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Revelation chapter 19-22 Study.

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This is where our views come together, as we look forward towards our Lord's glorious appearing, the resurrection, judgment and the NH&NE wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Born dead - in sin - death without life and dead before death - eternal living death in hell

Born again - of the Spirit by faith in Christ - life before death and life after death - resurrection life

Salvation is life before life - eternal life.

 

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You are entirely correct. Your analogies are real good and appropriate. All of the believers eternal blessings come from our Saviour and Lord. The future home, and glory, of all the saints, throughout the ages past, is yet to come.

"To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory." Colossians 1:27

Thank you for your comments and analogies.

Any further comments, or areas of discussion, before we go on the the next lesson?

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Eric,

Thank you for bringing our Isaiah 60:12. The entire chapter of Isaiah 60 speak of the blessings of the Millennium and the glory of the nation of Israel towards the entire world. It also clearly brings out that the Lord Jesus, as KING OF KINGS, will punish those nations who do not obey His commands. Isaiah 60:12, “For the nation and kingdom that will not serve thee shall perish; yea, those nations shall be utterly wasted.”

A thorough study and discussion of Isaiah 60 may be prudent in the days ahead and in another thread. If anybody would like to do this study it would probably be a blessing to all of us.

Very good observation and comment. Any other thoughts before we continue?

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Eric,

Thank you for bringing our Isaiah 60:12. The entire chapter of Isaiah 60 speak of the blessings of the Millennium and the glory of the nation of Israel towards the entire world. It also clearly brings out that the Lord Jesus, as KING OF KINGS, will punish those nations who do not obey His commands. Isaiah 60:12, “For the nation and kingdom that will not serve thee shall perish; yea, those nations shall be utterly wasted.”

A thorough study and discussion of Isaiah 60 may be prudent in the days ahead and in another thread. If anybody would like to do this study it would probably be a blessing to all of us.

Very good observation and comment. Any other thoughts before we continue?

​If we begin reading Isaiah 60 at Isaiah 48 - which begins the passage dealing with Jerusalem, we see God speaking of redemption & deliverance from Babylon; in Isa. 49:3 we see The LORD's servant spoken of as "Israel" thus Jesus is the true Israel & fulfilment of prophecy. Isa. 49:5-8 shows that God's declared plans are for the salvation of the Gentiles, to the ends of the earth - Gospel days as Paul quotes Isa. 49:8 in 2 Cor. 6:1-2 

Christ as the covenant surety is seen in e.g. Isa. 49:8 , Isa. 55:3  & Isa. 59:21 

We need to see these OT prophecies in terms of Jesus & his redeemed people of all nations, rather than focusing on national Israel. We shouldn't be literal in our understanding - Isa. 60:16 - but see the glorious Gospel calling the dispersed of Israel as we read in Acts - & of course continues to this day, as believing Jews are numbered with the redeemed. 

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All according to God's promise to Abraham in Gen. 12:1-3

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Covenanter,

Isaiah 48 – 60 is not only speaking of deliverance and redemption from Babylon; that section of scripture is dealing also with the eternal attributes of God, His Majesty, the Plan of Redemption, The Suffering Messiah, and the leading of God concerning the nation of Israel from the time of the deliverance from Babylon to the restoration of the nation of Israel to the Millennial reign of Christ. To limit the prophecies of Isaiah 48-60 scripture to just the deliverance from Babylon is an injustice to other pertinent, and more important, doctrines and prophecies.

A careful reading of Isaiah 60 reveals how the Gentile nations of the world, during the Millennium, in a direct reference to the restoration of the nation of Israel, God says, “And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising.” Isaiah 60:2 God blesses all of the nations of the world, in all ages, through the Jewish race. Is not the Lord Jesus a Jew? When a person gets saved he is grafted into the nation of Israel and becomes a spiritual descendent of Abraham, and Isaac and Jacob: and not the other way around. Romans 11:11-36 and Galatians 3:7-9

Furthermore, to insinuate that we are only focusing on the nation of Israel, in our study of the Millennium, instead of the redemption of mankind through the sacrifice of the Lord Jesus is not correct and somewhat miss-leading.

Also, to reiterate, Isaiah 60:12 is a literal fulfillment; it is not symbolic, figurative, or otherwise not literal.

Furthermore, Isaiah 60:16 is using a figure of speech about how Israel will be blessed with material goods from the Gentiles nations. Just as you and I use figures of speech on occasion; so does God through His prophets.

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Brethren,

Thank you for the very good discussions, thoughts, and comments thus far. In our next study, Revelation 21:1-8, 'The New Heaven and the New Earth,' we will be focasing on the the eternal blessings of God through the Lord Jesus and the wonderful relationship we will have with God.

So, I think that starting with the next lesson, if you have any praise, thanks, or testimony, that you would like to include in your remarks please do so.

Alan

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Revelation 21:1-8, “New Heaven and the New Earth.”

Verse 1-8, “And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful. And he said unto me, It is done, I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.”

‘And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.’

The heavens and first earth are cleansed by fire.

Three Heavens

Paul the Apostle wrote, “I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven.” 2 Corinthians 12:2

The first heaven is where the birds fly; we call this the atmosphere. Genesis 1:20

The second heaven is where the Sun, planets and stars occupy; we call this outer space. Genesis 1:14-18

The third heaven is the abode of God. Psalm 11:4, “The LORD is in his holy temple, the LORD’S throne is in heaven: his eyes behold, his eyelids try, the children of men.

2 Peter 3:7-13 “Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?” 2 Peter 3:12. This will be a one-time historical event that is so huge in scope, intensity, and power, that it is hard to imagine.

Isaiah 51:6, “Lift up your eyes to the heavens, and look upon the earth beneath: for the heavens shall vanish away like smoke, and the earth shall wax old like a garment, and they that dwell therein shall die in like manner: but my salvation shall be for ever, and my righteousness shall not be abolished.”

