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Partial Preterism Mat 24:3-35


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3And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? (Literally to Christians only in 70 AD) and what shall be the sign of thy coming (Literally to Christians only at the end of time), and of the end of the world? Literally to everyone Christians only

4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. Literally to Christians only in 70 AD

5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. Literally to everyone only in 70 AD

6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. Literally in 70 AD

7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. Literally in 70 AD

8 All these are the beginning of sorrows. Literally in 70 AD

9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake. Figuratively to Christians in 70 AD more has been killed after 70 AD 

10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. Literally to Christians in 70 AD

11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. Literally for everyone in 70 AD

12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. Literally for everyone in 70 AD

13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. Literally to Christians in 70 AD, a jew can not be saved by enduring to the end

14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. Literally to Christians at the end of time

15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) Literally to Christians in 70 AD

16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: Literally to Christians in 70 AD

17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: Literally to Christians in 70 AD

18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. Literally to Christians in 70 AD

19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! Literally to Jews only in 70 AD

20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: Literally to Jews only in 70 AD

21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. Figuratively to Jews only in 70 AD

22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. Figuratively to Jews for Christians sake in 70 AD

23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. Literally to Christians in 70 AD

24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Literally to Christians in 70 AD

25 Behold, I have told you before. Literally to Christians in 70 AD

26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. Literally to Christians in 70 AD

27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. Figuratively to everyone in 70 AD

28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together. Literally to Jews only in 70 AD

29Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: Figuratively to Christians at end of time

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. Literally to everyone at end of time

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. Literally to Christians at end of time

32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: Figuratively to Christians at end of time

33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors. Literally end of time

34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. Literally 70 AD

35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. Literally end of time

 

This can be personalized by any partial preterist interpreter. The more the interpreter moves to literally fulfilled in 70 AD the more he moves to full preterism. Partial preterists see full preterists and dispensationalists as heretics. Dispensationalists see all of it as end of time, also they see partial and full preterists as heretics.  

 

Comments and corrections welcomed. 

 

(v3 updated)

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    As a 'partial' preterist, I find no one here a heretic when they disagree with me.

This is another one of those posts that tend to cause a ruckus rather than a 'shared'

discussion/argument.

    Although there has been others here that do term myself, and others, that do not

agree with the opposite 'teaching', heretics.

    And that just goes to show that the 'love of the brethren' doesn't stretch very far.

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The opening verses are key. Jesus prophesied the destruction of the temple. The disciples asked their questions privately, not knowing the answers. They did, of course, know the public denunciation of the Scribes and Pharisees - "this generation."

They wanted an indication of the time, just as, after the resurrection, they wanted to know when Jesus would restore the kingdom. They OBviously expected Jesus to destroy his enemies, again as he had prophesied. (Vineyard parable.)

Jesus gives many "signs" which are not signs of the end. He also gives very specific signs that were clear enough to warn the Jerusalem Christians when to flee the city. The destruction would occur within the lifetime of "this generation" - within 40 years, as Hebrews 3 confirms.

There are other extraordinary signs given, which most commentators consider to relate to the second coming. I can't give you convincing arguments, but I believe reference to OT judgments, etc does show signs of a first C coming to destroy the husbandmen and give the vineyard to others.

V. 35 on relates to the second coming, with warnings to Christians down the ages to live in readiness for our Lord's return, without further warning. Watch and pray!

None of this gives any justification for persecution of Jews or any other ethnic or religious group.

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The essential difference is that we believe in a yet future second coming of the Lord Jesus Christ, in glory, to raise the dead and establish the NH&NE,the home of righteousness.

That gives a profound difference in prophecy interpretation.

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3And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? (Literally to Christians only in 70 AD) and what shall be the sign of thy coming (Literally to Christians only at the end of time), and of the end of the world? Literally to everyone Christians only

4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. Literally to Christians only in 70 AD

5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. Literally to everyone only in 70 AD

6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. Literally in 70 AD

7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. Literally in 70 AD

8 All these are the beginning of sorrows. Literally in 70 AD

9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake. Figuratively to Christians in 70 AD more has been killed after 70 AD 

10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. Literally to Christians in 70 AD

11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. Literally for everyone in 70 AD

12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. Literally for everyone in 70 AD

13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. Literally to Christians in 70 AD, a jew can not be saved by enduring to the end

14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. Literally to Christians at the end of time

15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) Literally to Christians in 70 AD

