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Evangelist,   I stand solidly behind everything I said. You said in your last post that you will leave me alone because my church holds to the essentials of the faith. Isn't that generous of you? Do

There is no Calvinist vs. Arminian debate here.   Again, I personally know a few Calvinists. I don't personally know any Arminians, but I know many who are neither Calvinist nor Arminian.   Why do

Look at your postings. You posted a good thread on reaching out to wayward churches which I commended. Look at how many postings elsewhere in which you bring up Calvinism. Your accusation of me lying

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John, for what it's worth I don't think there's anything remotely suspicious about you mentioning that someone pointed you to this site but not naming them. So no pressure from me, and no suspicion. And I suspect others on here like me will simply regard you based on what you say rather than by association.

I joined this site by invitation too and I mentioned it at the time without naming the person. It happens they happily revealed themselves when they piped up to welcome me (U4tarheel, now Larry02), but if they hadn't I wouldn't have identified them unless they asked me to.


Thank you I appreciate your kindness it means allot.
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Anyway, welcome.

 

Flexibility is a general key here to use.

As I don't agree with everything here, (as others also), we all need to learn that - 'nOBody can live other people's convictions'.

We need to live our own convictions about what we believe and let others do the same, that's what makes them our own convictions.

But be nice. [Romans 12:18]

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Google Steve Lawson and find a Calvinist IFB church with DISP eschatology.

The difference is eschatology plain and simple. There are lots of these types of churches out there. Some are Baptist and others Bible churches.

That name sounds familiar. I think I saw something about or from him having to do with Ligonier, perhaps theri Table Talk publication or something online; I don't recall.

 

Do you know if Lawson and Sproul hold to similar views? I know a little bit of Sproul as I've had a couple of good Christian friends who liked reading and listening to Sproul.

 

Is Sproul a Dispensational Calvinist?

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That name sounds familiar. I think I saw something about or from him having to do with Ligonier, perhaps theri Table Talk publication or something online; I don't recall.

 

Do you know if Lawson and Sproul hold to similar views? I know a little bit of Sproul as I've had a couple of good Christian friends who liked reading and listening to Sproul.

 

Is Sproul a Dispensational Calvinist?

 

RC? No way. 

 

Steve Lawson? Yes indeed.

 

http://www.cfmOBile.org/doctrinal-statement

 

You see they affirm SEPARATION which makes them IFB, and then they also show evidence of Calvinism and Dispensationalism which makes them a Calvinist Baptist Church.

 

Reformed Baptist are different. 

 

http://www.rbcnc.com

 

Compare the two churches and they are similar but different. People on this form will label all Calvinists as one and the same but this is a false characterization. 

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The typical modern IFB Pastor fears disenting viewpoints, so he seeks to avoid any debate.

Why would the Nicolaitan relinquish those laymen he has conquered, and fares sumptuously on?

So, keep an eye out for those who would rather ban you than discuss ideas, and you'll see the pointy ears come through the wool.

Act 20:29-30
29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.

The wolf who rises above the other elders, who was one of them, but desireth the preeminence thinks he is always right, so there should be no debate, no Berean search.

Watch who's head pops up forvthis post.

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The typical modern IFB Pastor fears disenting viewpoints, so he seeks to avoid any debate.

Why would the Nicolaitan relinquish those laymen he has conquered, and fares sumptuously on?

So, keep an eye out for those who would rather ban you than discuss ideas, and you'll see the pointy ears come through the wool.

Act 20:29-30
29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.

The wolf who rises above the other elders, who was one of them, but desireth the preeminence thinks he is always right, so there should be no debate, no Berean search.

Watch who's head pops up forvthis post.


