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I'm not a fussy eater but put it this way: if I was running a restaurant I wouldn't advertise a pound of wheat from an animal feed depot fried in butter as a 'time of plenty breakfast'.

I  hope others don't want my grain. I live in a small town with a very large grain storage business.

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Although I will not store food for a possible EMP event, I can see the reasoning behind it. If the grid goes down prior to the Great Tribulation which is a possibility then all will be affected whether lost or saved and if you are unprepared then you will have to fight to feed your family.

 

The Lord will provide through your action and not by a miracle folks. 

If one has true faith, it is Spiritual and deals with eternity and you won't worry or care about stock piling food or shooting your neighbors. But not to worry, the end is not yet.

 

There is an extreme site I stumbled on a few years ago that was huge and spoke of almost nothing but this EMP subject. It was a professing Christian site but i don't recall the name. Anyway, the guy who owned the site was adamant about stockpiling food, guns, ammo with the premediated intention of shooting anyone coming near his perimeter and I recall a large following of professing Christians on there.

 

I don't know about you but I don't want to go home to the Lord with murders as my last acts on earth. I would prefer selfless giving of the Gospel and my food, uh thank you very much.

 

The NT does teach to provide for your own but not in any way, shape or form are we to sin in order to do it. That is in direct contradiction to everything the Lord taught. As a matter of fact, we are to abandon our families for the Gospel if they will not follow the Lord also. Now if they follow, yes provide but if they don't, we are to love the Lord far more then spouses, kids, parents, etc.

Have you heard about the 4 blood moons on Jewish feast days? The last 2 times this happened there was war in Israel. If we support Israel the terrorist in America are likely to attack the power grid.

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Have you heard about the 4 blood moons on Jewish feast days? The last 2 times this happened there was war in Israel. If we support Israel the terrorist in America are likely to attack the power grid.

 

A lot of worrying without facts here. Any sources for this type of statement or is this a 'conspiracy' theory.

'Conspiracy' theories, [and I mean the one's based on facts that no human will reveal out of fear of some great force], are mostly

hyped up 'desires' for the END to be sped up, and the rapture to 'have to' happen.

I spent years, including the hype of Y2K, listening to the false reports of the 'elite of the christians', trying to get christianity excited

about the END days. It makes me sick just thinking about all the false, downright lying tongues of a bunch of so-called preachers,

most of which weren't even real Baptists.

Yuck.

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A lot of worrying without facts here. Any sources for this type of statement or is this a 'conspiracy' theory.

'Conspiracy' theories, [and I mean the one's based on facts that no human will reveal out of fear of some great force], are mostly

hyped up 'desires' for the END to be sped up, and the rapture to 'have to' happen.

I spent years, including the hype of Y2K, listening to the false reports of the 'elite of the christians', trying to get christianity excited

about the END days. It makes me sick just thinking about all the false, downright lying tongues of a bunch of so-called preachers,

most of which weren't even real Baptists.

Yuck.

They already attacked a power station in Ca. with a rifle and blacked it out. That was practice.

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Perhaps some may benefit from reading the book by John R. Rice, "Prayer: Asking and Receiving"; the full 283 page book, not their abridged version.

 

After all Paul went through, and knowing more was to come, he yet confidently stated: "But my God shall supply all your need according to his riches in glory by Christ Jesus." (Philippians 4:19)

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We've been down to next to nothing with groceries more than once. And God always provided. Interestingly enough, He didn't send ravens (although He most certainly could do that). Nor did He rain manna from Heaven (although He could do that as well). No. He used PEOPLE. People who had enough money or enough groceries in their cupboard. He placed a burden on their hearts to help - not even knowing that we needed it.  

 

All of the verses about God's provisions are absolute truth.  But He uses people most of the time.  For all any of you know, He may be laying on the hearts of some people to stock up so that you and your family will be provided for in the case of a national disaster or emergency.  No, the Bible doesn't necessarily say that will happen, but anyone who can't see something is coming has their head in the ground.

 

Be prayed up, for certain sure. And know that, when you are without, God's provision will come. Via human hands most of the time. When that happens, you'll be thankful for those who've stocked up.  :biggrin:

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Luke 12:29 And seek not ye what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink, neither be ye of doubtful mind. 30 For all these things do the nations of the world seek after: and your Father knoweth that ye have need of these things. 31 But rather seek ye the kingdom of God; and all these things shall be added unto you.
 
There is even a TV show where people hoard food for coming disasters. 
On the other hand it doesn't mean I can lay down and do nothing.
 
Proverbs 6:6 Go to the ant, thou sluggard; consider her ways, and be wise: Which having no guide, overseer, or ruler, Provideth her meat in the summer, and gathereth her food in the harvest. How long wilt thou sleep, O sluggard? when wilt thou arise out of thy sleep? 10 Yet a little sleep, a little slumber, a little folding of the hands to sleep: 11 So shall thy poverty come as one that travelleth, and thy want as an armed man.

