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My witnessing compadres Uncle was a big shot Mason who accepted Christ on his death bed.  Basically what you find out in the highest degrees is they believe that Christ and the God of the Bible are the subordinate "lower" Gods and the highest is Lucifer.   What you get is the revelation at the very highest levels that Lucifer is God the lower levels you just are taught that all other gods are subordinate gods.  But you have to learn in the lower levels before that can be reveled to you.  In the highest degrees you get the secrets and that they believe Lucifer is God.  In a way its Biblical IN THAT LUCIFER DOES LEAD THE NATIONS ASTRAY.  What is meant by that is he's in the game for certain.   Basically in my opinion its witchcraft. 

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12 minutes ago, Potatochip said:

My witnessing compadres Uncle was a big shot Mason who accepted Christ on his death bed.  Basically what you find out in the highest degrees is they believe that Christ and the God of the Bible are the subordinate "lower" Gods and the highest is Lucifer.   What you get is the revelation at the very highest levels that Lucifer is God the lower levels you just are taught that all other gods are subordinate gods.  But you have to learn in the lower levels before that can be reveled to you.  In the highest degrees you get the secrets and that they believe Lucifer is God.  In a way its Biblical IN THAT LUCIFER DOES LEAD THE NATIONS ASTRAY.  What is meant by that is he's in the game for certain.   Basically in my opinion its witchcraft. 

Did you read this somewhere or is that what your "witnessing compadre" told you?  It's not meant to be a confrontation; I'm just wondering where you got that information.

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On 20/03/2017 at 11:59 PM, Brother Stafford said:

My father has been pretty absorbed with genealogy for the past fifty years or so and I help him with research from time to time.  Tonight, I just found out that my paternal great-grandfather, all of his brothers and several others in our paternal line were high ranking Masons out of Louisville, Kentucky.  

Thank you for that, brother.  Reading through this thread reminded me of the following:

I was passing out some tracts in a town about 30 miles from where I live (in the county of Kent, England) and I got talking to a Christian lady.  She asked me to pray for her husband who wasn't saved.  As we conversed further she told me that he was terrified of dying and had a recurring dream of the Angel of Death.  I asked her what kept him from getting saved and her reply was disturbing "He's a lawyer and a freemason; as a mason he gets a lot of business from fellow Masons.  He knows that if he got saved he would have to leave the Masons, and they would withdraw their business from him."

It seems that, having counted the cost of being a disciple of Christ, he wasn't prepared to pay it.

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On 6/3/2015 at 8:53 PM, DaveW said:

Joseph Smith was kicked out of the Masons apparently.

Maybe that is why there are many similarities?????

What is your source about Joseph Smith be kicked out of the Masons?

The third LDS President John Taylor (who was one of the two men in jail with Joseph and Hyrum when they were killed) was reportedly a master mason himself, and in his writings he claimed Joseph and his Brother Hyrum were masons in good standing at the time they died.

There is also a very famous portrait of Brigham Young with him wearing a mason pin on his shirt. The LDS church managed to photoshop it off in all official church pictures and publications.

You are absolutely correct about Joseph and the Freemason similarities in Mormonism. Most of the similarities are hidden away and kept secret in the LDS temples.

As an ex Mormon I found the post on page two of this thread where he mentions Lucifer being the secrect superior God interesting. The reason being that in the creation video of the initiatory before you receive your endowment in the LDS temple ceremony, their is subtle comment made by Satan to a Christian preacher that implies he himself is God. 

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23 minutes ago, DaveW said:

Sorry mate - from two years ago?......

At the moment I have trouble remembering two weeks ago........

:lol:

Oh sorry man. I didn't pay any attention to your post date. I wrongly assumed since there were new posts it was started recently.

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My grandfather on my mother's side was a Mason as was my Dad's older brother.. I don't know of anyone else in my family. One of my Black preacher friends told me there are many masons in the Black churches; at least the ones he's affiliated with. My only dealings with them was when I gave a business associate of mine a pamphlet about the dangers of Masonry. Somehow it ended up at the lodge or at least was passed on because a few days later one of the Masons called me on the phone and gave me a good tongue lashing.