Please take careful note. Both Isaiah and Peter write, ‘heavens:’ plural. This includes the atmospheric heaven and the outer space heaven where the planets are also dissolved. God is going to get rid of all the, ‘space junk,’ that mankind has been spewing out. Man not only corrupts the earth; but he corrupts the air we breathe, the water we drink, and even corrupts outer space and every planet he visits.

The third heaven the abode of God, where the saints are located, where New Jerusalem is located at this time, will not be affected by the dissolving of the elements by fire. There is no corruption, physical or spiritual, in Heaven.

In the New Earth there will be no more sea. In the Millennium there were seas; but in the New Earth there are no more seas. The curse was not completely lifted during the Millennium but it will be lifted in the new earth. The seas were designed by God to separate the nations of the world. Since only God will rule on the new earth there will be no need for oceans to divide the nations.

‘... the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven...’

The New Jerusalem is called, ‘HOLY.”

The Apostle Peter, as a prophet, prophesied, “Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.” 2 Peter 3:13

God is Holy and in the new Earth HOLINESS AND RIGHTEOUSNESS will Reign in the Holy Jerusalem.

2 Peter 3: 17. The, ‘promise,’ that the Apostle Peter refers to is the prophecy of Isaiah. “For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.” Isaiah 65:17. Please re-read Isaiah 51:6 from the previous note on verse 1.

The words of Paul the Apostle come to my mind at this time. Paul wrote, “And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.” Ephesians 4:24

Brethren, we will live in the New Jerusalem. This is the place where the Lord Jesus has prepared for us, John 14:1-3

The Saints will see God make the New Heaven and the New Earth

“For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.” Isaiah 66:22

Brethren, apart from the Lord Jesus Christ, no man saw God make the first heaven and the first earth. But, GLORY HALLELUJAH, all of the saints will personally see God make the second Heaven and the second Earth! Wow!

‘Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them...’

In the Garden of Eden, God walked, and talked, and had fellowship on a personal basis with Adam and Eve. Adam was created for fellowship with God. Adam dwelled with God. The Plan of God from Genesis 3:1 to Revelation 21:15 was to restore that fellowship with Man.

Revelation 22:1-6 needs to be read in connection with Revelation 21:1-6. According to Revelation 22:3 the curse that God placed upon the earth in Genesis 3:14-24, including the curse of the division of different tongues, (languages), in Genesis 11:1-9, will be lifted and removed. Hallelujah! No more language difficulties for missionaries!

Revelation 22:4a, “And they shall see his face: ...”

The Lord Jesus sated, “Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God.” Matthew 5:8

In 2 Corinthians 6:16b Paul (quoting from Jeremiah 7:4), wrote, “... as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.”

A careful reading of Exodus 24 will be an encouragement to all of you.

Brethren, on the new earth, we will walk, and talk, and have fellowship with God as He intended. God will dwell with us. Amen and amen!

‘And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.’

Glory, Glory Hallelujah!

In this life, even though we are saved and have the promise of eternal life in heaven, we live in a sin cursed body in a sin cursed world, among people who dis-believe everything we hold dear. And, our bodies are corrupting as we travel this world of woe. Heartaches, sorrow, death, crying, pain are a daily occurrence for a lot of us. One day, soon I hope, my dear brethren, all of the above effects of sin will permanently cease. Come soon, Lord Jesus!

‘... for these words are true and faithful.’

All of the prophecies, all of the blessings, all of the joys stated above, and may I add, throughout the scriptures, are written the true and faithful promises of God. Titus 1:2, “In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began.” In John 17:17 the Lord Jesus directly states that the word of God, the scriptures, are truth.

‘It is done, I am Alpha and Omega.’

The Plan of God of restoring His personal fellowship with man is ‘Finished.’ God has His own time table and His plans will be finished according to His timing: not ours: Galatians 4:4. A careful reading of Ecclesiastes 3:1-17 is always a blessing to those who wait upon God.

Alpha α and Omega Ω

Alpha and Omega, the first and last letters of the Greek alphabet, plainly indicate that God is the beginning and the end of all things. God has all things under His direct control and for His purposes.

‘Alpha and Omega,’ is also one of the titles of the Lord Jesus Christ. In Revelation 1:8 Jesus states, “I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.” The Lord Jesus plainly stated that He was the, ‘Almighty.”

The attributes of the Lord Jesus and the attributes of God are the same. The Office, or Responsibilities, of God and the Lord Jesus, are different; but the attributes are the same.

Folks, the Lord Jesus was God in the flesh. The disbelief of the Trinity by the Jehovah’s Witnesses, the Mormons, and the other cults, are in doctrinal error.

‘I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.’

Eternal salvation is Free; in any age, in any country, before the Law, during the Law, after the Law, and during the Millennium. Salvation is Free to All who Choose. GLORY HALLELUJAH!

Isaiah 55:1 Ephesians 2:8 and 9 James 1:17

A man must be willing to be saved in order to be saved. The teachings of John Calvin (Calvinism, the TULIP theory), are in doctrinal error; specifically, that man does not have a free will. Every saint that I know that has followed Calvin’s teaching winds up a spiritually, and compassionately, dead saint. Also, the independent Baptist brethren that believe people under the Law in the Old Testament economy, and the people in the Millennium, are saved through keeping the law and faith are also in error.

‘He that overcometh shall inherit all things.’

Revelation 3:12, “Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him that name of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.” See Revelation 1:8

In the area of eternal salvation, all saints are overcomer's and will receive an inheritance in the New Heaven and the New Earth.

In the area of rewards, not all of the saints are overcomer's and will inherit rewards. Some saints walked in the flesh and did not walk in the Spirit.

The saints who overcame the sins of the flesh, the world and the Devil, and walked in the Spirit, will receive a better inheritance (reward). Please reference Romans 5:1 through 8:14 and Galatians 5:16-26

‘But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.’

Those who know that they ought to get saved, but were fearful of man, of pride, of position, and never got saved will be in the Lake of Fire. The ones who loved their abominable sins, and murderers, and sorcerers, idolaters, and liars, will spend eternity in the Lake of Fire.

