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According to Ruckman's teaching on abortion, It's not a person "until it breathes" and abortion is justifiable after rape....

**WARNING** Graphic images in this video...I would recommend audio only, and I am not posting this as an endorsement of Kent Hovind

 

Married 3 times and still "preaching", teaches that one can be saved by works after the rapture, and foul language seems to be OK. It doesn't matter how many "PHD's" a man has; if he teaches heresy, he's a wolf....

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I have read many Ruckman articles, but it has been prOBably 20 years ago or longer, and I found his 'lifestyle' to be questionable, even back then.

His language, combined with his attitude, have put a 'divot' on the head of KJVers, that has ruined a wide variety of 'defenses' for the accuracy of God's word.

The videos he put out, I think, tried to 'smooth-over' his roughness.

Though I am not a KJB only, I have found that the times I used his information for defense of the bible, his name almost always comes up, and to the detriment

of the truth.

I hold no ill will toward Ruckman, every man should live his own convictions, but we are known by our fruit, and that is not just the fruit of our lips, but also the fruit of our 'path' that we tread.

If we are not careful, we can ruin, not only the testimony of ourselves, but also the veracity of the scriptures because of the testimony of ourselves.

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isn't there a difference between using and believing the KJV Bible?

 

Yes, but some IFB seem to think the KJB is a 'magic wand' and it alone saves people, and without it nOBody gets saved. These above situations declare the 'common sense' of that.

I don't think the scriptures support the so-called fact that reading the Bible alone saves anyone, as per the 'Ethiopian eunuch' situation.

Forget the fact that there has to be the 'foolishness of preaching' included.

So yes there is a difference. A BIG difference.

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I AM LAUGHING OUT LOUD over these biased, agenda-ed videos. I had a minute to watch them and and surprisingly disappointed in the wisdom I take for granted by some.

 

I could care less about Ruckman but can say that I have see him preach and enjoyed it every time. The same and more so about Hutson. However I have never read any of either of their writings and I have never heard of Hovind.

 

BUT, these videos are exactly the kind of examples I mean when I say you cannot trust the writings and now lets include the videos of men.

 

How blatantly twisted are the facts in "roast or slander" videos of other people. Come on, I expect women to take this kind of play on emotions as fact, but men?

 

Whether you love or hate these muttenheads is irrelevant. What is relevant is that who cares what any of them say or their critics and why does it affect you so??? They are just dudes.

 

Allot of people on here throw the words heresy and heretic around like candy. I wonder if any have the first clue what the words really mean?

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Freewill Baptists teach after getting saved they keep their salvation by works. In my area they are strong KJV only men and women. After sinning they teach they must get saved again. So each day they are saved and lost many many times. They live under a heavy yoke of works. 

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In that respect, they're basically Arminian in doctrine.          Basically, the only difference in that and the Pentecostals is "speaking in tongues".  Just one of the many sad, dead religions.                         

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In that respect, they're basically Arminian in doctrine.          Basically, the only difference in that and the Pentecostals is "speaking in tongues".  Just one of the many sad, dead religions.                         

What branch of Pentecostals believes one can lose their salvation? I've never personally met a Pentecostal who had that view.

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What branch of Pentecostals believes one can lose their salvation? I've never personally met a Pentecostal who had that view.

Glen Lowery, Pastor, Pace Assembly of God, Pace, Fl --  "I could be a Baptist if it wasn't for that damnable Baptist doctrine of eternal security."

 

"Bro. Dave", Pastor, Huntsville Community Holiness, Huntsville, Al -- "If a woman pierces her ears she damns her soul to Hell."

 

Those are two that I've heard personally.

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What branch of Pentecostals believes one can lose their salvation? I've never personally met a Pentecostal who had that view.


I've never personally met a pentecostal that DIDN'T have that view...... Edited by DaveW

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Glen Lowery, Pastor, Pace Assembly of God, Pace, Fl --  "I could be a Baptist if it wasn't for that damnable Baptist doctrine of eternal security."

 

"Bro. Dave", Pastor, Huntsville Community Holiness, Huntsville, Al -- "If a woman pierces her ears she damns her soul to Hell."

 

Those are two that I've heard personally.

I don't know what the pastor of the nearest Assemblies of God teaches, but the pastor there many years ago taught eternal security.

 

Assemblies of God churches seem to be all over the place as to what they believe, teach and how they conduct themselves. I read somewhere there are only limited requirements for a church to become a part of the AoG and other than that, they are pretty independent.

 

I do know the last pastor of the nearest Assemblies of God I saw in action was an out there Charismatic. TOTALLY different than the pastor he replaced.

