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  1. 1. How many rivers flowed out of Eden?

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I see one voter said one river.

Interesting.  But, is it the right answer?  Maybe not.

Genesis 2:10 And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads.

Yes, the text says a river went out of Eden.  But what was the purpose of the river going out?

To water the garden.

But wait!  Wasn't the garden INSIDE Eden?

Genesis 2:8 And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.

Yes, the garden in Eden.  Now, look at vers 10 again

Genesis 2:10 And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads.

From thence?  Where is thence referring to? 

Outside of Eden? or from the point the river flowed to; i.e., the garden?

I believe it separated into the four heads; Pison, Gihon, Hiddekel & Euphrates at the garden.

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I see one voter said one river.

Interesting.  But, is it the right answer?  Maybe not.

Genesis 2:10 And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads.

Yes, the text says a river went out of Eden.  But what was the purpose of the river going out?

To water the garden.

But wait!  Wasn't the garden INSIDE Eden?

Genesis 2:8 And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.

Yes, the garden in Eden.  Now, look at vers 10 again

Genesis 2:10 And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads.

From thence?  Where is thence referring to? 

Outside of Eden? or from the point the river flowed to; i.e., the garden?

I believe it separated into the four heads; Pison, Gihon, Hiddekel & Euphrates at the garden.

Some believe that Eden was a Name that God called the Earth.  And that is why it can go out of Eden and water the garden.  Garden of Eden still does not indicate the name of the Garden is Eden.  But Ezk 28 makes it sound like the name was Eden or at least Lucifer was in Eden the garden of God.

 

In Asia they have Eden Cheese. 

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"flowing out of the earth" like a spring of water coming "out of the earth".

Scientists have recently discovered massive amounts of water deep in the earth ("fountains of the deep").

 

Remember, there was no rain at that time, so the rain/snow falling on mountains then melting and running down

into streams and rivers system was not in existence.

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The more I've thought on this, my view is...

 

The river originated in Eden; it flowed through Eden and also watered the garden (the river's purpose) which was located in Eden. Somewhere past the garden (from thence), it separated into 4 heads. Whether those 4 heads were still within Eden, I haven't come to a conclusion though.

 

Not saying I'm right... :icon_confused:

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Some believe that Eden was a Name that God called the Earth.  And that is why it can go out of Eden and water the garden.  Garden of Eden still does not indicate the name of the Garden is Eden.  But Ezk 28 makes it sound like the name was Eden or at least Lucifer was in Eden the garden of God.

 

In Asia they have Eden Cheese. 

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Many think the garden WAS Eden...I used to think that as a child. I personally believe that Eden was an area on Earth. To call the garden "the garden of Eden" is fine...that's what the Bible calls it...

 

Genesis 2:15
And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.

 

Genesis 3:23-24
  23   Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.
  24   So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

 

Ezekiel 36:35
And they shall say, This land that was desolate is become like the garden of Eden; and the waste and desolate and ruined cities are become fenced, and are inhabited.

 

Joel 2:3
A fire devoureth before them; and behind them a flame burneth: the land is as the garden of Eden before them, and behind them a desolate wilderness; yea, and nothing shall escape them.

 

 

"flowing out of the earth" like a spring of water coming "out of the earth".

Scientists have recently discovered massive amounts of water deep in the earth ("fountains of the deep").

 

Remember, there was no rain at that time, so the rain/snow falling on mountains then melting and running down

into streams and rivers system was not in existence.

 

Interesting. That's true; there was no hydrologic cycle as we know it today. However, there definitely was a river system...we know of this one that parted into 4 others. Where that water flowed to remains a mystery, but the water that fed "the river" had to have come from the ground, and perhaps either returned to the aquifer or flowed into the sea. So there was a river system of some sort. 

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Ezekiel 28 tells us of Lucifer, "thou wast in Eden".  So we know that Eden was a place that one could inhabit at some time or another.


Genesis 3 tells us that God drove Adam and Eve out of Eden.  Again, this indicates that they were in Eden, or they could not have been driven out of Eden.  This also confirms to me that Eden could not have been the Earth.  Adam and Eve were not taken off the Earth to live on another planet and bear sons and daughters.  They remained on Earth.  So Eden could not have been Earth as a whole, but rather, a geographical location on Earth.

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I agree.

 

For some reason, there are some Christians today who buy into these "ancient astronaut" theories and try to tie these into Scripture.