The first lie in the Bible is from the Devil. “... Yea, hath God said. ...’ Genesis 3:1. So, in this study we will mention that religious lies are more hurtful than day to day lying by businessmen, politicians, et al.

This includes all of the religious liars (false prophets), of the Old Testament, and all of the religious liars on the New Testament: The Mormons, the Jehovah’s Witnesses, the Seventh Day Adventists, Calvinism, Muslims, Buddhists, Taoists, The Pope and his minions, and numerous others that are too many to mention.

God’s Judgment of sin is Eternal damnation in a burning Lake of Fire.

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Brethren,

I am getting prepared to upload the next lesson, Revelation 21:9-27, "The Holy Jerusalem," in a couple of days and would like to give anybody time to add further comment, discussion, give an opinion, or ask for clarification, on this lesson before we continue. If you are a guest viewing this site and would like to comment now is a good time to join OnLine Baptist and join the discussion and fellowship.

In Jesus' name,

Alan

 

 

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Revelation 21:9-27, “The Holy Jerusalem.”

Verse 9-27,”And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb’s wife. And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God, Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal; And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel: On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates. And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb. And he that talked with me had a golden reed to measure the city, and the gates thereof, and the wall thereof. And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal. And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel. And the building of the wall of it was of jasper: and the city was pure gold, like unto clear glass. And the foundations of the wall of the city were garnished with all manner of precious stones. The first foundation was jasper the second, sapphire; the third, a chalcedony; the fourth, an emerald; the fifth, sardonyx; the sixth, sardius; the seventh, chrysolyte; the eighth, beryl; the ninth, a topaz; the tenth, a chrysoprasus; the eleventh, a jacinth; the twelfth, an amethyst. And the twelve gates were twelve pearls: every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass. And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it. And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof. And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it. And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there. And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it. And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that delfileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb’s book of life.”

“I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb’s wife.”

In Revelation 19:7-9 we saw that in the marriage supper of the Lamb, the Lord Jesus, the bride is spoken as a person, (the church), in this passage the bride is the holy Jerusalem: a city. The bride of Christ, the Redeemed of the Church Age, is chosen to live in the New Jerusalem. Hence, the bride is the church and the city. Both the people and the city can be referred to as the Bride.

The New Jerusalem is also the Holy Jerusalem

In Revelation 21:2 the city is referred to as the new and the holy Jerusalem. The New Jerusalem is completely Holy in all aspects. May we remind ourselves of 1 Peter 1:15 and 16, “But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation; Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.”

“... that great city, the holy Jerusalem...”

This is the city that Abraham, and the rest of the saints throughout the ages, are looking for; by faith. Hebrews 11:16, “But now they desire a better country, that is an heavenly: therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.”

The Lord Jesus said, “In my Father’s house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.” John 14:2 Glory Hallelujah! The Holy Jerusalem descends from God to the New Earth. We have a mansion, for eternity, in our heavenly country, in the Great and Holy New Jerusalem! Amen and amen!

“Having the glory of God:”

Brethren, we will live in the Glory of God! We will become a part of the Glory of God! Unfathomable!

“... and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and name written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:”

In eternity, as we go in and out of the Holy City Jerusalem we will see a name of one of the sons of Jacob written on the top of the gate. Genesis 35:21-26

Why?

The Gentile nations of the world do not know what they worship and are in spiritual darkness with the various pagan religious beliefs. In John 4:22 the Lord Jesus said it plainly, “Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation if of the Jews.”

The church of the Redeemed is, ‘grafted,’ into the nation of the children of Israel. “And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree:” Romans 11:18 Brethren, in eternity, the Gentiles will be reminded that before our salvation, we were a wild olive tree far away from the blessings of God. Now, because of the wonderful grace of the Lord Jesus, Gentiles are grafted into the children of Israel, and become a child of Abraham, and we partake of the root (the Lord Jesus), and the fatness of the olive tree (Israel).

As we step through those gates of glory we will be continually be reminded of the eternal blessings of the Promises and Covenants of our Heavenly Merciful Father through the nation of Israel.

An understanding of Ephesians 2:1-12 will help us in this doctrinal truth. “That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:” Ephesians 2:12

I think that at this time may we remind ourselves that the Book that we have in our hands that tells of us the Saviour, and our mansion in the New and Holy Jerusalem, is a Jewish Book. Romans 3:1 and 2

“And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.”

The twelve foundations are named for the twelve apostles of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Signs of a true Apostle.

One. A true apostle had to be personally called by the Lord Jesus Christ with an audible voice.

Matthew 10:1-8

Two. The apostle had to have signs; including the power to heal. All of the original 12 apostles had the power to heal: including Judas Iscariot.

Paul the Apostle, under the direct inspiration of the Holy Spirit, further adds, “Truly the signs of an apostle were wrought among you in all patience, in signs, and wonders, and mighty deeds.” 2 Corinthians 12:12

Paul the Apostle.

One. Paul was personally, audibly, called by the Lord Jesus Christ. The apostle Paul was personally called, and selected, by the Lord Jesus Christ on the road of Damascus, Acts 9:1-16, “But the Lord said unto him, go thy way: for he [Saul / Paul] is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel.” Acts 9:15

“Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead  Galatians 1:1

Two. Paul had signs and wonders, cast out demons, and healed. Acts 16:16-18, 25-28; 19:11 and 12 and 20:7-12

Brethren Called Apostles.

The choosing of Matthias, Acts 1:15-26, was chosen by casting lots. This unwise selection of Matthias caused extreme harm to the ministry of Paul the Apostle in latter times. Paul gave this testimony, “If I be not an apostle unto others, yet doubtless I am to you: for the seal of mine apostleship are ye in the Lord.” 1 Corinthians 9:2

Barnabas was also called an apostle by men, but was never personally called by the Lord Jesus. Acts 14:14, “Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard of, they rent their clothes, and ran in among the people, crying out.”

No doubt both Matthias and Barnabas were men of God. But, the scriptures are very clear, there are only 12 foundations in the Holy Jerusalem and they are named for only 12 Apostles.

