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All the Jews will not return to Israel till Jesus comes back to Israel and the kingdom starts see Isaiah 60:1-22. The surviving gentiles will bring them home.

In Revelation 12, the "woman" (Israel) flees into the wilderness to hide from the Antichrist.  Isaiah 60 is a continuation of Ezekiel 37.  There is a regathering, then the Devil tries to totally wipe out the seed of Israel, then the Jews flee into the wilderness, then the Lord returns to save them and set up His kingdom, then the human survivors (the "sheep", not the "goats") enter into the Millennium.

 

And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed,
which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.  Rev 12:17
So, after the Church is gone to heaven, there will be Jews on earth that come to believe that Jesus is Messiah.
We can assume that they will not receive the Mark of the Beast and therefore will be targeted for martyrdom.
In light of this, passages such as Matthew 24, make a lot of sense, as they are directed at Tribulation Messianic Jews.
Edited by beameup

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In Revelation 12, the "woman" (Israel) flees into the wilderness to hide from the Antichrist.  Isaiah 60 is a continuation of Ezekiel 37.  There is a regathering, then the Devil tries to totally wipe out the seed of Israel, then the Jews flee into the wilderness, then the Lord returns to save them and set up His kingdom, then the human survivors (the "sheep", not the "goats") enter into the Millennium.

 

And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed,
which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.  Rev 12:17
So, after the Church is gone to heaven, there will be Jews on earth that come to believe that Jesus is Messiah.
We can assume that they will not receive the Mark of the Beast and therefore will be targeted for martyrdom.
In light of this, passages such as Matthew 24, make a lot of sense, as they are directed at Tribulation Messianic Jews.

 

Isaiah 59:20–60:4 KJV

 

20 And the Redeemer shall come to Zion, and unto them that turn from

transgression in JacOB, saith the Lord.

21 As for me, this is my covenant with them, saith the Lord; My spirit that is upon thee, and my words which I have put in thy mouth, shall not depart out of thy mouth, nor out of the mouth of thy seed, nor out of the mouth of thy seed’s seed, saith the Lord, from henceforth and for ever.

60 Arise, shine; for thy light is come, and the glory of the Lord is risen upon thee.

2 For, behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, and gross darkness the people: but the Lord shall arise upon thee, and his glory shall be seen upon thee.

 

THE KINGDOM OF JESUS            ␣ 201

 

3 And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness

of thy rising.

4 Lift up thine eyes round about, and see: all they gather themselves together, they come to thee: thy sons shall come from far, and thy daughters shall be nursed at thy side.

 

—Isaiah 59:20–60:4 KJV

Edited by Eric Stahl

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More than half of the Jews in the world live in Israel, they outnumber the ones living in the U.S. (especially New York). 

The fulfillment of this prophecy is already underway, but it will take a dramatic turn of events ("supernatural")

for the remainder to turn from the God of economics (ie: money) and return to Israel.  The "Chruch" will not be on

earth when that happens.  Prophecy often looks at the process from a condensed, "telescopic" viewpoint.

Edited by beameup

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Most estimates I have seen suggest that there are about 13-14 million Jews in the world. The vast majority of these Jews live in either the United States andIsrael, both with 5-6 million Jews.                        http://www.jewfaq.org/populatn.htm

 

 

 

With just over 6 million Jews, Israel is the only Jewish majority and explicitly Jewish state. Jewish population figures for the United States are contested, ranging between 5.4 and 6.8 million.     http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_population_by_country

This tread forces many facts out of context and into a theme that will fit this doctrinal theory.

 

In my short lifetime (48 years) I've heard people proclaim without any doubts the USSR was Magog. They said the USSR is communist prooving they are Magog. The USSR fell apart so they just changed their proclamation to that of Russia. Now they are saying, "look how fast Islam is growing in Russia, proving they are Magog." 

 

(Some of comments are almost word for word Les Feldick doctrine. Other comments seem to be that of Jack Van Impe doctrine.) 

