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http://www.businessinsider.com/russia-iran-signed-military-cooperation-2015-1

 

Russia and Iran are aligning more and more.

In Tehran on Tuesday, Russian defense minister Sergei Shoigu and his Iranian counterpart, defense minister Hossein Dehghan, signed an agreement on "military cooperation" between the two countries, according to the state-controlled news agency


 And I will turn thee back, and put hooks into thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth, and all thine army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed with all sorts of armour, even a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords

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What about the evidence with suggests Magog is Turkey, not Russia?

 

Get a glOBe, place one end of a string on Jerusalem and the other at the North Pole. Begin your search there.

 

As to the latest news cycle; the association between Russia and Iran over the past few decades is nothing new. It's also little different than the American association with Iran before our pet dictator was overthrown there.

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The U.S. and the E.U. are pushing the world into two camps.  I think George Bush said it best, "If you ain't with us you are against us".  Any nations that won't Kow Tow to the way the U.S. want the world to be is an enemy of the West.  Why would it be surprising to anyone that those we consider our enemies would consider us a danger to their existence and "circle the wagons".  It doesn't matter whether we are right or wrong (though I think we are wrong) in our behavior with foreign powers, all governments must act in what they perceive in the best interests of their people.  

 

World leaders are not Christians (in my opinion anyway) so don't expect them to act as such.  They have no Godly wisdom or direction for their actions.  Their actions are based on human experience and (in their opinion) "what works" meaning they are for the most part pragmatists.  Morality or love of fellow man figures little in their thinking.  

 

Then their is that old saying, "the enemy of my enemy is my friend".  We have chosen, out of hubris, to make Russia an enemy instead of our friend.  Why should we be surprised if it decides to befriend someone else we consider our enemy.  Very pragmatic it would seem to me.  Safety in numbers, I guess.  Sorry for all the old cliches. 

 

I think that it is not necessary to add all this nation realigning business up into an end times scenario.  The New World Order may be behind it all, or Satan, or even OBama or Putin.  I don't know, but in the end God is in control of the outcome.  Oh!  Just one more old cliche we might all think about by that old philosopher Alfred E. Newman, "What me worry".Alfred-600-me-worry.jpg

 

Sorry, couldn't help myself.

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Russia is totally corrupt from top to bottom.

Russia has a one-commodity economy...OIL

Russia is undergoing hyperinflation; oil prices are plummeting.

Traditionally, the solution to such prOBlems is to INVADE another country and steal their wealth.

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Russia is totally corrupt from top to bottom.

Russia has a one-commodity economy...OIL

Russia is undergoing hyperinflation; oil prices are plummeting.

Traditionally, the solution to such prOBlems is to INVADE another country and steal their wealth.

I hate to always sound like I am trying to cast Russia in a good light and the U.S. in  bad light but . . . . 

Russia is totally corrupt from top to bottom . . . . so is the U.S.

 

Russia has a one-commodity economy...OIL . . . . Yes, that has been true up till now.

 

Russia is undergoing hyperinflation; oil prices are plummeting. . . . Russia is not undergoing hyperinflation.  Instead of getting definitions of inflation and other economic things from the MSM one should check other sources that are available.  One could start with getting definitions of inflation from a dictionary and compare with the numbers available from many financial news sources.  As for the oil situation: The oil prOBlem is also a big prOBlem in the U.S.  The price of crude has gone below the cost of production in many U.S. oil patches as well as world wide.   Almost all the new technologies including fracking, such as in North Dakota and Canada and Canadian tar sands will have to stop causing unemployment and other prOBlems here.  So the price will have to go back up in due course.  No free lunches.

 

NOBody has to like Russians or anybody else for that matter, but it would be a wonderful thing if one based their likes or dislikes on facts.

 

Traditionally, the solution to such prOBlems is to INVADE another country and steal their wealth.. . . . Not just a Russia prOBlem and not a prOBlem at this time.  One could do an in depth study of the U.S. wars as well as a history of all wars and see if this is only a Russian sin.