16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: Literally to Christians in 70 AD

17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: Literally to Christians in 70 AD

18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. Literally to Christians in 70 AD

19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! Literally to Jews only in 70 AD

20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: Literally to Jews only in 70 AD

21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. Figuratively to Jews only in 70 AD

22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. Figuratively to Jews for Christians sake in 70 AD

23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. Literally to Christians in 70 AD

24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Literally to Christians in 70 AD

25 Behold, I have told you before. Literally to Christians in 70 AD

26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. Literally to Christians in 70 AD

27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. Figuratively to everyone in 70 AD

28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together. Literally to Jews only in 70 AD

29Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: Figuratively to Christians at end of time

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. Literally to everyone at end of time

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. Literally to Christians at end of time

32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: Figuratively to Christians at end of time

33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors. Literally end of time

34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. Literally 70 AD

35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. Literally end of time

 

This can be personalized by any partial preterist interpreter. The more the interpreter moves to literally fulfilled in 70 AD the more he moves to full preterism. Partial preterists see full preterists and dispensationalists as heretics. Dispensationalists see all of it as end of time, also they see partial and full preterists as heretics.  

 

Comments and corrections welcomed. 

 

(v3 updated)

You are very uninformed

 

Most of those verses do mot apply tp AD 70 but tho the time up to AD 70  They also all apply to Jews.  Believing Jews and unbelieving Jews.  In Matthew 24 Jesus was speaking to believing Jews.  

 

Verses 15-16 refers to christian Jews who escaped the city in AD 66 As a result of listening to the Lord.Remember at that time most if not all the Christians in Jerusalem were Jews.

 

There were many false prophets and false Christs up to the fall of Jerusalem.  Paul was accused of being one. Ac 21:38  Art not thou that Egyptian, which before these days madest an uproar, and leddest out into the wilderness four thousand men that were murderers?  This Egyptian was mentioned by Josephus as being a false Christ.  The reason the Jews persisted in their rebellion so long was that there were many prophets in the city who said that God would intervene at the last minute.

 

You should get out of the habit of assuming that when the end is mentioned it means the end of time.  It usually means the end of the period in which it is mentioned,  In this case the end of the Jewish state, AD 70

 

Remember there were two questions asked,v3  There were two distinct answers given separated by an small but important word.  BUT. verse 36.  "BUT of that day"  The beginning of the answer to the second question.  If you don't recognize that, you will never get it right.

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3And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? (Literally to Christians only in 70 AD) and what shall be the sign of thy coming (Literally to Christians only at the end of time), and of the end of the world? Literally to everyone Christians only at the end of time New Earth/New Heaven

4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. Literally to Jewish-Christians only from 30-70 AD

5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. Literally to everyone Jewish-Christians only from 30-70 AD

6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. Literally in 30-70 AD (Personal Note: events leading up to the destruction of the temple end or events leading up to the end of time? which end?)

7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. Literally in 30-70 AD

8 All these are the beginning of sorrows. Literally in 30-69 AD

9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake. Figuratively to Jewish-Christians from 30-70 AD more has been killed after 70 AD (Personal Note: Wasn't Gentile Christians killed before 70 AD?)

10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. Literally to Jewish-Christians in 30-70 AD

11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. Literally for everyone Jewish-Christians from 30-70 AD

12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. Literally for everyone Jewish-Christians from 30-70 AD

13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. Literally to Jewish-Christians in 70 AD, a jew can not be saved by enduring to the end (Personal Note: again the end of the temple or the end of time?)

14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. Literally to Christians at the end of time (Personal Note: gospel wasn't preached everywhere by 70 AD)

15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) Literally to Jewish-Christians after 70 AD defeat (Personal Note: How does 30-70 AD or 40 years work with time, times, and half time? Was Daniel's time frame figurative to fit the 70 AD model?)

16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: Literally to Jewish-Christians in after 70 AD (Personal Note: Then let him, means after seeing abomination of desolation?)

17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: Literally to Christians after 70 AD (Personal Note: War killings? no rapture?)

18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. Literally to Jewish-Christians in after 70 AD

19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! Literally to Jewish-Christians only after 70 AD

20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: Literally to Jewish-Christians only after 70 AD (Personal Note: Christians gave up the sabbath for the Lords' day on what date?)