Edited by MountainChristian

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Well now, that brings us to the crux of the prOBlem.  What did Jesus know, and when did he know it.  It clearly states that Jesus was the Minister to the Circumcision.  Paul states that the "mystery" was hidden, but was "now" revealed.  In other words, Paul states clearly that up until that time, the mystery was hidden.  Nothing in the Old Testament reveals the "mystery" of the Church.  Paul states that he is the apostle to the Gentiles and that they are saved by faith alone... without the Law.

If you "rightly divide" and set aside the Gospels and focus on Paul's Epistles, everything clears up.  God deals separately with "the Jews" and "the Church".  The Gospels are aimed at "the Jews", the Pauline Epistles are aimed at "the Church".

 

                                    :huh: 

 

25 And, behold, there was a man in Jerusalem, whose name was Simeon; and the same man was just and devout, waiting for the consolation of Israel: and the Holy Ghost was upon him.

26 And it was revealed unto him by the Holy Ghost, that he should not see death, before he had seen the Lord's Christ.

27 And he came by the Spirit into the temple: and when the parents brought in the child Jesus, to do for him after the custom of the law,

28 Then took he him up in his arms, and blessed God, and said,

29 Lord, now lettest thou thy servant depart in peace, according to thy word:

30 For mine eyes have seen thy salvation,

31 Which thou hast prepared before the face of all people;

32 A light to lighten the Gentiles, and the glory of thy people Israel.

Edited by Genevanpreacher

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A light to lighten the Gentiles, and the glory of thy people Israel.

When Jesus returns and sets up his throne in Jerusalem, Israel will be a light to the Gentiles.

Right now, Jesus is not "the GLORY of THY PEOPLE Israel". 

See all the OT passages concerning the Millennium.

 

And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising.  Isa 60:3
And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of JacOB,
and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles,
that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.  Isa 49:6
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A light to lighten the Gentiles, and the glory of thy people Israel.

When Jesus returns and sets up his throne in Jerusalem, Israel will be a light to the Gentiles.

Right now, Jesus is not "the GLORY of THY PEOPLE Israel". 

See all the OT passages concerning the Millennium.

 

And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising.  Isa 60:3
And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of JacOB,
and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles,
that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.  Isa 49:6

 

 

Can you give one quote for a 'millenium' from the O.T., can't think of one clearly right now. In whatever wording.

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Netanyahu has begun encouraging Jews in Europe to move to Israel.

Zechariah 2:6-7 God is telling Zion or Israel to leave the Daughter of Babylon when the Russian Jews are going home from the North.

 

Since 2/3 of the Jews outside Israel are in America, I believe America is the Daughter of Babylon for the end times.

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With the rise of anti-semitism in America, I doubt it will be long before Bibi starts encouraging American Jews to head to Israel

Zechariah 2:6–7 KJV

 

6 Ho, ho, come forth, and flee from the land of the north, saith the Lord: for I have spread you abroad as the four winds of the heaven, saith the Lord.

 

7 Deliver thyself, O Zion, that dwellest with the daughter of Babylon.

 

 

Zechariah 2:6 tells the Jews to come home from the north. About 1,250,000 Russian Jews have gone home to Israel since 1948. Israel now has a population of between 5,500,000 and 6,000,000 Jewish people. Close to 23% of Israel’s population has come from the Russian north since 1948. My mother paid for several Russian Jews’ passage home to Israel. This Bible passage is written for our time!

How did Zechariah know there would be a large population of Jewish people in the north? God told the prophets the future. Read and think about verse seven.

Notice that a group of Jews are still “living with the daughter of Babylon,” when the Russian Jews are going home. Since 2/3 of the Jews living outside Israel live in America, I believe America is the daughter of Babylon.

 

 

Babylon is the name of the Antichrist’s kingdom in Revelation. This Babylon is the political Babylon referred to in Revelation 16:19, which will be destroyed near the end of the tribulation.

 

19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.

—Revelation 16:19 KJV

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This is about the New Heavens and New Earth.

What about the 1000 years?

 

I know this is taught as the 1000 years, but it isn't.

Read the passage. Are children born in heaven or eternity? Is there sin in eternity? Is there death in eternity?

 

Isaiah 65:17-25 describes the earth in the kingdom age.

