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11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

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To answer the question, we need to study Jesus' warnings to the Jews, particularly during his last week; his Olivet prophecy; Paul's experience in Thessalonica & with the Thessalonian Jews; his teaching about the coming of Jesus in 1 & 2 Thessalonians, & his teaching about God's judgement on the Jews who persecute Christians in 1 Thes. 2. 

What did the Thessalonians know that we are asking questions about? 

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It's not the lie it's "a lie". So, a lie would be...

Anything spoken in opposition to God's truth causing person or persons to reject Jesus Christ as Lord.

​A lie is singular, so it could be 'the lie' that is the culmination of God giving them over to it.

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​A lie is singular, so it could be 'the lie' that is the culmination of God giving them over to it.

​I checked in Unger's; in Barnes; in Strongs no form specified but "of perverse, impious, deceitful precepts".   So it appears this use could be singular or plural, or at least that's the sense from the references above. If it were a singular form then I would have to say almost the exact same thing I said before but, in a singular sense: 

"Anything [The thing] spoken in opposition to God's truth causing person or persons to reject Jesus Christ as Lord."

ISBE seems to agree with this latter singular form as in 1 John 2:22.

What reference did you use to understand the form as singular?

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​I checked in Unger's; in Barnes; in Strongs no form specified but "of perverse, impious, deceitful precepts".   So it appears this use could be singular or plural, or at least that's the sense from the references above. If it were a singular form then I would have to say almost the exact same thing I said before but, in a singular sense: 

ISBE seems to agree with this latter singular form as in 1 John 2:22.

What reference did you use to understand the form as singular?

​Uh...the verse? "...that they should believe a lie."

It doesn't say that they would believe "lies", which would mean more than one, i.e. plural.

I don't see how 'looking up' the word in some book can tell more than the text here.

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I need to get a car....

 

Car is singular,  but it could any one of many separate and different cars that I get.

​But it would be 'one particular' car, singular.

So is this referring to something 'specific' that would stand out as 'a lie' that would be believed?

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So...what's the lie?

​The quick answer is that it is the great false gospel that Paul also opposed in Galatians & is warned against in Hebrews. That salvation is still obtained under the Old Covenant by keeping the temple-centred Mosaic Law, & that the New Covenant by the blood of Jesus is an unholy thing. See Hebrews 10.

To answer the question, we need to study Jesus' warnings to the Jews, particularly during his last week; his Olivet prophecy; Paul's experience in Thessalonica & with the Thessalonian Jews; his teaching about the coming of Jesus in 1 & 2 Thessalonians, & his teaching about God's judgement on the Jews who persecute Christians in 1 Thes. 2. 

What did the Thessalonians know that we are asking questions about? 

Paul always went first to the synagogue, where there was one, as in Thessalonica. Acts 17:1-13 Some of the Jews believed, but the unbelievers stirred up trouble, there & in Berea. God was calling the Jews in exile, according to Lev. 26:44-45 Eze. 37:21 Note however, 1 The. 2:14-16 

The Jewish authorities in Jerusalem continued to oppose Jesus & the Gospel, despite the preaching in their midst. They refused to believe the truth about their Messiah. 1 The. 2:13 

Temple worship continued until the temple was destroyed according to Jesus' Olivet prophecy, before the generation that rejected its Messiah had passed. That great prophecy still had about 20 years to run when Paul wrote to the Thessalonians and THAT prophecy had to be fulfilled before Jesus' coming for resurrection & judgement - the subject of his teaching in 1 Thessalonians & 2 Thes. 1. That is the significance of 2 The. 2:3 Jesus' destruction prophecy is the next item on God's agenda. Hebrews stresses the urgency of repentance TODAY. Trusting in Moses & the Law is rejection of Christ & the Gospel. The final warning according to Moses, Deu. 18:18-19 repeated by Peter, Acts 3:22-23 would certainly happen before Jesus returned.

