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      Psalms 119:1-8                                         Sep. 5 - Oct. 2, 2019
      1 ALEPH. Blessed are the undefiled in the way, who walk in the law of the LORD.
      2 Blessed are they that keep his testimonies, and that seek him with the whole heart.
      3 They also do no iniquity: they walk in his ways.
      4 Thou hast commanded us to keep thy precepts diligently.
      5 O that my ways were directed to keep thy statutes!
      6 Then shall I not be ashamed, when I have respect unto all thy commandments.
      7 I will praise thee with uprightness of heart, when I shall have learned thy righteous judgments.
      8 I will keep thy statutes: O forsake me not utterly.
      The following verse stood out to me...
      5 O that my ways were directed to keep thy statutes!
      At first glance it seemed to me this person’s soul is poured out with intense desire to have God’s direction in keeping His Word.
      I made a small wood fire in our backyard for my granddaughter, Julia, since she would be staying overnight with us. My wife and Julia stayed outside at the fire for about half an hour. Then, I found myself alone to watch the fire die out on a particularly lovely evening. So I took my verse from above and began to repeat it for memorization. As I repeated the verse, I tried to contemplate the words and apply them to what I was seeing around me. 
      The moon and stars were out now peering through the scattered clouds above.
      [Genesis 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. Genesis 1:17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, Genesis 1:18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.]
      Thought 1         
      The moon has stayed his course since the day God created him, also the stars, obeying the statutes directed by God from the first day they were created. Can you imagine God’s direction to the Moon and stars, “moon you will have a path through the sky above the earth, stars you will occupy the firmament above the moon and be clearly visible in the cloudless night sky.”
      Then, the trees, grass, even the air we breathe obey the statues God gave them from the beginning. None of these creations have souls, none have hearts, none have intelligence, but they all observe God’s statutes, His instructions for their limited time on earth.
      Thought 2
      What if we were like the moon, stars, trees, grass, or the other creations which have no soul? We would be directed to keep God’s statutes without choosing to keep them. This is not the image of God, there would be no dominion over other creatures, or over the earth. We would not be capable of experiencing the joy and peace of learning the love of God
      Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
      Philippians 4:7 And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.
      Thought 3 (October 2, 2019)
      Is the psalmist pleading God to force God’s statutes to become the man’s ways? No, he is speaking of his own failure in keeping God’s statutes and his desire to keep them, very much like Paul in Romans 7:14-25.
      God doesn’t work through force to turn men from their ways that they would desire His statutes or desire God Himself. Men must reject (repent) put aside his own ways and voluntarily seek God and His statutes.

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When I moved from my hometown to where I'm at today it took a lot of searching before I found a IFBC  when I found one I did not know it had lost it's pastor and had hired a new one which was part of the new evangelical movement 5 years later the church was destroyed and I was looking for another church  there's a lot of the same church's here and I'm not going to join one just to be in church . I did find one about 35 miles from my house but I have not joined because it's an IBC and they use more then bible ( I'm KJO) and I disagree with some of the doctrines taught . l've tried to be a good witness to a lot of it's members but lately things are getting as I have seen before in my last church and it wont be long and CCM will creeping in the doors .

 

I was a Youth Pastor for 20 years until God called me into the evangelist ministry and the mission fields for 7 years and now God is calling me back into the youth ministry but this time I will be starting a church with the youth in our town just recently we had our first meeting and had 35 youth attend a lot of them where young adults whom I taught for many years ( how great the rewards ) whom are born again christian's  IFB we don't have a place to meet regular yet but we are seeking God in prayer daily to bless the ministry for His Glory.

 

We are all called into the ministry and if we can't find a church there is always a need for a new one to be started '' Many times I have taught that On Our Knees God Will Lead "  seeking God Daily in Prayer is our power to do all things in Him for His Glory.

Today Many church's a falling away and It's getting harder to find one that hasn't become worldly and my friend you are in my prayers that God will direct your way to find the right church.

 

Praying

God bless 

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When I moved from my hometown to where I'm at today it took a lot of searching before I found a IFBC  when I found one I did not know it had lost it's pastor and had hired a new one which was part of the new evangelical movement 5 years later the church was destroyed and I was looking for another church  there's a lot of the same church's here and I'm not going to join one just to be in church . I did find one about 35 miles from my house but I have not joined because it's an IBC and they use more then bible ( I'm KJO) and I disagree with some of the doctrines taught . l've tried to be a good witness to a lot of it's members but lately things are getting as I have seen before in my last church and it wont be long and CCM will creeping in the doors .

