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Hi all :) 

I would like to know your opinions on atheism being defined as a religion. Some questions to discuss:

1) Is atheism a religion?

2) What is the definition of atheism?

3) What is the definition of religion?

4) How did you reach your conclusions?

Thanks :) 

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Atheism is a religion in which the believer attempts to convince, or claims to have convinced,  himself that he is exempt from the eternally punishing  fire of Hell, and has the right to exist outside of the fire of Hell now and as long as he lives.  The fool says,  "there is no God, there is no Hell".  How foolish can you get?

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I like Psalm 2 which says "He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh:  the Lord shall have them in derision."  Believers are seated in the heavenlies in Christ.  Atheist are stuck in a position which in reality is a tragic comedy, a sad joke....and what can you do but laugh at them if not cry for them.

 

Psalm 2

"Why do the heathen (atheists) rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?  The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying, Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords far from us."

This is the true desire of atheists, to get rid of God, and in their hearts they are murderers who believe that if a person believes in God, there is nothing wrong with  murdering that person to send them to meet their maker.  Of course most of them will deny this until a Hitler rises and they help the dictator or turn a cold cheek and look the other way...the same as the Pharisees said Jesus was insane when He told them He knew they were trying to kill Him.  Jesus promised that the world would hate Christians they same as they hated Him, and they would crucify all of us today if they could.

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why don't you answer them first? :)

His answers will be rhetorical self-deceptions designed to steer anything you say into never-ending rabbit trails as he tries to keep himself convinced that he has the right to live outside of the fire of Hell.   He's idolized his school teachers or favorite rock and roll singers or somebody or something, and he wants to be like them rather than be like Jesus.  He wants to be unholy rather than holy...like a lot of Christians today who love pornographic indulgences.

People chose to be atheists because their deeds are evil, they love darkness rather than light and will not come to the light lest their deeds be exposed.

 

I'm hoping that by telling the truth about what he is doing, he will fear God and get saved...but Pharaoh never did, no matter how much God showed Himself to Pharaoh.

How in the world our culture can raise children to believe they are better than smarter than God, or at least as good and as smart as God.....amazing

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why don't you answer them first? :)

Hi Miss Daisy!

I'd be happy to provide my opinions on the questions I've laid out, although my purpose here is mainly to understand what others believe and why.

1) Is atheism a religion?

I would say no. As for why, my answer can be justified by the following two questions.

2) What is the definition of atheism?

Oxford Dictionary defines atheism as the following (I agree with this definition):
"atheism
[ ˈāTHēˌizəm ] 
NOUN
disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.
synonyms: nonbelief · disbelief ·"

3) What is the definition of religion?

The same dictionary defines religion as such (I, too, agree with this definition):
"religion
[ riˈlijən ] 
NOUN
the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods:
"ideas about the relationship between science and religion"
synonyms: faith · belief ·"

4) How did you reach your conclusions?

So I reach my conclusion that atheism is not a religion because nothing in atheism commands that an atheist believe in or worship "a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods" (the latter part is particularly antithetical to atheism as the two are in blatant contradiction). Furthermore, atheism is the single position on a single subject, meaning atheism, by definition, cannot lead one to any religious belief of any kind. Atheists may be religious in some way, but nothing about atheism necessitates that these two be tied together. To clarify, to say that atheism causes atheists to be religious, a cause must, by definition, be necessary and sufficient. Atheism is compatible with certain religious philosophies (some forms of Buddhism for example), but nothing, as said, necessitates an atheist to be religious.

Thanks :) 

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Why bring up another thread of questions when in every other thread you refuse to face the most important point brought up, and that is your rejection of God and your only means of salvation and hope.

Walking towards the edge of the pit of hell while discussing anything other than the only means of safety is not only pointless but extremely dangerous.

Every question you asked in the OP is meaningless to the basic, most pressing need you have.

Deny God, spend eternity in hellfire wishing you had not, or open your heart to accept Christ, receive revelation from the Holy Ghost and thank God for His wonderful grace and mercy.

If you are intent upon talking about anything but salvation in Christ you are wasting your time and ours.

