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​Let me try to explain that thought.

If we experience a 'life event', let's say we get pregnant, my wife that is, and the child grows up to be a salesman, who sells Bibles, good ones that is, and lives out his life accomplishing that very thing, then his life ends...

From what I said above in the post in question, my sons whole life, [from the perspective of the end of his days], went just the way God knew it would go, thereby being 'ordained', not OF God, but observed to be in 'order' as God saw it go - and God sees the end result at the end of my sons life.

In other words, nothing happens in time that God does not already know will happen, making it ordained, not God ordained, but ordained by circumstances of our choice.

That sounds much more confusing than I mean it. :{D

​How do we fit this together with the passages telling us that God orders the steps of a man, God directs kings, nothing happens without God causing it or allowing it?

There is also the matter of prayer. We see in Scripture where God declares a matter as fact, then repentant prayer is offered and God responds by changing things in accord with the prayer and His will.

How does God make all things work together for good if He's not actively involved in bringing such about?

We read in Scripture that even the results of casting lots is controlled by the Lord.

Is God active in our lives, nations and history or did He just toss us out here on earth so He could sit back and watch what He knew would happen anyway?

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​I would say it is not a "requirement" but rather a natural outcome of yielding to the Spirit. It is the man's sudden Faith in Christ which saves Him and causes him to call out to the Lord. The heart

​Still the same. To remove formatting, just copy and paste it into notepad and then back into the post again. Here it is for folk who can't see it: "Oops, I missed a step" Salvation. Romans 8:26-29 Li

True belief saves but also causes you to cry out. The two go hand in glove because some people will believe but not enough to call out to him or confess his name to others. Your faith which God is loo

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​How do we fit this together with the passages telling us that God orders the steps of a man, God directs kings, nothing happens without God causing it or allowing it?

There is also the matter of prayer. We see in Scripture where God declares a matter as fact, then repentant prayer is offered and God responds by changing things in accord with the prayer and His will.

How does God make all things work together for good if He's not actively involved in bringing such about?

We read in Scripture that even the results of casting lots is controlled by the Lord.

Is God active in our lives, nations and history or did He just toss us out here on earth so He could sit back and watch what He knew would happen anyway?

Proverbs 16:9

 

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Here's an example:

The Babylonians chose to attack the Southern Kingdom of Judah and carry them into captivity. God allowed it to happen because of Judah's sin, but He later punished the Babylonians for doing it. The Jews chose to sin, God allowed punishment for it. The Babylonians chose to mistreat God's people, God allowed it, and then punished them for it. Man chooses his way, God is in control of the outcome.

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I find it much less to confusing to both the person I am attempting to explain God's  sovereignty (couldn't even spell it without checking it) to and myself if I don't try to explain it in detail.  God is sovereign, He is King, He rules over all and thats it.  I cannot explain God's power anymore than I can explain free will.  The more one tries the murkier it gets to an unbeliever. . . . . and me. 

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The Bible says that God will give us wisdom and understanding if we ask Him for it. The Bible will give us knowledge if we search for it. It explains God's "sovereignty" too. But what is to explain about free will? God gives us the freedom to choose our own way or His way. He did it from the beginning when He told Adam not to eat of "the tree of knowledge of good and evil". Adam made his choice and men have been doing it ever since.

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​How do we fit this together with the passages telling us that God orders the steps of a man, God directs kings, nothing happens without God causing it or allowing it?

There is also the matter of prayer. We see in Scripture where God declares a matter as fact, then repentant prayer is offered and God responds by changing things in accord with the prayer and His will.

How does God make all things work together for good if He's not actively involved in bringing such about?

We read in Scripture that even the results of casting lots is controlled by the Lord.

Is God active in our lives, nations and history or did He just toss us out here on earth so He could sit back and watch what He knew would happen anyway?

I would just have to say that the Lord does what he wants with man and circumstances of life, AND our sometimes poor choices. But he always does it for our good, (not always from our perspective of course), and for his glory.

[first time posting from my phone]

I perceive God does all the ways you mention, and without contradicting his word.

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