 

I was a Youth Pastor for 20 years until God called me into the evangelist ministry and the mission fields for 7 years and now God is calling me back into the youth ministry but this time I will be starting a church with the youth in our town just recently we had our first meeting and had 35 youth attend a lot of them where young adults whom I taught for many years ( how great the rewards ) whom are born again christian's  IFB we don't have a place to meet regular yet but we are seeking God in prayer daily to bless the ministry for His Glory.

 

We are all called into the ministry and if we can't find a church there is always a need for a new one to be started '' Many times I have taught that On Our Knees God Will Lead "  seeking God Daily in Prayer is our power to do all things in Him for His Glory.

Today Many church's a falling away and It's getting harder to find one that hasn't become worldly and my friend you are in my prayers that God will direct your way to find the right church.

 

Praying

God bless 

Agreed, Brother EK! I always say, if there isn't one nearby, get started on a new one. Even if a person does not believe themself 'called' into ministry, they can always start a work, and pray for a pastor to come to lead. But I have known some outstanding, godly, Spirit-filled pastors who didn't believe they were 'called', they just saw a need and sought to help fulfill it, and the Lord used them mightily. The attitude of "use me" by a Christian can find them in many amazing places and situations they may not feel called to, but the way I see it, God may not have to 'call' if one is ready to go already! He just opens a door, and we are ready to pass through without any more invitation.

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GS - my folks were in almost the same predicament as you describe. Except that there was a church in their town that billed itself as IFB.  They attended there for a while, but there were things that just weren't right...so they left.  After a while, they went back, having tried a number of other churches in surrounding areas.  But the prOBlems were still there and they became pretty glaring.  So they just stopped going to church.  Not a good thing. They did listen to Adrian Rogers every Sunday (and for an SBC, he was pretty biblical!), but that isn't the same at all.

 

One time when I was there to help my mom after a serious surgery, I saw a sign for a church when my Dad was taking me to the ferry to head back to Seattle and then home.  When I got home, I did a search and found a church about 40 minutes away from them.  We were heading up there for a visit two months later, and visited the church.  It became my parents' home church and remains so to this day. My Dad has gone on to Glory, and, sadly (well, sad for the people), so has the pastor.  My Mom still attends and we are all praying that God will send the man He would have pastor them now. 

 

It is sometimes necessary to go outside one's area to find the right church.  If it is at all possible to host a church in one's home and try to get a work started (as has been suggested), that's great, too...we can never have too many good, biblical churches.

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Why not start one?  There is a need in that area. Find a pastor, 2 or 3 members and hammer out a article of faith or church beliefs constitution.

 

Let us know how it turns out.

 

Whatever you do, don't rely on TV or radio or computer.

The local assembly is where to be.

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Why not start one?  There is a need in that area. Find a pastor, 2 or 3 members and hammer out a article of faith or church beliefs constitution.

 

Let us know how it turns out.

 

Whatever you do, don't rely on TV or radio or computer.

The local assembly is where to be.

How does one go about finding a pastor?

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There are some pastors out there that their ministry is starting churches.

I would start with a credible (Biblically Correct) seminary school and find new graduates.

Word of mouth, ask other pastors if they know anyone.

Some churches put out ads in the papers and magazines.

Sadly most churches when searching for a pastor will send a member to another church and if the pastor does a good jOB then they approach him afterwards with an offer to come to their church. That seems hurtful and decieving but it's how a lot of churches do it these days.

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I was in the same situation when I first moved to Oregon.  There are extremely few IFB churches in Oregon and there were none in the Eugene/Springfield area.  I was forced to attend a Southern Baptist Church in Eugene that was definitely a "Laodocian" church and very lukewarm.  There were 3 other families though that attended that were of like mind and faith and seeking an IFB church.  We started meeting at each others houses every Saturday for bible study.  We also took up an offering each week to put towards the possibility of becoming a church some day.  After about a year we had grown to 30 people and had raised $20,000 and we then made it known to other IFB churches that we were officially seeking a Pastor to take our group and make a church.  Thus was born, Mt. Pisgah Baptist Church in Springfield, OR. under Pastor Nick Gillaspie.  

 

Bro. Garry

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I was in the same situation when I first moved to Oregon.  There are extremely few IFB churches in Oregon and there were none in the Eugene/Springfield area.  I was forced to attend a Southern Baptist Church in Eugene that was definitely a "Laodocian" church and very lukewarm.  There were 3 other families though that attended that were of like mind and faith and seeking an IFB church.  We started meeting at each others houses every Saturday for bible study.  We also took up an offering each week to put towards the possibility of becoming a church some day.  After about a year we had grown to 30 people and had raised $20,000 and we then made it known to other IFB churches that we were officially seeking a Pastor to take our group and make a church.  Thus was born, Mt. Pisgah Baptist Church in Springfield, OR. under Pastor Nick Gillaspie.  

