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The one thing I have mentioned to some friends of mine who are believers and Masons, is to get them to think about one thing: While in the lower levels, the first three, (as is my understanding, anyways), they reveal to the person the meanings behind various symbols. When they achieve the next level, they are told that the meanings are actually not what they were told, but really, they are such-and-such. Then, upon reaching the third degree, they are once again reinterpreted to them.

​Sort of, but that's not entirely accurate. The first three degrees are a continuance of a single-story arc. At each successive degree, more and different symbols are introduced. I don't recall any reinterpretation of a particular symbol. The only things that really changed in meaning were the ways in which the apron was worn and the positioning of the square and compass; but these were progressive symbols that said something of the new degree attained. What you may be thinking of is the way they explain the meaning of each symbol. For example:

"The twenty-four inch gauge is an instrument made use of by operative Masons to measure and lay out their work; but we, as Free and Accepted Masons, are taught to make use of it for the more noble and glorious purpose of dividing their time; it being divided into twenty-four equal parts is emblematical of the twenty-four hours of the day, which we are taught to divide into three equal parts; whereby are found eight hours for the service of God and a distressed worthy brother; eight hours for their usual vocations; and eight for refreshment and sleep."

The discerning Christian should notice several unbiblical things here, but most people who go through this don't look below the surface. It's all done verbally and nothing is allowed to be written down. So when you hear it, most think "hey, he just said we have to make time for God. That sounds good and right. Next symbol please!"

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When I did the series on the subject, the main reference I used was "The Meaning Of Masonry: W. L. Wilmshurst:."

Wilmshurst wrote the book out of a despair over current Masons (1920's if I remember correctly) not knowing the "rich" symbolism and its meanings.

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The P2 lodge was based in Rome around the Vatican, and seemed to be involved in the Murder of "God's Banker" Roberto Calvi, under Blackfriars Bridge in London and possibly Pope John Paul 1st.  The death of Calvi was first recorded as suicide.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roberto_Calvi

When I asked the Mason I worked with what degree he was, he said "Don't believe all that stuff you read about degrees."  I did read some years ago that the Duke of Kent was a 32nd degree Mason but even he would not be privy to all the secrets of the organisation.  

 

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My father has been pretty absorbed with genealogy for the past fifty years or so and I help him with research from time to time.  Tonight, I just found out that my paternal great-grandfather, all of his brothers and several others in our paternal line, were high ranking Masons out of Louisville, Kentucky.  

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My witnessing compadres Uncle was a big shot Mason who accepted Christ on his death bed.  Basically what you find out in the highest degrees is they believe that Christ and the God of the Bible are the subordinate "lower" Gods and the highest is Lucifer.   What you get is the revelation at the very highest levels that Lucifer is God the lower levels you just are taught that all other gods are subordinate gods.  But you have to learn in the lower levels before that can be reveled to you.  In the highest degrees you get the secrets and that they believe Lucifer is God.  In a way its Biblical IN THAT LUCIFER DOES LEAD THE NATIONS ASTRAY.  What is meant by that is he's in the game for certain.   Basically in my opinion its witchcraft. 

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12 minutes ago, Potatochip said:

My witnessing compadres Uncle was a big shot Mason who accepted Christ on his death bed.  Basically what you find out in the highest degrees is they believe that Christ and the God of the Bible are the subordinate "lower" Gods and the highest is Lucifer.   What you get is the revelation at the very highest levels that Lucifer is God the lower levels you just are taught that all other gods are subordinate gods.  But you have to learn in the lower levels before that can be reveled to you.  In the highest degrees you get the secrets and that they believe Lucifer is God.  In a way its Biblical IN THAT LUCIFER DOES LEAD THE NATIONS ASTRAY.  What is meant by that is he's in the game for certain.   Basically in my opinion its witchcraft. 

Did you read this somewhere or is that what your "witnessing compadre" told you?  It's not meant to be a confrontation; I'm just wondering where you got that information.

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On 20/03/2017 at 11:59 PM, Brother Stafford said:

My father has been pretty absorbed with genealogy for the past fifty years or so and I help him with research from time to time.  Tonight, I just found out that my paternal great-grandfather, all of his brothers and several others in our paternal line were high ranking Masons out of Louisville, Kentucky.  

