Members Popular Post John Young Posted March 31, 2015 Members Popular Post Share Posted March 31, 2015 (edited) If we go solely on the scriptures and not on extra-biblical sources we see:ANGELS NEVER WERE SONS Hebrews Chapter 1 makes it clear that the angels at no time were called sons. Hebrews 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?Hebrews 1:13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool? 14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation? Only the sons are heirs to salvation. Angels minister to the heirs but are not sons themselves. Both Genesis and Job and etc. are referring to the saved people of earth. Additionally if God meant "ANGELS" he would have said angels. The word is present in Genesis 11 times singular and 4 plural and in Job once plural (4:17). And in every instant of "Sons of God" in the N.T. never refers to angels but rather those who walk in the spirit of Christ. THE SONS OF GOD OF GENESIS 6 To understand Genesis 6 we should never go outside of context to find the context. Rather we should see it as an integrated part of the passages around it. In Genesis 6 it is plain that God is striving with man not some angel hybrid. Genesis 6:1-8 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, 2 that the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. 3 And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. 4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. 6 And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. 7 And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them. 8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord. Read starting with Cain in Chapter 4:16. Cain went out from the presence of the Lord, and dwelt in the land of Nod and built a banished civilization in the wilderness. Cain's descendants did not walk with God and ended with Lamach threatening seven times violence on others who would try to punish him in the manner of Cain. In V.26 we see that the men remaining with Adam and God began to call on the LORD. 16 And Cain went out from the presence of the Lord, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden. 17 And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.23 And Lamech said unto his wives, Adah and Zillah, Hear my voice; ye wives of Lamech, hearken unto my speech: for I have slain a man to my wounding, and a young man to my hurt. 24 If Cain shall be avenged sevenfold, truly Lamech seventy and sevenfold.25 And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.26 And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the Lord. In Chapter 5 we see Adam's line beginning over, excluding Cain's line and Abel. Cain's line is no longer counted as part of God's descendant through Adam even though they still existed as men. Notice carefully How the new line is called after God's and Adam's image up to Noah who was perfect in his "generations". Also notice that besides Christ Adam is also called the son of God in Luke 3: 22,38. Genesis 5 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him; 2 male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created. 3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:32 And Noah was five hundred years old: and Noah begat Shem, Ham, and Japheth.Genesis 6:9 These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God. Luke 3:22 and the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased. 23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli,....38 which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God. 1 Corinthians 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. Then in Chapter 6 "God's Sons" go to the "daughters of men". This is God's Holy Men taking wives of the banished Cain women. The Spiritual taking the fleshly. 4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the samebecame mighty men which were of old, men of renown. Because the lines were separate and pure from each other until 6:4, Cain's line had 50% or so of all genetic code material and Adam/Seth's line had the other half. This caused a genetic Heterosis effect (sometimes called hybrid vigor) in the descendants of the combined lines. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heterosishttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD6vpheUoPE God's people are referenced taking lost women several times later also. When Balaam recommended the locals intermarry with Israel (Numbers 31:16) and when the people returned from Babylonian exile(Ezra 10:2). In each instance it was referred as God's men with non-godly women. Never does the bible say lost men taking God's women or God's wemon taking ungodly men. There is clear president that "God's men" are responsible for this type of action. Not God's angels. Numbers 31:16 Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the Lord in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the Lord.Ezra 10:2 And Shechaniah the son of Jehiel, one of the sons of Elam, answered and said unto Ezra, We have trespassed against our God, and have taken strange wives of the people of the land: yet now there is hope in Israel concerning this thing. ANGELS CANNOT MATE WITH HUMANSAccording to scripture Kinds and Glories of God's creation that cannot crossover and mate with another Kind or Glory. Neither can we observe such things happening in secular history or modern times. There are none and yet we are asked to believe that God who formed us out of the ground would make us genetically compatible to Angels which are not even part of earth's creation?! Genesis 1:11-25, 1 Corinthians 15:35-44 Genesis 1:11-25 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so. 12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good. 13 And the evening and the morning were the third day..... 24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so. 25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.Genesis 2:7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.Hebrews 2:16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.1 Corinthians 15:37 and that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain: 38 but