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      Psalms 119:1-8                                         Sep. 5 - Oct. 2, 2019
      1 ALEPH. Blessed are the undefiled in the way, who walk in the law of the LORD.
      2 Blessed are they that keep his testimonies, and that seek him with the whole heart.
      3 They also do no iniquity: they walk in his ways.
      4 Thou hast commanded us to keep thy precepts diligently.
      5 O that my ways were directed to keep thy statutes!
      6 Then shall I not be ashamed, when I have respect unto all thy commandments.
      7 I will praise thee with uprightness of heart, when I shall have learned thy righteous judgments.
      8 I will keep thy statutes: O forsake me not utterly.
      The following verse stood out to me...
      5 O that my ways were directed to keep thy statutes!
      At first glance it seemed to me this person’s soul is poured out with intense desire to have God’s direction in keeping His Word.
      I made a small wood fire in our backyard for my granddaughter, Julia, since she would be staying overnight with us. My wife and Julia stayed outside at the fire for about half an hour. Then, I found myself alone to watch the fire die out on a particularly lovely evening. So I took my verse from above and began to repeat it for memorization. As I repeated the verse, I tried to contemplate the words and apply them to what I was seeing around me. 
      The moon and stars were out now peering through the scattered clouds above.
      [Genesis 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. Genesis 1:17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, Genesis 1:18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.]
      Thought 1         
      The moon has stayed his course since the day God created him, also the stars, obeying the statutes directed by God from the first day they were created. Can you imagine God’s direction to the Moon and stars, “moon you will have a path through the sky above the earth, stars you will occupy the firmament above the moon and be clearly visible in the cloudless night sky.”
      Then, the trees, grass, even the air we breathe obey the statues God gave them from the beginning. None of these creations have souls, none have hearts, none have intelligence, but they all observe God’s statutes, His instructions for their limited time on earth.
      Thought 2
      What if we were like the moon, stars, trees, grass, or the other creations which have no soul? We would be directed to keep God’s statutes without choosing to keep them. This is not the image of God, there would be no dominion over other creatures, or over the earth. We would not be capable of experiencing the joy and peace of learning the love of God
      Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
      Philippians 4:7 And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.
      Thought 3 (October 2, 2019)
      Is the psalmist pleading God to force God’s statutes to become the man’s ways? No, he is speaking of his own failure in keeping God’s statutes and his desire to keep them, very much like Paul in Romans 7:14-25.
      God doesn’t work through force to turn men from their ways that they would desire His statutes or desire God Himself. Men must reject (repent) put aside his own ways and voluntarily seek God and His statutes.

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Hello all! Before I tell you all about me, I suppose I should take the time to actually explain why I'm here.

Over at Glenn Beck's The Blaze website, I have an account (going by the same moniker). Yesterday, another member called TheSword and I got into a little debate pertaining to evolution and the age of the earth and this debate continued on until today. At the end, TheSword was kind enough to invite me to this forum presumedly to become a little more active in religious-based conversations as he/she (rightly) felt this would be a more appropriate venue for that sort of discussion.

About me: I was raised as a fundamentalist Southern Baptist from birth, seeing as my family has always been quite active in the church. Nothing negative has ever happened to me in church or my family and I love both groups of people for raising me the way they did, but in around February of 2013, after a couple of months of skeptical inquiry, I came to the conclusion that I lacked a belief in any gods. I won't go into the exact detailed reasons I rejected my god belief (I'm sure that'll come later in dedicated threads), but I will say it's something I'm fairly quiet about in my personal life. As far as I know, my family is unaware and only a handful of my friends have I felt comfortable enough to let know. I still live with my parents (I'm pretty young, but I won't give an exact date in the interest of privacy) so I guess you could say I'm waiting until I'm out of their presence to come out and admit I no longer believe in any gods.

Anyways, that's me! Nothing much special, just a curious guy who likes to have conversations with people so I can understand what they believe and why. I hope to get to know all of you and I hope my presence doesn't serve as a source of discomfort considering I am, in most senses of the word, an outsider.

Good day all :) 

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Welcome, Prof. I'm a little surprised you took me up on my offer. Most people don't and usually are pretty unkind about it. I'm happy to continue our conversation during the week (I try not to get on here too much on the weekend so I can focus on my family). I always appreciate civil engagement so again, glad you're here.

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     I thoroughly enjoy discussing the reality of knowing God with those who reject Him with the cheap excuse of "He hasn't given me any good evidence to make me believe Him" or stuff like that.   With the fundamental background boasted of in the OP, I'm sure the author is aware that he is named specifically in the Bible as a fool.  Now apparently, this fool thinks he is a very good fool, a nice guy full of love and understanding and open to the opinions of others...except of course to the possibility that he is in reality a FOOL.  Atheists will either bristle at that moniker, or put on a good show of letting it roll off their back like water on a duck...but there is always a spark of fire in their soul that tells them the fire of Hell is real, and they come to sites like this thinking they can defeat any argument which might prove them wrong.   The more they can defeat such arguments, the more they bolster their pride in preparation for proving to themselves that Hell has no fire and there is no punishment in death.  I have yet to encounter an atheist who can carry on a discussion about their beliefs without resorting to a myriad of insults.   I have called the atheist a fool as the Bible does for good reason.   The atheist may call me a fool for believing God or whatever, but that's as far as the name calling should go in the discussion.   In Proverbs, we are told to depart from fools when they prove themselves to be fools...I think that means when they prove they are stubborn and will not listen, just give it up and drop the argument.   I think they prove this stubbornness when they resort to insults in desperation of proving they are exempt from eternal death in Hell.   When they resort to personal attacks rather than discussion of their beliefs, it is a waste of time.   There is a verse about admonishing a fool two or three times before giving up on them.  It's sad, but many people are simply bound and determined to prove to themselves that they are exempt from Hell; and Hell enlarged itself making more room for more fools.  "Scare tactic, scare tactic, you only want my tithe" they will whine...the fact that God Himself took there death to purchase their life with His own blood is a joke to the fool until He awakens in the fire of Hell, and finds all of his nicety and goodness useless...but it sure is nice when an atheist can be a nice and good citizen of the world and get along with everybody.   Christians would never be burned at the stake or beheaded if all atheists were so nice as the OP atheist here.  If they were all as nice as this guy, surely the whole world would unite to stamp out oppressions of fascism, communism, Islam, and Hinduism's caste society, Satanism, witchcraft, Masonry, Wicca all would be gone with their evils abolished, and we would have heavenly life on earth as much as it is humanly possible...oh yeah, I forgot, that's the promise of the coming world dictator

