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Brethren,

We are currently studying the prophecies of the Old Testament that give us detailed information concerning the 1000 Year Reign of Christ, the Millenium, as depicted in Revelation 20:4-7.

All of your comments, thoughts, and questions are welcomed and appreciated. We will be studying 19 passages in the Old Testament that correlate with Revelation 20:4-7. These 19 passages (or lessons), are listed in my September 13, 2015 post in this thread. Each passage is considered one lesson for this study.

God bless all  of you.

Alan

September 7, 2016 update 

Salyan,

Thank you for the break on the Revelation chapter 19-22 study. We do appreciate the break in order to relfect on all that was written.

I am ready to continue the study. We can either continue on the last lesson, Revelation 22:16 & 17, or I can upload the next lesson, Revelation 22:18 and 19. I have no personal preferance.

Thank you.

Reagrds,

Alan

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looking forward to the study again. I'm in prayer that all will go well and many will be blessed.

Kindly thanking you brother Alan for taking of your time to share Gods Word with all of us whom hunger in our hearts for Gods Word.

God bless brother.

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Salyan,

I have just finished the lesson on Revelation 22: 20 & 21, "Surely I come quickly, your friend, Jesus." This is also the last lesson in the Revelation chapter 19-22 study.

If you would like for me to incorporate it into the previous lesson, Revelation 22:18 & 19, and then just have one last complete lesson, that is fine with me. As before, I have no personal preferance.

Regards,

Alan

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"In everything give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you." 1 Thessalonians 5:18

Salyan,

Thank you for allowing the posting of the final lesson in the Revelation Chapter 19-22 Study. I do appreciate it very much.

Moderators,

Thank you for your help involved in the moderating of the lessons in the Revelation studies.

Brethren,

Thank you (for the most part), for the fine discussions, ideas, spirit, questions, and thoughts brought out throughout the study. It is my hope that the study was a blessing to you as it was to me. During the discussions I learned quite a bit, the questions made me think a little bit harder,  and I appreciated the fellowship.

Alan

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John 81

I understand the question and am not sure how to answer. For the most part the discussions in the Revelation was beneficial and helpful to all concerned. But, due to the contentious spirit of just a few men (three unamed men at this juncture),they were able to derail the study for awhile until I was able to finish and allowed to upload the final lesson.   

You will notice in the last lesson, specifically, Revelation 22:18 & 19, that there is a severe warning to those who change: (1) any of the prophecies of the Book of Revelation, and; (2) any of the words of the book of Revelation and/or the scriptures. Both of these severe warnings would undoutedly cause some contentions on the thread due to individuals, in my opinion, violating these warnings, due to their changing of the doctrines contained in the Book of Revelation. And, that some of the brethren here on OnLine Baptist do not use the KJV in their churches but use the NASV or the NIV. Some of the brethren are not convinced that God did preserve His word. Maybe, just maybe, that was the reason for locking the thread.

The above are my own thoughts and I cannot speak for others: nor for the actions of the moderators. Nor do I want to debate, nor even discuss, the actions of the moderators. The actions of the moderators were appropriate.

If you, or any other of the brethren, would like to have a different thread to discuss the last lesson, or maybe ask your questions on this thread, and the moderators deem it ok, than I would happy to coninue the discussion. I did mention in the Revelation thread though (to Covenanter), that I would not debate, nor argue, in the Revelation thread, or in any other thread. I also mentioned to one of the other brethren that I normally will discuss a particular issue only twice; after the second time I drop the issue as it normally turns into an arugument after that.

HappyChristian and eswarden

Thank you for enjoying the last lesson on Revelation. I am glad it was a blessing to you and am encouraged by your, 'like.'

Any of the brethren have any thoughts on this matter?

Alan

 

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How are we supposed to discuss the final lesson if the thread is locked?

I was the one who unlocked the thread long enough for the brief conclusion to be posted. Other mods were aware of my action, it was not done behind their backs. The reason I re-locked was simple -- I did not originally lock it and am not going to leave it open thus countermanding another mod's decision. Doing so would have been rude to the mod and stepping out of place.