There are only 12 apostles personally called by the Lord Jesus Christ. Some of the brethren are of the mistaken interpretation that there are more than 12. This is in error. This error is based upon the early church calling men apostles who were not and an incorrect interpretation on Romans 16:7, “Salute Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen, and my fellow prisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me.” Paul does not state that Andronicus and Junia were apostles, only that they were known, or noteworthy, by the other apostles.

Doctrinal Note Concerning Matthias and Barnabas.

The scriptures do not give one sign, miracle, and wonder, by either Matthias or Barnabas. Therefore, they do not meet the qualifications of an Apostle according to Matthew 10:1-8 nor 2 Corinthians 12:12

Doctrinal Note Concerning False Apostles

“For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.” 2 Corinthians 11:13

As in Paul’s days, so it is in our days, there are church called apostles and there are false apostles. All of the apostles in the Charismatic churches are either church called apostles or just plain frauds: false apostles. All of the apostles in the Mormon Church, some segments in the Lutheran Church, the, “Apostolic Succession,” doctrine of the Roman Catholic Church, and cults with apostles, are all false apostles and deceitful workers.

 “And the city lieth foursquare...”

The Great, and Holy New Jerusalem is approximately 1,500 miles in length, in breadth and in height. Wow!

Temple Furnishings that were Foursquare.

There were two items in the Temple furnishings that were, ‘foursquare.”

  1. The Incense altar. Inside the Holy of Holies. Exodus 37:25, “And he made the incense altar of shittim wood: the length of it was a cubit, and the breadth of it a cubit; it was foursquare; and two cubits, was the height of it; the horns thereof were of the same.”

  2. The Burnt Offerings Altar. In the Temple worship area. Exodus 38:1, “And he made the altar of burnt offering of shittim wood: five cubits was the length thereof, and five cubits the breadth thereof; it was foursquare; and three cubits the height thereof.”

Are there any brethren that would like to add a comment concerning any spiritual significance of  the Incense Altar and the Burnt Offerings Altar being foursquare compared to the New Jerusalem?

“... and the city was pure gold, like unto clear glass. And the foundations of the wall of the city were garnished with all manner of precious stones.”

Glory Hallelujah! Brethren, this is indescribable! Not only is the street(s) of the city pure gold but the city itself is pure gold! The foundations of the walls of the city are garnished with all sorts of precious gems. Maybe, just maybe, the walls of our mansions are garnished with precious gems?

The beauty of the 12 foundations are extremely colorful and magnificent.

“... the twelve gates were twelve pearls...”

The twelve different gates (each gate), is made of one pearl. The Pearly White City!

“And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.”

During the Millennium we had the Millennial Temple, Ezekiel 40-48, but when God lives among us there will be no need of a Temple, nor a church, nor any other religious edifice.

“And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.”

Brethren, there is no example that anybody can give to explain this verse. But, my beloved brethren, I can believe and rejoice in it. Glory Hallelujah!

“And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it ... And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that delfileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb’s book of life.”

Only saved people will dwell in the Holy Jerusalem. The Holy Jerusalem will stay holy for eternity.

May all of be reminded that if there is anything in the life of the believer that is defiled, or is an abomination, or a lie, than he needs to get rid of that defilement. If the saint does not get rid of the defilements of the flesh; worldly music, corrupt versions of the scriptures, filthy talk, filthy music (this includes the filthy Contemporary Christian Music in our age), filthy companions in this life; then God will remove them before you step a foot in the Holy Jerusalem. Ephesians 4:22-24

The individuals who loved their sins and who never got saved will dwell in hell for eternity. They will not step into the Holy Jerusalem.

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Brethren,

I am very thankful for all of the people viewing this study. I understand also that of the folks viewing the lessons are guests and are not able to comment until they become members. Or, there are some older members who are hesitant to reply for one reason or another. Either way, I would like to say that I am very thankful for all of the brethren viewing the  lessons. If some of the interpretations on this lesson, or a previous lesson, are new to you, or if your disagree, or if you need more clarification why I said something, please let me know. I try to hold all discussions in a friendly atmosphere.

I would like to encourage more discussion though, or, at least to know if some of the brethren agree or disagree with the interpretations of the lesson. If you are just a guest to OnLine Baptist I would like to take this time to encourage you to join OnLine Baptist so you can comment, and, or, discuss the lesson.

Either way, I am very happy to see the large number of views on the study of Revelation 19-22. So, just sit back, enjoy a nice cup of coffee, and enjoy the lesson. :coffee2:

May God bless all of you.

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Brethren,

I have thus far refrained from quoting other sources in this study in order to preclude not offending some brethren with referenced sources that they do not agree with as authoritative sources of information, or, are controversial, as I do not want to involve ourselves in unnecessary arguments concerning individuals.

It has been brought out to my attention, in another thread, on OnLine Baptist, that Wenstrom is considered an authority to reference to. So, only when it is appropriate, and only if Wenstrom is quoted in context, and only when the conclusion of Wenstom is clearly and unmistakingly known, will he be quoted. If and when Wenstom is quoted a reference is required. Please remember, we need to ethically correct in all aspects when we quote another person.  If the quote is not in the above parameters, please refrain from quoting Wenstrom.

For example, in the previous thread concerning the debate in Daniel, Wenstom was quoted, but, the quote was not referenced, for everybody's  reference, below is the internet reference to the quote in the Daniel 9:24-27 debate.

http://www.wenstrom.org/downloads/written/exposition/dan/dan_9_24.pdf

Also, I consider Wenstrom an authority when it comes to a proper exegeis, and exposition, of scripture. I have read Bro. William E. Wenstorm's, Jr's. exposition of Daniel 9:24-27 and I am in agreement with his conclusions. To my knowledge Wenstrom is not a controversial figure, he is not liberal, nor is he an extreme fundamentalist. So, if a quote is within the parameters that I indicated above (in bold print), and the moderators do not disagree with using Wenstrom, I do mind if  the brethren quote from Wenstrom in our Revelation chapter 19-22 study. In fact, as I consider Wenstom's qualifications for the exposition of scripture excellent I may quote from him from time to time.