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Concerning Zechariah 2:6 & 7

 

OBviously it is referring to both the return of the Jews from Babylon to rebuild the Temple and it also prophetic, as Eric Stahl, points out. A lot of the prophesies had a dual meaning in the Old Testament prophets and this is one of them. Eric is correct and it is not a case of 'private interpretation.'

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Read the passage. Are children born in heaven or eternity? Is there sin in eternity? Is there death in eternity?

 

Isaiah 65:17-25 describes the earth in the kingdom age.

 

17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
18 But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.
19 And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.
20 There shall be no more thence* an infant of days, nor* an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.
*[Like in the time of our current earth]
But in eternity?
21 And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them.
22 They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.
23 They shall not labour in vain, nor bring forth for trouble; for they are the seed of the blessed of the LORD, and their offspring with them.
24 And it shall come to pass, that before they call, I will answer; and while they are yet speaking, I will hear.
25 The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD.
We will have an existence in eternity to enjoy existing through living.

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17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
18 But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.
19 And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.
20 There shall be no more thence* an infant of days, nor* an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.
*[Like in the time of our current earth]
But in eternity?
21 And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them.
22 They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.
23 They shall not labour in vain, nor bring forth for trouble; for they are the seed of the blessed of the LORD, and their offspring with them.
24 And it shall come to pass, that before they call, I will answer; and while they are yet speaking, I will hear.
25 The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD.
We will have an existence in eternity to enjoy existing through living.

 

Notice verse 20. The child becomes a sinner at 100 years old which is the age of accountability in the kingdom age. There is on sin in heaven. Also it is possible to fill your days and die in the kingdom.

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Notice verse 20. The child becomes a sinner at 100 years old which is the age of accountability in the kingdom age. There is on sin in heaven. Also it is possible to fill your days and die in the kingdom.

 

You OBviously are not looking at the wording I highlighted in post #68 verse 20??

It is comparing the old earth to the new earth. And you apply a made up view to the verses

and create a 'millenium' set up.

 
17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
18 But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.
19 And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.

 

 

Compare in the book of Revelation 21 -

 

1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

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Brethren,

 

In Revelation 20:1-7 we have the literal 1000 Year Reign of the Lord Jesus. In verse 1 and 2 Satan is bound during this time.The prophecies of Zechariah 14:4, 8,10 and 11 are fulfilled. the Milleninal Temple that Ezekiel prophesied in Ezekiel chapter 40-48 is also fulfilled; literally.

 

Isaiah 65:20, "There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed."

 

During the Millenium people will live for a long time, as in Genesis before the flood, but the Millenial reign is not heaven nor is it considered eternity.

 

In Revelation 20: 7-10 Satan is loosed, for  a very short period and, again, deceives most of the world. After the great battle of God and Magog, Satan is cast into the lake of fire for eternity; see Ezekiel chapter 38 and 39.

 

In Revelation 20:11-15 we have the final judgment, the 'Great White Throne of Judgment.'

 

Now, in Revelation 21:1 we read, "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. and I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride for her husband." 

 

There will be no more death in heaven, heaven is on the earth at this time, and nOBody will die in eternity.

 

The passage from Isaiah 65:17-25 is referring to different times.

 

The prophets, as here, did not necessarily speak in the proper sequence of events.The proper order of future events is in the Book of Revelation. A lot of the confusuion is, at times, trying to put the proper sequence of events as the prophet spoke of them. In the Book of Revelation we have the complete and proper sequence of events. 

 

Isaiah 65:17, "For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come to mind." The proper sequence of the filfillment of this prophecy is recorded in Revelation 21:1, which is after the Millenium and the Great White throne of Judgment.

 

Isaiah 65:18-25 is a direct reference to the 1000 Year Millenial Reign of Christ.  

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17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

 

During the tribulation the atmosphere is burned and rolled up as a scroll. Isaiah 25:25-26 tells us that the sun will become 7 fold strength. Revelation 16:8-9 tells us the sun will burn men.

 

When Jesus comes back to earth he will heal the atmosphere and the land or people could not live on earth.

 

After the 1000 year kingdom age man will revolt with the devil and God will send down fire and destroy the earth again so it will be refurbished again after the 1000 years.

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