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I was the one who unlocked the thread long enough for the brief conclusion to be posted. Other mods were aware of my action, it was not done behind their backs. The reason I re-locked was simple -- I did not originally lock it and am not going to leave it open thus countermanding another mod's decision. Doing so would have been rude to the mod and stepping out of place.

Thank you, that makes sense.

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HappyChristian,

Thank you for your advice. I am sure that all of us appreciate it very much.

Brethren,

Right now I am at our new church computer in a different city from my personal computer. Unless I am re-directed by a moderator, in a little over three hours I will be able to start the new thread for comments, discussions, and questions concerning the Revelation thread; primarily the last lesson, Revelation 22:18-21. 

Alan

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John Young,

We appreciate you liking the study. If there are any particular comments that stand out and you think would be a blessing to the other readers, please comment on them. Part of this lesson will be to edify and encourage one another so that all of us can realize the blessing of eternity.

Alan

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A  book I recommend that shows how the modern versions take away, and change the meaning of verses is, "Look What's Missing"  by David W Daniels

 

you are correct,... A person who embraces or teaches false teaching is not in agreement with God, and is therefore, not walking with Him.

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A  book I recommend that shows how the modern versions take away, and change the meaning of verses is, "Look What's Missing"  by David W Daniels

 

you are correct,... A person who embraces or teaches false teaching is not in agreement with God, and is therefore, not walking with Him.

The book, "Look What's Missing," by David W. Daniels is an excellent book on the deceitfulness of these these modern versions. It is an easy to be understood book and written for the layman in mind. I would heartedly recommend it to all of the brethren. It is available by Chick Publications and if you go to the following link to Chick Publications you can browse through the book before you purchase it. http://www.chick.com/catalog/books/excerpts/1271_ex.asp

Standing Firm in Christ,

Thank you very much for bringing the book, "Look What's Missing," to our attention. We do appreciate it very much.

Alan

 

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Brethren,

I received a private message requesting discussing two items that I wrote about:

1. "The first three chapters are the history of 7 churches that John the Apostle knew about. These 7 churches represent the 7 different types of churches in the church Age and they represent the 7 different ages of the Church Age."

I did not go into any detail concerning this comment as it did not pertain to main points of Revelation 21:18-21. The above statement is a very broad statement and is not considered doctrine in any sense of the word. So, there is much differences of opinion within the independent Baptist ranks.  I purposely did not explain myself very much. If any of the brethren want to expound on this statement, comment on it, or let my know why they would not say such a thing, and you feel it is worthwhile to discuss the issue, than please do so.

2.  “And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.”

The false prophets, false ministers, false teachers, and the translators of these false bibles, are to receive the harshest punishments possible. These punishments are plainly listed and need little comment.

  1. The plagues written in the Book of Revelation will be increased.

  2. They will not be able to partake of the Tree of Life.

  3. They will not be able to partake of the Water of Life.

  4. They will not be able to Reign with Christ in His 1000 Year Reign. Revelation 20:4-6

  5. They will not be with God on the earth for eternity. Revelation 21:3

2 Peter 2:9, “The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished.”

 

The above statement could you some clarification.

Evidently, there are some people who use the above verses to prove, or insinuate, that a person could lose their salvation due to the above sin of, "adding or taking away," from God's word.

The scriptures are very clear. Once a person is saved, that person is eternally secure in Christ Jesus. In the scriptures, when God says we have, everlasting life," that is exactly what He means. A saved person cannot lose his/her salvation and is "sealed" by the Holy Spirit the moment of salvation until the redemption of the body when Jesus comes. Ephesians 4:30, "And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed until the day of redemption." 