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Hi John81,

I willingly admit I reject belief in God. I'm not sure how I haven't "faced up to this", I've been quite direct in my lack of belief. Furthermore, I don't see the evidence that accepting God would give me any sort of salvation anyway.

If you wish to convince me that I require salvation and that belief in your god is the only way to that salvation, you have to actually provide a case for the existence of said god.

Thanks

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Hi John81,

I willingly admit I reject belief in God. I'm not sure how I haven't "faced up to this", I've been quite direct in my lack of belief. Furthermore, I don't see the evidence that accepting God would give me any sort of salvation anyway.

If you wish to convince me that I require salvation and that belief in your god is the only way to that salvation, you have to actually provide a case for the existence of said god.

Thanks

No, actually I don't. As you know, God already declares clearly in the book of Romans that everyone, EVERYONE, including you, are provided with more than enough evidence all around you to know, KNOW, that God exists. Even so, you refuse to face that reality choosing instead to deny the evidence all about you.

Every time you reject the prodding of the Holy Ghost to reach you your heart grows more callused and your opportunity to get right with God becomes less likely. None of us are assured of tomorrow, not even of another heartbeat. Break free from the herd running for the cliff and be set free by grace through faith in Christ.

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Hi John81,

No, I assure you, the burden of proof is on the one making the claim. To be clear, the Bible is the claim, not the proof of the claim. As a skeptic, I question the value of what the Bible has to say.

But you've here made a positive claim, namely that God provides me with abundant evidence of His existence. I am unaware of said evidence so perhaps it would be more conducive to discussion if you could point me in the right way.

Thanks :) 

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Hi all,

This post is going out to every forum I have commented on. I have come to the conclusion that my presence is most likely unwanted and unappreciated. I came to this forum under the pretenses that I would be able to enjoy serious discussions concerning theological issues rather than simply being told that my motives are suspect, I am a liar, I am filth, etc etc.

I hold no ill will towards anyone here and understand that these are your sincerely held beliefs. Unfortunately, the negative reception I have received makes me all the more reserved in my thoughts about being honest with those who don't know my beliefs.

I hope my presence has not caused any undue secession amongst your ranks and I now respectively depart from this site. I will attempt to delete my account, although a moderator may be required to do that. If this is the case, I ask that it be done.

Good day to all and thank you for the answers I've received.

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Then the burden of proof is upon you Professor as it is you declaring there is no God despite all the evidence to the contrary.

Read John chapter 3. That's where you need to be concentrating rather than illogical arguments which lead to hell.

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Hi all :) 

I would like to know your opinions on atheism being defined as a religion. Some questions to discuss:

1) Is atheism a religion?

2) What is the definition of atheism?

3) What is the definition of religion?

 

Irrelevant.  It's not true Christianity, therefore it's satanism.

4) How did you reach your conclusions?

Matthew 12:30

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All of this broken record parrot atheism is so worn out it's pathetic.  It's nothing but pride, and God's against it and atheists hate God.  It's really sad, but it's easy to see why the wrath of God abides on them who believe not on the Son of God.  God loves atheists because He is love, but somehow all they can see of God is hatred, and His wrath abides on them for rejecting His Son while in love He desires that all should repent and be saved.

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Atheism is a fool trying to be his own god while he says there is no God.  It's a self-deluding religious philosophy in which the believe attempts to convince themselves that they have in themselves the right to exist outside of the fire of Hell.  Of course they deny that they are religiously trying to be God to, for, by, and in  themselves because their dogma insists they cannot acknowledge any God.  It's self-negating nonsense, ultimately negating the believer in non-belief  from life......and I imagine that even in the fire of Hell they will never really believe that they can never get out of it.  It's pitiful, sad, intellectualized temper tantrums against God.  The atheist worships his own intellect and his own pride even though neither his intellect nor his pride can get them out of death nor keep them out of Hell.  The believe God is dispelled by their unbelief, and He is replaced by the atheist for the atheist.

