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      Psalms 119:1-8                                         Sep. 5 - Oct. 2, 2019
      1 ALEPH. Blessed are the undefiled in the way, who walk in the law of the LORD.
      2 Blessed are they that keep his testimonies, and that seek him with the whole heart.
      3 They also do no iniquity: they walk in his ways.
      4 Thou hast commanded us to keep thy precepts diligently.
      5 O that my ways were directed to keep thy statutes!
      6 Then shall I not be ashamed, when I have respect unto all thy commandments.
      7 I will praise thee with uprightness of heart, when I shall have learned thy righteous judgments.
      8 I will keep thy statutes: O forsake me not utterly.
      The following verse stood out to me...
      5 O that my ways were directed to keep thy statutes!
      At first glance it seemed to me this person’s soul is poured out with intense desire to have God’s direction in keeping His Word.
      I made a small wood fire in our backyard for my granddaughter, Julia, since she would be staying overnight with us. My wife and Julia stayed outside at the fire for about half an hour. Then, I found myself alone to watch the fire die out on a particularly lovely evening. So I took my verse from above and began to repeat it for memorization. As I repeated the verse, I tried to contemplate the words and apply them to what I was seeing around me. 
      The moon and stars were out now peering through the scattered clouds above.
      [Genesis 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. Genesis 1:17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, Genesis 1:18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.]
      Thought 1         
      The moon has stayed his course since the day God created him, also the stars, obeying the statutes directed by God from the first day they were created. Can you imagine God’s direction to the Moon and stars, “moon you will have a path through the sky above the earth, stars you will occupy the firmament above the moon and be clearly visible in the cloudless night sky.”
      Then, the trees, grass, even the air we breathe obey the statues God gave them from the beginning. None of these creations have souls, none have hearts, none have intelligence, but they all observe God’s statutes, His instructions for their limited time on earth.
      Thought 2
      What if we were like the moon, stars, trees, grass, or the other creations which have no soul? We would be directed to keep God’s statutes without choosing to keep them. This is not the image of God, there would be no dominion over other creatures, or over the earth. We would not be capable of experiencing the joy and peace of learning the love of God
      Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
      Philippians 4:7 And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.
      Thought 3 (October 2, 2019)
      Is the psalmist pleading God to force God’s statutes to become the man’s ways? No, he is speaking of his own failure in keeping God’s statutes and his desire to keep them, very much like Paul in Romans 7:14-25.
      God doesn’t work through force to turn men from their ways that they would desire His statutes or desire God Himself. Men must reject (repent) put aside his own ways and voluntarily seek God and His statutes.

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There are many true Christians that go by the title of Reverend.  The esteemed Reverend TI Cooper, Reverend Pastor JJ Hunter  (although he goes by Pastor Hunter Sr.) who founded The True Christian Church of Jesus (formerly the Antibaptist of Pensacola) to which I belong, the great Reverend Pastor Cal Smith, or the Reverend Jon Schultz, and many others.

Regarding Ps 111:9, there is no implication that God's name is the only thing to which word reverend (not capitalized, btw) can be applied, as I explained previously.

​That is the bottom of your problems Bob. You revere men and have been indoctrinated into their interpretations of Scripture.

Get away from these dudes and into the Book and you will see far more clearly. You use terms like esteemed and great in describing dudes who wrote books I suppose making merchandise of God and those became your bible, setting aside God's Word to learn the words of muttenheads (perhaps you specifically didn't but generally speaking that is usually what happens when dudes put dudes above other dudes) they seek their interpretations instead of the Spirit.

Reverend is a worldly term used primarily by the lost to identify religious hirelings. It is not a term God gave for his preachers and teachers. I have no interest in what any reverend says about any subject and neither should anyone (lost or saved)

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There are many true Christians that go by the title of Reverend.  The esteemed Reverend TI Cooper, Reverend Pastor JJ Hunter  (although he goes by Pastor Hunter Sr.) who founded The True Christian Church of Jesus (formerly the Antibaptist of Pensacola) to which I belong, the great Reverend Pastor Cal Smith, or the Reverend Jon Schultz, and many others.

Regarding Ps 111:9, there is no implication that God's name is the only thing to which word reverend (not capitalized, btw) can be applied, as I explained previously.