I also want to remind the reader what I previously wrote in Psalm 12:6-8, “The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever. The wicked walk on every side, when the vilest men are exalted.” In the sight of God, the translators who tamper the written scriptures are, "wicked," and "vile." They are not saved nor where they ever saved. "The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God." Psalm 9:17

Rebecca said something in the Laodicea thread that is applicable to these translators (false prophets):

Of course Alan believes the Bible is our final authority! It's quite obvious by the context that the sentence is talking about the churches today who disregard God's Word, it is not their final authority. Alan is correct, in this day and age more and more churches are laying aside the Bible in favor of books written by man. Once upon a time, the Bible was revered, it was considered holy, and it was treated as such by those in the churches throughout the world. But, in this day and age the Bible is offensive even to some of those in the church so they disregard it or change it to suit their warped beliefs. If the churches truly loved the Word of God, there would not be so many perverted bibles on the market today, the people of God would be too terrified to change God's holy words. But they're not scared, not even a tad bit worried. And that's because they don't believe the Bible is the very Word of God, to them it's just a book.

These translators have no fear of God nor of the Judgment of God.

2 Peter chapter 2 is primarily a chapter about false prophets. Please also note that in the last statement I quoted 2 Peter 2:9 “The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished.” God, through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, told us that the false prophets are, "unjust." They are not, "justified," they are unjust and still in their sins. The false prophets were never saved; just like the multitude of false prophets in our age. They say they are saved and know how to talk like a Christian but in the sight of God they are, "unjust."

In conclusion, I also previously mentioned one of the root causes of the problem with these translators (false prophets), is that they lack spiritual discernment. Like the Mormons and the J.W.'s they are the blind leading the blind. Matthew 15:10-14; 1 Corinthians 2:14; 1 John 4:1 and Romans 8:9, "But ye are not in the flesh, but in the spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his."

I hope that I clarified my position. If there are any of the brethren who would like to add their own comments than please do so.

Alan

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Rebecca said something in the Laodicea thread that is applicable to these translators (false prophets):

These translators have no fear of God nor of the Judgment of God.

2 Peter chapter 2 is primarily a chapter about false prophets. Please also note that in the last statement I quoted 2 Peter 2:9 “The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished.” God, through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, told us that the false prophets are, "unjust." They are not, "justified," they are unjust and still in their sins. The false prophets were never saved; just like the multitude of false prophets in our age. They say they are saved and know how to talk like a Christian but in the sight of God they are, "unjust."

In conclusion, I also previously mentioned one of the root causes of the problem with these translators (false prophets), is that they lack spiritual discernment. Like the Mormons and the J.W.'s they are the blind leading the blind. Matthew 15:10-14; 1 Corinthians 2:14; 1 John 4:1 and Romans 8:9, "But ye are not in the flesh, but in the spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his."

I hope that I clarified my position. If there are any of the brethren who would like to add their own comments than please do so.

Alan

The truths of scripture are spiritually discerned. I highly suspect that many of these "scholars" are working from a head-knowledge only of scripture.  Whenever man uses human reasoning to understand and explain the things of God, it will be perverted, hence the reason there are so many cults. 

Mat_7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

There is coming a day when many deceived people who thought they were serving God will realize they were never in the fold. I suspect that is where those penalties will come into play. 

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Genevanpreacher,

I asked the following questions in my Revelation chapter 19-22 Study, lesson number 3, Millennial Reign of Christ, Revelation 20:3-6 lesson that you, nor Covenanter, nor Invicta refuted, denied, or even questioned. All of the following verses are literal prophecies that will be literally fulfilled in Revelation 20:3-6. Some of the references have been updated to reflect the current issues involved.

All of the verses listed below are literal promises yet to be fulfilled. None of them has been fulfilled as of this date. They were not fulfilled after the Babylonian captivity, the Resurrection of Christ, 70 A.D., at no time either literally or symbolically fulfilled in the church Age, and none of them is given to the church in any fashion.

 

Lesson # 1: Isaiah 9:6 tells us there will be no end to the Kingdom. The Kingdom will continue throughout eternity.

Lesson # 2: Isaiah chapter 11 the animal kingdom will be changed among other physical blessings.

Lesson # 3: Isaiah 24:23 After the horrific happenings listed in Isaiah 24:1-22 the, “... LORD of hosts shall reign in Mt Zion, and in Jerusalem, and before his ancients gloriously.”

