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There are all kinds of engineering explanations.  Deal is the governments not upset.  I mean the government did a thorough investigation.  These guy that have youtube channels and are engineers they don't have access and they aren't government investigators.  

Do you trust the government because of Rom 13?

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I just do what God wants or try to.  Jesus didn't seem to want to investigate the Roman government.  Neither did Paul or the Apostles.  Thats good enough for me.  I got friends that love this stuff you like. It's interesting.  Sometimes.  Some get a little upset if I don't agree.  I'm just not a conspiratorial minded person.  Like Alex Jones hes not the government has no investigative or arrest powers.  God gives someone arrest powers thats serious business.  All these guys like oh say Texe Marrs and the rest.  They have no official government standing none.  They don't keep order or have to put up with all the conspiracy theories.  That people use because they don't like the way things are or the way things are going.  So sometimes they use these to get done what they want to get done.  The US has to deal with all kinds of people from different backgrounds.  That aren't Christian in some cases.  Christians are supposed to preach the Gospel.  God wants all men to be saved.  When it operates well then we can live peaceful lives and some of us can preach the Gospel.  We are not supposed to harass them. 

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I just do what God wants or try to.  Jesus didn't seem to want to investigate the Roman government.  Neither did Paul or the Apostles.  Thats good enough for me. 

You have actually got some good points and scriptures there, like most topics in the Bible it is getting the right balance, I think a good general knowledge can't be wrong, in order not to be deceived, but I do think some get caught up too much with what the devil is up to.

>>>>So given my suppositions above.  Thats one very huge conspiracy with almost all governments on the earth.  Who do have resources to know better.  Including the entire US government.  All cooperating in the conspiracy not to mention the press.  I'll have to say thats a little bit to much to overlook.  God tells us what to think in regards to government in the Bible.  I believe in strict adherence to what was said in the NT about that.  If you don't see God in authority.  Jesus even told Pilate.  You would have no authority if not given from above.  There was a conspiracy back then.  But it wasn't a government conspiracy.  They wanted Jesus dead.  They kept trying and found a way.  Given the choice between Barabbas and Jesus.  They chose to set the insurrectionist free.  The one wanting to overthrow the government.  Because they didn't like what was established over them.<<<<

Re 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Re 16:14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come,[the day of Christ] except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
2Th 2:5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
2Th 2:6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
2Th 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
2Th 2:9 Even him,[anti-Christ?] whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

 

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There are all kinds of engineering explanations.  Deal is the governments not upset.  I mean the government did a thorough investigation.  These guy that have youtube channels and are engineers they don't have access and they aren't government investigators.  I just let the government do what does.  It establishes order and well I am pretty safe have never been robbed or attacked by strangers.  So I think they do a pretty good job. I did have one thing stolen in my life a vcr.  Thats it.  So they are doing what God wants them to do when he has us pray for them as far as I am concerned.  I have a peaceful life.  

I idealogicaly I  support the Government too, the NWO is like Commi infiltrators, they will use the Government, that way the people end up funding the enemy. They cant work without corruption, for example two fellow Masons, one a cop and one a drunk driver, the drunk gives the cop a masonic coin and the drunk walks free, corruption. Masonry started Communism, or the illuminate I should say.

BTW Ro 13:1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. That would include the souls who are in Government office.

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Yes!  Boy. it really makes a guy feel bad when he proves everbody that says he doesn't know what he is talking about correct. :(

Larry whats really scary you look more than a little bit like me lol.  I looked at your picture and thought it was me.

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Yes!  Boy. it really makes a guy feel bad when he proves everbody that says he doesn't know what he is talking about correct. :(

The building had 47 stories...so I think that's why the confusion sometimes.

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It's interesting to consider that right after the buildings collapsed the news networks quickly started calling in building engineers and such to discuss this. These were put on live TV pointing out why the planes crashing into the towers could not have caused the near perfect collapse of the buildings. This continued for a day or so until the media were told to stop. Then, after a pause, those who had spoken on the matter before were no longer seen on the news while new "experts" were called in to tell us that the buildings are fragile enough for burning jet fuel to cause the near perfect collapse. No more mention of all the reasons that couldn't be the cause, no rebuttals to the evidence presented previously of why that couldn't have happened, not even any mention of those interviews and reports ever having taken place. Down the black hole that reporting went.

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It's interesting to consider that right after the buildings collapsed the news networks quickly started calling in building engineers and such to discuss this. These were put on live TV pointing out why the planes crashing into the towers could not have caused the near perfect collapse of the buildings. This continued for a day or so until the media were told to stop. Then, after a pause, those who had spoken on the matter before were no longer seen on the news while new "experts" were called in to tell us that the buildings are fragile enough for burning jet fuel to cause the near perfect collapse. No more mention of all the reasons that couldn't be the cause, no rebuttals to the evidence presented previously of why that couldn't have happened, not even any mention of those interviews and reports ever having taken place. Down the black hole that reporting went.

Yes, that sort of thing shows that the media isn't completely controlled but just highly influenced, allot of these sort of companies can be manipulated by the threat to withdraw 'funds', it doesn't even take the threat of legal action or illegal action. I think we are all responsible to resist evil and corruption where God has put us, easier said than done sometimes.

