as referring to the first century events, so many postpone the prophecy to the end of time - after the so-called pre-trib-rapture. It behooves us to study the prophecy with first century understanding to see whether we can reasonably understand it as referring to the destruction. 

Jesus does continue to speak of the passing away of heaven & earth, but gives no warning signs relating to that event we understand as the second coming for resurrection, judgement & the NH&NE wherein dwelleth righteousness

How can we interpret the Olivet prophecy details as first C event? What Scriptures do they relate to - both OT prophecy & the words of the Lord Jesus? I'll refer to Matthew, as interpretation is more challenging than Luke.

 20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: 21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.This obviously relates to the escape from Jerusalem, as there is nowhere on earth to run should we see supposed signs of the 'rapture.' It is reported that all believers escaped from Jerusalem when they saw the surrounding armies, but it is likely that some left in Jerusalem did repent & the tribulation was shortened for their sake. The tribulation was great because of its finality - the destruction of the temple created as the sign of God's presence with his people. Exo. 25:8 One third of the defenders survived Zec. 13:9 either by fleeing before the final siege or being taken captive. 

 23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. 24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. 25 Behold, I have told you before. 26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. 27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.Acts mentions several false Christs & rebellious leaders, who perished. Acts 5:34-39  Acts 21:38

V 27 is a possible problem as it implies a visible coming of the Son of man. But actually Jesus is saying any men who claim to be Christ are not - his coming will be unmistakable like lightning. 

 28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.Roman legions with their eagle standards - doubly abominations, as images & eagles. 

 29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.The sun & moon darkened at Calvary & showers of meteorites are common, & seen as portentous. Jesus warned of a coming to destroy those 'husbandmen' who rejected him. Mat. 21:40-41 He also warned of God sending his armies. Mat. 22:1-7 

Similar signs in the heavens were also prophesied concerning the fall of Babylon to the Medes. Isa. 13:1-17 

The Israelites in the wilderness knew the presence & leading of God by the pillar of cloud & pillar of fire. At the dedication of tabernacle & temple the cloud from God showed his presence. Exo. 40:34-38 Coming in the clouds refers to Dan. 7:13-14 - Jesus' ascension to his heavenly throne. When Jesus quoted that Scripture at his trial, he was condemned for blasphemy. But they would 'see' him veiled by clouds, vindicated, when his prophecy against them came true. 'Tribes' generally refers to the tribes of Israel, who would certainly mourn as their city & temple were destroyed.  

 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.The prophesied destruction will not hinder the progress of the Gospel, as the elect are called out & gathered. 


32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: 33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.History records that the believers fled Jerusalem according to their Lord's warning. Note that in Luke Jesus says: Behold the fig tree, and all the trees; not just the fig.

I'm sure I haven't explained everything to everyone's satisfaction, but I have given the basis for believing & understanding the words of Jesus. 


 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Matt 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:

18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.

 

"When you see ............"  If the Abomination of Desolation was in the temple then only those in the temple would have seen it.  Those on the housetops or in the field would not have seen it, which is why Luke explains it as

20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
Those on the housetops and in the field did see this.  Christians fled the city when Cestius in AD 66, surrounded Jerusalem with his armies.  They all saw this.
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No Nicolaitans,

Excellent bilbical exposition. You are entirely correct in your whole post. I am sure your analysis helped the brethren with their understanding of Luke 21:20-24 and Mark 14:13-19. Please keep up the good work.

Luke 21:10-11 will be seen beginning by the last generation according to Luke 21:28-32.

Eric,

Thank you very much for your insight and bringing out to us the only correct interpretation of Luke 21:32, "Verily I say unto you, this generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled."  The interpretation that this was fulfilled in trhe destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A. D. is entirely incorrect and misleading many saints astray in the proper understanding of Luke 21:20-24 and the future events that are written in the book of Revelation.

I would suggest to all of the brethren that is involved in this thread to sincerely study what No Nicolatians and Eric has brought out and accept the true facts.

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Matthew 24:15
When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

How could the armies that compassed Jerusalem fit into the holy place; how could all of them stand in the holy place? By scriptural definition, the "holy place" is...

1. At least...it's the temple.

2. At most...it is the holiest place; in which, the blood was sprinkled on the mercy seat.

I would assert that Luke is referring to the desolation of the city...not the abomination of desolation.

While I can somewhat understand your explanation concerning "when you see", we do live in a day and age; in which, modern technology can broadcast a specific incident (located at one place in the world) to the rest of the world so that they can see it. It's more than plausible that the Antichrist will use this technology to broadcast the proclamation that he is god...in the holy place...so the whole world will "see" it.

Mark 13:14
But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:

Again, in Mark we have a little more information. What is the one place where people were forbidden to enter? No one could enter the "holy place" other than the High Priest, and he could only enter it once a year.

Someone is going to do "something" in a "place" where they shouldn't be. I would assert that the "something" is one specific act (hence the use of the word "it" in Mark 13:14), and that "something" is the abomination of desolation; whereas, the Antichrist proclaims himself to be god. He will do this in the "place" where "he ought not" enter...the holy place.

To my knowledge, no such incident took place in 70 AD.

I know this has been discussed before, but notice what comes after Mark 13:14...specifically verse 19...