Lesson # 4: Isaiah chapter 35 tells us of the great physical blessings in the Millennium.

Lesson # 5: Isaiah 30:18-26 Please look carefully at verse 20, 21, and 26. None of these has been fulfilled yet.

Lesson # 6: Isaiah chapter 60 tells us that the Lord will not only restore the nation of Israel but He will glorify the nation of Israel. Isaiah 60:12, “For the nation and kingdom that will not serve thee shall perish; yes, those nations shall be utterly wasted.” May I at this juncture remind the Saved Gentiles that the church did not, ‘replace,’ Israel, but the Saved Gentiles are, ‘grafted,’ into the nation of Israel. Romans 11

Lesson # 7: Isaiah 65:17-25 tells us of the increase of longevity and, ‘... the wolf and the lamb shall feed together...’ see also Zechariah 8:1-8

Lesson # 8: Ezekiel chapter 47 tells us further great physical changes and blessings.

Lesson # 9: Hosea 3:5 David will be King over Israel.

Lesson # 10: Micah 4:1-7 tells us all nations will come to the Millennial Temple.

Lesson # 11: Zechariah chapter 3 the LORD will take away the filthy garments of the Joshua the High priest in order to serve, ‘... my servant the BRANCH.’ The, BRANCH,’ is the Lord Jesus as KING.

Lesson # 12: Zechariah 8:21-23 tells us of the restoration of the Jew to international prominence.

Lesson # 13: Zechariah 9:10 tells us how far the dominion will cover.

Lesson # 14: Zechariah 12:9-14 tell how the Jews will mourn for the previous unbelief.

Lesson # 15: Zechariah chapter 14:4-11 and 16-21 tells us of changes of the land and the nations.

Lesson # 16: Joel 3:18; 2:24-26

Lesson # 17: Amos 9:13

Lesson # 18: Isaiah 55:12 & 13

Lesson # 19: Psalm 67:6

 

Alan

 

Note: In order to make sure we all know which lesson we are on, on August 4, 2016, I added the Lesson #'s: highlighted in blue.

Alan

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"symbolicly" to "symbolically" "have" to "has" (2 times) "are' to "is" a.d. to A.D.On August 4, 2016 I added the Lesson #'s in blue

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On ‎2015‎年‎9‎月‎13‎日 at 8:06 PM, Alan said:

Genevanpreacher,

I asked the following questions in my Revelation chapter 19-22 Study, lesson number 3, Millennial Reign of Christ, Revelation 20:3-6 lesson that you, nor Covenanter, nor Invicta refuted, denied, or even questioned. All of the following verses are literal prophecies that will be literally fulfilled in Revelation 20:3-6. Some of the references have been updated to reflect the current issues involved.

All of the verses listed below are literal promises yet to be fulfilled. None of them have been fulfilled as of this date. They were not fulfilled after the Babylonian captivity, the Resurrection of Christ, 70 a.d., at no time either literally or symbolicly fulfilled in the church Age, and none of them are given to the church in any fashion.

Isaiah 9:6 tells us there will be no end to the Kingdom. The Kingdom will continue throughout eternity.

Isaiah chapter 11 the animal kingdom will be changed among other physical blessings.

Isaiah 24:23 After the horrific happenings listed in Isaiah 24:1-22 the, “... LORD of hosts shall reign in Mt Zion, and in Jerusalem, and before his ancients gloriously.”

Isaiah chapter 35 tells us of the great physical blessings in the Millennium.

Isaiah 30:18-26 Please look carefully at verse 20, 21, and 26. None of these have been fulfilled yet.

Isaiah chapter 60 tells us that the Lord will not only restore the nation of Israel but He will glorify the nation of Israel. Isaiah 60:12, “For the nation and kingdom that will not serve thee shall perish; yes, those nations shall be utterly wasted.” May I at this juncture remind the Saved Gentiles that the church did not, ‘replace,’ Israel, but the Saved Gentiles are, ‘grafted,’ into the nation of Israel. Romans 11

Isaiah 65:17-25 tells us of the increase of longevity and, ‘... the wolf and the lamb shall feed together...’ see also Zechariah 8:1-8

Ezekiel chapter 47 tells us further great physical changes and blessings.

