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The verse does not say "except they agree to walk together."

How can there be unity when one believes one thing and another believes something entirely different? 

Answer, there cannot be.  Amos 3:3 is speaking of likeminded people walking together.

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 NT principle teaches that we have to be careful about those with whom we walk. There is no true unity if one party adheres to heresy.  We need to remember 2 Cor. 6:

 

"Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hat righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?  And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.  Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord..."

 

That doesn't mean we don't ever talk to those who believe heresy.  But we do not walk with them...because if we do, we are disOBeying scripture.  

 

Commentary on Amos 3:3

 

 

The design of these words is to show, that without friendship there is no fellowship, and without concord no communion; 

The verses I quoted above and other verses throughout the NT show that there can be no real friendship/fellowship/concord/communion with those who walk contrary to scripture.

 

 

And so it must be between men and men, that walk in a religious way; regenerate and unregenerate persons cannot walk together, there being no concord, ( 2 Corinthians 6:14 2 Corinthians 6:15 ) ; nor can all sorts of professors; they must agree in the way Christ, and in the fundamental principles of religion; and in worship, and the manner of it; and in all the ordinances of the Gospel, and the manner of administering them.

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Yes it does. "except they be agreed." Agreed to what? Walk together.

We do not have to agree in order to walk together even though as Christians we will agree on much and certainly we must agree on the authority of Scripture to take us further in our understanding of God’s truth. None of us have arrived yet in understanding of all things where we can demand agreement from others with us on all points. We must understand that a disagreeing believer should not automatically be equated with a disOBedient believer. A believer’s disagreement may be real but it may be with you or me and not with God and His Word.

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The verse does not say "except they agree to walk together."

How can there be unity when one believes one thing and another believes something entirely different? 

Answer, there cannot be.  Amos 3:3 is speaking of likeminded people walking together.

I agree.

 

What fellowship does light have with darkness?

You cannot serve 2 masters.

etc. etc.

 

Websters defines Apostasy as:

1. renunciation or (abstention from, refraining from, going without, giving up) of a religious faith
2. abandonment of a previous loyalty
 
However, in this case you're taking a Biblical principle and trying to make a word out of it. If you're off with the definition any at all then the word you use is wrong. In either case, by it's own definition, apostasy still does not define a loss of salvation's security. When you do this you're trying to overrun God's way of doing things with man's way of thinking.

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Paid4: If we are both believers, sealed, redeemed, paid for, eternally secure, purchased, adopted, etc. and we disagree on an issue, we are called to separate?

Can we agree to disagree and yet agree to walk together in some measure in the work of God and in the enjoyment of brotherly fellowship and rejoice at what God is doing in the lives and ministries of others without becoming their critics? One true measure of our understanding of biblical separation may not be how quickly and how often and from how many we will separate, but with how many we will agree to walk together in true OBedience and genuine fellowship in spite of our disagreements. Demand agreement and you will find yourself exceedingly lonely and defensive. Seek OBedience and fellowship in biblical unity and your circle of faithful co-laborers in the gospel may increase. We should practice biblical separation when it is clearly a question of unbelief or disOBedience to Scripture. Yet we should desire to enjoy unity and fellowship with those who love the Lord Jesus Christ and are following him.

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GS, the topic of this thread is on a major fundamental of the faith.  Someone who believes they can lose their salvation, like it is some cooperative work between them and God, as if God started it but it is up to us to finish it or keep it going, IS NOT SAVED in my opinion.  We are not talking about disagreements over minor details of church doctrine or government (like how often should communion be OBserved and is it to be open, close or closed) we are talking about fellowship with an unsaved person.  We are not to walk with them.  

 

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Can we agree to disagree and yet agree to walk together in some measure in the work of God and in the enjoyment of brotherly fellowship and rejoice at what God is doing in the lives and ministries of others without becoming their critics? One true measure of our understanding of biblical separation may not be how quickly and how often and from how many we will separate, but with how many we will agree to walk together in true OBedience and genuine fellowship in spite of our disagreements. Demand agreement and you will find yourself exceedingly lonely and defensive. Seek OBedience and fellowship in biblical unity and your circle of faithful co-laborers in the gospel may increase. We should practice biblical separation when it is clearly a question of unbelief or disOBedience to Scripture. Yet we should desire to enjoy unity and fellowship with those who love the Lord Jesus Christ and are following him.