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Do you see how your reaction is what I predicted it would be?  I didn't realize you are so young until after I read your post more carefully.  It's hard to tell any maturity level in atheists by looking at their belief.  I had actually guessed you as older since you seem to be focused on being a nice guy, but I am not surprised to see you are young.   The phrasing you use of "I lack a belief in any gods" is very modernistic and I have seen it used by some very nasty people whose age would lead a person to expect more civil conduct.

Several of these modernistic phrasings are used by atheist, promoted and pushed through all kinds of cultural media in a concerted brainwashing from Hell as Satan seeks to devour as many people as he can before he is forever stopped from spreading his hatred of God.

 

The atheistic belief is childish because in reality it is a temper tantrum against God.    In the atheistic temper tantrum, the believer denies that he deserves to die for the things he has done wrong.  Atheists will run all kinds of circles trying to deny that they deserve to die this very moment simply because they love their pride and whatever sin they are indulging in.  They know that if they believe Jesus is God and risen from the dead offering them forgiveness for causing Him to pay for their crimes against God, they will have to renounce their pride and turn against their sin and it's pleasures and this will probably be a dividing line with all of their old friends and acquaintances. 

 

 

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doesn't an atheist have to believe in God not to believe in Him

Yes, but they won't admit it.  Everybody believes in God and they know exactly who they are referring to when they say things like "The Unknown God", or "The Great Spirit", or "gods" (they use this as a direct insult against God to say He is nobody special).  God never gives anybody any excuse for not believing in Him.  They make up their own excuses as they go along, and those excuses are never good enough to get rid of God...something always brings Him back to mind...atheists are always haunted by fear and their life's goal is to strengthen their pride enough to justify their love of death.

 

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Welcome, Prof. I'm a little surprised you took me up on my offer. Most people don't and usually are pretty unkind about it. I'm happy to continue our conversation during the week (I try not to get on here too much on the weekend so I can focus on my family). I always appreciate civil engagement so again, glad you're here.

 

He's trying to work up the nerve to come out of the closet as an atheist in the circles of his fundamental upbringing.  The devil probably got a grip on him through dungeons and dragons or Pokémon or something like that.  He's coming here to try to prepare himself for dropping the bomb of his atheism on his fundamental family and friends, trying to get his arguments ready.  It's really sad to see a youngster exercising themselves for a life of pride ending in the fire of Hell, doing all they can to strengthen themselves.....the Bible says evildoers will wax worse and worse and I think most of us here have seen enough of the progressive hardening or heart in self-destructive pride to feel sorry for the rebels who don't care about the wrath of God against their sin.

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I spent around two hours trying to reason face to face with an 84 year old man who was like an atheist but not quite an atheist.  He simply didn't want to believe on a God of Judgment who has the right to condemn by the fire of Hell confining sinners forever.  That discussion was by far the most civil and respectful I have ever had with an atheist.  The man believes he is as good as God, or at least good enough for God, and truly is a pleasant man to spend time with.

It's really sad, he listened well for almost two hours, patiently and attentively as I explained the gospel of God's promise of eternal life for all who admit they are sinners who deserve to burn in Hell forever, believe Jesus is God the Son sent by God the Father to die for their sins and rose from the dead offering them forgiveness, and call on God the Father in the name of the Son to save them from Hell.  "For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved".  The sparkly eyed old man who thinks he is so wise and is happy enough in the pride of his wisdom said "I don't want a God who says to one person, you have to burn in Hell forever and to another person, welcome to heaven".   Too bad for the old man that God is who God is and the old man can't have God any other way.  The old man is his own god, and no god is good enough for God.  It's really sad....knowing the terror of the Lord, we persuade men.  I see that old man around town from time to time and it's sad.  

Atheists simply choose to believe Hell is not eternal punishment.   I think that even in Hell, they believe that they will get out of it someway, somehow......and all they can do is scream when they think they are stuck.

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Hi Rosie!

"doesn't an atheist have to believe in God not to believe in Him"

Of course I would have to say no, but Saintnow seems to have a different opinion as do some others on this site. If you wish to have more questions answered about opinions on atheists, I have started a dedicated thread in The Lounge called "Opinions On Atheists?" if you'd like to check it out.

Thanks :) 

 

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Of course you say no, but you know exactly who God is when you say He is not there.  You don't want Him to be there, because you hate Him and you love your sin all the way to death and Hell.  You made that choice, and you can change your mind about it.  The truth is not a matter of opinion.  The truth is, you are talking like you have decided to never admit the truth and it seems to me that God is hardening your heart so it's a waste of time to try to reason with you.

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