Hosea 3:5 David will be King over Israel.

Micah 4:1-7 tells us all nations will come to the Millennial Temple.

Zechariah chapter 3 the LORD will take away the filthy garments of the Joshua the High priest in order to serve, ‘... my servant the BRANCH.’ The, BRANCH,’ is the Lord Jesus as KING.

Zechariah 8:21-23 tells us of the restoration of the Jew to international prominence.

Zechariah 9:10 tells us how far the dominion will cover.

Zechariah 12:9-14 tell how the Jews will mourn for the previous unbelief.

Zechariah chapter 14:4-11 and 16-21 tells us of changes of the land and the nations.

Joel 3:18; 2:24-26

Amos 9:13

Isaiah 55:12 & 13

Psalm 67:6

 

Alan

Brethren,

Quite a bit of time has elasped since I posted the aforementioned prophetic promises given to the nation of Israel by the Old Testament prophets that will be literally fulfilled during the literal 1000 year of Christ as revealed in Revelation 20:3-6.

None of the above promises given to Israel have been  fulfilled yet in any manner nor has been, 'disannulled,' by anything written in the New Testament. "And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect." Galatians 3:17

Since none of the aforementioned brethren have not been able to refute the above promises, and after waiting since September 13, 2015, I have concluded that they (minus Covenanter; although he could have responded before he was banned a second time), are either unwilling, or unable, to refute the truthfulness of the above promises.

Therefore, as I am still waiting,  :bored:  I thought a nice relaxing song would help us pass the time. Hope you enjoy the song, by the Cleveland Baptist Church, "Jesus is coming Again."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hrwh6hsdXuk

God bless!

Alan

 

 

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Thank you, brother Alan for the hymn "Jesus is coming again".   I especially like the stanza: 

"May be morning, may be noon,
May be evening and may be soon!"

:amen:

What a wonderful comfort the blessed hope is! I am so blessed to have brothers and sisters in Christ who speak often about this as we wait in eager anticipation for Jesus.  I never tire of reciting Titus 2:13 "Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ". Never tire of the assurance that Jesus has delivered us from the wrath to come and we are told to wait for Him in 1 Thes. 1:10 "And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come". 

I can fully understand how we groan within ourselves waiting for the rapture and the receiving of our incorruptible glorified bodies which will be as His own (1 John 3:2)!!! I will be so glad to shed this corruptible evil body wherein dwelled sin. I know we can't fully (or even partially) comprehend how wonderful it will be to reside in bodies without any sin nature at all...(1 Cor. 2:9, 1 Cor. 13:12), but I do love to try to contemplate how glorious it will be.

Romans 8:23 "And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body."   I believe the Holy Spirit has put within us that fervent desire to be shed of these bodies born in sin, and the strong desire to be with Jesus... even to be in His perfect holy presence... the one who loves us so much that He willingly took our sins upon Himself (and He Himself never sinned)... what an incomparable gift. It's so hard to comprehend why anyone wouldn't want to accept Jesus! I so long to be in His presence, in an acceptable, sinless, glorified, incorruptible body. And because Jesus' righteousness was imputed upon us when we accepted and believed upon Him, we will spend eternity with the Lord!!! 

God's word tells us in 1 Thes 4:18 to "comfort one another with these words" (and what a true comfort it is!): verses 16-17: "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.".

More comfort is found in 1 Cor. 15:51-53 "51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality."