 

Bro. Garry

I happened to find myself in southern Oregon one Sunday, and looking for a church in the phonebook, found "Conservative Baptist Church", which was, it turned out, anything but conservative OR Baptist-rock and roll, multiplicity of bible versions, passed out lesson plan with all the 'verses' printed for you, so no need for a Bible, since it couldn't be followed anyways, and, to top it all off, the quintessential sermon on...Loooove.  We stayed for the entire service, just so we could actually see these things for real, and take it out of theory for us. So, really we DID get something out of it, if only the confirmation that what we had been taught was not coloring outside the lines.

 

Recently I was in the tiny town of Sheridan, I believe, near McMinnville,  and I saw there was an IFB church there, though I was not there when I could attend, so I can't verify whether it was really IFB or not.

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Mike, your description of that church sounds much like about a third of the IFB churches in this area now. Unfortunately, most of the rest aren't too far behind in reaching that level of straying.

 

A few smaller IFB churches elsewhere were having trouble trying to find a good pastor because it seemed the better IFB pastors already had churches and those in the looking for a church were looking for bigger churches with bigger pay.

 

One of the reasons at least a couple of the area IFB churches took turns for the worse was because their old pastors died or had to retire for health reasons. At that point they discovered a very limited pool of IFB pastors to even consider for small, middle of nowhere churches. A few of the younger pastors they looked into were willing to consider pastoring there but only if guaranteed a certain salary with built-in yearly increases.

 

It's really sad how many get into the ministry as a career rather than a calling. Then along with all those who think they deserve a large salary with benefits regardless of the financial strength of the church, there are those who are only interested in doing the minimum necessary to get and maintain their pastor position, those willing to compromise on important matters in order to keep a board or the deacons or elders happy, and then there is always the prOBlem of those in the pastorate who are not even saved (which I think is still much less a prOBlem among IFBs than it is with others).

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The Bible says the believers of Christ are the church.  NOT a building that says "so and so (put in any denominations) church".

 

What you are looking for is not the church,  You are looking for, is a place where the church fellowships.

 

making the church a building, (an RC bring over by the reformation break aways along with the Christian flag), and calling it the house of God is unbiblical blasphemy of the biblical doctrine of the church.

 

I am the church, You are the church, NO building will ever be the church.

 

And finding a pastor, Pastors/Teachers is a gift to men but they are not necessarily the co-pastor of the church which Jesus is the true Pastor.  Elders were appointed over the church (people) in cities where they assembled.  Bishops were also among those that led, we are not sure where in the Bible they were commended to appoint but Paul said if a man desire the office of a bishop he desireth a good thing and they are connected to elders.  but pastors were never commanded or said in scriptures to be head over the church (people) in the cities where they met.

 

Study and you will see the things I say are true and you will see this is not my doctrine this is God's and it is ignored for the money grubbing belly serving men who want the respect of men and titles, more than the respect of God.

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Is there some way to advertise what you're looking for? Maybe there is already a group looking for the same thing you are. My son's church started out with a pastor and grew and is growing. The growth took a lot of work but has seen the Holy Spirit bring them in.

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Why have you found yourself in this spot?
Have the "good" churches in your area strayed? Have you moved into this area and found no good churches? Something else?

If you can drive to a decent church a ways away, that is prOBably your best option.

After some time they may be willing to start an outreach near you and grow it to another church - but this week?????

Look anywhere within driving distance and check them out. It sounds like a commitment to travel is where you are at.

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NOBody here is saying a building is the church.

the thread title is

Choosing A Church

 

and the topic going on are describing building and organizations not the true biblical doctrine of the church.

 

are you not seeing Dave statement of there are plenty of decent churches.  He is not =talking about people he is talking about an organization and a building,  Dont act so coy.

 

The more we keep calling the places of fellowship "the church" the more we promote the unbiblical doctrine of the roman Catholic church which says the building is the house of God.  Don't tell me you have never heard any pastor say welcome to the House of the Lord.  or some other misnomer.  Like aren't you happy to be in the house of the Lord today?

 

I have met plenty of people now seeing the falseness of this and other doctrines coming out of baptist, methodist and RC fellowships.  and because of it we are all meeting in a house and we are calling ourselves the church not the building.  We are free from Govt 501c, and other money grubbing men who see the church as a means to feed themselves and put money in their pockets.

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I think you are reading it wrong - I don't see anyone talking about a church building.
Of necessity a church must meet somewhere - you meet in homes. If someone is looking for your church what you tell them?
We meet at such and such an address.

Grace saved is looking for a church - not a church building.

There are a lot of people who talk about church and mean the building, that is true. But I don't think that is how this thread is speaking.

GS is looking for a church - an organized group of believers to fellowship with.

At least that's the way I am reading it. ;)

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