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13 hours ago, Brother Stafford said:

Did you read this somewhere or is that what your "witnessing compadre" told you?  It's not meant to be a confrontation; I'm just wondering where you got that information.

Simple facts.  Of course me and my witnessing brother discussed it.   His uncle was one of the top guys in his state with the Freemasons.  Do some research and you'll find out thats exactly what they believe.  All Gods are lesser gods thats in the lower levels and the ultimate revelation that Lucifer is their most high.  Reveled in the higher Mason degrees.  The other gods do his bidding. Basically its witchcraft in my opinion again.  Lucifer most certainly has a place with the governments of the earth.  Hard to dispute that also.  I would not play with it for certain.  I make no judgements.  I am only interested with salvation of the individual weather it be a witch or drug addict (same deal lol)   Killer or polygamist.  In arguing anything other than salvation.  Sometimes its necessary to have a working knowledge of what they are trapped in.  However Salvation in my opinion is sufficient in all situations.  People don't always say.............  I would never have anything to do with freemasons on a personal level and would avoid it.  I like being with saved wholly dedicated to Christ Christians and nothing else.  I do like preaching the Gospel however..... 

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11 minutes ago, Potatochip said:

Simple facts.  Of course me and my witnessing brother discussed it.   His uncle was one of the top guys in his state with the Freemasons.  Do some research and you'll find out thats exactly what they believe.  All Gods are lesser gods thats in the lower levels and the ultimate revelation that Lucifer is their most high.  Reveled in the higher Mason degrees.  The other gods do his bidding. Basically its witchcraft in my opinion again.  Lucifer most certainly has a place with the governments of the earth.  Hard to dispute that also.  I would not play with it for certain.  I make no judgements.  I am only interested with salvation of the individual weather it be a witch or drug addict (same deal lol)   Killer or polygamist.  In arguing anything other than salvation.  Sometimes its necessary to have a working knowledge of what they are trapped in.  However Salvation in my opinion is sufficient in all situations.  People don't always say.............  I would never have anything to do with freemasons on a personal level and would avoid it.  I like being with saved wholly dedicated to Christ Christians and nothing else.  I do like preaching the Gospel however..... 

I think the Church I am a member of would agree with you.

Its seems obvious the freemasons practice a form of spirituality, through ritual, ceremony, and secret levels of knowledge. That has all the marks of "religion", religion saves no one only a saving faith and relationship with Christ.

Having said that, I am certain there are saved ones in the Mason ranks, but I see nothing wrong with personally evangelizing them to make sure their faith is in Christ not Lodge.

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3 minutes ago, Disciple.Luke said:

I think the Church I am a member of would agree with you.

Its seems obvious the freemasons practice a form of spirituality, through ritual, ceremony, and secret levels of knowledge. That has all the marks of "religion", religion saves no one only a saving faith and relationship with Christ.

Having said that, I am certain there are saved ones in the Mason ranks, but I see nothing wrong with personally evangelizing them to make sure their faith is in Christ not Lodge.

Knowing what I know about them I wouldn't come within a country mile of that place lol.  Nor would I knowing associate with one on a personal level.  Weather they know whats going on or not.  Christ and salvation is the priority in my life.  

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There is a fellow named Bill Schnoebelen who was apparently, by his own testimony, a practicing high level witch who practiced vampirism, and a high level Mason. He reached a point, (apparently through the influence of some Christiand praying fervently for his salvation), where he wanted out. He had heard that the best way to get out was through the Mormons, (probably since they were just as bad anyways), so he became a Mormon. He found that, due to his Masonic past, he was able to be inducted into the temple mysteries very quickly, and advanced fast. While there, he began to study the KJV very seriously, and chose to avoid the other LDS books, much to the chagrin of the Mormon leadership. It was through study of the KJV Bible that he became convinced the LDS were wrong as well, and got saved and got out. Now he teaches a lot on the evils of Masonry and witchcraft and mormonism.

Supposedly, again according to his testimony, his hair and beard are white due to a ritual he performed while a witch where he encountered a devil and the experience turned his hair white, and his son, who was performing the ritual with him..disappeared-he never saw him again after the ritual. I don't know how much of what he says is true, but it is interesting nonetheless.

