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I have a friend, a member of our church, who is recently made friends with Mormon. She has been invited to one of their services, and she has gone to one and is wanting to go back to another – because she really wants to share the true gospel with them. The problem is, that this friend is fairly unschooled in doctrine. She knows the basic doctrines, but she doesn't really know the 'why's' or the Scriptures behind them. I told her that if she does go back to another service, I am going with her. Now, I know a fair bit about the doctrines of Mormonism, but I am not so familiar with how they twist our scriptural terms or in what areas they are likely to start discussions with A new prospect. Does anyone have any experience with this that they could share with me on what to expect regarding subjects they may be expected to bring up?  Or any other advice – besides 'don't go!', which I know, but I'm not sure that I can convince my friend not to do. 

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i read a book once by a person who left the mormon church and converted to Baptist and got saved.. that person was threatened.. and ended up leaving the area... please don't go and talk your friend out of going... they have a way of sucking people in and not letting them go.. another friend who is a Christian had 2 mormon men come to her door and she let them in, listenede to what they had to say then said i listened to you now please listen to me. she took them thru the plan of salvation and the one called himself an elder and vowed to the mormon church and sat they and cried like a baby because he couldn't break his vow to that church.. i've often wondered if he ever got saved and left that church

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Mormons are quick to say they believe in the Bible and Jesus but it only takes a couple questions and their answers to expose their beliefs don't agree with Scripture and the Jesus they believe in isn't the Jesus of Scripture.

Jesus is God; always has been, always will be. Mormons teach that Jesus was once a man who managed to live so well he ascended to godhood. Along with this false Jesus teaching is the accompanying Mormon teaching which says Mormons can follow in the way Jesus walked and become so good they too will become a god. To Mormons, Jesus is just "a god", one among many, and one who was once just a human.

There are many other aspects a person can delve into. One very important aspect is the fact history and archeology support what's written in our KJB but there is not even one tiny bit of evidence of anything from the Book of Mormon supported by historical or archeological fact.

Sadly, many today view Mormonism as just another Christian denomination. Even many Christians, out of ignorance, think Mormons are just Christians of another stripe.

Another area the Mormons have exploited is in the area of "family values". When Christians stopped speaking of Christian or biblical values and focused on the more "tolerant" sounding "family values", they lost the claim to an exclusive belief. Mormons, who are very much into "family values" have capitalized upon this and used this to help promote themselves as being family friendly as well as a part of those who support "family values" and thus akin to Christians and traditionalists.

The main thing with Mormons is to continually point to Scripture and who Jesus is. Mormons love to make a quick "we believe in Jesus" type statement and then move to more comfortable (for them) topics. We can't let them get away with that. If they are wrong about Jesus (and they are) there is nothing else worth discussing as Jesus is central to salvation and the entirety of Scripture. Don't allow them to move away from confronting what Scripture says about Jesus.

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One of the biggest areas; in which, you "might" could deal with a Mormon is in archaeology, history, and prophecy. I watched a few videos on YouTube about this a couple of years ago, and it was very interesting. The historical (archaeological) and prophetic data recorded in the book of Mormon is very flawed; whereas, the historical data and prophecy recorded in the Bible is true. Archaeology confirms the truth of God's word, and it confirms the false claims of the book of Mormon. Such as, the book of Mormon's claim that there were once elephants in North America...there has never been any elephant fossils found here. Remember, they view the Bible as flawed and the book of Mormon as perfect; therefore, anything written in the Bible is supplanted by what's written in the book of Mormon.

The book of Mormon's historical claims are so wrong that at one time they were performing digs around North America to try to verify what is recorded in the book of Mormon; however, when no "proof" ever materialized, they stopped all of the digging and have forbidden anyone (Mormon and non-Mormon) from performing any more archaeological digs on their "holy sites".

Granted, this would take some research on your part, and it's probably something to discuss after you have made some in-roads with an individual rather than hitting them with it at the start...

With that said, always use scripture. That's what the Holy Spirit uses to convict a lost person with...