I have no interest in atheism, but I do enjoy exposing it's folly and speaking the truth against it.  Every once in a while I hear of an atheist repenting and getting saved, and it's always a wonderful and powerful testimony.   The last one I heard of, other than the member of this site I read earlier today, said she was a third or fourth generation atheist whose father taught atheism as a college course.  One day she realized she was dying and had no way of being sure Hell was not real and she decided to believe on Jesus in His resurrection and she received Him as her Savior and from then on knew Him in reality and was forever changed.  The gospel is so simple a child can understand it, but somehow atheists can invest a lifetime studying their anti-religion belief hoping against hope in something they can never be sure of, in that they really do have the right to exist outside of the fire of Hell.

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You bring out a good point when you speak of atheists hating God. That's a driving factor for many of them, tho few will admit it. When it comes right down to it, those who are the most outspoken against the God they claim doesn't exist, themselves believe God does exist because they hold a hatred, even bitterness towards God which is why they lash out so.

They fight the evidence all around them for the existence of God, they force down that inner conviction which tells them God is real, they fight or run from the Gospel and Holy Ghost conviction. All of this fighting against God, against their own thoughts, against Christians boils over in hatred and bitterness which if left unchecked leaves them with hardened hearts, blinded eyes and deaf ears; lost with no future but that of hellfire and torment.

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A shame if he left, because I believe the greatest evidence of God's existence is clearly the nation of Israel.

As a nation, Israel should not exist. It is a tiny place, which was abandoned due to war almost 2,000 years ago, its inhabitants spread to the four corners of the earth, into all nations.

Yet somehow wherever they went, they maintained their national identity, split apart as they were, away from their homeland for so long, even Biblical scholars chose to reinterpret prophecies about Israel at the end to reflect replacement theology-where it came from. After all, there was no actual Israel, so they figured the Bible MUST be talking about the church, having replaced them.

yet somehow, though through great tragedy, Israel was given back to Jacob, and from every corner of the world, the Jewish people began to return to their homeland. An absolute impossibility from any earthly standpoint that the peoples who were cast out of their land millennia before, would not only return, but that the very nations that had rejected those people, would recognize the fact that it was, indeed, Israel. Give me, please, any example like that concerning any other nation.

As well, Israel, though a tiny nation, is again at the center of national news on almost a continual basis-it has the hatred of pretty much all her neighbors, who have all made it clear they intend to destroy her, though she has little to offer. And somehow, such a tiny nation has fought against, and prevailed over, vastly superior odds in battle. Another impossibility.

Everything about Israel defies the odds, and all those things point to only one possibility: that the Bible is true, and God is real and still has a plan for Israel. Otherwise, why do so many spend so much time and effort in hating them? Seriously, all they want to do is be left alone in their land. Many Palestinians already know that they have gotten along fine in Israel, and lived in peace alongside Jews, except for when the countries decide to fight against Israel. But there is such an international hatred against Israel, which can also only be explained by Bible truth.

Israel is the greatest proof of the existence of God there can be found.

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We know Israel proves God and the Bible, but atheists today are systematically taught to doubt the history of Israel and the authorship of the Bible.  Atheists use textual criticism to discredit God being the author of his  word the same as modern version promoters use it to discredit the King James Bible, and they use many questionable,  well compiled, intentionally doubt-casting false histories of the world.   Atheists take the lead in the discussions by getting Christians to talk about anything other than the simple truth of the gospel and the fact that the atheist does not have the right as a sinner to exist outside of the fire of Hell.  They are on thin ice melting over the fire of Hell skating around making a show longer and more dramatic than the Ice Capades, and as long as they are leading the discussion along their own lines of historical doubt-casting and imaginations of scientific proof that God and Hell are unreal,  they feel like they are the stars of their own show validated by their religion of atheism.

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I consider "religion" as any life philosophy that guides your thoughts, words and deeds.  So, yes, I consider atheism a religion.  I do not consider my faith a religion, it is a relationship.  I have a personal relationship with God.  It is not like most relationships we are familiar with, because God is spirit the relationship will be spiritual.  But I do experience God's presence and communication from Him through His Word and His Spirit.

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