Members 1Timothy115 Posted March 30, 2015 Members Share Posted March 30, 2015 Indiana's new Religious Freedom bill is a blessing during these days of oppression from PC bullies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members John81 Posted March 30, 2015 Members Share Posted March 30, 2015 They sure are taking a lot of abuse from the media, including Fox News (which is very pro-homosexual).A local pastor is from Indiana and he's encountered a lot of hostility for speaking favorably of the bill (now signed into law). Most of the hostility is coming from folks in Indiana (online), with the vast majority of them being Christians.They equate the idea of someone not wanting to do business with homosexuals in a way that would at least seem to support their sin as being the same as denying blacks admittance to a business.On Fox News, just about a half hour ago, two "conservative" pundits were claiming they supported religious freedom while at the same time saying denying certain business services to homosexuals claiming religious reasons is basically a lie. The way they worded things it's as if a bakery refuses to make a homosexual wedding cake because of their religious convictions, those religious convictions are actually just a fake cover for their bigoted anti-homosexual wrong ideas.Yep, that was from "conservative" Fox News and two of their "conservative" contributors. 1Timothy115 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ThePilgrim Posted March 30, 2015 Members Share Posted March 30, 2015 A good move.  I just wish some politician here in Oregon had the sanity (and guts) to do such a logical thing.  Perverts gain there power from "good people" doing nothing. heartstrings and 1Timothy115 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members John81 Posted March 30, 2015 Members Share Posted March 30, 2015 Most likely Indiana will give in to the pressure at least to the point of adding provisions, which Fox News was congratulating other States for having, which make it clear homosexuals and various other sexual sinners can't be "discriminated" against because of their "sexual orientation".As the current Indiana law stands, a businessman could deny services to a homosexual based upon their religious convictions. Look for many homosexuals and other sexual sinners to target Christian businesses hoping to be denied service so they can get this into the courts. We know how the courts tend to lean and how the Leftists have used the courts to get their way (while the rest of the government has sat around and let them).Freedom of association was once considered a hallmark of liberty. Today it's considered bigoted, hateful, racist, homophobic, mean-spirited, even un-American! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators OLD fashioned preacher Posted March 30, 2015 Moderators Share Posted March 30, 2015 If you make a birthday cake for a homosexual but won't make a wedding cake for the same IT IS NOT discriminating against homosexuals but against the event or message. If you make a wedding cake for a black couple but not make a cake in honor of MLK Day, same situation. If you refuse to place a decoration (or even order said decoration) with a hand containing only an extended middle finger, you are not discriminating against the individual but rather the message. This is the distinction the media is INTENTIONALLY ignoring, or denigrating as a lie. The problem is that too many people are swayed by drama and not reason. John81 and 1Timothy115 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members John81 Posted March 30, 2015 Members Share Posted March 30, 2015 Absolutely true but in our world today anything the PC crowd doesn't like is some form of discrimination, racism, sexism, bigoted, hate.Most of the country today has been raised in the public school propaganda mills and are conditioned to believe this or at least lean that way. Most have never known a time in this country when individual liberty was even close to being a true reality, where people had the right of freedom of association, businessmen could run their businesses according to their own scruples, and families could be raised without fear of government intrusion.Today true liberty is considered evil, biblical Christianity is evil, traditionalists and even true constitutionalists are considered evil. Good is called evil while evil is called good.Praise God for those willing to suffer persecution in Jesus name. More and more public and governmental pressure is being applied to get biblical Christians to bend to the will of the secular humanists and their agenda here in America. 1Timothy115 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Ukulelemike Posted March 30, 2015 Moderators Share Posted March 30, 2015 I was answering on a post in Facebook on this subject, spelled out clearly what the intent of the law is, and what 'freedom of religion' means, (really, that religion is not just what one does in church or at home, but the entire life of the believer, which encompasses, or should, all aspects of a believer's life-and of course, I was told I was wrong.). And I was accused of being a bigot, a homophobe, hateful, etc. It really does no good to argue-no matter how one may say they love homosexuals, but it doesn't mean we have to agree with what they do, or support it, we will always be told that we really hate them. The lost have NO idea of what true biblical love and Christianty are. The best we can do it get folks saved, one soul at a time. John81, heartstrings and 1Timothy115 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Invicta Posted March 30, 2015 Members Share Posted March 30, 2015 You may have noticed that we have an election coming up in a few weeks.  We recently had a visit from labour canvasser, asking if we would vote for them  I said no, for two reasons:  1: Labour always ruins the economy.  2: Labour voted for sodomite marriages.  ( I was half expecting that they would send round a homosexual canvasser after that, It hasn't happened yet, but they have six weeks to go.)  The conservatives, Labour, Liberal, Greens all voted for, the only ones who didn't were UKIP.  Nigel Farage, their leader was asked if we should not have HS marriage, but he went no further than saying that we could not repel the law while we were in the EU.  When pressed on the subject he just repeated that. 1Timothy115 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members John81 Posted March 30, 2015 Members Share Posted March 30, 2015 It seems politicians are a plague upon both our peoples. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ThePilgrim Posted March 30, 2015 Members Share Posted March 30, 2015  David Cameron and George Osborne are heading for the same train wreck as us Americans. http://47mb5740sj2k1xsfst40mqbb16bh.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/camtrain.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Covenanter Posted March 31, 2015 Members Share Posted March 31, 2015 The problems that are now evident are the unintended consequences of "inclusive" legislation -There is no "conscience" clause, so that malicious complaints are being made & upheld, & folk with a Christian conscience are being criminalised. Now, how can Christians take offence & bring counter charges? 1Timothy115 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Salyan Posted March 31, 2015 Moderators Share Posted March 31, 2015 How come no one ever gets concerned over all the hatefulness and bigotry against Christians? 1Timothy115, Covenanter, MountainChristian and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members 1Timothy115 Posted March 31, 2015 Author Members Share Posted March 31, 2015 Absolutely true but in our world today anything the PC crowd doesn't like is some form of discrimination, racism, sexism, bigoted, hate.Most of the country today has been raised in the public school propaganda mills and are conditioned to believe this or at least lean that way. Most have never known a time in this country when individual liberty was even close to being a true reality, where people had the right of freedom of association, businessmen could run their businesses according to their own scruples, and families could be raised without fear of government intrusion.Today true liberty is considered evil, biblical Christianity is evil, traditionalists and even true constitutionalists are considered evil. Good is called evil while evil is called good.Praise God for those willing to suffer persecution in Jesus name. More and more public and governmental pressure is being applied to get biblical Christians to bend to the will of the secular humanists and their agenda here in America.​Praise God for saving us and revealing these times to us...Amen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ThePilgrim Posted March 31, 2015 Members Share Posted March 31, 2015 They're gonna' fix it.http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/indiana-to-clarify-religious-liberties-law-decried-as-anti-gay/2015/03/30/1d918698-d6fc-11e4-b3f2-607bd612aeac_story.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members 1Timothy115 Posted March 31, 2015 Author Members Share Posted March 31, 2015 Have you noticed how organized the opposition is? Every 'news' outlet available is attacking Indiana and the state's law makers. Protests across the country. So called 'celebs' voicing their opinion. I was told earlier today on another site that supporting Gov. Pence made me worse than ISIS or Hitler. Where are the voices for Christian liberty? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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