But is one following Christ when one teaches untruth?  Nope.  There is no true OBedience when one walks with another who is teaching wrong doctrine.  Case in point would be eternal security. If one teaches contrary to scripture, that is wrong doctrine.  The Bible tells us clearly that "evil communications corrupt good manners."  And that would be whether one is saved or lost.  

 

There is no cornerstone for unity if one teaches that one can lose salvation.  There is a difference in being friendly and walking together.  I cannot be a co-laborer with someone who believes Christians can lose salvation. Neither can anyone else who walks according to scripture.  It may be lonely (I am very unlonely as I co-labor for Christ in my church, believe me!), but we are to please God, not others nor even ourselves.

 

I just dealt this past Sunday with a young lady who is so confused about salvation because she was taught - for years -she could lose it.  Poor young mother cannot teach her children truth because she doesn't know it. She has no peace because she is in constant fear of going to Hell because she knows she's a sinner and cannot keep herself saved.  There is no way I will walk with or co-labor with those who messed her up spiritually.  Guaranteed.

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How did my seeking out understanding of scripture with other believers arrive at a conclusion that I am promoting anything? Where is the heresy in wanting sound, Biblical advice from other seasoned believers? Did I make a mistake in doing that? I have a choice to take it or leave it and I also have an OBligation to allow the Holy Spirit to guide me and help me to truth and understanding, which I will do. I admit I have trouble sometimes with passages as we all do but that doesn't mean I am trying to be heretical or promoting false doctrine. Now you are being hurtful and not helpful.

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FTR , GS, I don't think you are promoting ecumenicism. And you are welcome to ask questions and try to clarify.  That's what I thought all along that you are doing. 

 

Ecumenicism, though, teaches that we all ought to get along no matter what we believe; that we don't want to offend someone by taking too firm a stand.

 

SFIC - I don't think she's promoting anything - least of all losing one's salvation (she has been clear that she believes in eternal security), to be quite honest.  I think she's seeking to understand and dovetail scripture. Let's not accuse, ok.  She's actually bringing up some good points that can be thorny especially for new Christians.

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I will put in one last comment from the scriptures.  IF someone could indeed lose their salvation, he is absolutely doomed to hell, with no redemption possible.  He would have to crucify Christ afresh.

 

Hebrews 6:4-6 (KJV)
4  For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5  And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6  If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. 

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SFIC - I don't think she's promoting anything - least of all losing one's salvation (she has been clear that she believes in eternal security), to be quite honest.  I think she's seeking to understand and dovetail scripture. Let's not accuse, ok.  She's actually bringing up some good points that can be thorny especially for new Christians.

Perhaps you missed post #75, where GS said,

What about Col 2:1? "Beware" lest any man spoil you...

The letter is to the saints and faithful brethren in Christ not to unbelievers.

Col 1:23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard...

Paul is talking to believers, telling them they are reconciled then says "if ye continue in the faith. You have to continue in the faith and not be moved away from the hope...then in Ch 2 tells them to beware because they could be spoiled.

If this can't happen, why the warnings? They're all over scripture.

Guys...or anyone reading. I am sincerely trying to understand.

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I will put in one last comment from the scriptures.  IF someone could indeed lose their salvation, he is absolutely doomed to hell, with no redemption possible.  He would have to crucify Christ afresh.

 

Hebrews 6:4-6 (KJV)
4  For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5  And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6  If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. 

Right.  But notice in verse 6, the word "if".  It does not say "when," but "if"  That one little word makes a big difference in the doctrine.

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It is a serious thing to say if someone is or is not saved. If we are unsure, then we should be praying for that person, asking God to work in that person's life and ask God to give us wisdom.

God's relationship with every individual is absolutely unique to that individual. And since we can't see behind the scenes what the Holy Spirit is doing in a person's life, I will refrain from labeling other professing Christians saved or unsaved. It is not my jOB.

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