So what does Paul mean by the brightness of his coming? Jesus warned the Jewish leaders he will come and destroy the husbandmen, and will give the vineyard unto others. Mark 12:9 Jesus' coming would be evident by the fulfilment of that prophecy. Paul has already made it clear that the events he prophesies in 2 Thes. 2 are NOT the final coming for resurrection & judgement, but something that must happen first. Hebrews stresses the removing of those things that are shaken. Heb. 12:27   

Note: The KJV translates Strongs G2015 in the following manner: appearing (5x), brightness (1x). 

Sadly the Jewish leaders continued to reject Christ & the New Covenant Gospel. They rejected God's Word by his Son, Heb. 1:1-3 and they would not escape. Heb. 2:1-4 They preferred to believe a lie, & perished. 

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​Uh...the verse? "...that they should believe a lie."

It doesn't say that they would believe "lies", which would mean more than one, i.e. plural.

I don't see how 'looking up' the word in some book can tell more than the text here.

You want a response in kind, no sir, as much as the flesh would like to, I won't. I'll just wait on the Lord for the answer. Possibly you would consider "the sin" in Hebrews 12:1 and compare-contrast it with "a lie" from the verse you mention in Thessalonians. 

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Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped;
so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God
2 Thessalonians 2:4
The false-Christ will be worshipped as God.  This will bring God's judgment of the inhabitants of the earth.
 
And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth,
and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan
with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish;
because they received not the love of the truth [that Jesus died for their sins], that they might be saved. 
2 Thessalonians 2:8-10                       

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Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped;
so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God
The false-Christ will be worshipped as God.  This will bring God's judgment of the inhabitants of the earth.
 
And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth,
and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan
with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish;
because they received not the love of the truth [that Jesus died for their sins], that they might be saved. 
2 Thessalonians 2:8-10                       

​The false christ, the pope as Vicar of Christ is already worshiped as God.

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You want a response in kind, no sir, as much as the flesh would like to, I won't. I'll just wait on the Lord for the answer. Possibly you would consider "the sin" in Hebrews 12:1 and compare-contrast it with "a lie" from the verse you mention in Thessalonians. 

​You sound upset? I am not trying to aggravate your 'flesh'.

What do you mean "a response in kind"?

I answered your questioning of my belief in "a lie" being singular. And it makes sense, to me anyway.

Your question: "What reference did you use to understand the form as singular?"

I am sorry. I meant no harm, just being direct and responding to, what seemed to me, 'a silly question'.

As for the Hebrews 12:1 verse, it too is a singular word "sin", according to the verse.

Think about it - "and the sin which doth so easily beset us" - no where in this verse does it refer to the plural sense (for the word sin).

The phrase "the sin" is talking about the sin nature that is placed in front of us, it is not speaking of a specific sin but the specific 'nature' of sin, and that is singular.

And we all happen to have it.

 

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Maybe the next verse might help?

11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

But what was the 'pleasure in unrighteousness'?

Maybe the ability to live life without boundaries?

Sinful ones no doubt they are. Led in the ways of 'a lie', to which even the elect (and I mean saved folk) might, if it were possible, be led into?

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We see all around us, and throughout history, people who choose to believe a lie rather than pay heed to the calling of God. Any lie which one accepts will keep the from the Truth.

We see those who find pleasure in all sorts of sinful indulgences, believing it doesn't matter. Whether they believe their choice of sin doesn't matter because they still see themselves as "a good person, better than others", or they choose some false religion to cling to as their hope after death, or they choose to believe there is this one life and then it's just over, whatever the case may be, they are believing a lie which blinds them to the Truth.

All of us have a choice, whether to enjoy the pleasures of sin for awhile or to heed the call of God to turn to Him.

Whether one chooses to indulge in worshiping Mary, the tyrant Allah, Mother Nature, a celebrity, or simply exalt themselves, they are believing a lie and are separated from the Saviour.

Even after salvation we are yet subject to temptation so it's no wonder some believers may face the temptation to believe a lie. The seal of the Holy Ghost ensures our salvation and the indwelling of the Holy Ghost gives us help the lost don't have. Our Lord is well capable of protecting His own.