My own thoughts on this is that it is the devil is who attacks the pre-trib rapture, he causes some to doubt, and steal the comfort of these verses. It's clear to me that God told us to "comfort one another" with these words for a very good reason. One could find no comfort in going through the tribulation. What would be comforting about that? The tribulation has two-fold purpose: the wrath of God on an evil and UNBELIEVING world.(2 Thes. 2:10-12, Rev. 6:16-17 et al). And the time of Jacob's (Israel) trouble, to bring 1/3 through to the end to belief in Christ as their Messiah! (Jer. 30:7, Zech 13:9, Zech 12:10, et al). We (saved during the age of grace) would serve no purpose during the tribulation.    I also have to disagree with those who claim a "post-trib" or "mid-trib" position even, because when Jesus (the lamb) is the one breaking the seals Himself (as only He is worthy to do)... it IS the wrath of the Lamb, the wrath of God... and the Bible clearly does not support a believer in the age of grace going through the wrath of God! Yes we will have trials and tribulation during our lifetimes (and I can attest to that!) We can go through mankind's wrathful things as well. But we are NOT appointed to God's wrath! (1 Thes. 5:9, 1 Thes. 1:10, et al). So with that quick summary, I again offer comfort (as we are told to comfort one another) in the soon rapture, the glorious appearing of the great God and our savior Jesus! The blessed hope! Soon... I believe VERY soon we will meet our precious and wonderful Lord Jesus in the air!  Maranatha! :clap:

P.S. Please forgive my long post.... I LOVE to think about, dwell upon, rest assured in, and comfort other with the blessed hope in Jesus :bible:

 

 

 

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Amen! I agree, and find comfort, with every word. :thumb:

4 hours ago, Ronda said:

My own thoughts on this is that it is the devil is who attacks the pre-trib rapture, he causes some to doubt, and steal the comfort of these verses. It's clear to me that God told us to "comfort one another" with these words for a very good reason. One could find no comfort in going through the tribulation. What would be comforting about that? The tribulation has two-fold purpose: the wrath of God on an evil and UNBELIEVING world.(2 Thes. 2:10-12, Rev. 6:16-17 et al). And the time of Jacob's (Israel) trouble, to bring 1/3 through to the end to belief in Christ as their Messiah! (Jer. 30:7Zech 13:9, Zech 12:10, et al). We (saved during the age of grace) would serve no purpose during the tribulation.    I also have to disagree with those who claim a "post-trib" or "mid-trib" position even, because when Jesus (the lamb) is the one breaking the seals Himself (as only He is worthy to do)... it IS the wrath of the Lamb, the wrath of God... and the Bible clearly does not support a believer in the age of grace going through the wrath of God! Yes we will have trials and tribulation during our lifetimes (and I can attest to that!) We can go through mankind's wrathful things as well. But we are NOT appointed to God's wrath! (1 Thes. 5:9, 1 Thes. 1:10, et al). So with that quick summary, I again offer comfort (as we are told to comfort one another) in the soon rapture, the glorious appearing of the great God and our savior Jesus! The blessed hope! Soon... I believe VERY soon we will meet our precious and wonderful Lord Jesus in the air!  Maranatha! :clap:

Amen!

I find great comfort in knowing that I will not go through the Tribulation Period. The complete 7 years of the Tribulation period is a time of the wrath of God, and the Lamb, upon the face of this earth. :goodpost:

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An outstanding lesson Bro. Alan. Very well thought out and presented.

I did want to make one comment regarding this part of your study that I am going to copy and paste here: 

  1. In the not too far distant future.

Since this was written in approximately 96 A. D., there has been approximately 1,925 years pass. To some folks, because so many years have passed they are of the notion that Jesus is not coming, “quickly.”

This is an error due to the human frailty to understand that in the mind of God that only a couple of days have passed. 2 Peter 3:8, “But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.” We need to understand that with God, time is very temporary. The apostle Peter was trying to encourage the “beloved brethren” to continue on faithfully serving the Lord.

This is one of the reasons, several times in fact, that the Lord Jesus warned all the saints in the Church Age to have patience in waiting for Him to come again.

 

Your Scripture reference that you provided aptly illustrates what you are teaching. But I have to wonder at the idea that an all knowing God, who, although outside of time Himself and created time, would not understand that His creation would not understand the context of the word "quickly". While it is true that God's idea of "quickly" may differ from ours, I find it difficult to believe He would not know this and write in a manner that took this into consideration.