 

There are so many theories, but when one compares Scripture with Scripture, the truth is there and that truth stands in stark contrast to these wild theories of our origins coming from aliens, God travelling around in a UFO, God creating a primordial soup and then leaving and letting that soup simmer until evolution took over, etc.

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It's pretty easy to figure out the area where Eden was... duh.

 

BTW, I firmly believe that the "motherload" of oil lays yet undiscovered beneath Babylon (aka: Iraq).

Now, India and China (and other countries) are desperately searching the world for crude oil,

and when it "gushes forth" from Babylon, the entire world will be provided with very very cheap petroleum.

You heard it here first folks.

 

Rev 17:5 Mystery Babylon the Great, the Mother of Harlots and Abominations of the Earth

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I believe that there was not rain until after he made man and placed him in the or shortly after Adam transgressed.  Because of what it says that there was no rain for there was no man to till the earth.

 

Gen 2:5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.

 

Cain was a tiller of the ground and so was Adam for God told him out of the sweat of thy brow will he eat bread.

 

Gen 3:18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;
 19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread
, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return
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But many believe that the first rains never came until after the flood. 

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Considering the fountains of the deep broke forth and the whole earth was covered in water, the topology of the whole would have been drastically changed since before the flood and there is now no possible way to say with certainty where the Garden was.

The flood changed everything.

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I agree.

 

For some reason, there are some Christians today who buy into these "ancient astronaut" theories and try to tie these into Scripture.

 

There are so many theories, but when one compares Scripture with Scripture, the truth is there and that truth stands in stark contrast to these wild theories of our origins coming from aliens, God travelling around in a UFO, God creating a primordial soup and then leaving and letting that soup simmer until evolution took over, etc.

Ever see those ancient astronaut pictures from south America where they are laying back in what they try to make you think is an ancient space craft.  Well those were not astronauts they depictions of the priest of those temples star gazing, they were recording the stars and mapping the heavens and the movement of the sun, moon and stars.

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What's amazing is how these ancient astronaut folks try to tell us what certain carvings and artwork are and just how many people instantly accept that without actually taking a look at the whole. When looked at OBjectively it's usually pretty clear we are looking at a pagan priest studying the stars, priests or leaders dressed in their tribal masks and similar easily explainable things.

 

The fact many of these pagan peoples claimed to be descended from the stars, or God, or gods; and that some of their rulers claimed to be divine themselves, in no way even suggests that they were in contact with "ancient astronauts", let along offers proof.

 

When considered in light of Scripture, it's clear that after the Lord scattered people they carried with them what they remembered of God, what He had revealed to them up to that time and some aspects of history in relation to that. Over time as the people moved away from God they lost touch with the facts and filled stories in with their own inventions. This is why around the world there are so many creation stories and flood stories which are similar to that which we read of in Scripture.

 

Most believe, and if the rivers we know of are still those rivers, that Eden was located somewhere in Mesopotamia, prOBably around the area of modern Iraq. Yet as David pointed out above, since the flood wiped out Eden and changed much of the topography of the whole earth, we can't know for certain.

 

As to oil and such, America has huge, untapped oil reserves which they have estimated could fully fuel the nation for like 400 years. Typically they greatly underestimate the amount of oil so there may be even much more oil there than the believe.

 

There are also great oil reserves in Russia, which if made readily accessible could offer fuel for centuries too.

 

Returning to the Middle East, there is already vast oil reserves known there and oil prices could be cheap tomorrow if those nations were to go into full production. However, they like hundred dollar a barrel oil so they purposefully keep oil production at a pace which will keep prices up. While a major new oilfield find, once online, might drop prices some, it's more likely the OPEC nations would work out a production plan that would keep prices high in order to add to their already vast wealth stockpiles.

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It's pretty easy to figure out the area where Eden was... duh.

 

BTW, I firmly believe that the "motherload" of oil lays yet undiscovered beneath Babylon (aka: Iraq).

Now, India and China (and other countries) are desperately searching the world for crude oil,

and when it "gushes forth" from Babylon, the entire world will be provided with very very cheap petroleum.

You heard it here first folks.

 

Rev 17:5 Mystery Babylon the Great, the Mother of Harlots and Abominations of the Earth

I have to disagree!!!

The motherload of oil is not beneath Iraq.

 

 

 

 

It's under my Toyota!  lol.

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