21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. Figuratively to Jewish-Christians after 70 AD

22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. Figuratively to Jews for Jewish-Christians sake after 70 AD

23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. Literally to Jewish-Christians after 70 AD

24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Literally to Jewish-Christians after 70 AD (Personal Note: what was the great signs and wonders?)

25 Behold, I have told you before. Literally to Christians in 70 30 AD

26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. Literally to Christians after 70 AD

27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. Figuratively to everyone after 70 AD

28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together. Literally to Jewish-Christians after 70 AD

29Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: Figuratively to Christians at end of time 2014+????, those days also figuratively, no real signs all of this figurative

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. Literally to everyone at end of time 2014+????

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. Literally to Christians at end of time 2014+????

32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: Figuratively to Christians at end of time 2014+????

33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors. Figuratively (all of the signs are figurative after 70 AD) at the end of time 2014+????

34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. Literally 30-70 AD 

35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. Literally end of time 2014+????

 

This can be personalized by any partial preterist interpreter. The more the interpreter moves to literally fulfilled in 70 AD the more he moves to full preterism. Partial preterists see full preterists and dispensationalists as heretics. Dispensationalists see all of it as end of time, also they see partial and full preterists as heretics.  

 

Comments and corrections welcomed. 

 

(v3 updated)

 

Many changes made due to my ignorance. Thank you for your comments and corrections. Please keep them coming. 

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As you are asking, I will give my outline of understanding Mat. 24 (& Mark 13 & Luke 21) beginning with Mat. 23

 

32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.

33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:

35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.

36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.

 

Jesus denounces the Scribes & Pharisees publicly. God's patience with rebellious Israel has an end with his hearers - this generation - who show the culmination of wickedness in the rejection of their Messiah - and those he will send with messages of salvation. 

 

37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

 

Jesus is abandoning his Father's house - now it's your house.

 

39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

 

Yet he gives hope - they must recognise him as Messiah as did those adults & children who welcomed him into Jerusalem. Mat. 21:9

 

24:1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.

And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

 

The temple they are looking at & admiring will be utterly destroyed.

 

And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

 

Note also the same questions in the other Gospels:

Mark 13:Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign when all these things shall be fulfilled?

 

Luke 21:And they asked him, saying, Master, but when shall these things be? and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass?

 

They want to know when the destruction will take place, & any warning signs before it happens. They associate the prophecy he has just made with the "coming" he speaks of in the husbandmen parable: Mat. 21:40 Mark 12:9 Luke 20:16  That parable had its fulfilment in AD 70. It is a specific "coming" distinct from the second & final coming at the end of time for resurrection & judgement. The disciples had not understood the saving work Jesus was doing, though he had repeatedly told them. They did not have a clear understanding of the coming Gospel age, nor the mystery of the Jew-Gentile church. They still had a lot to learn before they could pass on with understanding & authority what Jesus, & later the Holy Spirit, would teach them. Would the destruction of the temple be the end of the world? 

 

They, & we, need to listen to Jesus' prophecy which includes the answers & may correct the questions. A question still in their minds after his resurrection - Acts 1:6  - shows that they expect the risen Lord to immediately proclaim himself King of Israel, & of course, themselves as rulers over the rebel leaders. Clearly they did not have our understanding - yours or mine - about eschatology.

 

And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.

For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.

 

Note - these wars are NOT signs of the end. Likewise, as we read to v. 13 we see wars & "natural" disasters that are the beginning of sorrows, not signs of the end. As far as the interpretation of prophecy goes, wars & natural disasters will occur without prophetic significance, whether the "end" in question is the destruction or the final coming at the end of time. I think it is clear that the "end" here prophesied is the destruction. 

 

For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.

All these are the beginning of sorrows.

Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.

11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.

13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

 

They will be persecuted by those Jesus had warned that they would persecute. Mat. 23:34 How extensive is "all the world" ? If it's the same "all the world" as Caesar decreed should be taxed, it means the Roman Empire. Acts tells us how the Gospel spread through the Roman Empire & beyond. The persecution confirms Jesus' reasons for the prophesied end - they reject their Messiah and those who preach forgiveness in his saving name. 

 

Now we come to very specific signs of the end - the destruction by invading armies.

 

15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

 

See Luke 21:20 When the siege begins, that will be the sign to flee.

 

16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:

18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.