You may be correct. Many of them are very divisive and hateful towards those not a clone of their views. For example a recent thread I asked if a man I was chatting with is Catholic or Agnostic. To date no one has answered my question but have attacked the way I wrote the message or gone off topic. That's a divisive and unchristian attitude.
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The typical modern IFB Pastor fears disenting viewpoints, so he seeks to avoid any debate. Why would the Nicolaitan relinquish those laymen he has conquered, and fares sumptuously on? So, keep an eye out for those who would rather ban you than discuss ideas, and you'll see the pointy ears come through the wool. Act 20:29-30 29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. 30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them. The wolf who rises above the other elders, who was one of them, but desireth the preeminence thinks he is always right, so there should be no debate, no Berean search. Watch who's head pops up forvthis post.
You may be correct. Many of them are very divisive and hateful towards those not a clone of their views. For example a recent thread I asked if a man I was chatting with is Catholic or Agnostic. To date no one has answered my question but have attacked the way I wrote the message or gone off topic. That's a divisive and unchristian attitude. I just got an email from the man and he claims a combination of views. Edited by evangelist6589
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I know i wouldn't want to be part of a site that was all about stuff I didn't believe in to be true.

Another Calvinist to cause confusion and debate. There's plenty of sites for Calvinists and this isn't one of them. You're peddling deception and lies.

 

Mathew 7:15 "Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolfs."

Miss Daisy, Do you read Spurgeon?

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I did, because he has an evangelistic zeal that puts many IFB Baptists to shame.

 

So, I was right.

 

Jordan, why do you purposely invite people here who disagree with the site? You invited Winman...a Pelagian, and now you've invited a Calvinist who continues to promote Calvinism and those who adhere to it.

 

The only true evangelistic zeal that he has shown so far is his zeal for Calvinism and the men he keeps wanting others to google.

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So, I was right.

 

Jordan, why do you purposely invite people here who disagree with the site? You invited Winman...a Pelagian, and now you've invited a Calvinist who continues to promote Calvinism and those who adhere to it.

 

The only true evangelistic zeal that he has shown so far is his zeal for Calvinism and the men he keeps wanting others to google.

Indeed, if he's here because of his zeal for evangelism, it would be really great to read some posts on evangelism rather than asking questions about Calvinism.

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The only true evangelistic zeal that he has shown so far is his zeal for Calvinism and the men he keeps wanting others to google.

 

Indeed, if he's here because of his zeal for evangelism, it would be really great to read some posts on evangelism rather than asking questions about Calvinism.

 

To be fair to John E, he has started a very interesting thread on >writing letters to churches.

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So, I was right.

Jordan, why do you purposely invite people here who disagree with the site? You invited Winman...a Pelagian, and now you've invited a Calvinist who continues to promote Calvinism and those who adhere to it.

The only true evangelistic zeal that he has shown so far is his zeal for Calvinism and the men he keeps wanting others to google.


This is a false accusation. I am sending lots of letters to churches and not once have I advocated Calvinism. I have advocated the gospel. Also I choose to ignore the IFB churches as they do preach the gospel. My main focus is the GOSPEL.

WinMan? Is he here?
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Check out the evidence for yourself. Some of these people LIE AND BARE FALSE WITNESS. My zeal is evangelism and yes I am a Calvinist but I am not attacking Arminian or as Reformed seminary called them inconsistent Arminian that preach the gospel. I read Charles Stanley and Ron Rhodes whom are not Calvinist nor do they hold to the 5 points of Arminian theology.

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There is no Calvinist vs. Arminian debate here.

 

Again, I personally know a few Calvinists. I don't personally know any Arminians, but I know many who are neither Calvinist nor Arminian.

 

Why do Calvinists call anyone who isn't a Calvinist an Arminian?

 

I serve a Savior, not a system.

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Calvin and Arminius were both mistaken in some of their doctrines (very important doctrines) so why do people want to call themselves by there names.  I read the bible, I follow the teachings of my savior and God,Jesus Christ.  I follow no man because I find that most of them are just as messed up about some things as I am.  All this to say, I am a Christian . . . . call me by no other name please.

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Another lie. A late post I posted asking if someone is Catholic or Agnostic.

Look at your postings. You posted a good thread on reaching out to wayward churches which I commended. Look at how many postings elsewhere in which you bring up Calvinism. Your accusation of me lying speaks ill of your intent.

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Exactly.

 

We are so divided nowadays it's sad. 