 

It seems like this thread is an extreme on one side or the other. 

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We've been down to next to nothing with groceries more than once. And God always provided. Interestingly enough, He didn't send ravens (although He most certainly could do that). Nor did He rain manna from Heaven (although He could do that as well). No. He used PEOPLE. People who had enough money or enough groceries in their cupboard. He placed a burden on their hearts to help - not even knowing that we needed it.  

 

All of the verses about God's provisions are absolute truth.  But He uses people most of the time.  For all any of you know, He may be laying on the hearts of some people to stock up so that you and your family will be provided for in the case of a national disaster or emergency.  No, the Bible doesn't necessarily say that will happen, but anyone who can't see something is coming has their head in the ground.

 

Be prayed up, for certain sure. And know that, when you are without, God's provision will come. Via human hands most of the time. When that happens, you'll be thankful for those who've stocked up.  :biggrin:

 

I don't have my head in the ground.

Yet I find it interesting that you say the above - "No, the Bible doesn't necessarily say that will happen...".

This thread is about "Famine Coming Soon", with Eric proclaiming a 'biblical' teaching.

And it doesn't exist. In the Bible, that is.

So I see a bit of 'confusion' here about what the thread is producing.

A statement that a famine is coming, and him stating that the Bible says the famines will get worse.

But it isn't in the Bible.

That is where we should be 'getting our heads out of the ground' about.

False statements about supposed 'facts' about the END.

This thread is at a loss in my thinking. No source about what is being said, equals 'anything can happen at anytime', thus

producing a waste of time worrying about nothing.

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If some one would like to have food insurance but does not have much money, bulk wheat sells for about $10.00 per 50lb bag in my area at animal feed mills. One pound of grain is about 1500 calories and will keep a person alive for a day. Boiled wheat tastes like boiled pasta. I like to fry it in butter and add maple syrup sweetener. I have stored my wheat in 55 gallon drums inside two 55 gallon garbage bags. Add two or three pounds of dry ice to kill any bugs. Let the dry ice melt then tie the bags. put the top on the drum to keep out mice and kids. I bought the drums for $15.00. 1 drum will hold 250 pounds of wheat. My wheat should last for 100 years if the drums are stored in the dry.

 

I know I appear foolish to you who don't understand what is coming.

 

If a watchman sees the sword coming on the land and does not warn the people, the blood of the people will be on him, but if he warns the people and they don't listen to the warning the blood will be on the people's head.

 

If you had a source for your fear, that would help me understand.

But you have none, from the scriptures. A famine is coming?

They are all over, in different places, at different times. Nothing new.

 

Just a little statement here:

1 Timothy 4 says -

 

 

Sounds like there will be food.

Edited by Genevanpreacher

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Sigh...the Bible doesn't come out and say America is gonna have a famine. But it does teach consequence of action. Reaping what is sown. All we have to do is look around at countries which have turned God away and we can see what happens.

In Deuteronomy, God warns Israel that He'll withhold rain if they disOBey Him. And what happens when there is no rain? No food grows. And when there is no food? Famine...Don't think for a minute God won't withhold rain from America. A country founded on Biblical principles that has corporately turned her back on God.

Add to that the playing around that our government does with the farmers and their crops.

I guess God didnt tell Paul about Ethiopia and other countries where people are starving because of famine.

Again, if you don't want to store extra food, don't. But don't try to sound more spiritual than those who do. Now, because GP took my head in the sand comment to be directed at him, please know I didn't direct my last statement (or even the head in the sand one) at anyone specific.

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I don't have my head in the ground.

Yet I find it interesting that you say the above - "No, the Bible doesn't necessarily say that will happen...".

This thread is about "Famine Coming Soon", with Eric proclaiming a 'biblical' teaching.

And it doesn't exist. In the Bible, that is.

So I see a bit of 'confusion' here about what the thread is producing.

A statement that a famine is coming, and him stating that the Bible says the famines will get worse.

But it isn't in the Bible.

That is where we should be 'getting our heads out of the ground' about.

False statements about supposed 'facts' about the END.

This thread is at a loss in my thinking. No source about what is being said, equals 'anything can happen at anytime', thus

producing a waste of time worrying about nothing.

Matthew 24:7-8

7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.

 

8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.

 

Luke 21:10

10 Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:

11 And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.

 

The sorrows are like birth pains, as we near the day of the Lord the signs will become harder and harder and more frequent.

 

Yes we have had famines and the other signs through the ages, but near the end the signs will become harder and harder and more frequent.

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Matthew 24:7-8

7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.

 

8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.

 

Luke 21:10

10 Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:

11 And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.

 

The sorrows are like birth pains, as we near the day of the Lord the signs will become harder and harder and more frequent.