19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

25 Behold, I have told you before.

26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

 

That is a clear warning for the Christians to flee Jerusalem before the destruction. Luke makes the sign clearer - compare Mat. 24:15-16 with Luke 21:20-24 Note also how he warns the women who bewailed him. Luke 23:27-31 

 

27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

 

Just as we cannot argue about a flash of lightning, so there will be no doubt that Jesus has come to destroy the "husbandmen" - Jewish leaders - as he warned. See 2 Peter 3 for they were still mocking. 

 

28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

 

Roman legions, led by eagle standards, will surround & destroy the city, like vultures around a corpse. It's a dreadful description of a people & city God had claimed as his own. John 1:10-17 

 

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

 

What, or who, are the stars? Where is heaven, for the stars to fall. The world has its pop-stars & movie-stars. God gave Abraham a vision, Gen. 15:1-6 and Joseph had a dream. Gen. 37:9 Now the promised Son of Abraham has come; the descendants of the patriarchs have multiplied as promised. The true, Creator Light of the world was rejected, & the stars who would not acknowledge the Sun-Son would fall from heaven, the promised land. Don't think "meteorites." 

 

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

 

The Son of man is in heaven, & the signs he is warning about will be clear. His prophecy of destruction will be realised before the eyes of those who rejected him. The tribes will indeed mourn. Just as "world" is understood by the context, so "earth." It can be soil, or the land of Israel, or the planet. Here all the tribes of the earth indicates the scope - the tribes remaining, who haven't fled at the warning signs.

 

The LORD led the tribes of Israel by a cloud, indicating his presence; he owned the tabernacle, later the temple by overshadowing it with a cloud. Exo. 40:34-38 Now his presence overshadows the temple for its final destruction.   

 

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

 

The saving covenant is no longer evidenced by the blood of the atonement sacrifices of animals, but by the shed blood of the Messiah. The promise of a dwelling place for the redeemed people of Israel is no longer the promised earthly land, but the heavenly land expected by Abraham. Heb. 11:13-16 Gathered from the promised land to the promised heaven. But, the situation of those delivered is not an earthly heaven, but a spiritual one - peace with God through Jesus, with the promise of heavenly glory in his presence at death, & ultimately the NH&NE. 

 

Note that Revelation 7:1-17 uses the same imagery. 

 

32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

 

Luke 21: 29-30 adds to the parable. The green shoots of the fig tree does not denote a renewed earthly Israel, but simply that we recognise that summer is coming by the green shoots. Jesus explains the parable so they can't mistake the significance of the events he has been prophesying.

 

And before this generation that rejected its Messiah, and the Apostolic Gospel has passed, the prophesied destruction will have occurred. Hebrews 3 says 40 years. 

 

35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

 

The prophecy moves on to the final coming of the Lord for resurrection & judgement - at some completely unrevealed time when Heaven and earth shall pass away. A NH&NE will come into existence. The remaining warnings apply not only to those to whom Jesus was speaking, but down the ages, beginning in Gethsemane. Mat. 26:41

 

37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

45 Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?

46 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.

47 Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.

48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;

49 And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;

50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,

51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

 

There will be a great separation at the end of time, when Jesus returns in unmistakable glory, to take his own to resurrection glory, & condemn to hell those who have rejected Jesus & his Gospel of salvation. 

 

 

 

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I am not going to go into a long dissertation here.  

My view is that since many of the items in Matthew 24 have not yet been literally fulfilled, the entire series of events listed are interconnected, and yet future.  It seems odd to me that anyone would take a chapter such as Matthew 24, which is clearly given by our Lord Jesus Christ as ONE TEACHING on these events, and then "slice and dice" the chapter to make it apply to 2 or more separate, distinct events.  It is clearly ONE EVENT (or series of events which culminate in one event - the return of Jesus Christ to this planet to establish a combined kingdom over the physical and spiritual aspects of humanity) that is being prophesied here.

 

While it may appear that PARTS of the Mt. 24 prophecy has been fulfilled, many parts have NOT.  Thus it is my conclusion that while these parts that have had a fulfillment have only been fulfilled IN TYPE as a picture of the entire series events that yet await fulfillment.  Thus, the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD was a PICTURE of what is yet to come, and should serve as a warning sign to all humanity - saved or lost - of what is to come.  In other words, it is as if the Lord is saying to us today, "Do you remember the Jerusalem destruction of 70 AD, and how it fulfilled some parts of Mt. 24?  Well, it will be only so much worse than that event before I physically return to Earth to establish my Kingdoms!"  