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Yes!  Boy. it really makes a guy feel bad when he proves everbody that says he doesn't know what he is talking about correct. :(

In  the Spirit of it you were speaking the truth where some feel too intimidated even in the uk to speak.

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Good one, It is surprising how many times the CIA and the FBI own up to lying and faking videos such as the Bin-ladden videos, and people just keep on trusting them. People should remember that due to these lies the west is losing its freedom and our military is causing unjust carnage.

I am beginning to realise that it is when people TRUST their Government that they will easily and always believe everything they say, and then justify them when they are exposed.

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I think it is Important that Christians remember our commission, and that we are the only ones capable of fulfilling the Gospel mission, and time is short.

But at the same time we don't want to be deceived, I have saw some evidence that sections of the church are getting led by false prophetesses to watch TV and General Media including Movies, and expect that God will be using it more and more to speak to people. I believe the media machine is going to become more and more the mouth of the beast and the false prophet mentioned in Rev. I can easily see where TV (and all mainstream media, and the whole education system) will be used to empower the Beast of Revelation. Another interesting thing which might be key in the powerful delusion is modern almost secret mind control technology, see for example 'Dr. Persinger's God Helmet' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YPOTaUyvA0 and Benjamin Creme's announcement of 'the lord Maitreya's emergence. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1WoPahfN4g and 'synthetic telepathy'. Most info on Synthetic Telepathy is about Gang Stalking /targeted individuals testimony. I don't think any government has acknowledged this practise, I think a more dangerous use of this technology would be through media pc propaganda. I know of one or two good documentaries of the history of the research. Kind of far out but the science is up and running. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQmMs2PThhE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tI4ju-pBadU

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Good one, It is surprising how many times the CIA and the FBI own up to lying and faking videos such as the Bin-ladden videos, and people just keep on trusting them. People should remember that due to these lies the west is losing its freedom and our military is causing unjust carnage.

I am beginning to realise that it is when people TRUST their Government that they will easily and always believe everything they say, and then justify them when they are exposed.

Have you every heard of psychological operations by chance?  If I remember correctly, those Bin Laden videos were a form of PSYOP or Military Deception...which are both legitimate operations for the United States military.  I'm unsure what unjust carnage you are speaking of specifically but would be interested to hear what you mean.

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Have you every heard of psychological operations by chance?

Yes I have. And you know what I mean, using lies to justify going to war. If you elevate Christ above your Nation I'm sure things will eventually become clearer. Bottom line:

Mr 8:15 And he charged them, saying, Take heed, beware of the leaven of the Pharisees, and of the leaven of Herod.

Lu 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

And I'm sure that would include a secret secular government which makes lies its shelter.

You can't trust Christ and Herod.

Here is a scriptural reference to what looks like 'Skull and Bones' of their day.

Isa 28:14 Wherefore hear the word of the LORD, ye scornful men, that rule this people which is in Jerusalem. (Western World)
Isa 28:15 Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:

Isa 28:16 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste.
Isa 28:17 Judgment also will I lay to the line, and righteousness to the plummet: and the hail shall sweep away the refuge of lies, and the waters shall overflow the hiding place.
Isa 28:18 And your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your agreement with hell shall not stand; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it.

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Yes I have. And you know what I mean, using lies to justify going to war. If you elevate Christ above your Nation I'm sure things will eventually become clearer. Bottom line:

Mr 8:15 And he charged them, saying, Take heed, beware of the leaven of the Pharisees, and of the leaven of Herod.

Lu 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

And I'm sure that would include a secret secular government which makes lies its shelter.

You can't trust Christ and Herod.

Here is a scriptural reference to what looks like 'Skull and Bones' of their day.

Isa 28:14 Wherefore hear the word of the LORD, ye scornful men, that rule this people which is in Jerusalem. (Western World)
Isa 28:15 Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:

Isa 28:16 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste.
Isa 28:17 Judgment also will I lay to the line, and righteousness to the plummet: and the hail shall sweep away the refuge of lies, and the waters shall overflow the hiding place.
Isa 28:18 And your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your agreement with hell shall not stand; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it.

You obviously haven't heard of psychological warfare or operations as what you've just said is not what it is.  This has nothing to do with elevating Christ above my Nation...I already consider Him eternally more important than my nation.  This is about you not knowing what the definition of something or having an understanding about what you are speaking about.  This was not meant as a put down, I was sincerely asking so that I could explain it to you.

Here is an example of PSYOP that was used in World War II

http://www.psywarrior.com/gulfwar.html

 

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Still am interested in hearing about the unjust carnage you were speaking of.  So, that we are "clear"...I am not saying there isn't any...just wondering what exactly you were referencing with your comment.

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Ahh, I see...you mean the Bin Laden tapes were lies to justify going to war?  I thought they were used or going to be used to make Bin Laden seem illegitimate so that Muslims didn't back him?  Didn't have anything to do with promoting a war.

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You know Bin Laden wasn't killed/captured in a cave right?  You know he had almost unlimited resources when it comes to money correct?  Hmm.