​Hijacking here for a sec... hey, RevBob, does your church have a website? I've never of heard of one with that name before and it got me curious. :wink

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​Hijacking here for a sec... hey, RevBob, does your church have a website? I've never of heard of one with that name before and it got me curious. :wink

​Agreed with the website question, I spent 4 years in the Escambia, Santa Rosa county areas of Fl at one point, 18 more years at another. I know of Jerry Hunter; Lyle Hunter, Sr; Lyle Hunter, Jr; Pensacola Mennonite Church.

I've known some of unusual names such as Saint John the Baptist Church, First Corinthians Baptist, Church of the Open Door but never heard of "Antibaptist of Pensacola" nor an Anabaptist church that was "Doctrines of Grace" as  you claim (if I recall correctly) to be.

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When I pastored my first church, (lasted a year, if that's any indication of where this is going), and I gotta say, I REALLY liked using the title of Reverend; 'Rev. Reed', that was me! And everyone knew it. I even got a tab at the local little restaurant. It didn't take too long for the Lord to show me the pride in my heart. I failed miserably in that area and turned the new little work over to another pastor. (he ended up closing it down).

Today I don't even encourage people to call me 'Pastor" or "Pastor Mike or Reed" because Pastor is not, biblically-speaking, a title, it is descriptive of what we do-it means 'shepherd', so, just as I raise goats, but am not generally called "Goatherd Mike", so it makes no sense to say "Pastor Mike" either. The same with Apostle or Bishop or Evangelist or Elder or Deacon-all are descriptive terms, not titles. Unless one is an Apostle of the Lamb, of which there are only 12, so that can be a title for them. It always irritates me faintly when I see flyers for meetings with special guest speaker Prophet Larry Jones or Evangelist Curly Howard or Apostle Stymie Goatudder.

For me, brother Mike, or just Mike, are fine.

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I use Brother, Some call me Pastor in the same way that on job sites I get called Electrician or a student may call me Mr. Bus Driver (since I do that part time, too). Someone may address a person as Teacher but not Pastor (insert name), Electrician (insert name), Teacher (insert name) etc.

If I'm not your pastor, why call me Pastor (some in this town do)? If I call a church member on the phone, I'll say "Hey, this is Preacher" because it's shorter than Bro. (my name) (I know, they have caller ID but remember my location is "under a rock").

I don't call ANY preacher by Reverend, Doctor or Father. The librarian at the public High School here obtained her Doctorate (good job, congrats) but insists on being called "Doctor ______", she won't get it from this little grey duck!

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​Agreed with the website question, I spent 4 years in the Escambia, Santa Rosa county areas of Fl at one point, 18 more years at another. I know of Jerry Hunter; Lyle Hunter, Sr; Lyle Hunter, Jr; Pensacola Mennonite Church.

I've known some of unusual names such as Saint John the Baptist Church, First Corinthians Baptist, Church of the Open Door but never heard of "Antibaptist of Pensacola" nor an Anabaptist church that was "Doctrines of Grace" as  you claim (if I recall correctly) to be.

​We don't have a web site.  We used to, but we preach to all manner of most unsavory characters, and we decided to discontinue web sites for safety reasons.

And we are not Anabaptist, nor are we any longer Antibaptist--haven't been for a long time.  Our fellowship of churches was started by Reverend Pastor JJ Hunter (Sr.) in early 70's as Antibaptist Church of Pensacola.  He realized that most Baptists became corrupt and no longer followed the Christian Bible, but man-made traditions and "interpretations".  After his protests fell on deaf ears, he decided to have a baptist reformation of sorts, withdrew from SBC, and renamed the church to Antibaptist to show his disagreement.

The particular points of disagreement were over the pervasive racism amongst mainstream baptists at the time (unBiblical), liberal attitudes towards abortion and abortionism (we are against abortion because we believe that unborn babies go to Hell, and we won't stand for that), allowing women to speak in church, and liberal attitudes towards premartial relations and secular "dating", and several other issues.  Pastor Hunter distinguished himself for preaching to both the KKK and the Bob Jones crowd, and leading many from amongst these to Salvation.  However, in 1975, Pastor Hunter realized that not all Baptists are liberal or unChristian, and decided to rename the church to True Christian Church of Jesus to designate our dedication to true Biblical Christianity and Jesus.  At the same time the church was relocated to Kansas because of some land disputes with Bob Jones and his gang of liberals. 

Now there are seven churches in our fellowship, in several different states, plus one affiliated church in Iowa.  We don't do web sites.  We don't do bus ministries.  We don't allow satanists in our churches.  We do minister to all kinds of heathens from runaways in California and harlots in Nevada to Mooslims in Michigan and Tennessee to KKK and Nation of Islam in Indiana.  We preach the true Gospel, and not some politically correct version of thereof.  We tell people that they go to hell and that Jesus hates them, but it doesn't have to be that way.  We also fellowship and support each other, and actively teach the Bible and enforce Biblical ways within our churches and homes.