Thank you for that, brother.  Reading through this thread reminded me of the following:

I was passing out some tracts in a town about 30 miles from where I live (in the county of Kent, England) and I got talking to a Christian lady.  She asked me to pray for her husband who wasn't saved.  As we conversed further she told me that he was terrified of dying and had a recurring dream of the Angel of Death.  I asked her what kept him from getting saved and her reply was disturbing "He's a lawyer and a freemason; as a mason he gets a lot of business from fellow Masons.  He knows that if he got saved he would have to leave the Masons, and they would withdraw their business from him."

It seems that, having counted the cost of being a disciple of Christ, he wasn't prepared to pay it.

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On 6/3/2015 at 8:53 PM, DaveW said:

Joseph Smith was kicked out of the Masons apparently.

Maybe that is why there are many similarities?????

What is your source about Joseph Smith be kicked out of the Masons?

The third LDS President John Taylor (who was one of the two men in jail with Joseph and Hyrum when they were killed) was reportedly a master mason himself, and in his writings he claimed Joseph and his Brother Hyrum were masons in good standing at the time they died.

There is also a very famous portrait of Brigham Young with him wearing a mason pin on his shirt. The LDS church managed to photoshop it off in all official church pictures and publications.

You are absolutely correct about Joseph and the Freemason similarities in Mormonism. Most of the similarities are hidden away and kept secret in the LDS temples.

As an ex Mormon I found the post on page two of this thread where he mentions Lucifer being the secrect superior God interesting. The reason being that in the creation video of the initiatory before you receive your endowment in the LDS temple ceremony, their is subtle comment made by Satan to a Christian preacher that implies he himself is God. 

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My grandfather on my mother's side was a Mason as was my Dad's older brother.. I don't know of anyone else in my family. One of my Black preacher friends told me there are many masons in the Black churches; at least the ones he's affiliated with. My only dealings with them was when I gave a business associate of mine a pamphlet about the dangers of Masonry. Somehow it ended up at the lodge or at least was passed on because a few days later one of the Masons called me on the phone and gave me a good tongue lashing.

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13 hours ago, Brother Stafford said:

Did you read this somewhere or is that what your "witnessing compadre" told you?  It's not meant to be a confrontation; I'm just wondering where you got that information.

Simple facts.  Of course me and my witnessing brother discussed it.   His uncle was one of the top guys in his state with the Freemasons.  Do some research and you'll find out thats exactly what they believe.  All Gods are lesser gods thats in the lower levels and the ultimate revelation that Lucifer is their most high.  Reveled in the higher Mason degrees.  The other gods do his bidding. Basically its witchcraft in my opinion again.  Lucifer most certainly has a place with the governments of the earth.  Hard to dispute that also.  I would not play with it for certain.  I make no judgements.  I am only interested with salvation of the individual weather it be a witch or drug addict (same deal lol)   Killer or polygamist.  In arguing anything other than salvation.  Sometimes its necessary to have a working knowledge of what they are trapped in.  However Salvation in my opinion is sufficient in all situations.  People don't always say.............  I would never have anything to do with freemasons on a personal level and would avoid it.  I like being with saved wholly dedicated to Christ Christians and nothing else.  I do like preaching the Gospel however..... 

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11 minutes ago, Potatochip said:

Simple facts.  Of course me and my witnessing brother discussed it.   His uncle was one of the top guys in his state with the Freemasons.  Do some research and you'll find out thats exactly what they believe.  All Gods are lesser gods thats in the lower levels and the ultimate revelation that Lucifer is their most high.  Reveled in the higher Mason degrees.  The other gods do his bidding. Basically its witchcraft in my opinion again.  Lucifer most certainly has a place with the governments of the earth.  Hard to dispute that also.  I would not play with it for certain.  I make no judgements.  I am only interested with salvation of the individual weather it be a witch or drug addict (same deal lol)   Killer or polygamist.  In arguing anything other than salvation.  Sometimes its necessary to have a working knowledge of what they are trapped in.  However Salvation in my opinion is sufficient in all situations.  People don't always say.............  I would never have anything to do with freemasons on a personal level and would avoid it.  I like being with saved wholly dedicated to Christ Christians and nothing else.  I do like preaching the Gospel however..... 

I think the Church I am a member of would agree with you.

Its seems obvious the freemasons practice a form of spirituality, through ritual, ceremony, and secret levels of knowledge. That has all the marks of "religion", religion saves no one only a saving faith and relationship with Christ.

Having said that, I am certain there are saved ones in the Mason ranks, but I see nothing wrong with personally evangelizing them to make sure their faith is in Christ not Lodge.

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3 minutes ago, Disciple.Luke said:

I think the Church I am a member of would agree with you.

