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Exodus 22:22-24 (KJV)
22  Ye shall not afflict any widow, or fatherless child.
23  If thou afflict them in any wise, and they cry at all unto me, I will surely hear their cry;
24  And my wrath shall wax hot, and I will kill you with the sword; and your wives shall be widows, and your children fatherless. 

 

I have not seen such strong language from God about very many other things.  Our bus route is filled with "Fatherless Children".  I think I will go down to McDonalds and buy a bunch of $5 gift cards for the 35 kids on the bus.  Thankfully only one widow in our church, but Mrs. Buttles yard is about to get taken care of today.

 

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Exodus 22:22-24 (KJV)
22  Ye shall not afflict any widow, or fatherless child.
23  If thou afflict them in any wise, and they cry at all unto me, I will surely hear their cry;
24  And my wrath shall wax hot, and I will kill you with the sword; and your wives shall be widows, and your children fatherless. 

 

I have not seen such strong language from God about very many other things.  Our bus route is filled with "Fatherless Children".  I think I will go down to McDonalds and buy a bunch of $5 gift cards for the 35 kids on the bus.  Thankfully only one widow in our church, but Mrs. Buttles yard is about to get taken care of today.

 

Bro. Garry

In His will.  By His power.  For His glory.

Bro that has to do with Israel.  Because of how Egypt afflicted them in that matter while they sojourned there.

 

However, I would still be careful with how we treat others for the teachings to the church by Paul surely teach us to take care of these.

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Matthew 18:6 --  But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

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I couldn't resist.  I looked up the word "afflict" in the Strong's.  Found a mistake,... well, two mistakes. 

It gives the usual definitions for "afflict", look down upon, browbeat, deal hard with, etc..  But it also translates the word to mean "sing" and "speak".

Don't sing to them?  Don't speak to them?  LOL

Sorry, couldn't resist.  Carry on!

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AVBB is correct.  That was a command for Israel only. 

Gentile nations were not given the statutes contained in the Law of Moses. 

Psalms 147:19 He sheweth his word unto JacOB, his statutes and his judgments unto Israel.
Psalms 147:20 He hath not dealt so with any nation: and as for his judgments, they have not known them. Praise ye the LORD.

Acts 15:10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

Acts 15:23 And they wrote letters by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia:
Acts 15:24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:
Acts 15:25 It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,
Acts 15:26 Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Acts 15:27 We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, who shall also tell you the same things by mouth.
Acts 15:28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;
Acts 15:29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.


To teach Gentile Converts to faith in our Lord Jesus Christ have to keep the Law of Moses is to tempt God (Acts 15:10) and to subvert the souls of the Gentiles (Acts 15:24)

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James 1:27

Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

 

 

Matthew 18:6 --  But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

Both of these are to Israel.  Not the church of God.

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Of all the topics on this site, I certainly didn't expect this one to generate any controversy.  So are you saying that the church is not held responsible for the care of widows and fatherless children?  That the entire office of the Deacon wasn't created specifically to help with the care of widows?  

 

Acts 6:1-3 (KJV)
1  And in those days, when the number of the disciples was multiplied, there arose a murmuring of the Grecians against the Hebrews, because their widows were neglected in the daily ministration.
2  Then the twelve called the multitude of the disciples unto them, and said, It is not reason that we should leave the word of God, and serve tables.
3  Wherefore, brethren, look ye out among you seven men of honest report, full of the Holy Ghost and wisdom, whom we may appoint over this business.  

 

If I am totally misunderstanding your stance than forgive me, but your questioning whether these verses have been rightly divided is a surprise to me.  

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If we're going to "rightly divide" this way...let's at least be consistent.
 
The Book of Romans only applied to the Romans.
The Books of 1 and 2 Corinthians only applied to the Corinthians.
Philippians only applied to the Philippians.
1 and 2 Timothy only applied to Timothy.
 
etc...

maybe he does divide this way? LOL
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And even those statutes and ordinances give us a glimpse into the mind of God and are therefore profitable.

only in the sense of knowing they are not required. ( Psalm 147:19-20 ). If one attempts to keep one, one must keep all or be cursed. (Galatians 3:10 ) If one attempts to keep the law on one's own terms, (I'll OBey this, but how I want to OBserve it and not how it is written) that one is guilty of breaking the Law he claims to be OBeying. (James 2:10 ) Edited by Standing Firm In Christ
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2bLikeJesus, on 22 Aug 2014 - 6:47 PM, said:snapback.png

And even those statutes and ordinances give us a glimpse into the mind of God and are therefore profitable.

