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      Psalms 119:1-8                                         Sep. 5 - Oct. 2, 2019
      1 ALEPH. Blessed are the undefiled in the way, who walk in the law of the LORD.
      2 Blessed are they that keep his testimonies, and that seek him with the whole heart.
      3 They also do no iniquity: they walk in his ways.
      4 Thou hast commanded us to keep thy precepts diligently.
      5 O that my ways were directed to keep thy statutes!
      6 Then shall I not be ashamed, when I have respect unto all thy commandments.
      7 I will praise thee with uprightness of heart, when I shall have learned thy righteous judgments.
      8 I will keep thy statutes: O forsake me not utterly.
      The following verse stood out to me...
      5 O that my ways were directed to keep thy statutes!
      At first glance it seemed to me this person’s soul is poured out with intense desire to have God’s direction in keeping His Word.
      I made a small wood fire in our backyard for my granddaughter, Julia, since she would be staying overnight with us. My wife and Julia stayed outside at the fire for about half an hour. Then, I found myself alone to watch the fire die out on a particularly lovely evening. So I took my verse from above and began to repeat it for memorization. As I repeated the verse, I tried to contemplate the words and apply them to what I was seeing around me. 
      The moon and stars were out now peering through the scattered clouds above.
      [Genesis 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. Genesis 1:17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, Genesis 1:18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.]
      Thought 1         
      The moon has stayed his course since the day God created him, also the stars, obeying the statutes directed by God from the first day they were created. Can you imagine God’s direction to the Moon and stars, “moon you will have a path through the sky above the earth, stars you will occupy the firmament above the moon and be clearly visible in the cloudless night sky.”
      Then, the trees, grass, even the air we breathe obey the statues God gave them from the beginning. None of these creations have souls, none have hearts, none have intelligence, but they all observe God’s statutes, His instructions for their limited time on earth.
      Thought 2
      What if we were like the moon, stars, trees, grass, or the other creations which have no soul? We would be directed to keep God’s statutes without choosing to keep them. This is not the image of God, there would be no dominion over other creatures, or over the earth. We would not be capable of experiencing the joy and peace of learning the love of God
      Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
      Philippians 4:7 And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.
      Thought 3 (October 2, 2019)
      Is the psalmist pleading God to force God’s statutes to become the man’s ways? No, he is speaking of his own failure in keeping God’s statutes and his desire to keep them, very much like Paul in Romans 7:14-25.
      God doesn’t work through force to turn men from their ways that they would desire His statutes or desire God Himself. Men must reject (repent) put aside his own ways and voluntarily seek God and His statutes.

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The fact is, none can withhold the antichrist except God, His Son, and the Holy Spirit.  The Holy Spirit is in the world today, keeping us, as Jesus asked His Father to send it for that purpose in John's Gospel.  It is the Comforter, the Holy Spirit that is the restraining force in the world today.  He alone is keeping the antichrist from unleashing his full power upon the Church and the world.  And the Spirit will indeed be taken out of the way.  Not removed, but taken out of the way  so that the antichrist can go forth in the world and deceive many with lying signs and wonders.

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1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

 

[in my opinion, the subject of this chapter is the return of the Lord for us. I may be wrong, but as I read this over and over, this is what I come to.]

 

 

2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except... 

 

[then the details of what 'withholdeth' (or keeps away) the return of the Lord/'day of Christ']

 

... there come (1) a falling away first, and (2) that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?

 

6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

 

[in verse 6 above he tells them that 'now they know'. Also I believe the 'he' in this verse is not in reference to 'that Wicked' in verse 8,

but to the Lord Jesus and His revealing, i.e. the 'rapture']

 

 

7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

 

[The first 'he' seems to be the Lord, who is in control here, and the second 'he' could be "that Wicked" whom the Lord destroys at his coming]

 

8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

 

There.

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And, of course, the Holy Spirit was present in James & the Jerusalem Christians. 

 Bro. Ian, you still have not answered my question.  If the let and hindrance were James and the church, who was the man of sin they were hindering?

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 Bro. Ian, you still have not answered my question.  If the let and hindrance were James and the church, who was the man of sin they were hindering?

 

Simply by their presence in Jerusalem the believers were "letting" the destruction, like Noah, & like Lot in Sodom.  Luke 17:26-30 , Gen 18:23-25 , Gen. 19:15-16

 

John refers to one antichrist coming, & many already being around even now (at the time of writing). 1 John 2:18-19 He doesn't name them there, so how can I? His readers, like the Thessalonians, would know who he was writing about. 