May the study in Revelation continue!

Kind Regards,

Alan

 

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Covenanter,

In the above post you mentioned that you sent it PM but, apparently , you did not send that above mesage by PM but in my public thread. Please respond by private messenger (PM), not in this Bible study.  Thank you for your consideration in this matter.

Alan

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Revelation 22:1-5, “Eternal Blessings from God.”

Verse 1-5, “And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb. In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations. And there be shall no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him: And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads. And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign forever and ever.”

“And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.”

Revelation 21:6

As the Apostle John continues his walk through the New and Holy Jerusalem he describes wonderful scenes that the saint will behold throughout eternity. Please also remember, that our eternal home in the Holy Jerusalem is a continuation of the Millennial Reign of Christ that will extend throughout eternity.

The pure water of life is for mankind in eternity. The water and the tree of life we behold are for the eternal life of the physical body of the saints. Please remember, in His glorified and resurrected body, the Lord Jesus, ate, drank, and walked as any other normal human being; Luke 24:32, 35, 41 and 42. In Luke 22:18 the Lord Jesus plainly stated that in the kingdom of God; starting with the Millennium and then extending into eternity on the new earth, “For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come.” Luke 22:18

The river of life from God is, “pure.” There will never be any physical contaminants, or, pollution, in the river of life that proceeds from God. All of the blessings of this life and the eternal blessings in heaven, flow from God; James 1:17

“... the tree of life...”

The Tree of Life is for the eternal life, and nourishment, of the glorified bodies of the saints. The Tree of Life was in the Garden of Eden, all ready for Adam and Eve to enjoy, but sin entered in and destroyed that opportunity of eternal life for the body of Adam, Eve and their progeny; Genesis 2:9

In order to preclude the eating of the Tree of Life by mankind, and before God renews the earth, and to preclude the likelihood of any person with sin in its life, the Tree of Life was hidden from mankind; Genesis 3:22-14

Brethren, we need to remember one important detail about salvation. When a person gets saved the soul is saved, the flesh corrupts, but our soul has eternal life. When God gives us a new body the eternal life of the body comes from the Tree of Life.

“... were for the healing of the nations.”

What are the nations? And, or, Who are the occupiers of the nations?

Concerning the New Jerusalem, Revelation 21:24 states, “And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.” The various saints of the ages are included in the nations.

Please take careful note. I am not of the persuasion that the saints that enter into heaven can procreate. “For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels in heaven.” Matthew 22:29 Angels do not marry nor procreate. The belief that angels were allowed to marry women on earth in Genesis 6:2 is not scriptural.

Thoughts on the Nations of the New heaven and New Earth.

As we enter into the arena of what and who the nations are we must bear in mind that in reality we are not positive exactly what will take place. But, we do know that eternity will be wonderful; 1 Corinthians 2:9

When a person dies, and does not reach the Age of Accountability; that person is innocent of sin and in heaven.

  1. This includes all of the babies, as way of illustration we will say, from birth to 4 years old. All of the babies in this definition, throughout the ages and nations, would total in the hundreds of millions. Remember all of the babies that Pharaoh had killed in Exodus? King Herod? In every war there are innocent babies killed along with their mothers in the womb and out of the womb.

  2. Once conception occurs, the person in the womb is a separate individual; Jeremiah 1:5 is very plain that before a person is born he is a separate individual. The amount of abortions throughout the ages and in the various nations, would probably total also in the millions. Once in eternity the child in the womb could easily, by God, be matured to a baby capable of life outside the womb.

  3. Persons who are mentally incapable of the knowledge of sin, even though they may be an adult, throughout the various ages and nations would probably total several million.

  4. In some primitive cultures, some nomadic tribes, and in some third world countries, the death rate of newborns is very high. Again, the number of these babies would number in the millions.

In our study we need to remember Eternal and Spiritual facts.

  1. Satan is in the Lake of fire so there will be no tempter.

  2. The Curse is Eternally Lifted.

  3. The Water of Life and the Tree of Life is for the eternal life, and nourishment, of the physical body.

  4. Manna is the food of angels. Will it also be the food of men? Is it the food of all the innocents killed throughout the ages and nations? Is some childless saint as we speak, hand feeding these innocent babes with a spoon? I personally know a lot of saints who never had children of their own, who would gladly, and wholeheartedly, feed and take care of these innocent ones in glory. Quite frankly, these saints would have a Baptist fit if they were able to.

  5. Every child that dies in innocence has its own angel that is in the presence of God; Matthew 18:10

  6. Every child that dies in innocence will be recognizable by the parents; 2 Samuel 12:22 and 23

  7. Little children, physically, and spiritually, will enter the kingdom of God; Matthew 18:1-3

  8. The Lord Jesus said, “Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish.” Matthew 18:14. Not one child that dies in innocence will perish. Obviously, little children die, so the meaning is very clear that it not physical death but spiritual death in hell: no child that is in innocence will perish, i. e., spend eternity in hell; A careful reading of John 3:16 will show us that the Lord Jesus used the word, "perish," instead of, 'hell." To perish (the soul, the spirit), means go to hell.  

    Heritage of the Lord.

Psalms 127:3, “Lo, children, are an heritage of the LORD: and the fruit of the womb is his reward.” Could not children lost in this life be a heritage and reward from God in the next?

There have been countless saints, from all nations, in all ages, who have lost a child in the womb, or a young child, or a mentally retarded child that never reached maturity. Maybe, just maybe, God has a special blessing reserved for them in eternity. A special Plan for Eternity that includes these sainted parents?

Concluding Thoughts on the Nations:

An Eternal Blessing & Reward from God.

Would it not be possible to consider that in the New heaven and the New Earth, that God tells these sainted parents, “While on the earth I took away your child through death and caused you to miss having this child as an, “...heritage of the LORD.” I would like to make up for that. Here is your innocent child that never knew sin, I want you to take it, raise it your own mansion, and when it reaches maturity, and another such unwanted child also raised from another couple reaches maturity, they will marry, and procreate, and I will make it a nation of its own.” A childless parent would Praise God for Eternity if that would be the case.