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Paul gives a good illustration of the Antichrist in 2 Thessalonians chapter 2.

2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

2:5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?

2:6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

The verse,that this discussion is on, is speaking of a certain lie,dealing with a belief system,concerning the Antichrist of Revelation chapter 13.

 Rev 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
Rev 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
Rev 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
Rev 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
Rev 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
Rev 13:6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
Rev 13:9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.
Rev 13:10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.
Rev 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
Rev 13:12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
Rev 13:13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
Rev 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
Rev 13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
Rev 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
Rev 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Rev 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

There is a correlation in Romans chapter 1.

Rom 1:1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,
Rom 1:2 (Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,)
Rom 1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;
Rom 1:4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:
Rom 1:5 By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:
Rom 1:6 Among whom are ye also the called of Jesus Christ:
Rom 1:7 To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.
Rom 1:8 First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world.
Rom 1:9 For God is my witness, whom I serve with my spirit in the gospel of his Son, that without ceasing I make mention of you always in my prayers;
Rom 1:10 Making request, if by any means now at length I might have a prosperous journey by the will of God to come unto you.
Rom 1:11 For I long to see you, that I may impart unto you some spiritual gift, to the end ye may be established;
Rom 1:12 That is, that I may be comforted together with you by the mutual faith both of you and me.
Rom 1:13 Now I would not have you ignorant, brethren, that oftentimes I purposed to come unto you, (but was let hitherto,) that I might have some fruit among you also, even as among other Gentiles.
Rom 1:14 I am debtor both to the Greeks, and to the Barbarians; both to the wise, and to the unwise.
Rom 1:15 So, as much as in me is, I am ready to preach the gospel to you that are at Rome also.
Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
Rom 1:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
Rom 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
Rom 1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Rom 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
Rom 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
Rom 1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
Rom 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
Rom 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
Rom 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
Rom 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
Rom 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
Rom 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
Rom 1:30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
Rom 1:31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
Rom 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

Verses 16 though 32 pretty much sums up how God deals with those who believe or hold the truth in unrighteousness. It could be argued that God turning them over to a reprobate mind is similar to God send them strong delusion that they believe a lie: stated in  2 Thessalonians.

 

Edited by Kleptes

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Only touching upon one point for now:

What does it mean by "except there come a falling away first"?

Which is followed by (in the same sentence) "and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;". Is the falling away and the revealing of the son of perdition events that happen together or does the falling away come first and then later the son of perdition is revealed? If later, how much later?

I've heard it taught/preached that these things from 2 Thessalonians 2:3 come prior to the Rapture and I've also heard it preached they come after the Rapture. Which is it?

Back to the "falling away", I've heard many American preachers point to the condition of American churches as being this falling away. Does Scripture in any way indicate the falling away is referencing Christianity in America (or for that matter, any other particular country)? Is this falling away worldwide or referring to something more specific?

As it's written, it would seem that the falling away will be apparent, something we can notice if we are paying attention. Is this pointed out so we pay attention to notice it when it occurs or simply as an assurance that the end hasn't come since the falling away hasn't occurred yet?

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Kleptes started his quote with verse 3.  This is misleading because if you read from verse one you get the picture.  Before we meet the Lord, two things will happen.  1.  The falling away.  2.  The man of sin will be revealed.  This falling away came centuries ago, possibly at the time of Constantine, but probably began before.

The falling away was obvious then and ended up with the Pope and the RCC.  

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2Th 2:3 ¶ Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
2Th 2:5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
2Th 2:6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
2Th 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
2Th 2:9Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness

It looks like a combination of all kinds of lie in order to make one big powerful delusion, All western media is supposed to be owned or influenced by only six companies including news channels, the education and public libraries is supposed to be the same, the subliminals and other mind control technologies are more advanced than they used to be, for example they can do synthetic telepathy now, it is all being brought together via secret societies, The Jesuits it would seem being the mother of them all.

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