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47 minutes ago, Potatochip said:

Simple facts.  Of course me and my witnessing brother discussed it.   His uncle was one of the top guys in his state with the Freemasons.  Do some research and you'll find out thats exactly what they believe.

I know that I can do research myself.  I was asking you where you got your information.  Your answer seems to be that you're friend told you and a generic claim that the information is out there and commonly believed.

51 minutes ago, Potatochip said:

weather it be a witch or drug addict (same deal lol)

Are you saying that all drug addicts are the same thing and vice versa or are you making an unkind joke at the expense of both of them? I ask this because I used to be a drug addict and was unaware that, according to you, I was also a witch at the same time.

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Ukulelemike -

Your friend is absolutely correct about evils behind Mormonism.

When you first join the church all you hear over and over is how great and peaceful going inside a temple is, but they a forbidden to talk about the actual rituals in public. Immediately they teach how to find your dead ancestors names to prepare to take to "new convert group baptisms". When I joined there wasn't a temple in Indiana yet, so a female convert, the Bishop, The High Priest group leader and myself made the trip to the Columbus, Ohio temple. The temples are beautiful on the outside but I will never forget how something felt terrible wrong once we got inside. If it would've just been me feeling that way I would've just brushed it off, but almost immediately the female convert whispered how it felt evil "like walking into a horror film".

Eventually I started searching the web looking for information about what happens during the other rituals, and that was the beginning of the end for me. I found out about the two secret handshakes you have to know to pass through the gates of heaven. And things like how the "sacred" undergarments (Mormon underwear) had Freemason type symbols embroidered on them. 

Ive experienced the life of being a Mormon and it's either the stupidest religion ever created by man, or false worship that originated in hell.

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55 minutes ago, Brother Stafford said:

I know that I can do research myself.  I was asking you where you got your information.  Your answer seems to be that you're friend told you and a generic claim that the information is out there and commonly believed.

Are you saying that all drug addicts are the same thing and vice versa or are you making an unkind joke at the expense of both of them? I ask this because I used to be a drug addict and was unaware that, according to you, I was also a witch at the same time.

 Study the bible and about narcotics pharmakeia I believe its called and freemasonry.  None of that fascinates me.  The web is great for research and youtube also.  Several people mentioned sources in this thread.  If you read back.  Its all there in the research when you find credible sources.  

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On ‎5‎/‎30‎/‎2015 at 8:28 PM, Old-Pilgrim said:

How many times are Christians warned against the cult of Freemasonry?

I can't remember ever hearing any warnings against Freemasonry from the pulpit. Other than one time I travelled about 35 miles to hear a guest speaker from the other side of the world.

Any views?

There are lots of Baptist men that are members of Freemasonry. The late Country Music Legend Roy Acuff who was a Born Again Baptist was a high ranking Free Mason. The late Country Music Legend Little Jimmy Dickens who was also a Born Again Baptist was also a high ranking Free Mason.

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1 hour ago, John Yurich said:

There are lots of Baptist men that are members of Freemasonry. The late Country Music Legend Roy Acuff who was a Born Again Baptist was a high ranking Free Mason. The late Country Music Legend Little Jimmy Dickens who was also a Born Again Baptist was also a high ranking Free Mason.

If they were masons I doubt if they were born again.

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No, I can't believe someone can be saved and remain a Mason, unless they are in such a low "degree" or whatever, that they don't realize the evil in it.  My Uncle Ray was also a Mason. But my Dad witnessed to him and, later in life, Uncle Ray was saved. I saw the change and the fruit in his life. Praise God!

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20 hours ago, Invicta said:

If they were masons I doubt if they were born again.

What arrogance. Acuff's and Dickens Baptist minister's stated at their funerals that Acuff and Dickens were Born Again and were Baptized via immersion in the Baptist Church. If anybody knew about Acuff's and Dicken's spiritual states it would have been their ministers.

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5 hours ago, John Yurich said:

What arrogance. Acuff's and Dickens Baptist minister's stated at their funerals that Acuff and Dickens were Born Again and were Baptized via immersion in the Baptist Church. If anybody knew about Acuff's and Dicken's spiritual states it would have been their ministers.

Would you like to explain your reasoning in that post.

