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Russia (Magog) & Iran (Persia) Sign Defense Deal - Ezek 38-39


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Liberals use Daniel 11 to dispute that there was more than one "Daniel", because that chapter exactly fits the death of Alexander the Great and the division of his empire between his 4 generals.

The king of the south fits with Ptolemy and his rule over Egypt, and the king of the north fits with Seleucus who ruled Syria.  These two were constantly battling each other, much taking place in Palestine.

So, in this respect, this is considered a fulfilled prophecy.  No offence to Hal Lindsay, but he tried to put every prophecy into the Tribulation.

 

And here is another one.

 

 

It will be the same people that attack the willful king we call the antichrist only later in time. Daniel 11:40-43a

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And here is another one.

Invicta,

Please read Daniel 11:35 again. The prophecy is for the end of time from Daniel 11:36 and on. The antichrist will sign a covenant to bring peace to the Middle East by dividing Israel. Revelation 11:1-2 tells us that Israel keeps all of Jerusalem and gets half of the temple mount to rebuild the temple.

 

Daniel 11:40-43a explains that the local Arab nations will break the treaty and attack. The treaty OBligation will cause the antichrist to come to Israel’s defense. The Russians would come also but God turns them back till the Arabs are defeated then puts a hook in Russia's jaw and draws them down to be destroyed by the antichrist and the western powers.

 

 

 

 

Daniel 11:35-45
35 And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end: because it is yet for a time appointed.

36 And the king(666) shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvelous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.
37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.
38 But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.

39 Thus shall he((666)) do in the most strong holds(((Western Powers))) with a strange god, whom he shall acknowledge and increase with glory: and he shall cause them to rule over many, and shall divide the land(((Israel))) for gain.

(((white horse)))
40 And at the time of the end shall the king of the south(((Egypt))) push at him: and the king of the north(((Syria))) shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over.
41 He(((666))) shall enter also into the glorious land(((Israel))), and many countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon.(((Jordan)))
42 He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape.
43a But he shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt:


(((Red Horse Ezekiel 38:1-12)))

43b
and the Libyans and the Ethiopians shall be at his steps.

44 But tidings out of the east(((Persia))) and out of the north(((Russia and Turkey))) shall trouble him: therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many.

45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain(((Israel))); yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him. (((The seat of the beast)))
 

When the Russian alliance comes against Israel the Western powers will already be there.

 

 

 

Jeremiah 6:22-23

22 Thus saith the LORD, Behold, a people cometh from the north(((Russia))) country, and a great nation shall be raised from the sides of the earth.

23They shall lay hold on bow and spear; they are cruel, and have no mercy; their voice roareth like the sea; and they ride upon horses, set in array as men for war against thee, O daughter of Zion

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Invicta,

Please read Daniel 11:35 again. The prophecy is for the end of time from Daniel 11:36 and on. The antichrist will sign a covenant to bring peace to the Middle East by dividing Israel. Revelation 11:1-2 tells us that Israel keeps all of Jerusalem and gets half of the temple mount to rebuild the temple. **

 

Daniel 11:40-43a explains that the local Arab nations will break the treaty and attack. The treaty OBligation will cause the antichrist to come to Israel’s defense. The Russians would come also but God turns them back till the Arabs are defeated then puts a hook in Russia's jaw and draws them down to be destroyed by the antichrist and the western powers. ***

 

 

 

 

Daniel 11:35-45
35 And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end: because it is yet for a time appointed.

36 And the king(666) **** shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvelous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.
37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.
38 But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.

39 Thus shall he((666)) do in the most strong holds(((Western Powers))) ***** with a strange god, whom he shall acknowledge and increase with glory: and he shall cause them to rule over many, and shall divide the land(((Israel))) for gain.

(((white horse)))
40 And at the time of the end shall the king of the south(((Egypt))) push at him: and the king of the north(((Syria))) shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over.
41 He(((666))) shall enter also into the glorious land(((Israel))), and many countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon.(((Jordan)))
42 He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape.
43a But he shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt:


(((Red Horse Ezekiel 38:1-12)))

43b
and the Libyans and the Ethiopians shall be at his steps.

44 But tidings out of the east(((Persia))) and out of the north(((Russia and Turkey))) shall trouble him: therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many.

45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain(((Israel))); yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him. (((The seat of the beast)))
 

When the Russian alliance comes against Israel the Western powers will already be there. ++

 

 

 

Jeremiah 6:22-23

22 Thus saith the LORD, Behold, a people cometh from the north(((Russia))) country, and a great nation shall be raised from the sides of the earth.

23They shall lay hold on bow and spear; they are cruel, and have no mercy; their voice roareth like the sea; and they ride upon horses, set in array as men for war against thee, O daughter of Zion

 

** It does not.

 

*** It does not.

 

**** Huh?

 

***** Streeeeetch!

 

++ Unclear from your verses.

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Dan 11 40.  And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over.

 

When you see "The time of the end" or similar phrases, you automatically take it to mean the end time.  But you should look at it another way.  It means the time of the end of the period that is being spoken about.  This chapter is mainly about the Greek empire.  It starts with the end of the Persian empire and the transition to the Greek empire with its willful king, Alexander,  It continues with the wars between the kings of Antioch, against those of the Ptolemys in Egypt.  The prophecies were so accurate that they are one of the reasons unbelievers have said Daniel was written later.  I refers to the coming of the Romans at the time of Antiochus Epihanes.  The Roman general stopped Antiochus in his march on Egypt, drawing a line in the sand and saying "If you cross that line you are a dead man." (Or words to that effect. )  Antiochus then vented his anger on the Jews.  Then we have the war of independence by the Macabees. Then the time f the end (of the Greek kingdoms. The last Greek king was Cleopatra.  The Romans came against her and Antony with many ships. The king of the north by this time was Rome as they had long overrun the Syrians.