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I have a friend, a member of our church, who is recently made friends with Mormon. She has been invited to one of their services, and she has gone to one and is wanting to go back to another – because she really wants to share the true gospel with them. The problem is, that this friend is fairly unschooled in doctrine. She knows the basic doctrines, but she doesn't really know the 'why's' or the Scriptures behind them. I told her that if she does go back to another service, I am going with her. Now, I know a fair bit about the doctrines of Mormonism, but I am not so familiar with how they twist our scriptural terms or in what areas they are likely to start discussions with A new prospect. Does anyone have any experience with this that they could share with me on what to expect regarding subjects they may be expected to bring up?  Or any other advice – besides 'don't go!', which I know, but I'm not sure that I can convince my friend not to do. 

​Your friend is in grave danger if she goes to these Mormon meetings-Mormons and JW's thrive on sucking in new Christians who don't know much, by dazzling them with things before they have understanding and discernment of the truth. Right now I am dealing with a y9oung man in my church who has a JW friend, an older adult, and insists and fellowshipping with him against me better judgment. Mind you, this man I know him, and even as a person he is devoid of any good personal attribute. He drinks, TO excess, swears, and would rather climb a tree and lie, than to stand there and tell the truth. In fact, he will lie about what the JW organization believes, just to make it seem like he is right. And he openly mocks and speaks against me, this young man's pastor, my own son in the Lord, and he hears and accepts it. This is the sort of people that they specifically target. If your friend wants to evangelize them, good for her-but joining them, going to their meetings, well, you don't evangelize the lion while in the lion's den, among the pride. She will be devoured because she doesn't yet have the tools and maturity as a believer to withstand them, not to mention that Mormonism has powerful demons involved with them.  

One of their methods is that they use the same terminology we use, and that the Bible uses, but they change the meanings. the gospel is not Jesus' death, burial and resurrection-rather it is a series of good works a Mormon must do to attain one of the heavens after death. They believe Mary was the mother of Jesus through the power of God, BUT, they teach that it was a physical act between a physical father god and Mary, and NOT the power of the Holy Ghost. They SAY they believe in the Truine God, BUT their is god the father, who is a physical man who was once a man and became God, that Jesus is His son, BUT just one of millions of spirit children, including Lucifer, and that Jesus attained to status of Saviour because his idea of the redemption of man was Better than Lucifer's, and the Spirit is a force, not God, Himself.

Their religion is so full of weird error and lies its hard to do this without writing a book. David Cloud has a good book on it, which is available as a free download ebook at his site. It might be a help for you both.

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Their religion is so full of weird error and lies its hard to do this without writing a book. David Cloud has a good book on it, which is available as a free download ebook at his site. It might be a help for you both.

​Thank you for that book! I've read a lot of those things before, but it's hard trying to concisely summarize them. You should have seen our Bible study session last night; she was wanting the texts to counter the false things she'd heard (and she knew they were wrong). We covered the Bible (as being complete & not to be added to), prophets, the Trinity, the Lord's supper (with a rabbit trail on the importance of the blood in our salvation - apparently they celebrate communion with water) - the nature of Jesus Christ, the birth of Christ, the nature of the Father, and a bit on salvation - as well as me throwing in a bit about weird Mormon doctrine and false historical prophecies to give her an idea of how their prophets were false. It was practically a whole Bible Institute course in one sitting! The problem is that when she left, I could tell she thought she was all ready to answer them - she doesn't know how they'll twist things, and a lot of those subjects can't be answered with just one proof text - they require context, definitions, and cross references. Even what I threw at her was way too much to take in on one sitting.

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​ as well as me throwing in a bit about weird Mormon doctrine and false historical prophecies to give her an idea of how their prophets were false. 

​And I don't know if you're familiar with them, but Joseph Smith gave various other prophecies during his lifetime that failed to come to pass, like declaring some of the places they tried to settle in as becoming great Mormon stronghold, when they were run out just a short time later, or the bank Smith started, I think in Nauvoo, that he prophesied would swallow up all other banks in America, and within a year or so, they had been closed due to extremely unsavory business practices and fraud, about which time Smith received another 'prophecy' that they were to leave. Ol' Smith was just chock-full o' prophecies, but not a one ever came to pass.