 

Yes we have had famines and the other signs through the ages, but near the end the signs will become harder and harder and more frequent.

None of this is occurring in a more frequent or harder manner today than in the past so wouldn't that be a sign the end is yet some ways off?

 

It also says these things shall be in divers places which means not everyone will be effected by each or perhaps by any of them.

 

Other than Christ's return being closer now than when we were saved, there is nothing to indicate from those verses that His coming is going to be in our lifetime.

 

Even so, when I found diet root beer on sale I stocked up on some so now my water supply will last longer if a famine hits us this winter.

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Sigh...

Again, if you don't want to store extra food, don't. But don't try to sound more spiritual than those who do. Now, because GP took my head in the sand comment to be directed at him, please know I didn't direct my last statement (or even the head in the sand one) at anyone specific.

 

I didn't take it as personal as that, but it was condescending to those here who do look at this as a 'teaching of men'.

 

Just because I do not believe the subject in this thread is a biblical subject, makes me, (as well as others), seem to 

have our "heads in the sand"?

 

I think that is what you implied.

 

So, as I glean from your post, if someone declares, scripturally, that someone who OBviously believes the Bible teaches we should

store food for a coming famine, one that will be worse than ever before, as birthing pains that get worse the closer to delivery, we 

think we are "more spiritual"?

 

Oh joy. 

 

The "more spiritual" person is the one who teaches what scripture actually says.

So, yeah, I guess, from that point of view, some of us are "more spiritual", and it is not the one's making up the famine story.

 

If someone wants to store food. I have no prOBlem with that, it makes sense to take care of your family, no matter the situation.

But, if you teach that the scriptures warn us to store food for a famine?

 

People will believe just about anything, if a Christian says it's in the Bible.

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None of this is occurring in a more frequent or harder manner today than in the past so wouldn't that be a sign the end is yet some ways off?

 

It also says these things shall be in divers places which means not everyone will be effected by each or perhaps by any of them.

 

Other than Christ's return being closer now than when we were saved, there is nothing to indicate from those verses that His coming is going to be in our lifetime.

 

Even so, when I found diet root beer on sale I stocked up on some so now my water supply will last longer if a famine hits us this winter.

 

John and all,

 

Some scientist believe we are entering a very, very, cold change in climate. John Casey wrote a book called "Cold Sun" which explains why they believe it. If you go on you tube you can hear him explain what is coming. The Russian scientists are predicting a new Little Ice Age. That explains why they want the Crimean warm water port. A change in the sun's energy out put effects the earth by cooling climate and more and harder earthquakes accompanied by more volcanoes. John Casey believes we face large crop losses over the next thirty years. We are seeing large dips in the jet stream and dry areas already.

 

Since what they are predicting will cause all the things Jesus said would come as the day of the Lord approaches, it is worth checking out.

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John and all,

 

Some scientist believe we are entering a very, very, cold change in climate. John Casey wrote a book called "Cold Sun" which explains why they believe it. If you go on you tube you can hear him explain what is coming. The Russian scientists are predicting a new Little Ice Age. That explains why they want the Crimean warm water port. A change in the sun's energy out put effects the earth by cooling climate and more and harder earthquakes accompanied by more volcanoes. John Casey believes we face large crop losses over the next thirty years. We are seeing large dips in the jet stream and dry areas already.

 

Since what they are predicting will cause all the things Jesus said would come as the day of the Lord approaches, it is worth checking out.

While Scripture is true, the theories of scientists often are not.

 

When I was a child the scientists were predicting a coming ice age. The school textbooks were filled with warnings of the coming ice age and what that would mean. Then virtually overnight they went from telling us an ice age was coming to declaring the horrible threat of glOBal warming! That new theory of doom prevailed for many years until, like the previous coming ice sheets theory, it was so OBvious there was nothing to worry about they had to come up with something new. Now they warn about "climate change", which any type of weather can conveniently fit into that category, and declare this climate change is because of man.

 

Basically, for the past decade glOBal temperatures have remained steady. The president just declared glOBal temperatures rose in 2014 but his comment was based upon some data which says the temperature was some tenths of a degree warmer. Not only did he fail to cite the exceedingly tiny possible "warming" but he failed to point out that this tiny difference falls well within the margin of error and is therefore totally meaningless.

 

Most scientists, like the rest of the population, are lost sinners and being such they are less than truthful, subject to greed, enjoy fame and recognition, etc. In order to get hefty grants to fund their research and pet projects it's a common practice for many scientists to promote any theory that happens to be PC at the time in order to gain grants from the government and universities.

 

While there are some who claim the sun is going to grow colder, there are others claiming the sun is going to grow hotter. Some still hold to the glOBal warming aspect of "climate change" while some others are saying the climate change will bring about a new ice age. Also of note is how they no longer predict a very slow coming ice age as they once did, but now warn of an almost instant ice age along the lines of the Dennis Quaid movie, "Day After Tomorrow".

