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He was talking to his disciples privately. The message is inherently for the Jews, but it is a message for all to hear.

 

All of the signs that Jesus Christ said to watch for didn't happen during the disciples' lives. In fact, some of the disciples died shortly thereafter...Judas Iscariot and James (John's brother). Yes, Judas Iscariot was there during Matthew 24. If the message ONLY applied to the disciples, yet Judas and James died, does that mean Matthew 24 happened BEFORE Judas killed himself? Did Matthew 24 happen BEFORE James was killed by Herod? Or does Jesus' prophecy get "a pass" as far as they are concerned?

 

The Lord also said that "they" would be delivered up to be afflicted AND killed...and then he goes into a whole other set of signs for "them" to watch for. How could "they" watch for these other signs if they were dead?

 

He was talking to his disciples privately. The message is inherently for the Jews, but it is a message for all to hear.

 

Otherwise, when Christ told Nicodemus, "Ye must be born again." (and all that pertains to that), only Nicodemus could be born again since that's who Christ was talking to.  :scratchchin:

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He was talking to his disciples privately. The message is inherently for the Jews, but it is a message for all to hear.

 

All of the signs that Jesus Christ said to watch for didn't happen during the disciples' lives. In fact, some of the disciples died shortly thereafter...Judas Iscariot and James (John's brother). Yes, Judas Iscariot was there during Matthew 24. If the message ONLY applied to the disciples, yet Judas and James died, does that mean Matthew 24 happened BEFORE Judas killed himself? Did Matthew 24 happen BEFORE James was killed by Herod? Or does Jesus' prophecy get "a pass" as far as they are concerned?

 

The Lord also said that "they" would be delivered up to be afflicted AND killed...and then he goes into a whole other set of signs for "them" to watch for. How could "they" watch for these other signs if they were dead?

 

He was talking to his disciples privately. The message is inherently for the Jews, but it is a message for all to hear.

 

Otherwise, when Christ told Nicodemus, "Ye must be born again." (and all that pertains to that), only Nicodemus could be born again since that's who Christ was talking to.  :scratchchin:Except Jesus said, "Ye", which is plural. Basically, He said, "Verily, verily I say unto thee, (Nicodemas) Ye, (everyone) must be born again."

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He was talking to his disciples privately. The message is inherently for the Jews, but it is a message for all to hear.

 

All of the signs that Jesus Christ said to watch for didn't happen during the disciples' lives. In fact, some of the disciples died shortly thereafter...Judas Iscariot and James (John's brother). Yes, Judas Iscariot was there during Matthew 24. If the message ONLY applied to the disciples, yet Judas and James died, does that mean Matthew 24 happened BEFORE Judas killed himself? Did Matthew 24 happen BEFORE James was killed by Herod? Or does Jesus' prophecy get "a pass" as far as they are concerned?

 

The Lord also said that "they" would be delivered up to be afflicted AND killed...and then he goes into a whole other set of signs for "them" to watch for. How could "they" watch for these other signs if they were dead?

 

He was talking to his disciples privately. The message is inherently for the Jews, but it is a message for all to hear.

 

Otherwise, when Christ told Nicodemus, "Ye must be born again." (and all that pertains to that), only Nicodemus could be born again since that's whoi Christ was talking to.  :scratchchin:

He was speaking physically to the disciples privately, but I believe it was meant for all disciples (believers) then, and those of the church age. And though he was speaking to Nicodemus alone, it was of course addressed directly to everyone because "ye" is a plural pronoun in the KJB.

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I have a question here-

 

Just who is Jesus Christ, the ever living Son of God Almighty, God in the flesh, talking to in Matthew 24?

His disciples? The Jews? The Lost Tribes? Elvis? Us?

 

Who?

 

Mark is specific:

13:1 And as he went out of the temple, one of his disciples saith unto him, Master, see what manner of stones and what buildings are here!

2 And Jesus answering said unto him, Seest thou these great buildings? there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives over against the temple, Peter and James and John and Andrew asked him privately,

4 Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign when all these things shall be fulfilled?

And so is Jesus - he is prophesying the destruction that would take place in the lifetime of "this generation."

28 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When her branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is near:

29 So ye in like manner, when ye shall see these things come to pass, know that it is nigh, even at the doors.

30 Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done.

We know that James was soon killed, & that John lived on to see the rise of many antichrists, & expected Antichrist to appear "now". 

18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

History records that destruction taking place in AD 70. We also understand that the Jerusalem Christians saw the specific signs & fled the city before the destruction. 

Mat. 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

Mark 13:14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains

Luke 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.

These signs are readily understand literally, & seeing them, the Jerusalem Christians fled. There are other signs that cannot be taken literally. 

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Sure then - leave out the verses that talk about the signs that were not fulfilled.

Misinterpret "this generation" so that it ignores the plain English.

Once again apply Daniel to AD70 with no reason but that it suits you.

You can not help but twist the Scriptures.

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I have a question here-

 

Just who is Jesus Christ, the ever living Son of God Almighty, God in the flesh, talking to in Matthew 24?

His disciples? The Jews? The Lost Tribes? Elvis? Us?

 

Who?

 

 

 

He was talking to his disciples privately. The message is inherently for the Jews, but it is a message for all to hear.

 

 

Mark is specific:

 

As to the OP...who was Jesus Christ speaking to? Covenanter is correct; in that, Mark is more specific in some areas. Therefore, let's allow Jesus Christ to answer the OP's question...

 

Mark 13:37
And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch.

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But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day. Mt 24:20

If you OBey the "sabbath" then this chapter applies to you.

There will be messianic Jews during the Tribulation.

No, it just includes those who (properly) keep the Sabbath, not JUST for them.

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No, it just includes those who (properly) keep the Sabbath, not JUST for them.

OBviously, Jesus is referring to the "abomination of desolation" (spoken of by Daniel the Prophet).

Also, it is OBvious that Jesus is referring to a "sabbath day's journey", which is a very short walk.

By implication, Jesus did not know (at that time) exactly when the antichrist (false-Christ) whould

present himself in the Holy Place in the Temple.  This is a yet unfulfilled prophecy, and rightly

belongs in the Tribulation.

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