In a nutshell, that's the church I belong to and what we're about.

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​We don't have a web site.  We used to, but we preach to all manner of most unsavory characters, and we decided to discontinue web sites for safety reasons.

And we are not Anabaptist, nor are we any longer Antibaptist--haven't been for a long time.  Our fellowship of churches was started by Reverend Pastor JJ Hunter (Sr.) in early 70's as Antibaptist Church of Pensacola.  He realized that most Baptists became corrupt and no longer followed the Christian Bible, but man-made traditions and "interpretations".  After his protests fell on deaf ears, he decided to have a baptist reformation of sorts, withdrew from SBC, and renamed the church to Antibaptist to show his disagreement.

The particular points of disagreement were over the pervasive racism amongst mainstream baptists at the time (unBiblical), liberal attitudes towards abortion and abortionism (we are against abortion because we believe that unborn babies go to Hell, and we won't stand for that), allowing women to speak in church, and liberal attitudes towards premartial relations and secular "dating", and several other issues.  Pastor Hunter distinguished himself for preaching to both the KKK and the Bob Jones crowd, and leading many from amongst these to Salvation.  However, in 1975, Pastor Hunter realized that not all Baptists are liberal or unChristian, and decided to rename the church to True Christian Church of Jesus to designate our dedication to true Biblical Christianity and Jesus.  At the same time the church was relocated to Kansas because of some land disputes with Bob Jones and his gang of liberals. 

Now there are seven churches in our fellowship, in several different states, plus one affiliated church in Iowa.  We don't do web sites.  We don't do bus ministries.  We don't allow satanists in our churches.  We do minister to all kinds of heathens from runaways in California and harlots in Nevada to Mooslims in Michigan and Tennessee to KKK and Nation of Islam in Indiana.  We preach the true Gospel, and not some politically correct version of thereof.  We tell people that they go to hell and that Jesus hates them, but it doesn't have to be that way.  We also fellowship and support each other, and actively teach the Bible and enforce Biblical ways within our churches and homes.

In a nutshell, that's the church I belong to and what we're about.

​Sounds kinda like a mormon compound and I am guessing most your membership were lured away from real Churches with the promise of NOT having to witness and win souls. "What a relief, sure we'll join up" cause they follow calvin, not Jesus.

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​Sounds kinda like a mormon compound and I am guessing most your membership were lured away from real Churches with the promise of NOT having to witness and win souls. "What a relief, sure we'll join up" cause they follow calvin, not Jesus.

​Sounds like you need to develop reading comprehension skills.  As I wrote earlier:

We do minister to all kinds of heathens from runaways in California and harlots in Nevada to Mooslims in Michigan and Tennessee to KKK and Nation of Islam in Indiana.  We preach the true Gospel, and not some politically correct version of thereof. 

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What is obvious is that whilst you obviously have a great deal of respect for yourself, you care nothing for the people you are trying to reach.

That is obvious by your degrading terminology you use to refer to them.

But since your god knows nothing about genuine love, that is hardly surprising.

Call yourself "Reverend" while calling them things like "harlots" and "mooslims" - I am sure they listen to you too.

 

Funny, I thought our Lord humbled Himself.........

 

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Stymie Goatudder? hahahahahaha RevBob The Bible says that "God commendeth His love toward us...WHILE we were yet sinners" and in another place "He first loved us". John 3:16 says "for God so loved the world....". and in the Book of Matthew (I think) it says if we love our enemies, that we are behaving LIKE GOD.

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  We tell people that they go to hell and that Jesus hates them, but it doesn't have to be that way.  We also fellowship and support each other, and actively teach the Bible and enforce Biblical ways within our churches and homes.

In a nutshell, that's the church I belong to and what we're about.

​So, I'm not sure where this is found in scripture, but, as was mentioned above, God commendeth His love toward us in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. JOhn 3:16 says "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son..." The 'world', is the lost, in this context. God loved us when we were lost, unsaved and on the way to hell. So, to tell people God hates them, but he wants to love them and save them, is absolutely unscriptural. Seriously, would you be inclined to marry someone who said, "Well, I hate you as you are, but if you married me, I would love you."  Got hates sin, but loves sinners, sent His Son Jesus Christ to die for them, for US. His love for man isn't predicated on our acceptance of Him because He loved us before we loved Him.