Therefore, is it not feasible that God will use these untold millions of innocent babies of different nations to be able to grow into maturity and either make a nation of these innocents? Or, may I suggest that God allows these innocents to mature physically and reproduce into nations? And may we thus conclude that the Lord Jesus as the KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS, will allow the saints who ruled with Him in the Millennium continue to rule these nations of innocents? Could this be a part of the Eternal Plan of God to continue the species of mankind throughout eternity?

“... And there be shall no more curse... “

The curse that God placed on mankind, and the animal kingdom, and all of the consequences, in Genesis 3:14-24, is lifted for eternity. Praise the Lord! Please study Romans 8:22 & 23

Brethren, the effect of the curse is upon all of us, all of our life, and on every aspect of livelihood on the face of the planet earth and everywhere man travels. One day, for the saints only, the curse will be lifted in the New Earth and New Heaven. Glory Hallelujah!

“... the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it.”

Psalm 48:1

Psalm 47:8

The saints of the ages will see the Throne of God and of the Lamb, Revelation chapter 4 and 5. We will experience the very presence of God and the Lamb for eternity. Hallelujah!

“And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.”

In our glorified bodies we will be able to see the face of God and of the Lamb. Please reference Revelation 3:12 and 21:22 and 23

“... and they shall reign forever and ever.”

As we studied in Revelation 20:4-6 the 1000 Year Reign of the Lord Jesus Christ as KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS is an everlasting Kingdom: it extends into eternity. Our rewards for serving the Lord Jesus in this life will extend into eternity: 2 Timothy 2:12 Praise the Lord!

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Brethren,

If you would like to ask a question concerning anything in this study, or seek seek a clarificatrion on something I said, or, let me know that you disagree with what I have said, you may either send a regular reply, or, you may send me a message by, "private messenger," here on OnLine Baptist.

Alan 

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Brethren,

I want to thank all of you that have viewed the lessons. Hopefully they have been a blessing to your heart and encouraged you in your walk with Christ in these last days.The next lesson, Revelation 22:6-11, will be uploaded soon.  Any quesions, comments, areas of discussion, areas of disagreement, or hopefully, areas of agreement, that you want to mention before the next lesson, please let me know.

Alan

 

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Revelation 22:6-11, “Remain Faithful.”

Verse 6-11, “And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done. Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book. And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things. Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellow-servant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God. And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand. He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.”

“These sayings are faithful and true:”

Please reference Revelation 21:5. We are again reminded that the climatic, and prophetic events of the Book of Revelation are true and faithful. God is faithful and His Word is Faithful. Praise the Lord! Psalm 119:90, “Thy faithfulness is unto all generations: thou hast established the earth and it abideth.” Psalm 119:86, “All thy commandments are faithful: they persecute me wrongfully; help thou me.”

Brethren, it is required, not asked, nor recommended, but required, that the Man of God remain faithful. “1 Corinthians 4:2, “Moreover it is REQUIRED in stewards, that a man be found faithful.” The steward is the man of God in the ministry. This requires being faithful in the matters of the body, in spirit, in doctrine, in purity and holiness. Every man in the ministry will be held accountable to the qualifications of the steward found in 1 Timothy 3:1-7 and Titus 1:7-9

“Behold, I come quickly:”

The Lord Jesus is coming for his bride soon! The scriptures teach that the Lord Jesus will come and take us home to heaven without any notice, or, ‘imminent,’ without any visible signs, and within the twinkling of an eye we would meet the Lord Jesus in the air! And, this coming is for the church only. Only believers in Christ are involved: 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 and 1 Corinthians 15:51-56 and Matthew 24:42-44 May Jesus come today!

A Chinese Saying「歎為觀止。」

Translated, “A Sight never to be Forgotten.”

One of these days, hopefully today, the Lord Jesus will personally appear in the clouds of the air above us. One day the Great Shepherd of the sheep will call all of us home. And, like Lazarus, the Lord Jesus will call His sheep by name: John 11:43 and Luke 10:3

First, He will personally call every dead saint from the graves and the body of the dead saints will rise, in a new, glorified body, to meet the Lord in the air.

Second, in the twinkling of an eye, without any of the lost viewing the scene, the Lord Jesus will personally call each and individual by his own name, and we will in the twinkling of an eye, be raised to meet the Lord Jesus in the air. Our first glance at the Saviour will be in our new and glorified bodies.

The living saints, like Enoch of old, will never, may I repeat, never, experience death. Glory Hallelujah! All of the saints will be in the presence of the Lord Jesus Christ, our wonderful Saviour, our Dear Friend, and Loving Master, forever!

Like the folks who tried to find Enoch, the folks here on the earth will not understand what happened. They will believe the lie of the Anti-Christ concerning why so many people are missing: 2 Thessalonians 2:11

Please enjoy, and be encouraged by, the story of Enoch in Genesis 5:21-24 and Hebrews 11:5, “By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.”

A Polite Reminder.

The visible coming of the Lord Jesus in Revelation 19:11-21 is for the reign of the Lord Jesus, coming with His Bride, the Church, for the Restoration of the Nation of Israel as foretold by the prophets. As such, His coming will be visible to all the earth. His coming will be preached by the two prophets as recorded in Revelation 11: 1-12. And, the time element, as written in Daniel 9:27 and 12:7-13, is clearly delineated. The church was not given any time periods to look for; all of the time frames in Daniel 7:24-27 and 12:7-13 are for the Jewish nation of Israel only.

Therefore, the coming of Christ in Revelation 19:11-21 and the coming of Christ in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 are two separate and distinct events. Any attempts to make them the same event will produce an erroneous belief in the Second Coming of Christ through the incorrect dividing of scripture.

Mid-Tribulation Rapture Correction

Please take special note for those who believe in a Mid-Tribulation Rapture. The rising of the Two Witnesses in Revelation 11:11 and 12 plainly states, “And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and fear fell upon them which saw them. And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies behold them.”