 

I say this because He gave us His Word, the Bible, as a means of communicating His purposes for us to understand. Surely he would understand that we would take the word "quickly' to mean very soon as we understand it to mean, not in the context of His viewing a thousand years as a day.

 

I hope I got my meaning through. I don't pretend to have any answer in addition to what you have taught, but this one part did gender a question in my mind tonight. I didn't get hung up on this and still think that you did an excellent lesson in all respects.

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Good point, brother Jim.

QUICKLY:
The action will happen quickly. 

For example Matt.28:8 "And they departed quickly from the sepulchre with fear and great joy; and did run to bring his disciples word."
(Matt 28:8 is not about the rapture, I bring this up only as an illustration of the use of "quickly" in regard to the action performed).

The rapture will happen quickly, So quickly in fact, we have a very good idea of how quickly... 
1 Cor. 15:52 "In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed."
It will happen so fast... the twinkling of an eye. That is much quicker than a "blink" of an eye... it's "in a moment" 

Another thought on this:
1 Thes. 4:17 also speaks of the rapture. We get the word "rapture" from the Latin word "rapturo" and the greek word "harpazo" 
our English states "caught up", and it IS to be caught up. The phrase "caught up" (rapturo/harpazo) denotes a forceful action...  
the word rapturo/harpazo means: "1) to seize, carry off by force 2) to seize on, claim for one’s self eagerly 3) to snatch out or away"

And we can see the perfect harmony with how "quickly" the catching up will be in 1 Cor. 15:52... in the twinkling of an eye.
When we study both sets of verses pertaining to the rapture, we understand will be caught up in the twinkling of an eye.
That's the "quickly" I believe you are referring to, brother Jim.

And again, I believe the Holy Spirit instills within us that deep desire/longing for this event to take place as shown in Romans 8:23.
I can agree wholeheartedly with how we "groan within ourselves" waiting for the redemption of our bodies. (to be given new uncorruptible bodies and to shed these sinful corruptible fleshy bodies as well)
However,  we are told to always be ready, watching, waiting for this event to take place. The imminence of the rapture is supported throughout scripture.

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21 hours ago, John81 said:

Our pastor has pointed this out. Quickly, not in terms of how soon after the writing, but quickly in terms of how it occurs when the time comes.

First, before I present my following disagreement, allow me to emphatically present my belief that prophetic utterances of Revelation 4-22 have NOT yet occurred, but are yet future.

Second, I do understand the grammatical attempt to handle the word "quickly" in Revelation 22:7, 12, 20.  However, I do NOT believe that this attempt truly answers the difficulty of a promised "quickness" for the Lord's return, as presented throughout the context of the Revelation as a whole.  Consider the following passages from Revelation:

Revelation 1:1 -- "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John."

Revelation 22:6-7 -- "And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be doneBehold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book."

It appears to me that in this context of Revelation the words "shortly" and "quickly" are intended to communicate that same basic idea, that is -- the idea of shortness in time from the moment of communication.

 

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On ‎2016‎年‎3‎月‎15‎日 at 9:33 AM, Jim_Alaska said:

An outstanding lesson Bro. Alan. Very well thought out and presented.

I hope I got my meaning through. I don't pretend to have any answer in addition to what you have taught, but this one part did gender a question in my mind tonight. I didn't get hung up on this and still think that you did an excellent lesson in all respects.

Bro. JIm,

I am glad that you enjoyed the lesson. The time spent on the lesson was a lot and I am very thankful that you, and I believe others, were blessed and edified by the lesson.

I am of the opinion that if a person truly studies all of the passages listed than that the conclusion that the 1000 year reign of Christ as described in Revelation 20:3-6 is literal and the passages quoted at that time will be fulfilled. It is also my contention that the passages were ignored in the Revelation Chapter 19-22 Study, and in this study, because the evidence is overwhelming.

Brethren,

If anyone would like to coment, or discuss, any of the listed passages, than please do so and we will discuss them one by one.

Alan

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