 

 

only in the sense of knowing they are not required. ( Psalm 147:19-20 ). If one attempts to keep one, one must keep all or be cursed. (Galatians 3:10 ) If one attempts to keep the law on one's own terms, (I'll OBey this, but how I want to OBserve it and not how it is written) that one is guilty of breaking the Law he claims to be OBeying. (James 2:10 )

I find that argument extraordinary. Attempting to keep the Law for justification, to establish our own righteousness can only fail. We would be condemned, & cursed as lawbreakers. But that is NOT the thrust of the OP or the thread. We are encouraged - blessed - by delighting in the Law. We are saved by grace, justified by our faith in Christ & his righteousness, but we will NOT continue in sin.

 

Psalm 1:1 Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.

2 But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.

 

The Pastor demands tithes - that is sinful legalism. A Christian who freely tithes & gives to the needy is giving for the Lord's work - that is more than acceptable - it is practical Christianity.

 

The spiritual Christian is living under the new covenant, led by the Holy Spirit:

Heb. 8:For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

 

We are living the spirit of the Law with renewed hearts & minds.

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Is this only for Israel?

 

the immediate historical context of Matthew and James. (brother of John the beloved ((Jas 1:1 ¶ James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes)) is for Israel. 

 

There can be application for the church of God, but not from using those scriptures seeing Paul restated similar teaching for the church of God.

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Wow. So let's just cut James out of our Bibles. And all the rest that is "just for Israel."  SMH.  

Happy, sarcasm is not necessary and it is a belittling comment.

 

 

who does the brother of John the beloved say he is writing too?

 

Jas 1:1 ¶ James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes

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If we're going to "rightly divide" this way...let's at least be consistent.

 

The Book of Romans only applied to the Romans.

The Books of 1 and 2 Corinthians only applied to the Corinthians.

Philippians only applied to the Philippians.

1 and 2 Timothy only applied to Timothy.

 

etc...

the correct doctrinal verses for the church come from Romans, Corinthians, Philippians.  You could use parts of Matthew or James as support verses but not for establishment of a doctrine for the church of God.

 

First lesson of right division is asking who it is speaking to historical and doctrinally?  Israel

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And even those statutes and ordinances give us a glimpse into the mind of God and are therefore profitable.  

I never said the church of God could not profit from them I only pointed out they are directed doctrinally and historically and possibly prophetically to Israel.

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I get the opinion some of you couldn't really rightly divide yourself out of a paper bag with the assumptions you jump too without OBserving the context and answering the 6 W's and 1 H questions before you make your attempts to RD.

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Happy, sarcasm is not necessary and it is a belittling comment.

 

 

who does the brother of John the beloved say he is writing too?

 

Jas 1:1 ¶ James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes

For starters, my comment was not sarcasm. It was an OBservation.  And it wasn't belittling.  Stop trying to moderate the forum, AVBB.  Okay? 

 

You know, I can read. I know that the book was originally written to the 12 tribes. But you are fooling yourself if you believe that it doesn't apply to us.  It does, whether you or anyone else likes it or not.  As do the gospels and the OT.  Whether it's for instruction, pictorial instruction, parable, principle, command, etc.

 

I'm kinda tired of folks who try to parse scripture and tell us what applies to our lives as Christians and what doesn't.  God's Word is God's Word and everything within it has something to teach us.  Now, if you think that's belittling, that's up to you. I'm thinking mayhap God thinks some folks - some on this forum even - belittle His Word.

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...sarcasm is not necessary and it is a belittling comment.

 

I get the opinion some of you couldn't really rightly divide yourself out of a paper bag with the assumptions you jump too without OBserving the context and answering the 6 W's and 1 H questions before you make your attempts to RD.

 

Speaking of belittling, the latter quote is a fine example of the former comment.

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I never said the church of God could not profit from them I only pointed out they are directed doctrinally and historically and possibly prophetically to Israel.

16All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

17That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.   II Timothy 3:16

 

Is it directed doctrinally to Israel or can I use it?  There is alot directed historically to Israel but we would not be doing ourselves much good to ignore.

 

 

 

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Since we are only supposed to get our doctrine from Paul's writings, let's see what Paul has to say about this...

 

1 Corinthians 10:6-11
6  Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.
7  Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.
8  Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand.
9  Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.

10  Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer.
11  Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.

 

Interesting...Paul uses the Old Testament to warn the Gentile-Corinthian church.

Even telling them not to do the things that Israel did.

Even quoted the Old Testament to them in verse 7!

Even said those examples were FOR us!

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God is very serious about caring for the widows and orphans, and not offending them or others.  Earlier, I quoted one verse from Matthew 18, but the entire chapter is Jesus (God) talking about not offending people and the consequences of doing so. Look at the end of Matthew 17, where Jesus instructs Peter to pay their tribute, so they won't offend "them". Matthew 17:27 Notwithstanding, lest we should offend them, go thou to the sea, and cast an hook, and take up the fish that first cometh up; and when thou hast opened his mouth, thou shalt find a piece of money: that take, and give unto them for me and thee. 

Then chapter 18 continues the theme of not offending others and listing the consequences if one chooses to offend. 

 

 

 

 

**Edited to keep on track of the original topic. Sorry to have aided in derailing the thread.

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