Bbc Radio Service For Holy Innocents

[Covenanter]

I've just listened again to last Sunday's Radio 4 service.
I recommend it. The music is a refreshing contrast to both formal organ (keyboard) music (like mine) & the modern pop-style music.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b04vjysv

 

 

Marking Holy Innocents from Wesley's Chapel London with carols in the West Gallery style.

 

Click on the arrowhead on the photo to listen. 

 

 

[Standing Firm In Christ]

Holy Innocents Day? Childermas? Teaching yet another non-baptist OBservance. smh

[Covenanter]

Holy Tnnocents Day? Childermas? Teaching yet another non-baptist OBservance. smh

Who said anything about "Holy Tnnocents Day? Childermas?" Not me, & not the broadcast service. 

 

You're OBviously better informed about such things than me. Matthew 2 is in my Bible. Is it in yours? 

[Standing Firm In Christ]

You typed the title of the thread , did you not?

[Alimantado]

I wonder what planet you're on sometimes, Cov. You act like SFIC mentioning 'Holy Innocents Day' just came out of nowhere and has nothing to do with the OP, yet you typed exactly those words into the thread title and both the broadcast audio and the website text mentions 'Feast of the Holy Innocents', 'Holy Innocents Day' and 'marking Holy Innocents' multiple times.

[Covenanter]

 

You typed the tithe of the thread , did you not?

Sorry - Yes - I just looked at & edited the title. It wasn't in my OP. And I did NOT write "Childermas"

 

I was taken aback by the attack. It did not occur to me that remembering the victims of the dreadful event of Mat. 2:16 was a "non-baptist OBservance." 

 

Nor did it occur to me that the thread would be contentious. 

[Standing Firm In Christ]

Holy Innocence day is Childermas. I am sure you already knew that.

[Standing Firm In Christ]

Did you read the liturgy on the BBC page you linked to? One of the songssung is, "A Virgin Most Pure" that is Catholic doctrine, not Baptist. The Bible does not say Mary was most pure... Or even pure at all for that matter.

Baptist do occasionally mention the children that Herod had slaughtered. However, they do not exalt them as Childermas (Holy Innocence Day) does.

[Covenanter]

Did you read the liturgy on the BBC page you linked to? One of the songssung is, "A Virgin Most Pure" that is Catholic doctrine, not Baptist. The Bible does not say Mary was most pure... Or even pure at all for that matter.

Baptist do occasionally mention the children that Herod had slaughtered. However, they do not exalt them as Childermas (Holy Innocence Day) does.

 

Being pure is not only for RCs. It is expected of all believers. e.g. 

 

1 Tim. 1:5 Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:

 

2 Tim. 2:22 Flee also youthful lusts: but follow righteousness, faith, charity, peace, with them that call on the Lord out of a pure heart.

 

1 John 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

[Standing Firm In Christ]

Now show us how Mary was most pure?

Because my Bible says she was in need of a Saviour. OBviously she was not pure, else she would not have needed a Saviour.

[Alimantado]

Well, just going on the OP, yes I enjoyed the worship style and very interesting to learn a bit about what folk were doing before organs.

[Covenanter]

The carol doesn't say "without sin." As a virgin Mary was pure in body, & as one who acknowledged God my Saviour she was a true believer, saved from her sins.  As we are encouraged to be pure, so was she. You're just looking for trouble.

 

What did you think of the music? 

 

 

Alimantado:

Well, just going on the OP, yes I enjoyed the worship style and very interesting to learn a bit about what folk were doing before organs.

 

Thanks for listening - & enjoying. Thomas Hardy's novel "Under the Greenwood Tree" features the local church "choir" & its replacement by a barrel organ. 

 

I love that version of "While Shepherds watched their flocks." The hymn tune was, I understand, parodied by a church outing on Ilkley Moor & the parody took over. I've got "Cranbook" in one of my hymnboks, & I have used the tune in church. That tune gives real impact to the last line of every verse. I think the usual tune is rather weak. 

 

Cranbrook (sorry about the sweety graphics - as a diabetic, I can't eat them.)

 

[Standing Firm In Christ]

To tell you the truth, I didn't listen to it. I don't submit myself to listening to any catholic/catholic based services.

And Mary was not pure in body. She could not have been. Everyone's body is corrupt, everyone's heart is deceitful and desperately wicked. She was no exception.

[John81]

Were we called to find some fault in everything or to love one another? Who is perfect of any of us? Certainly not I, nor Mary even though she was a pure virgin who found favor with God and was not only blessed to give birth to our Saviour but was herself a follower of Christ.

 

Anyone recall the history of hymns and how they were originally considered unfit for use in church services?

 

Virtually any music brought up on OB comes under some form of attack from someone. From the looks of so many threads here it seems many of us only believe in the independence of each church when it comes to our own but not others.

 

If one person posts they have Bluegrass Gospel in their church another will condemn them and some will go into attack mode. We spend far too much time poking at another persons eye splinter rather than tending to that two-by-four in our own.

 

I really miss the actual conversations, fellowship, friendship and Christian love that was evident here years ago.

 

(so no one will jump to wild conclusions, this is a general posting and not aimed at any individual nor to any particular post in this thread)

[Invicta]

The carol doesn't say "without sin." As a virgin Mary was pure in body, & as one who acknowledged God my Saviour she was a true believer, saved from her sins.  As we are encouraged to be pure, so was she. You're just looking for trouble.

 

What did you think of the music? 

 

 

Thanks for listening - & enjoying. Thomas Hardy's novel "Under the Greenwood Tree" features the local church "choir" & its replacement by a barrel organ. 

 

I love that version of "While Shepherds watched their flocks." The hymn tune was, I understand, parodied by a church outing on Ilkley Moor & the parody took over. I've got "Cranbook" in one of my hymnboks, & I have used the tune in church. That tune gives real impact to the last line of every verse. I think the usual tune is rather weak. 

 

Cranbrook (sorry about the sweety graphics - as a diabetic, I can't eat them.)

 

That tune was originally written for a hymn "Grace 'tis a charming sound", but is usually recognized as the Yorkshire anthem "On Ilkla  Moor Baht 'at"  But if you tell a Yorkshireman that it is a Kent tune he is unlikely to believe you..  

 

http://www2.cpdl.org/wiki/images/7/72/Cranbrook.pdf