 

However, he does give a clue in Rev. 13:18 & that number can be related to Nero, then viciously persecuting Christians who refused to burn incense to the emperor. The antichristian leaders in Jerusalem were at the same time persecuting the Christians. And then the Jewish rebellion occurred, & the destruction. John re-echoes Jesus' counsel to flee the city - Jerusalem/Babylon -  before the destruction. Rev. 18:4 , Rev. 18:24 , Mat. 23:34-38 

 

It is clear from the opening verses of Revelation that the events prophesied were things which must shortly come to pass ... for the time is at hand. 

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Revelation was written in 96AD.  Preterists claim that all 70 "weeks" of Daniel's prophecy were completed by 40AD. 

And yet, the Temple wasn't destroyed until 70AD.  It just doesn't "add up".

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Revelation was written in 96AD.  Preterists claim that all 70 "weeks" of Daniel's prophecy were completed by 40AD. 

And yet, the Temple wasn't destroyed until 70AD.  It just doesn't "add up".

 

The destruction of the city and temple was not included in the list of six points which were included in the 70 weeks.  They were to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy  verse 24.

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Simply by their presence in Jerusalem the believers were "letting" the destruction, like Noah, & like Lot in Sodom.  Luke 17:26-30 , Gen 18:23-25 , Gen. 19:15-16

 

John refers to one antichrist coming, & many already being around even now (at the time of writing). 1 John 2:18-19 He doesn't name them there, so how can I? His readers, like the Thessalonians, would know who he was writing about. 

 

However, he does give a clue in Rev. 13:18 & that number can be related to Nero, then viciously persecuting Christians who refused to burn incense to the emperor. The antichristian leaders in Jerusalem were at the same time persecuting the Christians. And then the Jewish rebellion occurred, & the destruction. John re-echoes Jesus' counsel to flee the city - Jerusalem/Babylon -  before the destruction. Rev. 18:4 , Rev. 18:24 , Mat. 23:34-38 

 

It is clear from the opening verses of Revelation that the events prophesied were things which must shortly come to pass ... for the time is at hand. 

 

But as the date the words were written was sometime in the 90s the "shortly come to pass" must be after that.

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But as the date the words were written was sometime in the 90s the "shortly come to pass" must be after that.

But as the subject matter relates to Jesus' Olivet prophecy, it must have been written before AD 70. 

 

Have you ANY Scripture to base a 90s date for Revelation? 

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Neither does 69 + 2,000 = 70.

It "adds up" if you consider the Body of Christ as a separate entity from Israel.  The Body of Christ is "removed" and Israel "takes over".

One year, or a thousand years, or two thousand years - it makes no difference to God.

 

BTW, last time I checked, the Temple Institute had all things prepared for the rebuilding of the third Temple.  It's only a matter of time...

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But as the subject matter relates to Jesus' Olivet prophecy, it must have been written before AD 70. 

 

Have you ANY Scripture to base a 90s date for Revelation? 

 

No but there are historic references to the late date.

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But as the subject matter relates to Jesus' Olivet prophecy, it must have been written before AD 70. 

 

Have you ANY Scripture to base a 90s date for Revelation? 

Have you ANY Scripture to base an early date (pre - 70 AD) for the book of Revelation?

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Have you ANY Scripture to base an early date (pre - 70 AD) for the book of Revelation?

 

One thing - John, (or Jesus, which ever way you want to look at it), doesn't mention the destruction of the temple as occurring.

And I think it would have come into the book, in some shape or form, if such a thing had happened.

If what Jesus was talking about in the Gospels, about the Temple walls being 'leveled', had been fulfilled, John would have mentioned it.

There is no scripture that I know of, in Revelation, that would seem to mention it as happening.

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Have you ANY Scripture to base an early date (pre - 70 AD) for the book of Revelation?

 

In response to your question to Covenanter: A 90 AD writing would have mentioned such a grand destruction

as did happen in 70 AD. So yes, since there is the lack of any mention, there is scripture proving a pre-70 AD writing of

the book John wrote, which we know as the book of Revelation.

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In response to your question to Covenanter: A 90 AD writing would have mentioned such a grand destruction

as did happen in 70 AD. So yes, since there is the lack of any mention, there is scripture proving a pre-70 AD writing of

the book John wrote, which we know as the book of Revelation.