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What branch of Pentecostals believes one can lose their salvation? I've never personally met a Pentecostal who had that view.

My late mother was Pentecostal, and she held that position.  She even told me back in 2001 that she was saved in her teens, but got away from Church and did some bad things, causing her to lose her Salvation.

I never could get her to understand the seal of Salvation was unbreakable.

edited to add:  Oh, she does believe that, though she lost her Salvation, she was saved again in her late 20's.

 

Edited by Standing Firm In Christ

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My late mother was Pentecostal, and she held that position.  She even told me back in 2001 that she was saved in her teens, but got away from Church and did some bad things, causing her to lose her Salvation.

I never could get her to understand the seal of Salvation was unbreakable.

We have a woman in our church who came from a church (not Pentecostal) that taught one could lose salvation and even now after being in our church for many years and learning the truth, she still has a hard time shaking what she was taught all those years ago and spent most of her life believing.

 

I can kind of relate to the fear and worry and stress this brings upon so many who are taught they can lose their salvation. I grew up attending Methodist Sunday school and while they never taught one could lose their salvation (no real salvation teaching at all), what I did learn was that I had to be "good" to go to heaven and if I wasn't "good enough" God would punish me and God and devil were always looking for reasons to "get me".

 

As a child and through most of my teens I worried about just what "good enough" was; feeling like I prOBably wasn't, while looking over my shoulder for God to zap me or looking down at my feet waiting for the devil to reach up out of hell and trip me.

 

What a relief when very shortly after my 18th birthday I was born again and told the biblical truth that my salvation was forever secure. Even so, it took some time and more teaching on the matter to fully drive those old, false notions from my thinking.

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I've never personally met a pentecostal that DIDN'T have that view......


Me, either. One of my grandpas was a pentacostal preacher...he believed that, as did my dad's entire family - a whole slew of people spread out in a lot of churches in WVA. And all of the folks they married, etc. Interestingly enough, the only ones that believed in eternal security were my dad and one of his brothers-both of whom left WVA and got saved while in the Navy - and became Baptist.(my uncle was led to the Lord by Paul Chappel and in turn led my dad to the Lord. But because of his earlier training, my dad wrestled with doubt for a number of years. God gave him victory.)

There are some that seem to teach eternal security, but when you really nail them down, there is almost always something that can cause loss of salvation. The great majority teach that you must live a certain way to stay saved. Pereservere to the end...

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That first video is childish nonsense, in the sense of the way that it was edited.  Foolishness. 

Ruckman has been hated from the beginning because of his stand for the King James

and his criticism and rejection of the so-called superior "modern translations".

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There aren't that many Pentecostals around here so my personal contact with such is limited. Those few I have personally known must be on the more conservative side of Pentecostals.

 

Thank you to those who took the time to give some details on some Pentecostal beliefs. I'll keep these things in mind for any future talks with Pentecostals to help guide any discussions with them.

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When you confront those Pentecostals, ask them why they have catchers to catch those slain in the Spirit? I say, move out of the way and let them fall. If it truly is the Spirit, why hinder His work? Let them fall with the force He knocked them down.

Of course, there is a chance they will stand up immediately and manifest what spirit really prompted them to fall. LOL

Edited by Standing Firm In Christ

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Not all of them have catchers. One of my cousins (grandson of two pentecostal preachers - my gpa and his mom's dad as well) married the daughter of another pentecostal preacher (I'm telling you....).  I had the, erm, privilege of going to one of the services (sadly, my sister "spoke in tongues" that night - sometimes phony, but my sister was definitely in a trance...scary stuff) at his church and saw some so slain, falling to the ground. Of course, there were no cameras...

 

 

John, I'd bet if you dig deep enough, the pentecostals you know would admit that they believe in eternal security as long as they didn't do some certain sin. In my aunt's case, it was smoking. In my mother-in-law's case (she was raised pentecostal, became Baptist but didn't completely give up some of her training), it would be murder. Yes, I know that is egregious, but she was adamant that anyone who killed someone would lose their salvation. Now, there is some argument that mayhap they wouldn't have been really saved, but that aside, murder wouldn't cause loss.  In one of my hubby's uncle's case, it was divorce.  Etc.

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Echoing others, every Pentecostal I've heard speak on the matter--mostly AOG--has said that they believe salvation can be lost. Oneness Pentecostals also reject the Trinity and believe that 'baptism in the Holy Spirit' is necessary for salvation, i.e. if you haven't spoken in tongues then you are not saved. Don't think there are many of that kind of Pentecostal, though.

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