 

Who's this 'we" that are "so divided"?  Jordan, if you are hanging around and listening to people like this new guy you just invited, I can see why you think there is division. You know, we teach our kids that they will be identified by those that they hang around with. It is the same in religious circles.

 

Do I have anything positive to say? Yes, Align yourself with true Independent Baptists that are not divided and all speak the same thing, as Paul advised us to do. There is no room for listening to false doctrine in the life of a true servant of Christ. He has his jOB cut out for him just learning and holding to the truth of the faith.

 

There is no room for an Independent Baptist to expose himself to teaching that is questionable in light of Scripture, or in light of what we have been taught.  2Th 2:15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

 

There has to come a time in the life of every true Christian where he knows what he believes and why he believes it. This is called maturity. You must strive for this place or forever be tossed about by every wind of doctrine and the slight of men. 

Eph 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

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Who's this 'we" that are "so divided"?  Jordan, if you are hanging around and listening to people like this new guy you just invited, I can see why you think there is division. You know, we teach our kids that they will be identified by those that they hang around with. It is the same in religious circles.

 

Do I have anything positive to say? Yes, Align yourself with true Independent Baptists that are not divided and all speak the same thing, as Paul advised us to do. There is no room for listening to false doctrine in the life of a true servant of Christ. He has his jOB cut out for him just learning and holding to the truth of the faith.

 

There is no room for an Independent Baptist to expose himself to teaching that is questionable in light of Scripture, or in light of what we have been taught.  2Th 2:15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

 

There has to come a time in the life of every true Christian where he knows what he believes and why he believes it. This is called maturity. You must strive for this place or forever be tossed about by every wind of doctrine and the slight of men. 

Eph 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

 

This is a cultic post because it questions the salvation of Calvinists. I have not once said that non CAL IFB are not saved. Mods is this against the rules? 

 

This poster has not studied the issues, not studied the scriptures defending the DOG, and is an example of an anti-intellectual bigot. Alos he assumes that only non CAL are IFB, and he misses the many Calvinist IFB churches. 

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Who's this 'we" that are "so divided"?  Jordan, if you are hanging around and listening to people like this new guy you just invited, I can see why you think there is division. You know, we teach our kids that they will be identified by those that they hang around with. It is the same in religious circles.

 

Do I have anything positive to say? Yes, Align yourself with true Independent Baptists that are not divided and all speak the same thing, as Paul advised us to do. There is no room for listening to false doctrine in the life of a true servant of Christ. He has his jOB cut out for him just learning and holding to the truth of the faith.

 

There is no room for an Independent Baptist to expose himself to teaching that is questionable in light of Scripture, or in light of what we have been taught.  2Th 2:15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

 

There has to come a time in the life of every true Christian where he knows what he believes and why he believes it. This is called maturity. You must strive for this place or forever be tossed about by every wind of doctrine and the slight of men. 

Eph 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

 

You think only IFB are saved heh and all others are teaching a false gospel? If that is your position you are a cult and do not know the gospel of our Lord and savior Jesus Christ. All those that know the gospel and follow him as Lord are in Christ. PLENTY of non IFB are born again and disciples of Jesus. You sir preach legalism and tradition. I preach Jesus. 

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http://countrybabtistchurch.com/what_we_believe.htm

 

Your church James holds to the essentials of the faith so I will leave you alone. But you are out of line to question the salvation of Calvinists. 

 

Listen to what scripture says.

 

Gal 5:22-23 (KJV)

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

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This is a cultic post because it questions the salvation of Calvinists. I have not once said that non CAL IFB are not saved. Mods is this against the rules? 

 

This poster has not studied the issues, not studied the scriptures defending the DOG, and is an example of an anti-intellectual bigot. Alos he assumes that only non CAL are IFB, and he misses the many Calvinist IFB churches. 

 

Evangelist,

 

I stand solidly behind everything I said. You said in your last post that you will leave me alone because my church holds to the essentials of the faith. Isn't that generous of you? Do me a favor and don't do me any favors.