 

So, scientists are hardly unified upon their views and the theories they support tend to shift with the shifting of funding.

 

Russia has controlled the warm water port in Crimea since the time of Catherine the Great. Russia has always needed warm water ports. During the American "civil war" Russia and the USA cozied up in the face of possible war with England. This enabled Russia to keep her fleet at sea, using American ports, during the winter months.

 

If you research what Russia has been doing you will find they are of the belief temperatures will warm somewhat, not get colder. This is why they have been so busy exploring and staking claims in the northern regions.

 

Besides all these things, we know from Scripture the world will continue as in the days of Noah with things going on as normal. There is no direct warning of His impending return. Scripture says if we are about the Father's business when He returns we will be doing well.

 

Much better to simply go by what Scripture actually says rather than try to predict the future which Scripture says we can't do.

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I didn't take it as personal as that, but it was condescending to those here who do look at this as a 'teaching of men'.

 

Just because I do not believe the subject in this thread is a biblical subject, makes me, (as well as others), seem to 

have our "heads in the sand"?

 

I think that is what you implied.

 

So, as I glean from your post, if someone declares, scripturally, that someone who OBviously believes the Bible teaches we should

store food for a coming famine, one that will be worse than ever before, as birthing pains that get worse the closer to delivery, we 

think we are "more spiritual"?

 

Oh joy. 

 

The "more spiritual" person is the one who teaches what scripture actually says.

So, yeah, I guess, from that point of view, some of us are "more spiritual", and it is not the one's making up the famine story.

 

If someone wants to store food. I have no prOBlem with that, it makes sense to take care of your family, no matter the situation.

But, if you teach that the scriptures warn us to store food for a famine?

 

People will believe just about anything, if a Christian says it's in the Bible.

I think you need to take a step back. This post is very condescending -- yep. I can say that, too.

 

I never once said anything about this: "Just because I do not believe the subject in this thread is a biblical subject, makes me, (as well as others), seem to 

have our "heads in the sand"?"  

being the case.  I said if someone can't see that real trouble is coming they have their heads in the sand. And if that's you, so be it, since you are trying to argue that's what I intended.

 

No, the pious attitude I was referencing was the idea that there is no need to have extra food because God will provide everything.  If you read carefully what I've said, you'll see that's been it all along. But, no - you choose to take offense and claim I'm condescending.  That's your prOBlem, not mine.

 

I will say it again: there is no sin in storing food. God lauded the ant, using it as an example of industry worthy of note.  Hoarding is wrong, as the NT plainly makes clear. But if one is storing food because they see that trouble is coming and they want to be able to help others, there is not one thing wrong with it.  THAT HAS BEEN MY POINT ALL ALONG.  

 

You don't believe the Bible teaches famines will get worse. Fine.  That's your choice. I do believe famines and other prOBlems will get worse and I believe we can see it happening.  Yes, we have 24/7 news and so we are more aware of what goes on in the world, but things are not - even here in America - as "good" as they were 50/60 years ago.  Yep, there were riots back in the 60s and 70s. But what's happening now in this country is much worse.  People killing just to kill. It is happening with more frequency, no matter if anyone wants to admit it or not.  THAT IS THE NATURE OF SIN.

 

As far as being more spiritual? Nah - someone can be right about something in scripture and yet be unspiritual. The devil quoted scripture to Jesus, remember.   Someone can be wrong about something in scripture - you know, like partial preterism, which most of us here agree is a 'teaching of men' - and yet be spiritual. Because we are human.

 

Now, understand this GP.  My comments were only and completely in reference to those implying that storing food was a lack of faith. Stop taking offense (and, yes, you did take offense or you wouldn't have gone off like you did) and reading into my posts what isn't there. 

 

Yes, some people will believe anything a Christian says is in the Bible...

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1 Thessalonians 5:1-4

The world will be surprised by the day of the Lord but we are God's children of light we should be watching and know it is near.

 

I do know the day of the Lord is near, it is near, and hasteth greatly because Israel has gathered.See Zephaniah 1:14-2:3

 

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1 Thessalonians 5:1-4

The world will be surprised by the day of the Lord but we are God's children of light we should be watching and know it is near.

 

I do know the day of the Lord is near, it is near, and hasteth greatly because Israel has gathered.See Zephaniah 1:14-2:3

 

Yes. I agree, but your verse is in the subject of God's destruction of Jerusalem.

Not the world when Jesus Christ returns. (A good reading of that chapter reveals that easily.)

Edited by Genevanpreacher

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Yes. I agree, but your verse is in the subject of God's destruction of Jerusalem.

Not the world when Jesus Christ returns. (A good reading of that chapter reveals that easily.)

Jesus told the disciples that the coming war on Jerusalem was not the end. Matthew 24:6

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