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What about the evidence with suggests Magog is Turkey, not Russia?

 

Get a glOBe, place one end of a string on Jerusalem and the other at the North Pole. Begin your search there.

 

As to the latest news cycle; the association between Russia and Iran over the past few decades is nothing new. It's also little different than the American association with Iran before our pet dictator was overthrown there.

 

I understood that Magog was Georgia, south of Russia.  Some thought that is was connected with Stalin as he was from Georgia.

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Perhaps, but since no one is sure who Magog is, it's unwise to demonize or place all focus on one particular nation as such.

 

Turkey, the Black Sea, Ukraine, and Russia are north of Israel. Turkey is one of Magog's allies. Moscow Russia is north of Jerusalem.

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Turkey, the Black Sea, Ukraine, and Russia are north of Israel. Turkey is one of Magog's allies. Moscow Russia is north of Jerusalem.

If you wish, you can view this short video http://wn.com/magog which shows that Ankara, Turkey is directly north of Jerusalem, not Moscow. There are also several other points given which point to Turkey as Magog, not Russia. Considering your love for prophecy, this video will likely be of interest to you.

 

It's video #2 on their playlist, titled, "Gog Magog identified. IT'S NOT RUSSIA." It's only 7:12 long but he also goes some into the coming war referenced in Scripture too. You will prOBably have to specifically click on the #2 video on the playlist, as otherwise it want's to start with the first video.

 

This isn't the link I was looking for, but I hope it works for you.

 

Eric,

I'm editing to add a direct link to the particular video which is easily accessed in this youtube link:

https://video.search.yahoo.com/video/play;_ylt=A2KLqIXx.cBUCDkA8wf7w8QF;_ylu=X3oDMTByN2RnbHFOBHNlYwNzcgRzbGsDdmlkBHZ0aWQDBGdwb3MDMw--?p=gog+identified+it%27s+not+russia+youtube+video&vid=c09da12e41372a29bd54b6ce33974004&l=7%3A12&turl=http%3A%2F%2Fts3.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DVN.608047703168909742%26pid%3D15.1&rurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DClKMzSRtnn8&tit=Gog+Magog+Identified+ITS+NOT+RUSSIA&c=2&sigr=11bslmdkm&sigt=11359nuco&sigi=11rv5odnq&age%5B0%5D=1392445456&fr2=p%3As%2Cv%3Av%2Cm%3Asa&fr=ush-mailn_02&tt=b

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If you wish, you can view this short video http://wn.com/magog which shows that Ankara, Turkey is directly north of Jerusalem, not Moscow. There are also several other points given which point to Turkey as Magog, not Russia. Considering your love for prophecy, this video will likely be of interest to you.

 

It's video #2 on their playlist, titled, "Gog Magog identified. IT'S NOT RUSSIA." It's only 7:12 long but he also goes some into the coming war referenced in Scripture too. You will prOBably have to specifically click on the #2 video on the playlist, as otherwise it want's to start with the first video.

 

This isn't the link I was looking for, but I hope it works for you.

 

Eric,

I'm editing to add a direct link to the particular video which is easily accessed in this youtube link:

https://video.search.yahoo.com/video/play;_ylt=A2KLqIXx.cBUCDkA8wf7w8QF;_ylu=X3oDMTByN2RnbHFOBHNlYwNzcgRzbGsDdmlkBHZ0aWQDBGdwb3MDMw--?p=gog+identified+it%27s+not+russia+youtube+video&vid=c09da12e41372a29bd54b6ce33974004&l=7%3A12&turl=http%3A%2F%2Fts3.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DVN.608047703168909742%26pid%3D15.1&rurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DClKMzSRtnn8&tit=Gog+Magog+Identified+ITS+NOT+RUSSIA&c=2&sigr=11bslmdkm&sigt=11359nuco&sigi=11rv5odnq&age%5B0%5D=1392445456&fr2=p%3As%2Cv%3Av%2Cm%3Asa&fr=ush-mailn_02&tt=b

Turkey is the tribe of Togarmah and is an allie of Magog

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As the Gog-Magog battle occurs after the millennium, why are you interested? 