You know the twin towers fell because of fire/structural issues correct?  When metal heats it expands, then cools and shrinks, and so on and so forth.  I am a volunteer firefighter and this is basic knowledge in the fire service.  The Twin towers did withstand the impact from aircraft...the weakness was the elevator shaft and expanding/shrinking of metal.  It doesn't take much time to research this objectively.

NORAD didn't track flights in the United States before 9/11..hence, why would USAF jets be scrambled?  Or why would they be scrambled in time since there was no tracking of the flights...

I've seen the stories about those identified on passenger lists are still alive and well.  There is absolutely no proof of this and it's speculation.  There is not one photo or video of said persons.

110 storys of rubble falls on a 47 story building and you are surprised it didn't collapse from a plane?  How about the several thousands of tons of rubble that was on it...of course it collapsed!  Or, from all the fire that spread to the surrounding buildings...

I know people personally that were at the Pentagon, they saw the plane.  But, I suppose maybe all those regular people are just liars or have decided to join the government in the most impossible conspiracy known to man.  Who can be deluded into this?  Oh, I don't know, maybe the thousands of people that saw the plane circle and crash into the Pentagon...

 

One question for you, can you post us some video clips of steel frame buildings collapsing because of fire so we can see how they fell?

And one statement, there was other buildings closer to the twin towers which got more rubble right on top of them, and they also burned but they never collapsed.

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One question for you, can you post us some video clips of steel frame buildings collapsing because of fire so we can see how they fell?

And one statement, there was other buildings closer to the twin towers which got more rubble right on top of them, and they also burned but they never collapsed.

I would expect someone that was so enamored by this to spend the time researching it.  I don't believe in the conspiracy so there is no need for me to do your work for you.  If you want to objectively research it, you'll have to read both conspiracy theory websites and sites that describe the science, theory and speculation of how it could have happened.  Then, you can make your own decision from there.  I have looked at both and have made the decision that the impact, fire and how the building was structured would allow the "pancake" type of effect that happened that day.  When one floor collapses down, it's been shown that the weight and impact of that would be a domino effect on the lower floors.  

The burden of proof lies on those that think it's a conspiracy.

I don't know a whole lot about tower 7 but I do know that many regular citizen firefighters felt the building was unstable and the FDNY chief called for the evacuation because of what his firefighters witnessed.  I suppose I have a hard time believing random, normal, citizens who are firefighters were a part of a cover up to collapse Tower 7.  But, if you believe it...it's your right to believe it, I just don't see any proof to make me think it was anything other than what regular firefighters witnessed.

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Ahh, I see...you mean the Bin Laden tapes were lies to justify going to war?  I thought they were used or going to be used to make Bin Laden seem illegitimate so that Muslims didn't back him?  Didn't have anything to do with promoting a war.

The whole war on terror is based on lies, (unfortunately for the peoples of the earth) But if you go back and look, it was the lies which was linked in a video which Covenanter posted which I was referring to as a pretext for war. The Gov' has been taken over by the enemy, that is why they shot JFK because he was not bowing to their threats. You are the one who is being deceived so the ball is in your court to find out what is blinding your eyes and see the truth. I used to be so Pro British that it blinded me to many things, but no more, the truth is the truth.

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The whole war on terror is based on lies, (unfortunately for the peoples of the earth) But if you go back and look, it was the lies which was linked in a video which Covenanter posted which I was referring to as a pretext for war. The Gov' has been taken over by the enemy, that is why they shot JFK because he was not bowing to their threats. You are the one who is being deceived so the ball is in your court to find out what is blinding your eyes and see the truth. I used to be so Pro British that it blinded me to many things, but no more, the truth is the truth.

The Gospel is Truth.  Your opinions on conspiracies are not truth unless they are substantiated by facts.  I see no facts, only conjecture.

I am an extremely logical person, I don't trust the government wholeheartedly but I also don't subscribe to random conspiracy theories made up by MAN.

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I would expect someone that was so enamored by this to spend the time researching it.  I don't believe in the conspiracy so there is no need for me to do your work for you.  If you want to objectively research it, you'll have to read both conspiracy theory websites and sites that describe the science, theory and speculation of how it could have happened.  Then, you can make your own decision from there.  I have looked at both and have made the decision that the impact, fire and how the building was structured would allow the "pancake" type of effect that happened that day.  When one floor collapses down, it's been shown that the weight and impact of that would be a domino effect on the lower floors.  

The burden of proof lies on those that think it's a conspiracy.

I don't know a whole lot about tower 7 but I do know that many regular citizen firefighters felt the building was unstable and the FDNY chief called for the evacuation because of what his firefighters witnessed.  I suppose I have a hard time believing random, normal, citizens who are firefighters were a part of a cover up to collapse Tower 7.  But, if you believe it...it's your right to believe it, I just don't see any proof to make me think it was anything other than what regular firefighters witnessed.

I didn't even know that I simply assumed they felled the building for safety reasons.  You have to be aware there are agitators and anarchists that can put anything they want on the web.  People that simply don't like the US.  They could be communists,  socialists or just plain anarchists.  They used to distribute literature like that before the web.  I'd be careful who I listened to. 

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