Mark 13:14-19
14   But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:
15   And let him that is on the housetop not go down into the house, neither enter therein, to take any thing out of his house:
16   And let him that is in the field not turn back again for to take up his garment.
17   But woe to them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
18   And pray ye that your flight be not in the winter.
19   For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be.

Was what happened to the Jews in 70 AD their worst affliction that has ever happened or will happen? I would say no. I know that some horrendous things happened as a result of 70 AD, but some would assert that Hitler imposed a worse affliction. Above that, we only know history (to a point). We have no idea (other than what God's word reveals) as to the affliction that the Jews will suffer in the future.

 

 

Mark 13:14
But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:

The Roman legion ought not have stood at Jerusalem  (let him that readeth understand,)  The Jewish Christians understood and fled.  Luke was not adding anything new to Jesus' teaching.  He was writing his gospel message after carefully questioning those who knew.  

  Luke 1:1 ¶  Forasmuch as many have taken in hand to set forth in order a declaration of those things which are most surely believed among us, 2  Even as they delivered them unto us, which from the beginning were eyewitnesses, and ministers of the word; 3  It seemed good to me also, having had perfect understanding of all things from the very first, to write unto thee in order, most excellent Theophilus, 4  That thou mightest know the certainty of those things, wherein thou hast been instructed.

Apart from that from Daniel 11 we understand that it was the Romans who were to place the abomination of desolation.

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Why?

They were there to desolate it.  

The Jews undoubtedly understood that because when Herod invited a Roman general to visit Jerusalem with his army, there was almost a rebellion then and there.  In the end, the general visited Herod but his army stayed away from Jerusalem 

 

Matthew 24:15
When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

How could the armies that compassed Jerusalem fit into the holy place; how could all of them stand in the holy place? By scriptural definition, the "holy place" is...

1. At least...it's the temple.

2. At most...it is the holiest place; in which, the blood was sprinkled on the mercy seat.

I would assert that Luke is referring to the desolation of the city...not the abomination of desolation.

While I can somewhat understand your explanation concerning "when you see", we do live in a day and age; in which, modern technology can broadcast a specific incident (located at one place in the world) to the rest of the world so that they can see it. It's more than plausible that the Antichrist will use this technology to broadcast the proclamation that he is god...in the holy place...so the whole world will "see" it.

Mark 13:14
But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:

Again, in Mark we have a little more information. What is the one place where people were forbidden to enter? No one could enter the "holy place" other than the High Priest, and he could only enter it once a year.

Someone is going to do "something" in a "place" where they shouldn't be. I would assert that the "something" is one specific act (hence the use of the word "it" in Mark 13:14), and that "something" is the abomination of desolation; whereas, the Antichrist proclaims himself to be god. He will do this in the "place" where "he ought not" enter...the holy place.

To my knowledge, no such incident took place in 70 AD.

I know this has been discussed before, but notice what comes after Mark 13:14...specifically verse 19...

Mark 13:14-19
14   But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:
15   And let him that is on the housetop not go down into the house, neither enter therein, to take any thing out of his house:
16   And let him that is in the field not turn back again for to take up his garment.
17   But woe to them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
18   And pray ye that your flight be not in the winter.
19   For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be.

Was what happened to the Jews in 70 AD their worst affliction that has ever happened or will happen? I would say no. I know that some horrendous things happened as a result of 70 AD, but some would assert that Hitler imposed a worse affliction. Above that, we only know history (to a point). We have no idea (other than what God's word reveals) as to the affliction that the Jews will suffer in the future.

 

.  And as He was sp      

We have discussed this many times before.  It does not say the worst, but such as, and there never was an affliction "such as." that as he was speaking  of the destruction within that generation, there can be no other explanation.

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They were there to desolate it.  

The Jews undoubtedly understood that because when Herod invited a Roman general to visit Jerusalem with his army, there was almost a rebellion then and there.  In the end, the general visited Herod but his army stayed away from Jerusalem 

We have discussed this many times before.  It does not say the worst, but such as, and there never was an affliction "such as." that as he was speaking  of the destruction within that generation, there can be no other explanation.

Okay. I appreciate you answering.

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Okay. I appreciate you answering.

Thanks.  I will try to go a bit further.

Matthew 24:15
When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophetstand in the holy place,(whoso readeth, let him understand:)

The Jewish Christians would have understood.  But I am sure they would not have understood it to be in the far future, they would have read Daniel and understood.

 Dan 11:28  Then shall he (Antiochus Epiphanes) return into his land with great riches; and his heart shall be against the holy covenant; and he shall do exploits, and return to his own land. 29  At the time appointed he shall return, and come toward the south; but it shall not be as the former, or as the latter. 30  For the ships of Chittim (Cyprus, The Roman fleet was based there.) shall come against him:  (Antiochus invaded Egypt, but the Roman fleet came and their general, whose name escapes me at the moment, met him and drew a line in the sand, and challenged him to step over it.)  therefore he shall be grieved, and return, and have indignation against the holy covenant: (this is when he sacrificed a hog on the altar) so shall he do; he shall even return, and have intelligence with them that forsake the holy covenant. 31  And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate. (They must refer to the Romans as Antiochus was not a "they" but a "he" )  Remember that THE abomination of desolation was still future when Jesus gave the prophecy.  THE, singular, there was only one.  So Luke quite rightly understands it as the Roman armies surrounding Jerusalem.

 

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