 

The willful king who emerged at this time was Herod.  Who was king of the Jews.It ends with the Lord Jesus when 12:1  ¶  And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: 

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At the time of the end the Psalm 83 war against Israel will be by every bordering country. The antichrist who has signed the covenant

 

for Israel will come as a peace treaty enforcer Revelation 6:1-2. The Russians and the next ring of Muslim countries will then attack.

 

That is the time of the Red horse which is described in Daniel 11:43b-44 and Ezekiel 38:1-13.

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There are some that feel that there will be a rather long period between the fulfillment of Psalm 83 and Ezekiel 38-39, and that both of these events precede the Tribulation.  I know that Hal Lindsey likes to lump all these events into a short period of time, but not everyone follows his "timeline".

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There are some that feel that there will be a rather long period between the fulfillment of Psalm 83 and Ezekiel 38-39, and that both of these events precede the Tribulation.  I know that Hal Lindsey likes to lump all these events into a short period of time, but not everyone follows his "timeline".

I expect the temple to be built after the tribulation starts and before the Psalm 83 war. The Ezekiel 38 war is complete before the middle of the tribulation so the two phases of war must be close together, Daniel 11:36-45 seems to agree.

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Brethren,

 

Bro. Cloud, Way of Life, has a fine article on the last days and scoffers, 2 Peter 3:3-7, on OnLine Baptist. I would suggest all of those with an interest in the last days to read it.

 

I throughly agree with Bro. Cloud. His exposition of 2 Peter 3;3-7 dovetails with other prophesies concerning the last days prior to the Rapture of the church and the start of the 7 Year Tribulation Period. The rise of Darwinism, and the public scoffing of a literal creation, the erroneous 'Gap Theory' among the brethren, in my viewpoint, is a fulfillment of the Apostle Peter's prophecy.

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Babylon has to rise to glOBal supremacy as an economic superpower.  Islam fundamentalism looks at the 9th century as the "ideal" society.

There is no way that Babylon the Great can appear until this backwards-looking medieval idea of an Islamic Caliphate is utterly destroyed/discredited.

 

Certainly the total defeat of Arabs that attack Israel, as illustrated in Psalm 83, will hasten the demise of Islam's "Allah" and elevate "Jehovah".

This will bring about an "exodus" of Jews back into the Holy Land (Ezek 37).

 

Some suggest that the real "mother load" of petroleum is found under Babylon, and that it will be formed from the remains of the Garden of Eden.

Abundance of cheap crude oil could bring about tremendous glOBal growth in Asia and India and Africa.

 

How long will this transition take?  At least a decade.

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Babylon has to rise to glOBal supremacy as an economic superpower.  Islam fundamentalism looks at the 9th century as the "ideal" society.

There is no way that Babylon the Great can appear until this backwards-looking medieval idea of an Islamic Caliphate is utterly destroyed/discredited.

 

Certainly the total defeat of Arabs that attack Israel, as illustrated in Psalm 83, will hasten the demise of Islam's "Allah" and elevate "Jehovah".

This will bring about an "exodus" of Jews back into the Holy Land (Ezek 37).

 

Some suggest that the real "mother load" of petroleum is found under Babylon, and that it will be formed from the remains of the Garden of Eden.

Abundance of cheap crude oil could bring about tremendous glOBal growth in Asia and India and Africa.

 

How long will this transition take?  At least a decade.

I believe America is the daughter of Babylon because this is where the most Jews are now that the Russian Jews have gone home from the north. Read Zechariah 2:6-7

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Ezekiel 37, "dry bones", documents the re-gathering of "the whole house of Israel" into the promised land.

This is yet future.  A lot of things have to happen in Israel for this to occur.  I like to compare it to the

Exodus from Egypt.  The Egyptians actually gladly gave the Jews gold and silver just to get rid of them.

Now, with the church absent from the earth, the Devil will turn his wrath upon the Jews, to wipe them out,

as they have gathered in one place on earth... Israel.  If the Devil can totally wipe out the seed of Israel,

then Messiah will not come back to the earth.  That's his "logic" anyway.

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I believe America is the daughter of Babylon because this is where the most Jews are now that the Russian Jews have gone home from the north. Read Zechariah 2:6-7

 

Not all Russian Jews.  My son in the US was married to a Russian Jewess whose family went to Israel then promptly moved on to the USA, where they now live,  Perhaps the Caliphate is Babylon the great, or more likely it is Rome as plainly shown in Revelation.

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I believe America is the daughter of Babylon because this is where the most Jews are now that the Russian Jews have gone home from the north. Read Zechariah 2:6-7

I believe you stated it wrong.  It should be, Some of the Russian Jews have gone home from the north.

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Not all Russian Jews.  My son in the US was married to a Russian Jewess whose family went to Israil then promptly moved on to the USA, where they now live,  Perhaps the Caliphate is Babylon the great, or more likely it is Rome as plainly shown in Revelation.

If you read Zechariah 2:6-7 it teaches that Zion or the Jews are to also go home from the Daughter of Babylon when the Russian Jews are going home from the North. 2/3 of the Jews outside Israel are in America so I believe America is the Daughter of Babylon.

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