 

Or do you agree with me that the millennium is drawing to a close?

Hosea 5:14-6:3

Israel is to be raised up two days or 2000 years after Jesus went back to heaven. In the third day (the millennium)Israel will live with Jesus.

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Turkey is the tribe of Togarmah and is an allie of Magog

Where is the proof of this? I've done a fair amount of research into this and there is a great deal of conflicting information, mostly theories, on this matter?

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Reading from the KJB the verses you cited in Daniel and it doesn't say that.

He will do his will in the most strongholds before he divides Israel and the the kings of the south and north of Israel attack.

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He will do his will in the most strongholds before he divides Israel and the the kings of the south and north of Israel attack.

That certainly doesn't say the antichrist will be the leader of the most powerful nation at that time.

 

Most pre-trib rapture folks believe this is referring to a revived Roman Empire in Europe, possibly having something to do with or coming out of the current EU. While Scripture doesn't speak of this as direct fact, there is far more circumstantial evidence in Scripture to support that view than your idea antichrist will rule America.

 

We should also consider that the EU is currently an economic powerhouse while America is going on a decades long economic crisis. American debt is growing quickly and will soon reach the point where she can't pay more than the interest on the loans which will cause further economic crisis. Meanwhile, several other nations are on the upswing, including China, India and Brazil.

 

It's debatable right now as to just which nation is currently the most powerful and we certainly can't predict where the power will be in the future just as we can't predict the return of Christ.

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That certainly doesn't say the antichrist will be the leader of the most powerful nation at that time.

 

Most pre-trib rapture folks believe this is referring to a revived Roman Empire in Europe, possibly having something to do with or coming out of the current EU. While Scripture doesn't speak of this as direct fact, there is far more circumstantial evidence in Scripture to support that view than your idea antichrist will rule America.

 

We should also consider that the EU is currently an economic powerhouse while America is going on a decades long economic crisis. American debt is growing quickly and will soon reach the point where she can't pay more than the interest on the loans which will cause further economic crisis. Meanwhile, several other nations are on the upswing, including China, India and Brazil.

 

It's debatable right now as to just which nation is currently the most powerful and we certainly can't predict where the power will be in the future just as we can't predict the return of Christ.

 

2 Thessalonians 2:6-12 After the taking up of the church with the Holy Spirit that letteth, God will cause everyone who has heard and rejected the gospel of Jesus to believe the lie of Antichrist. All "Christian" nations will follow antichrist and maybe red China.

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2 Thessalonians 2:6-12 After the taking up of the church with the Holy Spirit that letteth, God will cause everyone who has heard and rejected the gospel of Jesus to believe the lie of Antichrist. All "Christian" nations will follow antichrist and maybe red China.

That's a lot of speculation there. Just who are the "Christian" nations? Research in America and Europe indicate a large percentage of the population has never heard the Gospel.

 

Beyond that, the verses you cite still say nothing of America, the antichrist ruling America, what nation or group of nations will be the powerbase when Christ returns.

 

If you have a theory about how the end times will play out that's fine, but it should be presented as such rather than as biblical fact, and then it can be discussed as such.

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That's a lot of speculation there. Just who are the "Christian" nations? Research in America and Europe indicate a large percentage of the population has never heard the Gospel.

 

Beyond that, the verses you cite still say nothing of America, the antichrist ruling America, what nation or group of nations will be the powerbase when Christ returns.

 

If you have a theory about how the end times will play out that's fine, but it should be presented as such rather than as biblical fact, and then it can be discussed as such.