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I have a book called "Where does it say that? A research tool compiled by Bob White" with no publishers details or information other than "Gospel Truths PO 1015 Grand Rapids, MI 49501.

There is no date on it but it is by no means a recent book.

It consists of page after page after page of photocopies and transcripts of letters, newsletters, pages from the Mormon books, and correspondence, most of which is simply underlined with no further comment by the complier.

He has compiled these into subjects chapters such as "Adam-god doctrine", "changes in LDS "scriptures"",  "Mormon godhead doctrines", and many other headings.

I don't know who Bob White is and in reality it doesn't matter as he doesn't comment hardly at all - he lets them condemn themselves.

If you can find this book it would be worth it.

 

An example : he begins a chapter with a small explanation such as this.

"Blood Atonement.

In Mormon theology, there are two different meanings for the phrase, "blood atonement". The first type is the one effected by the death of Christ on the cross. That "atonement" brings about the universal resurrection of all mankind, plants, animals, and even the planet earth itself. Absolutely no action, thought or any amount of exercise of faith is required on the part of anyone so resurrected.

The second type of blood atonement is unique to Mormonism - it is a doctrine which states that there are certain sins which when committed, place the sinner beyond the forgiving power of the blood of Christ. In those instances, the sinner's own blood must be shed in order to effect any forgiveness....."

He continues for another paragraph and a half, then the next  4 pages are copied pages (4 to a page) of mormon documents showing what he has described.

The entire book follows this pattern.

The above quoted text is from page 5-1 of the edition I have.

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Sorry you're right - not paying attention here. :wacko:

​I just found it amusing since a bobwhite is a quail, but I don't put it past someone to name their child that -- my grandmother was Pearl Nichols (think nickles)and then after marriage was Pearl White. I knew a Dora Bell (doorbell?), Rusty Hammer and several others.

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​I just found it amusing since a bobwhite is a quail, but I don't put it past someone to name their child that -- my grandmother was Pearl Nichols (think nickles)and then after marriage was Pearl White. I knew a Dora Bell (doorbell?), Rusty Hammer and several others.

​I used tgo work with a Wendy Howes   (Wendy House?)

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I have a friend, a member of our church, who is recently made friends with Mormon.

​And that's your first problem, right there! 

2 Cor 6:14

Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

 

She has been invited to one of their services, and she has gone to one and is wanting to go back to another – because she really wants to share the true gospel with them.

And there is your second problem--a woman is NOT someone who ought be preaching--that's a man's job!

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​And that's your first problem, right there! 

2 Cor 6:14

Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

 

And there is your second problem--a woman is NOT someone who ought be preaching--that's a man's job!

​Maybe she wanted to share her testimony with some of the people there...that is permissible in a private setting (not sharing it with the entire church in a pulpit...)

But, I completely disagree with even going to the Mormon Temple as a new Christian...very dangerous.  Probably not even a good idea to go as a doctrinally sound Christian.

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​I myself have been a Mormon for years. What exactly do you believe they "twist"?  And when you say "our scripture..." do you follow a different scripture then the Bible? I'm confused I thought Baptist read the same scriptures as all Christians. At least the IFB I know follow the Bible.

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i read a book once by a person who left the mormon church and converted to Baptist and got saved.. that person was threatened.. and ended up leaving the area... please don't go and talk your friend out of going... 

​As a Mormon I would agree with this. You'd do far better showing up at their door then you would showing up at their church. You won't get anywhere with it at the church. I've seen people try and trust me it goes nowhere.

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​I myself have been a Mormon for years. What exactly do you believe they "twist"?  And when you say "our scripture..." do you follow a different scripture then the Bible? I'm confused I thought Baptist read the same scriptures as all Christians. At least the IFB I know follow the Bible.