 

You accuse me of being cultic and an anti-intellectual bigot and then end by saying that I questioned the salvation of Calvinists. I never made any such judgement about anyone. I never said that only IFB were saved, you made that assumption. I did indicate that outside of IFB ranks false doctrine is taught, I stand by that statement. You also said I was preaching legalism, are you sure you can't come up with anything else to charge me with? You could use a little dose of the "Fruit of the Spirit" that you asked me to OBserve. If what you wrote is your example of the Fruit of the Spirit, it speaks volumes.

 

I find it very telling that you will spew out this sort of false accusations and vitriol without once backing up your absurd accusations. My reply was to Jordan, not you, yet you felt perfectly justified in your own mind in personally attacking me.

 

You have revealed your true reason for being here, you are not quite a smart as you seem to think you are. Not only have you viciously attacked me, but you have also made it abundantly clear from your posts that you are out to set members of this board against one another. You post posts with a Calvinist leaning, knowing full well that most here do not hold to that teaching.

 

Sir, this is called being a Troll, a term I am sure you are familiar with. The only difference between you and any other Internet Troll is that your agenda wears a thin veil of Christianity. I really thought that you would be savvy enough to take time enough to put some members at ease before revealing your real mission here, which is to spread dissention as well as pushing your Calvinist doctrine under the guise of Evangelizing us.

 

How well the Apostle Paul described your ilk.

 

 Ac 20:29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
 30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.

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Funny how Calvies don't like their salvation questioned when their doctrine teaches that Christ didn't die for all men.

Tell us, Evan... How do you know you are elect? How do you know your worship, your prayers are even heard by the God of creation?

Investigating your name reveals some interesting beliefs that you espouse. Such as your belief that it is OK to disOBey God's Word in regards to the saved and alcoholic beverage.

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Question...

If, as Calvinists claim, God pre-determined a certain people to be saved and determined all others would have no chance to repent, believe the Gospel, and be saved, ... Why would Jesus tell His Apostles to preach the Gospel to every creature? Jesus says we will give account for every idle Word we speak. Yet, if we are to believe Calvinists, Jesus contradicted Himself when He told the Apostles to preach the Gospel to every creature... Thereby telling them to speak idle words.

If the totally depraved can do nothing except they be regenerated first, how could the angry mOB who stoned Stephen have "alway resist the Holy Ghost"?

2 Peter 2:1 (KJV) 1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

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Evangelist,

 

I stand solidly behind everything I said. You said in your last post that you will leave me alone because my church holds to the essentials of the faith. Isn't that generous of you? Do me a favor and don't do me any favors.

 

You accuse me of being cultic and an anti-intellectual bigot and then end by saying that I questioned the salvation of Calvinists. I never made any such judgement about anyone. I never said that only IFB were saved, you made that assumption. I did indicate that outside of IFB ranks false doctrine is taught, I stand by that statement. You also said I was preaching legalism, are you sure you can't come up with anything else to charge me with? You could use a little dose of the "Fruit of the Spirit" that you asked me to OBserve. If what you wrote is your example of the Fruit of the Spirit, it speaks volumes.

 

I find it very telling that you will spew out this sort of false accusations and vitriol without once backing up your absurd accusations. My reply was to Jordan, not you, yet you felt perfectly justified in your own mind in personally attacking me.

 

You have revealed your true reason for being here, you are not quite a smart as you seem to think you are. Not only have you viciously attacked me, but you have also made it abundantly clear from your posts that you are out to set members of this board against one another. You post posts with a Calvinist leaning, knowing full well that most here do not hold to that teaching.

 

Sir, this is called being a Troll, a term I am sure you are familiar with. The only difference between you and any other Internet Troll is that your agenda wears a thin veil of Christianity. I really thought that you would be savvy enough to take time enough to put some members at ease before revealing your real mission here, which is to spread dissention as well as pushing your Calvinist doctrine under the guise of Evangelizing us.

 

How well the Apostle Paul described your ilk.

 

 Ac 20:29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
 30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.

 

Why do you falsely accuse me, judge my motives and also lie? If you wanted a reply to Jordan then use the PM feature and not post on the board publicly.

 

Good Day sir!!!!

 

 

John

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