God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body. 39 All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds. 40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory. 42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: 43 it is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: 44 it is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.THE VIRGIN BIRTH OF CHRISTIf angels could "mate" with humans it would make the virgin birth suspect. If following after offspring of angels cause God to destroy the world in flood how then can we know this is not what is happening again with Mary's child whom Gabriel could have mated? Or perhaps Beelzebub came to Mary. As he supposedly did with Eve to have cain. Whose Child? It is clear in scripture the only Spirit which ever "mated" with a human was when God manifest Himself in the flesh of Christ Jesus. For it is only God who can create life. Psalm 104:30 Thou sendest forth thy spirit, they are created: and thou renewest the face of the earth.Luke 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.Hebrews 2:16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham. THE SONS OF GOD IN JOB Job is referencing God's people coming before God in prayer, offerings, and supplication. (Hebrews 4:16, 12:22-24.) Satan was not one of these "Sons" but "came also among them". Satans purpose was to accuse the "Sons". (Revelation 12:10) Job 1:5-7 And it was so, when the days of their feasting were gone about, that Job sent and sanctified them, and rose up early in the morning, and offered burnt offerings according to the number of them all: for Job said, It may be that my sons have sinned, and cursed God in their hearts. Thus did Job continually. 6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them. 7 And the Lord said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.Deuteronomy 29:10 Ye stand this day all of you before the Lord your God; your captains of your tribes, your elders, and your officers, with all the men of Israel,1 Samuel 10:19b ... Now therefore present yourselves before the Lord by your tribes, and by your thousands.Jeremiah 36:7 It may be they will present their supplication before the Lord, and will return every one from his evil way: for great is the anger and the fury that the Lord hath pronounced against this people.Daniel 9:20 And whiles I was speaking, and praying, and confessing my sin and the sin of my people Israel, and presenting my supplication before the Lord my God for the holy mountain of my God; Hebrews 4:16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.Hebrews 12:22-24 but ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, 23 to the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, 24 and to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.Revelation 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. THE SONS OF GOD IN GOD'S DISCOURSE TO JOB Job 38:4-7 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding. 5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it? 6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof; 7 when the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? Some think these verses are one whole question referring to the creation of the earth and logic is used to say Man did not exist yet so this "must be" angels. But the passage does not say this. Notice the passage is actually five separate questions. They were not present at creation but the were present when the "Corner stone" was laid. In the Bible every time we see "Corner stone" in scripture we see it is only ever referring to Christ. Christ became this Cornerstone at his resurrection and this is when "the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy." Isaiah 28:16 therefore thus saith the Lord God, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste.Matthew 21:42 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord’s doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?Ephesians 2:20 and are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;1 Peter 2 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded. THE REAL FALLEN ANGELSGod's angels have always done God's will. Those that do not the will of God are the Devil's angels which fell with Satan when he was cursed for deceiving the woman in the garden of Eden and turning the heart humanity from God. This is what Jude and Peter are referencing. They are not referencing the "Sons of God" from Gen 6. Genesis 3:14-16 And the Lord God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:15 and I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. 16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.Jude 6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.2 Peter 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; Matthew 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire,prepared for the devil and his angels:CONCLUSION: The myth that "the Sons of God are Angels " is not actually found or stated ANYWHERE in the bible. It is derived from a Jewish Fable self imposed on scripture and spread in ignorance of the context of ACTUAL scripture. If we study the bible without the help of this myth and others like it we will see the true facts unfold. The New Testament is very clear the "Son's of God" refer only to the Saved Human Race. What is true of the "Son" is true of the "Sons" as we are co-heirs with Christ. The Angels are not co-heirs with Christ but rather ministers to the Sons. John 1:12-14 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God,even to them that believe on his name: 13 which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.Romans 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: 17 and if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.Galatians 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. Edited April 1, 2015 by John Young Rebecca, heartstrings, Alan and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members 1Timothy115 Posted March 31, 2015 Members Share Posted March 31, 2015 I like it. Under your subheading "THE REAL FALLEN ANGELS" you meant 'woman' not 'women' I still like it, good studying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Alan Posted March 31, 2015 Members Share Posted March 31, 2015 (edited) Excellent study of the biblcal issue of the sons of God and the fallen angels. This is the best exposition of the various aspects of the issue that I have ever read. Thank you for bringing out the four important related, correct, subject matters: 1. Angels cannot mate with humans. 