This cannot be the Rapture of the Church. Paul clearly states in 1 Corinthians 15:52 that the coming of the Lord will be accomplished so fast the eye cannot see it. Yet, in Revelation11:11 and 12 the two witnesses stand on their feet and everybody views them for a while and even their enemies watch them ascend into the clouds. The two events are so different that they obviously are two separate events at two separate times.

“... worship God.”

The Lord Jesus said, “God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must [a requirement] worship him in spirit and in truth.” John 4:24

God is a Spirit and He is Holy and Righteous in His Character and very Being. God will not accept any worship that is not done in Spirit nor in Truth.

The Apostle John, like many others throughout the history of man, (through a sincere heart), temporary thought to worship before the angel. The angel, as any true man of God, would not accept the worship of another. When Cornelius mistakenly bowed down to Peter, Acts 10:25, Peter immediately acted as a man of God would act, “But Peter took him up, saying, Stand up; I myself also am a man.” Acts 10:26

The Roman Catholic practice of men bowing down before the Pope, or a Cardinal, or a Bishop, or an image, and kissing his ring, is a clear indication that these men are not men of God but liars and hypocrites.

“Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book:”

The Book of Revelation is the unsealing of the sequence of the prophetic events of the scriptures. God has condensed all of the prophecies of the Old Testament, and the prophecies of the Lord Jesus, specifically Matthew Chapter 24 and 26, the prophecies of Paul, Jude, and Peter, into one grand prophetic Book: the Book of Revelation. If a person wants to learn the proper sequence of the history of the church, or, the Age of the Gentiles, the 7-Year Tribulation Period, the Restoration of the Sons of Israel, the Millennial Reign of Christ and the glories of the New Heaven and the New Earth, then he must have a proper understanding of the Book of Revelation.

Only the Book of Revelation has the proper prophetic sequence of events of all the prophecies, and promises ,of the other books of the Bible.

To the individual that simply believes that the scriptures are the truth of all matters, and that believes in the literal fulfillment of the prophecies of God, the Book of Revelation is mostly, not all, understood: or unsealed. The passages of scripture not fully understood will be fully understood by the preaching of the two witnesses at the appointed time.

Daniel – The Last Days

The Times, Dispensations, Determined by God

“But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.” Daniel 12:4. The book that the angel was referring to is the Book of Daniel and the prophecies contained therein. When, “the times of the Gentiles,” cease the last week of years (see Daniel 9:27), will start. Then, God will completely unseal the times spoken of in Daniel 12:5-13

The Restoration of the Nation of Israel

In Acts 1:6 the disciples asked the Lord Jesus, “... Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?” Acts 1:6

The Lord Jesus gave them, and us, the answer, “And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the time or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.” Acts 1:7

The disciples were thinking of the promises and prophecies of Isaiah 1:25-27, 5:5-12 and 28:9-12. The Apostle Peter clearly states in Acts 3:19-21 that the Lord Jesus will remain in heaven until He comes again to restore the nation of Israel and commence His Millennial Reign on earth as depicted in Revelation 19:11-21

Paul added, “And hath made of one blood all nations of men to dwell on all the face of the earth, and HATH DETERMINED THE TIMES BEFORE APPOINTED, and the bounds of their habitation.” Acts 17:6

God determines the times of the Gentiles and the times of the Jews.

The Gentile Church are not to, “observe times,” Galatians 4:10. The times, dispensations, in the Book of Daniel and the times of the 7 year Tribulation are only for the nation of Israel. The church is not on the face of the earth during the 7 Year Tribulation Period. That time, or dispensation, is reserved for the direct dealing of the nation of Israel as specifically revealed as revealed to Daniel in Daniel 9:24

“That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him.” Ephesians 1:10 The present dispensation is the Church Age. Once God completes His wrath upon the earth during the 7-Year Tribulation Period the Dispensation of the Restoration of Israel will commence.

As the nation of Israel is slowly ‘ripening’ as a nation and is ready to bud, the events of the Book of Daniel are being slowly unsealed further. Please study Matthew 24:32 and 33 and verse 43

The two witnesses, (Revelation 11:1-11), will fully expound the meaning of Daniel 12:5-13 completely and announce the soon coming of the Restoration of the Kingdom to Israel.

“He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.”

Brethren this solemn warning is not only for the lost; but it is for the saved. If a person is not going to repent of his filthy sins while he is still alive those filthy sins will not be forgiven and he will be held accountable in eternity.

Paul taught the Corinthian saints that when a person believes in Christ as their Saviour he becomes a righteous person in the sight of God; 1 Corinthians 1:31 and 2 Corinthians 5:21

Paul also taught the Corinthian saints that if a saint keeps his filthy fleshly sins, and was not righteous or holy in his daily walk with Christ, than that person also will be accountable for his actions in eternity; i.e. ‘still.’ Even a cursory reading of 1 and 2 Corinthians will be enough for any saint to see that the Christian walk of the Corinthian saints was not good. Some of these saints died, ‘still,’ in their sins: 1 Corinthians 11:30

Paul taught that when the saint stepped into eternity that he would be held accountable for his filthy sins and will be judged accordingly: not for salvation, but, for rewards for eternity: 1 Corinthians 3:15

Let this solemn warning encourage us to remain faithful to the Lord Jesus and to the true doctrines of the scriptures in these last days before His coming.

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The Lord Jesus is coming for his bride soon! The scriptures teach that the Lord Jesus will come and take us home to heaven without any notice, or, ‘imminent,’ without any visible signs, and within the twinkling of an eye we would meet the Lord Jesus in the air! And, this coming is for the church only. Only believers in Christ are involved: 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 and 1 Corinthians 15:51-56 and Matthew 24:42-44 May Jesus come today!

None of those verses suggest a secret rapture.

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How many second comings & judgements are there? Where do they fit in your scheme of things? 

 

​Hello Ian, hope things are going well with you. Quite a topic you have given for me to answer!