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We preach the true Gospel, and not some politically correct version of thereof.  We tell people that they go to hell and that Jesus hates them, but it doesn't have to be that way.  We also fellowship and support each other, and actively teach the Bible and enforce Biblical ways within our churches and homes.

​So, I'm not sure where this is found in scripture, but, as was mentioned above, God commendeth His love toward us in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. JOhn 3:16 says "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son..." The 'world', is the lost, in this context. God loved us when we were lost, unsaved and on the way to hell. So, to tell people God hates them, but he wants to love them and save them, is absolutely unscriptural. Seriously, would you be inclined to marry someone who said, "Well, I hate you as you are, but if you married me, I would love you."  Got hates sin, but loves sinners, sent His Son Jesus Christ to die for them, for US. His love for man isn't predicated on our acceptance of Him because He loved us before we loved Him.

​I was going to say something like this, but Mike beat me to it. I'll just piggyback with another verse...

John 15:13 - "Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends"

Perhaps I need to read the Gospels again, but I don't recall Jesus ever going around telling people that He hated them. If you actively read and taught the Bible, you'd have compassion for the lost instead of disdain. You sound more like a Westboro member than you do a Christian.

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I'm not familiar with RevBob, but the words he uses are used in the Bible. Harlot, whoremonger, drunkards, sodomites and more are all used to describe sinners. I see nothing wrong in using these words. But I don't believe God hates anyone either. 

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​So, I'm not sure where this is found in scripture, but, as was mentioned above, God commendeth His love toward us in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. JOhn 3:16 says "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son..." The 'world', is the lost, in this context. God loved us when we were lost, unsaved and on the way to hell. So, to tell people God hates them, but he wants to love them and save them, is absolutely unscriptural. Seriously, would you be inclined to marry someone who said, "Well, I hate you as you are, but if you married me, I would love you."  Got hates sin, but loves sinners, sent His Son Jesus Christ to die for them, for US. His love for man isn't predicated on our acceptance of Him because He loved us before we loved Him.

​I was going to say something like this, but Mike beat me to it. I'll just piggyback with another verse...

John 15:13 - "Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends"

Perhaps I need to read the Gospels again, but I don't recall Jesus ever going around telling people that He hated them. If you actively read and taught the Bible, you'd have compassion for the lost instead of disdain. You sound more like a Westboro member than you do a Christian.

He bases his "God hates them" on Psalm 5:5, and using John 3:16 to prove that God loves sinners doesn't apply to today (according to him), because the verb "loved" is past tense. This was all covered in this thread --> http://www.onlinebaptist.com/home/topic/23437-soulwinning-teens-and-young-people/

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​He bases his "God hates them" on Psalm 5:5, and using John 3:16 to prove that God loves sinners doesn't apply to today (according to him), because the verb "loved" is past tense. This was all covered in this thread --> http://www.onlinebaptist.com/home/topic/23437-soulwinning-teens-and-young-people/

​Ah...I hadn't actually read that one. Makes sense now. I guess none of us are going to heaven then since Rom 5:8 used the past tense. We weren't born and therefore not sinners yet when Christ died for us. He must've only died for people who were sinners back then...

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The Bible says that a soft answer turneth away wrath but grievous words stir up anger. I'm glad that the preacher who preached the morning I got saved, did it with a quiver in his voice and tears of love and compassion on his face. I not only realized I was a wicked sinner deserving of Hell, but that Jesus was real and really loved me. That's a far cry from insulting people with a smirk on your face.

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I'm not familiar with RevBob, but the words he uses are used in the Bible. Harlot, whoremonger, drunkards, sodomites and more are all used to describe sinners. I see nothing wrong in using these words. But I don't believe God hates anyone either. 

Miss Daisy, it is not so much the terms, but the way they are used.

He uses them in a derogatory way, while the Bible uses them as descriptives.

He thinks he is better than them, and talks down to them (see the thread linked above by NN), while Paul reminds us that "such were some of you" for instance.

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Miss Daisy, it is not so much the terms, but the way they are used.

He uses them in a derogatory way, while the Bible uses them as descriptives.

He thinks he is better than them, and talks down to them (see the thread linked above by NN), while Paul reminds us that "such were some of you" for instance.

​You don't know what I think, and ought to stop putting words in mouth that were never there.  I do believe in Unconditional Election, so no I don't believe there is anything about me that's inherently better.  Any goodness in Elect comes from Jesus, not from them.

 

And I did use those words descriptively.

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