2. The Virgin Birth of Christ. 3. Your exposition of the discourse in Job 38:4-7 is correct. There are indeed five questions; and the cornerstone was Christ. 4. The fallen angels are in, 'everlasting chains of darkness,' as we speak. they were never on the earth cohabiting with humans. As you pointed out that the myth of the sons of God is a Jewish myth with no biblical foundation at all is well noted also. Thank you for the excellent Bible study. Edited February 25, 2018 by Alan spelling Rebecca and John Young 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members beameup Posted April 1, 2015 Members Share Posted April 1, 2015 Bar in Hebrew is "son" and would have been used in this context to indicate "sons". The Hebrew in Genesis 6 uses the term "bene ha Elohim" and not bar ha Elohim.This is in contrast to the "daughters of man", which actually in Hebrew is "bath 'adam". These were "daughters of Adam" (not "daughters of Cain").The word bene, literally "sons of" when used in a term such as bene ha.elohim or bene elim, means "members of the category of." An example of such usage is the case with the bene hanebi.im, who clearly were not literally the sons of the prophets but theirfollowers, those who were part of a prophet's circle (1Kings. 20:35; 2 Kings. 2, 3, 5, 7, 15)."Bar Mitzvah" son's dedication - "Bath Mitzvah" daughter's dedicationThe angels in heaven do not marry (doesn't say anything about angels on earth). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members heartstrings Posted April 1, 2015 Members Share Posted April 1, 2015 Amen!John, have you been reading my posts or something? Because I've been posting the same basic studies for so long, everyone got tired of seeing it. One thing I would like to add... The giants were not a result of the marriage of daughters of men to sons of God, and the word "after", in Genesis 6:4 does not mean "later in time" since the whole account takes place "in those days" I will elaborate later. No Nicolaitans, HappyChristian, Alan and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Ukulelemike Posted April 1, 2015 Moderators Share Posted April 1, 2015 Bar in Hebrew is "son" and would have been used in this context to indicate "sons". The Hebrew in Genesis 6 uses the term "bene ha Elohim" and not bar ha Elohim.This is in contrast to the "daughters of man", which actually in Hebrew is "bath 'adam". These were "daughters of Adam" (not "daughters of Cain").The word bene, literally "sons of" when used in a term such as bene ha.elohim or bene elim, means "members of the category of." An example of such usage is the case with the bene hanebi.im, who clearly were not literally the sons of the prophets but theirfollowers, those who were part of a prophet's circle (1Kings. 20:35; 2 Kings. 2, 3, 5, 7, 15)."Bar Mitzvah" son's dedication - "Bath Mitzvah" daughter's dedicationThe angels in heaven do not marry (doesn't say anything about angels on earth). The daughters of Cain would still be the daughters of Adam-all the women are. HOwever, they wouldn't have the be from Cain's line, because of ALL flesh was wicked in God's eyes, that would include pretty much all of the line of Seth as well. The Bible actually nowhere says that Seth's descendents before the flood were al godly people-f they were, God would not have had to flood the earth. beameup and Genevanpreacher 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members John Young Posted April 1, 2015 Author Members Share Posted April 1, 2015 Under your subheading "THE REAL FALLEN ANGELS" you meant 'woman' not 'women'.I fixed it. Thanks brother! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members beameup Posted April 1, 2015 Members Share Posted April 1, 2015 (edited) By comparison, Noah was (1) a just man (2) perfect in his generations (3) walked with God. Gen 6:9Noah's DNA was not "contaminated" with "alien" (fallen angels) DNA. All other flesh had to be destroyed.The 4th Century Catholic Church could not accept this, and Augustine and others created the "Sethite" view. Edited April 1, 2015 by beameup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Popular Post DaveW Posted April 1, 2015 Members Popular Post Share Posted April 1, 2015 You do realise that genetic science agrees with the Bible in that cross species reproduction is NOT POSSIBLE? It simply is not possible for two separate species to produce offspring. Just as we read in Genesis, that all creatures reproduce "after their kind". John Young, Rebecca, heartstrings and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members heartstrings Posted April 1, 2015 Members Share Posted April 1, 2015 By comparison, Noah was (1) a just man (2) perfect in his generations (3) walked with God. Gen 6:9Noah's DNA was not "contaminated" with "alien" (fallen angels) DNA. All other flesh had to be destroyed.The 4th Century Catholic Church could not accept this, and Augustine and others created the "Sethite" view.Genesis 5:1 This is the book of the generations of Adam.........This verse is announcing that the book is about "what Adam generated" or "gendered". Likewise, it means the same in the account of Noah.Matthew 24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,I believe that the "ing" in that word "marrying" indicates "actively engaged" in the practice. Therefore I believe the 'godly line" of Seth, named men in the ancestry of Christ (Luke 3:36-38), were more than likely participating in polygamy. But Noah, the last in the line, did not. He was "perfect in his generations" because he had one(1) wife and "generated" all three of his progeny with her. LindaR 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members heartstrings