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      Psalms 119:1-8                                         Sep. 5 - Oct. 2, 2019
      1 ALEPH. Blessed are the undefiled in the way, who walk in the law of the LORD.
      2 Blessed are they that keep his testimonies, and that seek him with the whole heart.
      3 They also do no iniquity: they walk in his ways.
      4 Thou hast commanded us to keep thy precepts diligently.
      5 O that my ways were directed to keep thy statutes!
      6 Then shall I not be ashamed, when I have respect unto all thy commandments.
      7 I will praise thee with uprightness of heart, when I shall have learned thy righteous judgments.
      8 I will keep thy statutes: O forsake me not utterly.
      The following verse stood out to me...
      5 O that my ways were directed to keep thy statutes!
      At first glance it seemed to me this person’s soul is poured out with intense desire to have God’s direction in keeping His Word.
      I made a small wood fire in our backyard for my granddaughter, Julia, since she would be staying overnight with us. My wife and Julia stayed outside at the fire for about half an hour. Then, I found myself alone to watch the fire die out on a particularly lovely evening. So I took my verse from above and began to repeat it for memorization. As I repeated the verse, I tried to contemplate the words and apply them to what I was seeing around me. 
      The moon and stars were out now peering through the scattered clouds above.
      [Genesis 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. Genesis 1:17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, Genesis 1:18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.]
      Thought 1         
      The moon has stayed his course since the day God created him, also the stars, obeying the statutes directed by God from the first day they were created. Can you imagine God’s direction to the Moon and stars, “moon you will have a path through the sky above the earth, stars you will occupy the firmament above the moon and be clearly visible in the cloudless night sky.”
      Then, the trees, grass, even the air we breathe obey the statues God gave them from the beginning. None of these creations have souls, none have hearts, none have intelligence, but they all observe God’s statutes, His instructions for their limited time on earth.
      Thought 2
      What if we were like the moon, stars, trees, grass, or the other creations which have no soul? We would be directed to keep God’s statutes without choosing to keep them. This is not the image of God, there would be no dominion over other creatures, or over the earth. We would not be capable of experiencing the joy and peace of learning the love of God
      Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
      Philippians 4:7 And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.
      Thought 3 (October 2, 2019)
      Is the psalmist pleading God to force God’s statutes to become the man’s ways? No, he is speaking of his own failure in keeping God’s statutes and his desire to keep them, very much like Paul in Romans 7:14-25.
      God doesn’t work through force to turn men from their ways that they would desire His statutes or desire God Himself. Men must reject (repent) put aside his own ways and voluntarily seek God and His statutes.

Original Sin/the Sin Nature

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We also had a pet crow once. This was back when the Bee-hive hairdo was popular for women. Well lo and behold, my cousins came for a visit, and that ol' crow was sitting on the rail of our front porch. My aunt got out of the car and started walking toward the house...and that crow made a bee-line for the Bee-hive...and landed right on top of her hairdo. 

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Now, it is not always easy to determine where temptation ends and sin starts. But temptation is not sin. But I believe most people believe that the fact we all get tempted is a sin nature. No, that is the flesh. The flesh simply lusts for whatever pleases it, it cannot choose what it wants. That is not sin. Sin is when we OBey it when it would transgress God's law.

 

Right, but saying that temptation is not a 'sin nature' because temptation is not itself sin relies on a definition of 'sin nature' that goes something like 'people have desires for things that are sinful and this is itself sinful'. I'm asking if you and others think that is what the doctrine of original sin proposes and/or what you think the term means. Because if all folk mean by the term is something like 'propensity to commit sin', then establishing that having the propensity isn't itself sinful is neither here nor there. I think it would be good if folk (not just Winman) defined very clearly what they mean by 'sin nature' because it sounds to me like different definitions are being discussed all at once.

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Much appreciated postings. When I was very young I had a small turtle. Someone set the turtle shelter (or whatever it was called, his little living environment...a round thing which held water and had an "island" in it with a fake palm tree) on top of the TV and the turtle died. That was back in the 60s when TVs were filled with vacuum tubes and the sets got hot. We think we accidently overheated the turtle and that brought about his demise.

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Winman ( Win Man hmmmmm.I wonder how he came up with that moniker.) is a very clever fellow.  He has a well laid out presentation complete with graphics and videos. 

It's almost, sort of, like an infomercial, don't ya think.  How long and how many places, I wonder, has he gone through all this well laid out stuff. 

 

Ahh, forget it, just sitting here letting my imagination run wild.

 

God bless,

Larry

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That's what infomercials do; they play upon the imagination. This leads to thoughts of, "Well, I keep hearing this, maybe it really is something I should buy".

 

As our pastor tells us, turn that stuff off! If it's really something we need, we should already know we need it, we don't need to be told the same thing over and over again for a half hour or hour in order for us to suddenly realize we need something.

 

Put down the credit card, lay aside the check book, this widget isn't what is claimed and it's not something you need.

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"Sin nature" - the natural inclination to yield to sinful desires.  It is wired into our fleshly bodies.  If we had no sin nature, it would be impossible for us to be tempted to sin.

Did Adam and Eve have a sin nature when they were tempted in the Garden?

Did Jesus Christ have a sin nature when he was tempted in the desert.

 

did you really just say we have to have a sin nature to be tempted to sin.

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Did Adam and Eve have a sin nature when they were tempted in the Garden?

Did Jesus Christ have a sin nature when he was tempted in the desert.

 

did you really just say we have to have a sin nature to be tempted to sin.

 

Jordan, could you define what you mean when you say 'sin nature'?

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"Sin nature" - the natural inclination to yield to sinful desires.  It is wired into our fleshly bodies.  If we had no sin nature, it would be impossible for us to be tempted to sin.

 

SFIC, so a 'sin nature' does not mean having sinful desires, it means a propensity to yield to those sinful desires. Is that what you mean?

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SFIC, so a 'sin nature' does not mean having sinful desires, it means a propensity to yield to those sinful desires. Is that what you mean?

When I say sin nature, I mean nature that is inclined toward sin that causes us to gravitate toward sin.

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When I say sin nature, I mean nature that is inclined toward sin that causes us to gravitate toward sin.

 
Ok, and you believe that a person can be 'tempted' to sin without being inclined toward that sin? Is that right? I ask this because you appear to imply such in your question to SFIC:
 
"did you really just say we have to have a sin nature to be tempted to sin."

 

Is an 'inclination toward sin' a different thing to having desires towards sinful things and/or having temptations to sin?

 

You also asked whether SFIC thinks Jesus had a sin nature (defined by you as 'nature that is inclined toward sin') when he was tempted in the desert. Winman's response to this question earlier was to say that Jesus had 'desires that tempt(ed)' him to sin, but that such is not the same thing as having a sin nature. Would you agree with him on that?

 

"If having desires that tempt us is a sin nature, then Jesus had a sin nature. He was tempted in ALL POINTS (think about that one for a minute) as we are, yet without sin."

 

Again, just trying to get to the bottom of what folk actually mean when they use the term...

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