 

In Christ,

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I am not going to go into a long dissertation here.  

My view is that since many of the items in Matthew 24 have not yet been literally fulfilled, the entire series of events listed are interconnected, and yet future.  It seems odd to me that anyone would take a chapter such as Matthew 24, which is clearly given by our Lord Jesus Christ as ONE TEACHING on these events, and then "slice and dice" the chapter to make it apply to 2 or more separate, distinct events.  It is clearly ONE EVENT (or series of events which culminate in one event - the return of Jesus Christ to this planet to establish a combined kingdom over the physical and spiritual aspects of humanity) that is being prophesied here.

 

While it may appear that PARTS of the Mt. 24 prophecy has been fulfilled, many parts have NOT.  Thus it is my conclusion that while these parts that have had a fulfillment have only been fulfilled IN TYPE as a picture of the entire series events that yet await fulfillment.  Thus, the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD was a PICTURE of what is yet to come, and should serve as a warning sign to all humanity - saved or lost - of what is to come.  In other words, it is as if the Lord is saying to us today, "Do you remember the Jerusalem destruction of 70 AD, and how it fulfilled some parts of Mt. 24?  Well, it will be only so much worse than that event before I physically return to Earth to establish my Kingdoms!"  

 

In Christ,

 

Reading a bit more into the 'picture' here, than what you should, aren't you?

Is there a scriptural statement by anyone in the Bible about what Jesus was 'trying' to say?

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I am not going to go into a long dissertation here.  

My view is that since many of the items in Matthew 24 have not yet been literally fulfilled, the entire series of events listed are interconnected, and yet future.  It seems odd to me that anyone would take a chapter such as Matthew 24, which is clearly given by our Lord Jesus Christ as ONE TEACHING on these events, and then "slice and dice" the chapter to make it apply to 2 or more separate, distinct events.  It is clearly ONE EVENT (or series of events which culminate in one event - the return of Jesus Christ to this planet to establish a combined kingdom over the physical and spiritual aspects of humanity) that is being prophesied here.

 

While it may appear that PARTS of the Mt. 24 prophecy has been fulfilled, many parts have NOT.  Thus it is my conclusion that while these parts that have had a fulfillment have only been fulfilled IN TYPE as a picture of the entire series events that yet await fulfillment.  Thus, the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD was a PICTURE of what is yet to come, and should serve as a warning sign to all humanity - saved or lost - of what is to come.  In other words, it is as if the Lord is saying to us today, "Do you remember the Jerusalem destruction of 70 AD, and how it fulfilled some parts of Mt. 24?  Well, it will be only so much worse than that event before I physically return to Earth to establish my Kingdoms!"  

 

In Christ,

Yes; I thought Mountain Christian's OP rather an odd line of interpretation, but thought it best to post my own considerations before commenting on his. Though I am not sure whether he is posting his own interpretation or a hypothetical Partial Preterist. 

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Yes; I thought Mountain Christian's OP rather an odd line of interpretation, but thought it best to post my own considerations before commenting on his. Though I am not sure whether he is posting his own interpretation or a hypothetical Partial Preterist. 

Good question, but I think he was being facetious.

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Reading a bit more into the 'picture' here, than what you should, aren't you?

Is there a scriptural statement by anyone in the Bible about what Jesus was 'trying' to say?

It is amazing how you latch on to the wrong parts of my posts.  

Have you ever taught the Scripture, and taken a complicated passage, and restated it so that folks could grasp the meaning of it?  

That is all I was attempting to do, so I don't know why you would be snarky about it.

 

Was all of Mt. 24 fulfilled?

No.

Therefore, either Jesus was lying or it is all future.  It is ONE TEACHING.  It was meant to be taken as one teaching concerning one series of events culminating in the physical return of Jesus Christ.  The text is clear on that point.

 

Jesus Christ did not return to the earth in 70 AD.  

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It is amazing how you latch on to the wrong parts of my posts.  
Was all of Mt. 24 fulfilled?
No.
Therefore, either Jesus was lying or it is all future.  It is ONE TEACHING.  It was meant to be taken as one teaching concerning one series of events culminating in the physical return of Jesus Christ.  The text is clear on that point.
 
Jesus Christ did not return to the earth in 70 AD.

You are correct. Jesus did not return in AD 70. But, sometime after that, a false prophet began telling people christ came back in AD 70. Sadly, many fell for it and are following a false christ
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