Posted April 1, 2015 Members Share Posted April 1, 2015 The daughters of Cain would still be the daughters of Adam-all the women are. HOwever, they wouldn't have the be from Cain's line, because of ALL flesh was wicked in God's eyes, that would include pretty much all of the line of Seth as well. The Bible actually nowhere says that Seth's descendents before the flood were al godly people-f they were, God would not have had to flood the earth.David, committed some of the most heinous sins recorded in the Bible, and this was long AFTER God had chosen him to be king. Abraham sinned, Moses sinned, Even Noah, the last in the line of Seth before the flood, who "walked with God" and was "perfect in his generations", kept drinking wine until he was passed out drunk. Then when his youngest son "saw him naked", he turned around and cursed his grandson for something the poor kid didn't even do. Noah had "backslid" really bad about that time. Anyway, all of the named individuals in Genesis 5, who had begun "calling upon the name of the Lord" back in Genesis 4 and are listed in the Geneology of Christ in Luke chapter 3, had all died before the flood came. God waited until the very last one died and he, Methuselah, had the longest life recorded in the Word of God. I think that shows the longsuffering of God. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MountainChristian Posted April 1, 2015 Members Share Posted April 1, 2015 ben 'elohiym In Job 1:6 if the sons of God are praying, that would mean Satan is praying.yatsab or present is never translated prayer, offerings, and supplicationHebrews makes your strongest point.Another thought if Angels breed with women, does that mean all Angels are male? Also if Angels do not reproduce by breeding why have reproductive organs?A horse and a donkey can produce a mule. Mules can not reproduce. These giants could reproduce and formed a country called Anak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DaveW Posted April 1, 2015 Members Share Posted April 1, 2015 ben 'elohiym In Job 1:6 if the sons of God are praying, that would mean Satan is praying.yatsab or present is never translated prayer, offerings, and supplicationHebrews makes your strongest point.Another thought if Angels breed with women, does that mean all Angels are male? Also if Angels do not reproduce by breeding why have reproductive organs?A horse and a donkey can produce a mule. Mules can not reproduce. These giants could reproduce and formed a country called Anak.Your last here brings up an interesting point:Anak can not have been the result of the Genesis 6 events for all men died in the flood, aside from the 8.Many people propose that the wickedness of this very act of cohabitation was the reason for the judgement of the flood. (Not me by the way).If this act resulted in the people of Anak, it was not the Genesis 6 instance, but a repeat after the flood.If it was such a wickedness that God had to destroy all men to deal with it once, why then ignore it the second time? I would suggest that the Giants of Numbers 13 - the sons of Anak - are nothing more than a fierce fighting tribe of men - possibly taller overall than the average population, but nothing more than men.There are people groups in Asia and Africa where the whole population of that region is substantially taller - check out the tallest basketball player right now and where he is from. He is not a one-off...... MountainChristian and heartstrings 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Heir of Salvation Posted May 12, 2015 Members Share Posted May 12, 2015 (edited) Bar in Hebrew is "son" and would have been used in this context to indicate "sons". The Hebrew in Genesis 6 uses the term "bene ha Elohim" and not bar ha Elohim.This is in contrast to the "daughters of man", which actually in Hebrew is "bath 'adam". These were "daughters of Adam" (not "daughters of Cain").The word bene, literally "sons of" when used in a term such as bene ha.elohim or bene elim, means "members of the category of." An example of such usage is the case with the bene hanebi.im, who clearly were not literally the sons of the prophets but theirfollowers, those who were part of a prophet's circle (1Kings. 20:35; 2 Kings. 2, 3, 5, 7, 15)."Bar Mitzvah" son's dedication - "Bath Mitzvah" daughter's dedicationThe angels in heaven do not marry (doesn't say anything about angels on earth).I'm sorry but "Bar" is not "son" in Hebrew.Maybe you are confusing it with Aramaic?Both Genesis chapter six and Job chapter 1 use the word "ben" and it means "son" or "descendent".Here is Genesis 6:בְּנֵיJob 1: בְּנֵיModern Hebrew: בניThe consonants in all three words are "Bet" (B) "Nun" (N)It has nothing to do with categories of etc.Even in Modern Hebrew the word for "son" is "Ben"The "Bar Mitvah" may be a carry-over from Aramaic or even Yiddish to refer specifically to that celebration....but "Bar" does not mean son. In any of the lexicons I've checked....Bar isn't even a word at all."Adam" simply means "man" or "mankind". When God says "Let us make 'man'.." in Genesis chapter 1 he uses the word "Adam". Even before the first man yet existed. "Adam" isn't exactly a proper name as such. God just called the creature he created "Adam". We now refer to that FIRST man as "Adam" and render it as a proper name, but it simply means "man". The phrase "Daughters of Adam" (daughters of men) is not sufficient grammatical evidence to support whether it is differentiating between Sethites or Cain's descendants or angels or anything else.Whatever we can conclude about who precisely the "Sons of God" are in Genesis 6 it isn't going to come from debating the linguistics themselves. Edited May 12, 2015 by Heir of Salvation MountainChristian 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members beameup Posted May 12, 2015 Members Share Posted May 12, 2015 There are those who would imply that God is "sloppy" with His Hebrew linguistics, and He said "this" when what He really meant was "that". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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