Revelation 1:19 Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;

The thing is, just because John did not record the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem in his Revelation, does not prove that it had not taken place. 

For the book, Jesus Christ said "Write the things that thou hast seen."  If John was not in Jerusalem to see the destruction of the Temple, it stands to reason that he would not have written as one that had first-hand knowledge of it. 

So, the fact that he didn't mention it, doesn't mean it happened, or that it didn't happen... it simply means he did not see it. 

There is greater evidence that John the Revelator died after the destruction of the Temple at Jerusalem than before.  During the time that Jerusalem was invaded, Nero was the reigning emporor.  Nero didn't exile Christians... he killed them.  He used them as torches in his garden. 

But Domitian, who ruled after Nero and after Titus invaded Jerusalem, exiled Christians.  John was exiled to Patmos after he miraculously escaped death when he was put in a pot of boiling oil. 


 

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Revelation 1:19 Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;

The thing is, just because John did not record the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem in his Revelation, does not prove that it had not taken place. 

For the book, Jesus Christ said "Write the things that thou hast seen."  If John was not in Jerusalem to see the destruction of the Temple, it stands to reason that he would not have written as one that had first-hand knowledge of it. 

So, the fact that he didn't mention it, doesn't mean it happened, or that it didn't happen... it simply means he did not see it. 

There is greater evidence that John the Revelator died after the destruction of the Temple at Jerusalem than before.  During the time that Jerusalem was invaded, Nero was the reigning emporor.  Nero didn't exile Christians... he killed them.  He used them as torches in his garden. 

But Domitian, who ruled after Nero and after Titus invaded Jerusalem, exiled Christians.  John was exiled to Patmos after he miraculously escaped death when he was put in a pot of boiling oil. 

 

You are correct in this of course.

But I think the Lord would have pointed it out to John, if John didn't 'see it'.

It was, after all, spoken about by the Lord Jesus as something that would

occur, as per Matt. 24, Mark 13, Luke 19 & 21. If you believe it is the 70 AD

destruction Jesus Christ was talking about, that is.

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Revelation 1:19 Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;

The thing is, just because John did not record the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem in his Revelation, does not prove that it had not taken place. 

For the book, Jesus Christ said "Write the things that thou hast seen."  If John was not in Jerusalem to see the destruction of the Temple, it stands to reason that he would not have written as one that had first-hand knowledge of it. 

So, the fact that he didn't mention it, doesn't mean it happened, or that it didn't happen... it simply means he did not see it. 

There is greater evidence that John the Revelator died after the destruction of the Temple at Jerusalem than before.  During the time that Jerusalem was invaded, Nero was the reigning emporor.  Nero didn't exile Christians... he killed them.  He used them as torches in his garden. 

But Domitian, who ruled after Nero and after Titus invaded Jerusalem, exiled Christians.  John was exiled to Patmos after he miraculously escaped death when he was put in a pot of boiling oil. 
 

Was John in exile on Patmos? He simply writes: I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.

 

John did see the destruction - as yet future. Why look outside Revelation for proof of dating? Rev. 11:1-2 shows the temple still standing, & Rev. 11:8 onwards prophesies the destruction of Jerusalem. The witnesses show the characteristics of Moses & Elijah  - the Law & the Prophets that the Jewish leaders pretended allegiance to. Jesus speaks of this in his parable in Luke 16:29-31 

 

By rejecting a date for Revelation before AD 70 you are rejecting the clear opening message of the book ....  the events prophesied were things which must shortly come to pass ... for the time is at hand. 

 

The four horsemen in Rev. 6:8  predict the destruction of Jerusalem & in words prophesied also by Ezekiel: Eze. 14:21-23 where he sees also the deliverance of the godly remnant. 

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Sorry Covenanter, but Scripture refutes your argument that the Temple in Jerusalem was standing

John was in the Spirit on Patmus, not in Jerusalem. He was called up to the third Heaven, not to Jerusalem. The Temple he was to measure was future.

Revelation 4:1 (KJV) 1 After this I looked, and, behold, a door [was] opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard [was] as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.

I suggest you study outside the box of Preterism. Preterism is a disgrace to the truth.

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Revelation 1

 1  The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

Has anyone actually bothered to research the words and phrasing used in this verse?

I KNOW Covey hasn't. .......

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