​Thanks, 20JC12. I was hoping you'd respond. :) It was not my intention to cause any offense to you with this post.  What I meant by the above is that, while IFB do endeavor to follow the Bible as the only Word of God, my understanding is that the Mormon church gives precedence to its other scriptures, resulting in the official doctrine of the Mormon church being different from plain Bible teaching. For example, the Bible says that Jesus Christ is God (John 1:1) - part of the Trinity (three persons in one being - 1 John 5:7). He came to earth and took upon himself a human body (John 1:14) - but He is completely God. He is the only begotten son of God (John 3:16), and yet one with God - his human body created by the power of the Holy Spirit in the womb of a virgin woman (Matt. 1:18). As God, He is eternal - always was, and always will be (Rev. 1:8).  He always was and will be God (holy, all-powerful, all-knowing, immortal), and He created the earth (John 1:3) Jesus is the only part of the Triune God that has a physical body (John 4:23-24).  Man has sinned against God, and as such is separated from Him. Our penalty for this is death and eternal hell. Jesus Christ came as a perfect man, and died and shed His blood in order that the penalty for our sins could be satisfied. If we trust in Him and what He did as our only salvation, God will lay His righteousness to our account and forgive us the penalty of our sins. Our own works are as filthy rags and cannot earn us salvation - in fact, the very effort to try to do good works (including baptism) to earn salvation proves that we are not trusting Christ alone - without which we cannot be saved. 

On the other hand, according to what I have studied of Mormon doctrine, the official teaching about God/Jesus is something like this (and I do apologize for the rather rough summation). God was once a mortal being. By whatever process, he became a god and got to run this planet. Jesus is not the only son of god - he is brother to Lucifer. Jesus was conceived by god having physical relations with Mary.  There are many gods - not just one. Jesus is not one being with God - the teaching is that are three different gods that share a job called the Godhead. Jesus is the Christ because he had a better idea than Lucifer on 'salvation'. God is not a unique being - in fact, if humans live perfectly (good works), they can become gods and rule and populate their own little planets. Lorenzo Snow summed it up in 1840 when he stated: "As God once was, man can be. As God is, man can become."  Everyone will end up going to some level of heaven. Hell is temporary.

Therefore to sum it up, official Mormon doctrine (as determined by the Standard Works and the accepted teachings of church leaders & prophets) and the Bible disagree on the following:

Bible -  Mormon church

One God - Many gods
Man is not god - Man can become a god
Jesus is the only Son of God (yet one with God. Yes, it's confusing.) - Jesus is not the only son of god
Lucifer (Satan) is a rebellious, fallen angel - Lucifer is a son of god and brother of Jesus
Jesus miraculously born of a virgin by the power of the Holy Spirit - Jesus born as a result of physical relations between a father god and a no-longer-virgin woman.
Salvation (from penalty of sins) by faith alone - Salvation (from penalty of personal sins) by good works & baptism
Hell eternal - Hell temporary
Trinity as three persons in one God - trinity as three gods in one job
God the Father is a Spirit - god the father has a physical body


The Jesus of the Mormon organization is not the same Jesus of the Bible. (President Hinckley has stated the same thing.) Their god is not the God of the Bible. And their teaching of salvation and man's very destiny is completely contradictory to what the Bible says.

The reason I made mention of twisting is that the Mormon church uses the same terms that Christians have historically used, but have redefined them. This creates confusion, and leads many people both within and without the church to believe that the Mormon church believes/teaches the same as historic Christian churches, because of the similar terminology.  I offer the following article as an example: https://carm.org/dialogue-with-mormon-missionaries

I don't know what you exactly believe, 20JC12, and I am by no means saying that you believe any of this just because your church teaches it. (I would be very interested in finding out exactly what you do believe about these things! :wink)  But, so far as I can tell, the above statements are a truthful representation of the official teachings of the Mormon church. You can see for yourself that they do not agree with the Biblical account.

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​As a Mormon I would agree with this. You'd do far better showing up at their door then you would showing up at their church. You won't get anywhere with it at the church. I've seen people try and trust me it goes nowhere.

​Thank you so much for that. I rather suspected that, but it will be a huge help for me to be able to tell my friend this from one who attends a Mormon church. :) 

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