Its seems obvious the freemasons practice a form of spirituality, through ritual, ceremony, and secret levels of knowledge. That has all the marks of "religion", religion saves no one only a saving faith and relationship with Christ.

Having said that, I am certain there are saved ones in the Mason ranks, but I see nothing wrong with personally evangelizing them to make sure their faith is in Christ not Lodge.

Knowing what I know about them I wouldn't come within a country mile of that place lol.  Nor would I knowing associate with one on a personal level.  Weather they know whats going on or not.  Christ and salvation is the priority in my life.  

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There is a fellow named Bill Schnoebelen who was apparently, by his own testimony, a practicing high level witch who practiced vampirism, and a high level Mason. He reached a point, (apparently through the influence of some Christiand praying fervently for his salvation), where he wanted out. He had heard that the best way to get out was through the Mormons, (probably since they were just as bad anyways), so he became a Mormon. He found that, due to his Masonic past, he was able to be inducted into the temple mysteries very quickly, and advanced fast. While there, he began to study the KJV very seriously, and chose to avoid the other LDS books, much to the chagrin of the Mormon leadership. It was through study of the KJV Bible that he became convinced the LDS were wrong as well, and got saved and got out. Now he teaches a lot on the evils of Masonry and witchcraft and mormonism.

Supposedly, again according to his testimony, his hair and beard are white due to a ritual he performed while a witch where he encountered a devil and the experience turned his hair white, and his son, who was performing the ritual with him..disappeared-he never saw him again after the ritual. I don't know how much of what he says is true, but it is interesting nonetheless.

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47 minutes ago, Potatochip said:

Simple facts.  Of course me and my witnessing brother discussed it.   His uncle was one of the top guys in his state with the Freemasons.  Do some research and you'll find out thats exactly what they believe.

I know that I can do research myself.  I was asking you where you got your information.  Your answer seems to be that you're friend told you and a generic claim that the information is out there and commonly believed.

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weather it be a witch or drug addict (same deal lol)

Are you saying that all drug addicts are the same thing and vice versa or are you making an unkind joke at the expense of both of them? I ask this because I used to be a drug addict and was unaware that, according to you, I was also a witch at the same time.

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Ukulelemike -

Your friend is absolutely correct about evils behind Mormonism.

When you first join the church all you hear over and over is how great and peaceful going inside a temple is, but they a forbidden to talk about the actual rituals in public. Immediately they teach how to find your dead ancestors names to prepare to take to "new convert group baptisms". When I joined there wasn't a temple in Indiana yet, so a female convert, the Bishop, The High Priest group leader and myself made the trip to the Columbus, Ohio temple. The temples are beautiful on the outside but I will never forget how something felt terrible wrong once we got inside. If it would've just been me feeling that way I would've just brushed it off, but almost immediately the female convert whispered how it felt evil "like walking into a horror film".

Eventually I started searching the web looking for information about what happens during the other rituals, and that was the beginning of the end for me. I found out about the two secret handshakes you have to know to pass through the gates of heaven. And things like how the "sacred" undergarments (Mormon underwear) had Freemason type symbols embroidered on them. 

Ive experienced the life of being a Mormon and it's either the stupidest religion ever created by man, or false worship that originated in hell.

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55 minutes ago, Brother Stafford said:

I know that I can do research myself.  I was asking you where you got your information.  Your answer seems to be that you're friend told you and a generic claim that the information is out there and commonly believed.

Are you saying that all drug addicts are the same thing and vice versa or are you making an unkind joke at the expense of both of them? I ask this because I used to be a drug addict and was unaware that, according to you, I was also a witch at the same time.

 Study the bible and about narcotics pharmakeia I believe its called and freemasonry.  None of that fascinates me.  The web is great for research and youtube also.  Several people mentioned sources in this thread.  If you read back.  Its all there in the research when you find credible sources.  

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On ‎5‎/‎30‎/‎2015 at 8:28 PM, Old-Pilgrim said:

How many times are Christians warned against the cult of Freemasonry?

I can't remember ever hearing any warnings against Freemasonry from the pulpit. Other than one time I travelled about 35 miles to hear a guest speaker from the other side of the world.

Any views?

There are lots of Baptist men that are members of Freemasonry. The late Country Music Legend Roy Acuff who was a Born Again Baptist was a high ranking Free Mason. The late Country Music Legend Little Jimmy Dickens who was also a Born Again Baptist was also a high ranking Free Mason.

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