Permanent SOLAR ECLIPSE over Israel

 

Read Revelation 16:10-11 in the KJV

The antichrist will come from the dark place on earth before Armageddon.

Habakkuk 3:11-13
The sun and moon will stand still over Israel and go from view. Why or how?

Joel said the sun and moon and stars will with drawl their shining.

Amos 8:9 the sun will set at noon on a clear day.

Isaiah 60:1-2, 19-22

During the kingdom age the sun and moon will be over Israel and will not

With-drawl but will not give light to Israel.

Jesus will be over Israel in the New Jerusalem and his glory will be the light over Israel.

I believe God will take hold of the ends of the earth and slow the rotation of the earth to cause a permanent solar eclipse over Israel.

JOB 38:11,15 KJV

If the sun stays over Israel, America will stay dark!

There will be darkness on the kingdom of the antichrist. Revelation 16:10-11


Consider the above and let me know what you think.

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I think a lot of the who is governing who, and where is what, will be taken care of in the Tribulation Period.

 

Of which I do not plan on being here as I will be in the air!!!!! :godisgood::coffee2: Come Lord Jesus!

 

As tribulation for believers, at the hands of the ungodly, is prophesied as a normal condition, the whole Gospel age is tribulation period. Whether tribulation will intensify towards the time of Jesus' return is unclear in Scripture. e.g. John 16:33 Acts 14:22 Rev. 1:9 

 

Rebellion & ungodliness is likely to increase. e.g. Gen. 6:5 Gen. 15:16  Isa. 5:20 Mat. 23:32-33 2 Peter 3:9  From these references, it seems that God is longsuffering, allowing wickedness to increase beyond the point of repentance, before judgement. 

 

Many believers in the past have suffered tribulation, some of us will suffer tribulation - & some are presently suffering intense tribulation. I know the "great tribulation" has been developed by dispensationalists into a grand finale & raptured believers will have a grand-stand view, but that is not what Scripture teaches. Jesus taught the great trib would be in the years leading up to the destruction. Mat. 24:16-22 

 

Permanent SOLAR ECLIPSE over Israel

 

Read Revelation 16:10-11 in the KJV

The antichrist will come from the dark place on earth before Armageddon.

Habakkuk 3:11-13
The sun and moon will stand still over Israel and go from view. Why or how?

Joel said the sun and moon and stars will with drawl their shining.

Amos 8:9 the sun will set at noon on a clear day.

Isaiah 60:1-2, 19-22

During the kingdom age the sun and moon will be over Israel and will not

With-drawl but will not give light to Israel.

Jesus will be over Israel in the New Jerusalem and his glory will be the light over Israel.

I believe God will take hold of the ends of the earth and slow the rotation of the earth to cause a permanent solar eclipse over Israel.

JOB 38:11,15 KJV

If the sun stays over Israel, America will stay dark!

There will be darkness on the kingdom of the antichrist. Revelation 16:10-11


Consider the above and let me know what you think.

 

We need to keep in view Jesus as the light of the world. It is spiritual darkness without him. 

 

When you quote the prophets, it is important to consider the context. 

 

Habakkuk was concerned about the wickedness of the people of God - & the reply was they would be judged by the Chaldean invasion. (Babylonian captivity.) Hab. 3 is written in the past tense, as Habakkuk remembers God's faithfulness in the past, as the basis for living by faith in troubled times. The references are to God's deliverance of them from Egypt, & their experiences in the wilderness & the conquest of the promised land. See e.g.  Hab. 3:11 & Jos. 10:13 It is now prophecy, but history that the cross references show.  Habakkuk 2:4 is quoted in Romans 1:17, Galatians 3:11 & Hebrews 10:38 We must live by faith in a faithful God whatever we may suffer. Rom. 8:35-39 

 

Much of OT prophecy is quoted in the NT as referring to the life & saving work of Jesus. We miss the thrust & application if we make it all yet future "end times."

 

You snatch verses out of context to try to justify your bizarre theories. 

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