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6 hours ago, John Yurich said:

Acuff's and Dickens Baptist minister's stated at their funerals that Acuff and Dickens were Born Again and were Baptized via immersion in the Baptist Church. If anybody knew about Acuff's and Dicken's spiritual states it would have been their ministers.

Maybe I'm wrong, but ministers don't know everything about their members or their member's spiritual states. They may have some indication...or a good bit of indication...but they don't know everything. As to their funerals, I don't think it would have gone over very well if the ministers would have spent time reproving Acuff and Dickens for their involvement in Masonry (or any other sin) during their funerals. 

Friend, I know it's hard to believe that people we look up to, admire, or adore have things that aren't worthy of looking up to, admiring, or adoring...but men are men. They sin. They do things they shouldn't. Graham was involved with things he shouldn't have been from the time he started. He was ecumenical from the outset. It just wasn't as obvious then...

Let's get our eyes off of man...realizing that ALL men sin...no matter how famous, esteemed, or popular they are in the realm of Christianity and the world. 

The Lord Jesus Christ is who we should look to...not Graham, Acuff, Dickens, or Krauss. :)

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18 hours ago, Invicta said:

Would you like to explain your reasoning in that post.

Before one is Baptized via immersion in a Baptist Church they have to state to the minister that they gave their life to Christ. And thus if Acuff and Dickens were Baptized via immersion in Baptist Churches then they stated to their ministers that they gave their lives to Christ.

17 hours ago, No Nicolaitans said:

Maybe I'm wrong, but ministers don't know everything about their members or their member's spiritual states. They may have some indication...or a good bit of indication...but they don't know everything. As to their funerals, I don't think it would have gone over very well if the ministers would have spent time reproving Acuff and Dickens for their involvement in Masonry (or any other sin) during their funerals. 

Friend, I know it's hard to believe that people we look up to, admire, or adore have things that aren't worthy of looking up to, admiring, or adoring...but men are men. They sin. They do things they shouldn't. Graham was involved with things he shouldn't have been from the time he started. He was ecumenical from the outset. It just wasn't as obvious then...

Let's get our eyes off of man...realizing that ALL men sin...no matter how famous, esteemed, or popular they are in the realm of Christianity and the world. 

The Lord Jesus Christ is who we should look to...not Graham, Acuff, Dickens, or Krauss. :)

Acuff and Dickens Baptist ministers of course knew that they were involved in Masonry(Both Acuff and Dickens were 33rd Degree Masons) but their ministers stated during their funerals that they were Born Again and had an intimate relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ and thus were saved regardless of their involvement with Masonry.

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1 hour ago, John Yurich said:

Acuff and Dickens Baptist ministers of course knew that they were involved in Masonry(Both Acuff and Dickens were 33rd Degree Masons) but their ministers stated during their funerals that they were Born Again and had an intimate relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ and thus were saved regardless of their involvement with Masonry.

Okay.

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On 5/31/2015 at 5:36 PM, OLD fashioned preacher said:

About 2 years ago I did a series on Free Masonry, followed by Islam, followed by Mormonism -- many, many parallels and similarities within them.

Oh, yes, the similarities. Joseph Smith, founder of Mormonism, borrowed heavily from Freemasonry, introducing it into his religion. The things they do in their temple mimics the Mason's initiation. Although Mormons will often deny this and say their temples are of God as revealed to Smith.

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On 5/30/2015 at 10:27 PM, No Nicolaitans said:

Here in Georgia (my area at least), the churches are full of Masons...FULL.

Laymen, teachers, deacons, and pastors...the churches are FULL of Masons and Eastern Star members. The general view is that Masonry is a "christian" organization, but when you point out the inconsistencies with Masonry and the Bible, it falls on deaf ears and you're quickly seen as a troublemaker.

I can't tell you how many times I've shaken hands during "fellowship time" at different churches and received the sissy, limp-grip, thumb-between-the-knuckle Masonic handshake. Makes my skin crawl...

Two things I learned early in my preaching...

If you want to have preaching opportunities where I live, then don't ever preach against...

  1. Masons
  2. Democrats

Been a while since I've been invited to preach anywhere around here... :scratchchin:   :nuts:

In Tennessee & Kentucky you don't preach against moonshine either!   

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