1. Second Comings.

I would like to qualify the term, 'Second Coming.' The term, 'Second coming,' is not found in the scriptures. One of the problems in eschatology is that when one person thinks of, ' the Second Coming,' and another person thinks of ,'the Second Coming,' they may be thinking of two different events described in the Bible as, "...the coming of the Lord ...'

Thus, brethren are confused when we say Jesus is coming again and one person thinks of the rapture, (another term not found in the scriptures) and the coming of the Lord Jesus as 'KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.'

In this context, I will answer that there are two times that the Lord Jesus is coming back; the first is to the clouds above us (not to the earth), as a thief, not visible to the lost, in order to take His Bride, the church (in this context, only those truly redeemed are part of His church). Please take special note that when Paul talks about this coming he states, "... the coming of the Lord..." 1 Thessalonians 4:15b the phrase, 'second coming' is not there. Paul continues and says, "... shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air ..." 1 Thessalonians 4:17b The Lord Jesus never sets His foot on the earth as described by Paul in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 and is coming only for the saved.

In this context, the second time the Lord Jesus comes to the earth is as KING OF KINGS AND LORD AND LORD as depicted in Revelation 1:7 and 19:11-21 Please take special note. Again, this coming in not called, 'the Second Coming,' in scripture either. Let me quote one of them. In the Olivet discourse the disciples asked the Lord Jesus three questions, one of the questions was, "... and what shall be the sign of thy coming..." Matthew 24:3 b Again, the phrase, 'second coming' is not written.

Special note: The context determines which coming is refered to by the speaker in scripture.

Special note. One of the reasons Matthew 24 and 25 are difficult to interpret correctly by many is that there are three different questions asked that the Lord Jesus answers.

2 Judgments,

I will only answer, in the context of the judgment of the saved and the lost, the following two judgments.

The saved will be judged by the Lord Jesus at the, "Judgement Seat of Christ," Romans 14:10-12 (please note the Old Testament reference to Isaiah 45:23) and 2 Corinthians 5:10. This judgment is for rewards for the saved and our position in service for the 1000 Year reign of Christ and for eternity.

In Revelation 20:11-15 we have the Great white Throne of Judgment for the lost throughout the ages. This judgment will also include the angels, Satan,  rewards for the Tribulation saints and the saints in the 1000 Year reign of Christ.

How do they fit into my scheme of things? That is a somewhat ackward question to answer as I just try and believe what I read and am happy and joyful of the wonderful blessings I personally receive studying the future events that God has planned.

As far as how the fit in the scheme (or plan of God)? I see them fitting perfectly, appropriately, and justly.

 

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None of those verses suggest a secret rapture.

​Hello Invicta,

You referenced 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18, 1 Corinthians 15:51-56 and Matthew 24:42-44

For meanings of older, and Biblical English words, I use the Noah Webster Dictionary of 1828 and for more modern meanings I use the, "American heritage Dictionary, Fifth Edition. Both may be helpful in this discussion.

One of the meanings of the word secret, (there are numerous meanings in both of these dictionaires), found in the Noah Webster Dictionary of 1828 and the American Heritage Dictionary, both list the following meaning : 1. concealed from knowledge or view. Also, in the Noah 1828 Dictionary, the number 7th., listed meaning is: Known to God only.

The, 'coming of the Lord...' as described by Paul in 1 Thessalonians 4;13-18 is, "concealed from knowledge or view," from the lost inhabitants of the earth. Hence, the word secret is used, properly understood and appropriate in connection to the concealed coming of the Lord Jesus for His saints as depicted in 1 Thessalonians 4:18. It is also concidered secret in 1  Corinthians 15:51-56 and Matthew 24:42-44 because the time of the coming is not known: it is concealed. And, it is known to God only.

The coming of the Lord Jesus in Revelation 1;7 and 19:11-21 is not in secret nor concealed. It is known and witnessed by all the earth. Hence, the coming in Revelation 19:11-21 cannot be considered secret; it is open knowledge to all.

I do hope that this helps you, and possibly others, why the word secret is used in connection with these aforementioned verses.

Thank you very much for the fine discussion and the necessity of me to clarify myself. At the end of this study I plan to revise the study in order to clarify statements, revise the grammer, so that I may be more fully understood. So, I honestly appreciate you bringing things like this to my attention.

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​Hello Invicta,

You referenced 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18, 1 Corinthians 15:51-56 and Matthew 24:42-44

For meanings of older, and Biblical English words, I use the Noah Webster Dictionary of 1828 and for more modern meanings I use the, "American heritage Dictionary, Fifth Edition. Both may be helpful in this discussion.

One of the meanings of the word secret, (there are numerous meanings in both of these dictionaires), found in the Noah Webster Dictionary of 1828 and the American Heritage Dictionary, both list the following meaning : 1. concealed from knowledge or view. Also, in the Noah 1828 Dictionary, the number 7th., listed meaning is: Known to God only.

The, 'coming of the Lord...' as described by Paul in 1 Thessalonians 4;13-18 is, "concealed from knowledge or view," from the lost inhabitants of the earth. Hence, the word secret is used, properly understood and appropriate in connection to the concealed coming of the Lord Jesus for His saints as depicted in 1 Thessalonians 4:18. It is also concidered secret in 1  Corinthians 15:51-56 and Matthew 24:42-44 because the time of the coming is not known: it is concealed. And, it is known to God only.

The coming of the Lord Jesus in Revelation 1;7 and 19:11-21 is not in secret nor concealed. It is known and witnessed by all the earth. Hence, the coming in Revelation 19:11-21 cannot be considered secret; it is open knowledge to all.

I do hope that this helps you, and possibly others, why the word secret is used in connection with these aforementioned verses.

Thank you very much for the fine discussion and the necessity of me to clarify myself. At the end of this study I plan to revise the study in order to clarify statements, revise the grammer, so that I may be more fully understood. So, I honestly appreciate you bringing things like this to my attention.

​You do read a lot that is not there the verses you mention.  Such as

 

1 Thess 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

 

13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.

14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
Matt 24:42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

 

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